TenQ: Is it untrue that your Allah attests that this Torah was still with the Jews at the time of Mohammed?
It seems you never read or understand Quran 5
12 Allah made a covenant with the Children of Israel and appointed twelve leaders from among them and ˹then˺ said, “I am truly with you. If you establish prayer, pay alms-tax, believe in My messengers, support them, and lend to Allah a good loan, I will certainly forgive your sins and admit you into Gardens under which rivers flow. And whoever among you disbelieves afterwards has truly strayed from the Right Way.” (This verse is included to aid your understanding of the following hoping you concede that the Torah is amongst books given/sent to the israelites)
But for breaking their covenant We condemned them and hardened their hearts. They distorted the words of the Scripture and neglected a portion of what they had been commanded to uphold You ˹O Prophet˺ will always find deceit on their part, except for a few. But pardon them and bear with them. Indeed, Allah loves the good-doers.
Even within Numbers 14 you see mention of exemption of Caleb.
Is it untrue that Israelites and people often fall back to old sins and even add new ones?
TenQ: If you were half smart, you would have known that there is difference between forgiveness and freedom from consequence of sin. This is why a sacrifice is made for the whole of Israel (apart from individual sacrifices) at least once a year.
Thank you genius. When God forgives the consequence of the sin is not applied in the afterlife even if certain sins or wrong doing have physical effects that cannot be avoided or reversed.
TenQ: Did you see them face the consequence of their even after forgiveness? There punishment was to be Disinheritance from God as a people. Numbers 14:11-12 Then the LORD said to Moses: “How long will these people reject Me? And how long will they not believe Me, with all the signs which I have performed among them? I will strike them with the pestilence and disinherit them, and I will make of you a nation greater and mightier than they.”
Numbers 14:23 they certainly shall not see the land of which I swore to their fathers, nor shall any of those who rejected Me see it. Numbers 14:29-30 New King James Version Numbers 14:29 The carcasses of you who have complained against Me shall fall in this wilderness, all of you who were numbered, according to your entire number,
For which Sin did Moses pray for forgiveness for? Did they not commit other sins after? Did he let them fall back to Egyptian captivity? Why is Caleb exempted according to your bible?
TenQ: Another proof that Allah is not YAHWEH (It is a big LIE by the Al-Makr that him and our God is the same)
And Allah gave a childish argument Quran 5:18 The Jews and the Christians each say, “We are the children of Allah and His most beloved!” Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “Why then does He punish you for your sins? No! You are only humans like others of His Own making. He forgives whoever He wills and punishes whoever He wills. To Allah ˹alone˺ belongs the kingdom of the heavens and the earth and everything in between. And to Him is the final return.”
As a father, is it wisdom that you never punish or discipline your children!?
Funny you have repeatedly stated in our discussions that Allah is not Yahweh and I have ignored it since I never say Yahweh and Allah are the same.
Proverbs 13:24, states “He who spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him disciplines him diligently.
You also fail to comprehend that the relationship between Allah and mankind is not of father and child as embedded in your belief.
I have explained consequence of sin and how a forgiven sin isn't punished in the afterlife despite a physical consequence in the earthy life early on in this reply.
TenQ: Is Clay Adam? Did Allah claim he created Adam or the Clay by Be?
After you discuss the two right hands of Allah and his shin and his shape shifting
Is it untrue that I have given you evidences from the Bible where Jesus have siblings.
Fundamentally without the command of Allah will the clay be a living human Adam?
The evidence of Jesus having siblings is not specifically showing they are children born by Mary his mother. Do you not understand that?
TenQ: Sometimes you feign of stupidity is amazing: Only a dumb Christian will ask a muslim how and when Muhammed was born by his mother!
Enough of this so that I can open your new Thread for you on the Sanaa and Warsh manuscripts
There's ample literature about Muhammad pbuh's birth. We do not any where make reference to him having any biological siblings you have submitted that Jesus has these and I ask you to show inevitable proof of this.
I see you edit your argument to Sana'a and warsh no more mention of hafs. Well it's well over time.
Ohyoudidnt: Can you 'intelligently' draw out the differences between the Sana manuscript and the modern Quran so we can evaluate the actual difference in the messages they pass?
I hope you will not run away or divert as clearly there is a difference between 3300 and 3600 in number can you show something similar or equal in these scripts?
I believe you now properly understand the conceptual translation to may in statements regarding Allah forgiving sins.
AntiisIam: You've come again oo, I said leave Presbyterian and Protestant churches alone, we in Christendom do cast out demons. Tell us how you cast out demons in islam, you turn demons to treatment you can cast out boya by taking drugs. Mofo fun e aswear
It is only in islam camel urine is regarded as your healing medicine.. According to WHO, the Use of camel urine is of no benefit, the use of camel urine as a medicine lacks scientific evidence so stop deceiving yourself guy. Nevertheless, call the below number to order for your own camel urine, fresh and hot so that you'll stop drinking the expired camel urine
Glad you admit that in Christianity you cast out demons essentially treating victims of their affliction with demons even if you call it demonic curses.
Jesus Heals a Demon-Possessed Boy 14 When they returned to the other disciples, they saw a large crowd surrounding them, and some teachers of religious law were arguing with them. 15 When the crowd saw Jesus, they were overwhelmed with awe, and they ran to greet him.
16 “What is all this arguing about?” Jesus asked.
17 One of the men in the crowd spoke up and said, “Teacher, I brought my son so you could heal him. He is possessed by an evil spirit that won’t let him talk. 18 And whenever this spirit seizes him, it throws him violently to the ground. Then he foams at the mouth and grinds his teeth and becomes rigid.[a] So I asked your disciples to cast out the evil spirit, but they couldn’t do it.”
19 Jesus said to them, “You faithless people! How long must I be with you? How long must I put up with you? Bring the boy to me.”
20 So they brought the boy. But when the evil spirit saw Jesus, it threw the child into a violent convulsion, and he fell to the ground, writhing and foaming at the mouth.
Heal and treat are similar aren't they?
I rest my case.
The World Health Organization (WHO) plays a significant role in global health governance, [b]but it is not the sole authority on medical efficacy. The organization provides guidance, sets international health standards, and coordinates responses to public health emergencies. However, its recommendations are non-binding and must be interpreted and implemented by individual member states according to their own legal frameworks and public health policies.
The use of camel urine for treatment is deeply rooted in ancient practices within certain societies, particularly in the Middle East and parts of Africa. Despite claims suggesting it is a religiously prescribed treatment, it actually originates from cultural and traditional practices rather than religious beliefs.
In societies where camels hold cultural significance and are revered as a source of sustenance and healing; the use of camel urine for medicinal purposes is more closely associated with cultural beliefs and practices.
AntiisIam: Are you spiritual inclined or minded in islam, does islam believe in deliverance, can you cast out demons in islam, leave Presbyterian and Protestant churches alone and face your religion. Treatment to cast out demons, omo mofo fun e gan nii, boya na camel urine you wan talk say dey cast out demons who knows
Do you imply the group of Christians mentioned do not handle demonic possession in the manner expressed?
You indeed know the dislike orthodox medicine has for unorthodox methods however there anecdotal claims that cannot be totally disregarded.
TenQ: Why is Islam so problematic that it needs scores of scholars to make any meaning out of it. Of all said, this is your response and deductions and you accuse me of not even making enough effort at engaging informative discussion. LOL!
I can only shake may head in amazement.
Let me narrow down with you since you want to avoid speaking about your fabricated Qur'ans.
Is your point that Jesus doesn't have siblings?
Unfortunately, the Torah your prophet and Allah claims are from Allah are full of sacrifice for the forgiveness of sin.
Exo 29:14: "But the flesh of the bullock, and his skin, and his dung, shall you burn with fire without the camp: it is a sin offering."
Exo 30:10: "And Aaron shall make an atonement on the horns of it once in a year with the blood of the sin offering of atonements: once in the year shall he make atonement on it throughout your generations: it is most holy to the LORD."
Lev 4:3: "If the priest that is anointed do sin according to the sin of the people; then let him bring for his sin, which he has sinned, a young bullock without blemish to the LORD for a sin offering."
This is a proof that Allah is satan the misleader. The Al-Makr who Deceive with outright lies and half truth.
Did Allah give the Taurat to Moses
I guess I should remind you of the claim of the Al-Makr
Qur'an 5:44 "Indeed, We sent down the Torah, in which was guidance and light. The prophets who submitted [to Allah] judged by it for the Jews, as did the rabbis and scholars by that with which they were entrusted of the Scripture of Allah, and they were witnesses thereto..."
You are saying that Allah is the Babalawo requested Abraham to sacrifice his son for him. Afterwards, this Babalawo supplied a ram which was slaughtered as a sacrifice for him. SMH!
Muslims will repeat the same lies until they feel it has become true! SMH!
Just tell be if CLAY is BE or maybe it's moulding is the BE
Do you want to challenge me to open a new post for you exclusively to show you the differences between the Sanna Qur'an/Warsh Qur'an and the 1924 copy of the Qur'an from a fraud and liar called Hafs?
Was the Qur'an collected in the lifetime of your prophet? Was the Qur'an collected in the lifetime of Abubaker? Was the Qur'an collected in the lifetime of Uthman?
Are these recitations or written Qurans?
Indeed it seems you mix up and mistake the several council meetings/debates you had in Rome.
Moses received the original Torah and interceded/prayed for the forgiveness of Israelites in Numbers 14:17-20 without sacrifice and it was granted.
Haven shown you clearly how forgiveness is granted by the almighty God without sacrifice as he seeks sincerity and remorse for wrong doing you now wiggle away with inclination to new discourse?
Can you articulate in writing not videos the actual difference between the Sana'a scripts and present Quran or the wrong claim of multiple Quran?
But before you go there you should see where God forgives without need for sacrifice.
How was the clay created? How was the frame of man enlivened?
Do you diminish the might of your God to having hands just as yours in your confusion about speech made to enable your understanding? Please describe what the hands of God are like.
Pardon the disjoint in response as you don't keep focus on a line of discourse.
I say Jesus has no siblings given birth to by his sole mother Mary. Do provide verses saying when and how Mary gave birth to other children and stop these far reaching submissions.
TenQ: The questions were 1. Using Iblis as an example: Is it true that Allah sometimes gives commands that aren't executed? 2. How can Iblis undo his violation of Allah's command as it is in record that Allah sometimes gives commands that don't come to pass.
We can see that Allah is not sovereign in command and that his kunfayakun are sometimes not honoured. How can this be God?
You didn't say how Iblis can undo the violation of Allah's kunfayakun most likely because Allah's kunfayakun actually isn't worth anything.
Note: There is nowhere in the old testament where forgiveness for paradise was mentioned. It was always forgiveness against God's punishment here on earth. Only in the New Testament do we have forgiveness leading to paradise and redemption.
It is at least good that you acknowledge that Jesus do forgive sins.
Does any human being have the power to forgive sins?
Muslims can tell lies for Africa! The more he tells lies , the more he believes his own lies.
My questions were simple
I didn't ask you if Adam was miraculous or not. I asked you to show me where Adam was commanded to live in the Qur'an as you had insinuated. It is clear from the Qur'an (except if you admit that it is a contradiction) that Adam was not created by "BE". Is it UNTRUE that Adam was created from clay? Is Clay and Be the same thing?
Was Jesus created from be or by BLOWING into Mary's vulva?
Then you brought the concept of Jesus eating! What a terrible argument from the author of the Qur'an.
Do you not see that this is another proof that Allah is NOT Omnipotent?
Can Allah eat human food without ceasing to be God?
Are you sure about this? Because Moses wrote that YAHWEH created everything and not Allah?
Is Allah YAHWEH?
Secondly, If Allah created everything, surely he must remember the order how he created things 1. According to the Qur'an, Was the universe created by Allah in six days or eight days? 2. According to the Qur'an, was the earth created before the heavens or the heavens were created before the earth? 3. According to the Qur'an, were the heavens and the earth joined together as one before Allah separated them?
Here your kind of argument: Narrative about Mohammed was not corroborated in the Torah or Injeel
SMH!
Here is your logic again: Therefore, the account of the Gospels are not true but the account of Mohammed written 650 years after Jesus was miraculously true!
Muslims don't think.
Can you please tell me how many years after the death and resurrection of Christ was the book written?
Are you telling me that it is historically correct that Jesus father is a Roman soldier named Pandera and that Jesus was a sorcerer?
But Muslims have no iota of shame to even bring this up as an argument.
I do not need to give you any explanatory proof Matthew 12:46-47 Matthew 13:55-56 Mark 3:31-32 Mark 6:3 Galatians 1:19 Acts1:14
Does Jesus have brothers and sisters?
They do!
Don't you have over 30 Arabic Qur'ans?
Where is the copy of the Qur'an of Mohammed? Where is the copy of the Qur'an of Abubaker? Where is the copy of the Qur'an of Uthman?
How come you are using the Qur'an according to the recitation of a known Fraud (Hafs)?
Why is your present Quran different from the Sanna Qur'an?
Please don't go there. The Qur'an has been over corrupted!
The question was simple
1. According to Allah is Jesus a Word from Him or a Messanger who carries a word from him?
2. Why do you then call Jesus with the title Kalimatullah or Ruhullah ?
Copying the attributes of the God of the Jews and Christians does not make Allah God!
How can Allah who is neither Omnipotent nor Omniscient nor Omnipotent claim to be God?
You generally don't even make enough effort at engaging informative discussion.
Summarily though I can tell you that the verses you list about Mary having other children provides no evidence that she bore them. Is this not why you shy away from elaborating as you have no clear proof.
Sharing what you have written in your scripture does not translate to support or belief in it. The point is to show you that forgiveness is obtainable without sacrifice unlike your earlier claim that there must be atonement/sacrifice for sin to be forgiven.
TenQ: Unfortunately, you seem not to know that it is a spiritual law that Sin MUST be Punished and worse of all, you seem not to know the gravity of sin.
How do you atone / pay for your sin against God?
This is the reason why God allows a SUBSTITUTE or RANSOME for your Sin . This is the essence of Sacrifice for Sin.
Jesus is our Ransom from Hell Fire!
But, how can you be ransomed with the perfect sacrifice when Islam DENIES the crucifixion of Jesus Christ?
Simply God/Allah needs no sacrifice to forgive. What will he do with the sacrifice?
Is your god like the pagan gods that are said to be hungry by their priests/boka/babalawo?
Correct my view of the Christ since you claim I lie. You claim I lie but don't recognize my not being a Christian. It is usually heard that Christ Jesus or Jesus Christ will do things which other christ is there?
I show you Quran 3:59 with the command of Allah for Adam to be and you deny it?
You repeat your fallacy about a Quran copy given to the prophet when the Quran is a recitation/revelation not a handed over book.
How it came to be written is another discussion but for your wrong opinion of multiple Qurans you obviously know the truth and just like to be the broken record player on repeat.
TenQ: Indeed we serve different Gods and it should worry you because your prophet claimed that our God also is your God. They forgive differently don't they?
It seems that Allah seems to enjoy the filth of sin.
1. Using Iblis as an example: Is it true that Allah sometimes gives commands that aren't executed? 2. How can Iblis undo his violation of Allah's command as it is in record that Allah sometimes gives commands that don't come to pass.
Interesting that you appear oblivious of 1. Jonah 3: 8 But let people and animals be covered with sackcloth. Let everyone call urgently on God. Let them give up their evil ways and their violence. (sackcloth serves as a powerful symbol of repentance, humility, and mourning. The context of this verse reveals that the king of Nineveh commanded both people and animals to be covered with sackcloth as an outward expression of their inward contrition and desire for God’s mercy.)
9 Who knows? God may yet relent and with compassion turn from his fierce anger so that we will not perish.” 10 When God saw what they did and how they turned from their evil ways, he relented and did not bring on them the destruction he had threatened.
The sackcloth is often associated with rituals, however it's true meaning lies in the heart’s condition behind those rituals.
In Psalm 51:16-17; King David expresses that God does not desire sacrifices but rather a contrite heart.
“You do not delight in sacrifice, or I would bring it; you do not take pleasure in burnt offerings. My sacrifice, O God, is a broken spirit; a broken and contrite heart you, God, will not despise.”
This highlights that true repentance is more valuable than ritualistic sacrifices.
Mark 2:5: When Jesus sees the faith of those bringing a paralyzed man to Him, He says, “Son, your sins are forgiven.”
Where is the sacrifice here?
{1} As you labelled it.
Iblis was able to disobey Allah for several reasons that are deeply rooted in pride, arrogance, and a misunderstanding of his own nature compared to that of Adam.
You disregard the fact that Iblis is a jinn probably because you don't have clear description of this in the Bible. The Jinn like mankind have freewill which Allah or God in his own wisdom bestowed.
Iblis’s disobedience serves as a test for humanity. His role as tempter is integral in Islam; it provides humans with the opportunity to choose between obedience to Allah or succumbing to temptation.
Therein is where you find a problem with your slander that Muslims are slaves. Do slaves have a choice?
Do you mean that Jesus Christ is not unique as the Christ? Kindly tell me of other Christs with proper biblical reference.
TenQ: 1. Show me where Adam was commanded to live in the Qur'an? Just one place is enough. You enjoy manufacturing conjectures 2. "I am going to create human beings from clay" is NOT a command but a statement of intent. A command is an instruction "BE!" or "COME TO BE"!
Tell me one thing that Allah created solely by the command "BE"? It doesn't exist!
Adam is a miraculous individual that demonstrates the power and will of Allah. The command "Kunfayakun" which translates to "Be, and it is" is a divine decree by which Allah brings things into existence.
Allah says in Surah Al Imran, verse 59: Indeed, the example of Jesus to Allah is like that of Adam. He created him from dust; then He said to him, 'Be,' and he was."
This verse illustrates the divine command "Kunfayakun" as the method by which Allah created Adam from dust.
Jesus ate food and drank which is a character of bodies composed of earth. Remember too that even the clay was created by be.
TenQ: Tell me one thing that Allah created solely by the command "BE"? It doesn't exist!
Allah created all celestial bodies such as stars, planets, galaxies, light, darkness, water, and air.
TenQ: If they questioned the birth of Jesus , why wasn't she stoned according to the law of Moses?
Mary had other Children!
Narratives on the historical perspective surrounding the birth of Jesus as presented in the New Testament are not corroborated by contemporary Jewish texts or historical records from that time.
The Gospels of Matthew and Luke provide accounts of Jesus’ miraculous virgin birth, but these accounts were written decades after the events they describe.
Toledot Yeshu critiques of Christian claims regarding Jesus’ birth and an examination of Jewish societal values at the time. Through its narrative approach, it questions not only the legitimacy of Jesus’ origins but also reflects on how societal attitudes can shape historical outcomes.
Kindly provide explanatory proof of other children of Mary from the Bible and other sources.
TenQ: Another lie! Where have you ever heard me say that they are not Christians? The Catholics are no authorities against the scripture. Do you take your religion from Allah, Mohammed and the Sunnah OR from the Sunni or is it Shia Muslims?
Copying the God of the Jews and Christians does not make Allah God.
How can Allah who is neither Omnipotent nor Omniscient nor Omnipotent claim to be God?
It may be I confuse with some of your other 'brethren' will try find it in due course.
Do Catholics not use and follow the Bible?
What are you exactly saying?
Do the Sunni and Shia Muslims have different Quran? Is the Quran not the revelation from Allah?
TenQ: Copying the God of the Jews and Christians does not make Allah God.
How can Allah who is neither Omnipotent nor Omniscient nor Omnipotent claim to be God?
According to Allah is Jesus a Word from Him or a Messanger who carries a word from him?
Why do you then call Jesus with the title Kalimatullah or Ruhullah ?
Small questions is enough to expose your falsehoods. Muslims with lies to distort what their God Allah says.
You are aware that كَلِمَٰتٍ; kalimaatin, is plural for kalimah. Will you say Quran 2:37: Then Adam received from his Lord [some] words, and He accepted his repentance. Indeed, it is He who is the Accepting of repentance, the Merciful should be Then Adam received from his Lord [some] Jesuss (plural), and He accepted his repentance. Indeed, it is He who is the Accepting of repentance, the Merciful.
Perhaps you need to read and understand Quran 3:39 Allah gives you the good news of John, as a confirmer of a Word from (kalimatin min) God, eminent and chaste, a prophet, among the righteous.
It has been explained to you that spirit is a creation of Allah not an attribute of Allah. Why are you fixated on likening man to God when nothing can be compared or likened to him?
TenQ: When you absolutely fail to answer simple questions Let me ask you a simple question and I hope you will speak the truth If according to Qur'an 4:171, Jesus was 1. Allah's Word 2. A Spirit from Allah 3. The Messanger of Allah Did Jesus become the word of Allah , a Spirit from Allah and a Messanger of Allah AFTER He entered Mary's womb or BEFORE He entered Mary's womb?
Did Allah tell you that Mary's egg was used to form Jesus or that Allah or Jibril blew into Mary's private part his spirit?
Simple questions always defeats Islam
No sir! Where did you see the word command? The Qur'an simply says Allah's Word cast down to Mary
No sir. Even Adam wasn't created by any command!
Using your logic , A pig is a clean animal until it begins to grow up and eat junks.
You feigned deaf and dumb to the question:
Did Jesus become the word of Allah , a Spirit from Allah and a Messanger of Allah [b]AFTER He entered Mary's womb or BEFORE He entered Mary's womb?[/b]
Islam is so dumb? What sign?
Mary would have been stoned to death for Adultery (according to the law of Moses);if the Jews knew that Joseph wasn't the father of Jesus.
Which of the Jews was an evidence that Jesus was born Miraculously?
Melchizedek is a "type of Christ" !
I guess you may also need to tell us about Al-Khidr who seems to know the unseen with Allah
What is required for sins to be absolved is a sincere repentance and resolve not to do so again. It definitely is impossible to pay for forgiveness with anything.
Quran 39: 53. Say, “O My servants who have transgressed against themselves: do not despair of God’s mercy, for God forgives all sins. He is indeed the Forgiver, the Clement.”
54. And turn to your Lord, and submit to Him, before the retribution comes upon you. Then you will not be helped
I am amazed there are other Christ's you now claim your salvation is dependent on however is Christ not associated with crucifixion?
Was Melchizedek also crucified?
Melchizedek was not crucified; he is not depicted as having undergone any form of execution or death in the biblical texts. So how come you christ him?
Adam wasn't created by a command you say however he was commanded to live?
Allah created Adam from clay and breathed His spirit into him, giving him life. This creation is a demonstration of the power and will of Allah.
In Surah Sad, verse 71, Allah says when your Lord said to the angels, 'Indeed, I am going to create a human being from clay.'"
The speech to the angels is what? The saying or command?
Allah wills a thing to exist He says to it “Be!” (kun fayakun) and it comes into existence right away.
Do you say the Jews didn't question the birth of Jesus?
Does your Bible document any other children born by Mary despite her alleged marriage to Joseph?
The Catholics who you have said aren't Christian say Mary remained perpetually a virgin for her entire life.
I emboldened your only God knows severely repeated question and have answered you before.
Jesus is the command creation of Allah in whom his created spirit exist?
Is there any spirit not created by Allah/God?
The word of Allah is the manifestation of His infinite knowledge, wisdom, and power. This is seen in his creation and known in things not seen.
Jesus is a messenger from God and a word from Him, meaning that he carries a divine message and is part of God’s plan for humanity.
TenQ: Islam doesn't understand the seriousness of SIN. Let me explain it again
Sin is that that causes the Kunfayakun of God to FAIL!
Remove the Kunfayakun of God, He ceases to be God.
It is extremely serious if God says BE and it isn't It is extremely serious to violate Gods integrity.
The bible says that God made provision for this even before He created anything.
God created a creatures who He gave powers to say NO to His will and Command. BUT God also created a place called Hell for permanently and eternally discarding such individuals. Thus anyone who violates God's integrity is cut-off from Himself: this is what is called the lake of fire.
Let me ask you a question: When Allah commanded the angels to prostrate to Adam, was this command fulfilled by Iblis? But Allah is supposed to be the almighty king of the universe: If everyone decides not to obey any command of Allah with no consequence, would he remain the sovereign almighty?
Not every sacrifice is for sin in the bible. My emphasis was on God providing a ransom for Abraham's son
You did not commit sin with Adam nor did you play any role in it in paradise, how come you are here on earth (also driven out of paradise with Adam)?
Is this unjust by God?
Even according to the Qur'an, Jesus existed before entering into Mary.
Qur'an 4:171 O People of the Scripture! Do not exaggerate in your religion nor utter aught concerning Allah save the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of Allah, and His word which He cast down unto Mary, and a Spirit from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers, and say not "Three" - Cease! (it is) better for you! - Allah is only One Allah. Far is it removed from His Transcendent Majesty that He should have a son. His is all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allah is sufficient as Defender.
Let me ask you a simple question and I hope you will speak the truth If according to Qur'an 4:171, Jesus was 1. Allah's Word 2. A Spirit from Allah 3. The Messanger of Allah Did Jesus become the word of Allah , a Spirit from Allah and a Messanger of Allah AFTER He entered Mary's womb or BEFORE He entered Mary's womb?
Did Allah tell you that Mary's egg was used to form Jesus or that Allah or Jibril blew into Mary's private part his spirit?
Qur'an 66:12 And Mary the daughter of 'Imran, who guarded her chastity; and We breathed into (her body) of Our spirit; and she testified to the truth of the words of her Lord and of His Revelations, and was one of the devout (servants).
This should answer your question: is Jesus a direct descendant of Adam and Eve?
Repeating fundamentally the same line of questions would not change the answer.
Very much like doing the same thing over and over again hoping for a different result.
Is the word a command of Allah?
Is the whole of creation by the command of Allah and under his command?
A newly born child is pure and gets corrupted to various degree in course of growing up in the society.
Why isn't Jesus a direct descendant of Adam? Because he only has a father? Is the mother not a descendant of Adam or only the mother being the descendant makes him not a descendant anymore?
How many signs had been shown to mankind and the Israelites before that were rejected or denied?
Another sign is shown in a man being born without a father and you exaggerate that it's something much?
What have you found and can you then say of Melchizedek? Why don't you also promote his status?
TenQ: The excuse of Your definition 8 failed miserably sir because you must have both a REASON and a PURPOSE for definition 8 to hold
The purpsoes in Qur'an 48:2-3 are a. That Allâh may forgive you your sins of the past and the future, b. that Allâh may help you with strong help.
Can you show me the REASON for these PURPOSE from Quran 48:2-3? The above example show that your err sir. You are just clutching on straws which will not save you.
1. I used the word exact translation to convey the truthfulness of the translation which is different form some of your scholars translation. For instance, some of your scholars translated RUH as SOUL when even in context, the RUH should be SPIRIT. For example: Did Allah breathe of his SOUL into Adam?
2. You seem not to realise that Arabic and Hebrew are both similar Semitic languages: Thus how many times do we see Christians or Jews complaining of translation issues in their scripture? Muslims are deliberately mistranslating the words of Allah in order that it will agree with the consensus of your scholars. 3. Better words exist in Arabic to convey your preferred Islamic narrative if that was the objective of Allah. Are you saying that Allah was unaware of Arabic words like سوف (sawfa) or سَـ (sa) AND يجب أن (yajibu an)?
Exactly, if God MUST punish any violation of His Integrity, only a ransom will save us from the punishment of the Fire of Hell. What will be your ransom on that day Mr Ohyoudidnt?
Why do I quote the hadiths? Because, Your religion is not complete without the Hadith of Mohammed. Is it untrue that Allah command you in the Qur'an to obey both him and Mohammed?
Secondly, many times you even take the words of Mohammed even against and above the words of Allah.
Thirdly, Allah did not say there would be no ransom from the Fire of Hell. What Allah says is that he would not accept ANY ransom from disbelievers
Qur'an 57:15 So no ransom will be accepted of you on this day, or of those who refused to believe. Hell will be your refuge and the only friend -- and how evil a destination!"
Qur'an 5:36 As for unbelievers, if they possess the riches of the whole earth, and two times more, and offer it as ransom for release from the torments of the Day of Resurrection, it will not be accepted from them, and their punishment will surely be painful.
Qur'an 70:11 Though within sight of one another. The sinner would like to ransom himself from the torment of that Day by offering his sons
Qur'an 3:91 From those who deny and die disbelieving will never be accepted an earthful of gold if proferred by them as ransom. For them is grievous punishment, and none will help them.
This is very consistent with your hadith sir. Ransom will only be for the believing Muslims with Jews and Christians.
Contrary to your opinion Qur'an 6:164 that this is about ransom, it isn't. Your Tafsirs ( Ibn Kathir, Al-Maududi) agree that the meaning is that everyone will carry his own sins. Eg. A father will not be punished for the sins of his wife or child. This is why EACH Muslim will be individually ransomed (with a Christian or Jew)
Have you ever wondered why your ransom from the fire would not be the worst of Idolaters and unbelievers but Christians and Jews?
Qur'an 6:164 Say: 'Shall I seek someone other than Allah as Lord when He is the Lord of everything? ' Everyone will bear the consequence of what he does, and no one shall bear the burden of another. Thereafter, your return will be to your Lord, whereupon He will let you know what you disagreed about
My definition or the definition from Brittanica.com which you share?
In view of reason and purpose let me ask you these: are true believers of God not desirous to be forgiven when they inherently or otherwise sin?
Do you now say believers because they believe are perfect not to sin?
Is God not willing and happy to forgive when the errant sincerely repents?
Then in Surah Anam vs 164 -- no one shall bear the burden of another-- do you not clearly see that the burden of sin of one cannot be born by another so the issue of ransoming with other persons/beings doesn't arise.
Or do you say the forgiveness of Allah or the God you worship is so limited that in order to forgive and save some he has to transfer their wrong to others?
The verses Quran 57:15; 5:36, 70:11 and 3:91 show that it is impossible to ransom or you have difficulty comprehending that too?
TenQ: Like a drowning man, you are clutching up to straws to deliver you unfortunatley, you are still in the peril of sinking as the straws cannot deliver you.
8 formal + old-fashioned — used to indicate the reason for something or the purpose of something Examples: We exercise so that we may be strong and healthy. I work hard so that my family may not go hungry.
In the two examples above, the REASONS are in colour RED the PURPOSE are in colour BLUE
For number 8 to refer to the MAY of your Allah, these two conditions must be clearly elucidated. Here is your verse again
Qur'an 48:2-3 2. That Allâh may forgive you your sins of the past and the future, and complete His Favour on you, and guide you on the Straight Path; 3. And that Allâh may help you with strong help.
The purpsoes in Qur'an 48:2-3 are a. That Allâh may forgive you your sins of the past and the future, b. that Allâh may help you with strong help.
Can you show me the REASON for these PURPOSE from Quran 48:2-3? The above example show that your err sir. You are just clutching on straws which will not save you.
I asked you: Since arabic has the equivalent of the English word SHALL, and Allah could have used it but he didn't: now we are stuck with his inability to guarantee forgiveness for Mohammed. Are words like words like سوف (sawfa) or سَـ (sa) AND يجب أن (yajibu an) not Arabic?
Do you agree that Allah could have used in place of MAY, words like WILL, SHALL, MUST or SHOULD
I have noticed you typing (exact translation) in front of quite a number of the verses yet you ignore the fact that translating Arabic to English presents numerous challenges that often prevent a direct, word-for-word translation.
This is because there are:
1. Linguistic differences which stem from the fact that Arabic and English belong to different language families, which results in significant linguistic disparities.
2. The grammatical rules governing sentence construction differ significantly between the two languages. This is exhibited in verb forms where Arabic verbs are conjugated based on gender and number, while English verbs do not change form as extensively. (May, shall, will are also classified as modal verbs)
Structural differences in the sentence order can lead to confusion if translated directly without adjustment.
Language is deeply intertwined with culture; thus, cultural nuances play a crucial role in translation. For example Many phrases in Arabic carry cultural significance that may not have a direct equivalent in English. For instance, idioms like “break a leg” cannot be translated literally into Arabic without losing their intended meaning or vice versa.
Arabic words may have multiple meanings depending on context.
The lack of standardisation where there isn’t always a universally accepted term for specific concepts due to historical and educational factors.
Do you now not see why it is wrong that you apply your rules from English language to the efforts of translators from Arabic to English?
Are you aware that equivalent is the which term refers to something that has the same value, function, or meaning as another item but may not be identical in form or appearance? For example, two currencies can be equivalent if they have the same purchasing power, even though they are different currencies.
Are you also aware that exact the adjective denotes precision and accuracy. When something is described as exact, it means that it is completely correct or true without any deviation. For instance, an exact measurement would indicate a specific quantity without approximation.
In translation, an equivalent word may convey the same meaning but not necessarily carry the same connotations or cultural significance while an exact translation aims to replicate both meaning and nuance as closely as possible.
You see why?
Regarding the YouTube video.
You obviously fail to understand that the concept of a ransom is used in the context of atonement to describe the payment made to free someone from captivity or sin. Allah's forgiveness being the actual ransom.
I do however acknowledge disparity of views regarding the Hadith you quote but why go to hadith?
The Quran in Surah Aham verse 164 has a meaning translated as "And no bearer of burdens will bear the burden of another. And if a heavily laden soul calls [another] to [carry some of] its load, nothing of it will be carried, even if he should be a close relative. You can only warn those who fear their Lord unseen and have established prayer. And whoever purifies himself only purifies himself for [the benefit of] his soul. And to Allah is the [final] destination.
TenQ: Sin is Desecration of the Integrity of God. Sin is the Violation of Gods Integrity.
Read your Quran: Who provided the Lamb or Ram that was used to Ransome the son of Abraham? Why did God provide a ransom for Abraham's son: why he didn't just say that Abraham should go?
Every human being is born a sinner: this is the nature we all inherited from Adam. This is why Jesus was not a descendant of Adam for he would have also inherited the nature of sin like the rest of us.
With your statements of desecration of God do you imply man's actions in any way affect this nature?
Does Malachi 3:6, “For I am the Lord, I do not change; therefore you are not consumed, O sons of Jacob.” not emphasizes that God’s character remains constant regardless of human behavior or circumstances?
You also make reference to Abraham, his son and the ram but do not state what sin Abraham or his son were guilty of requiring a sacrifice for atonement.
Is your concept of God such that you feel he unjustly makes every born human inherit a sin he or she played no role in?
Jesus was not a descendant of Adam but a descendant of one (Mary) who is a descendant of Adam? How do you turn on and off the principles of logic whimsically?
TenQ: Like a drowning man, you are clutching up to straws to deliver you unfortunatley, you are still in the peril of sinking as the straws cannot deliver you.
8 formal + old-fashioned — used to indicate the reason for something or the purpose of something Examples: We exercise so that we may be strong and healthy. I work hard so that my family may not go hungry.
In the two examples above, the REASONS are in colour RED the PURPOSE are in colour BLUE
For number 8 to refer to the MAY of your Allah, these two conditions must be clearly elucidated. Here is your verse again
Qur'an 48:2-3 2. That Allâh may forgive you your sins of the past and the future, and complete His Favour on you, and guide you on the Straight Path; 3. And that Allâh may help you with strong help.
The purpsoes in Qur'an 48:2-3 are a. That Allâh may forgive you your sins of the past and the future, b. that Allâh may help you with strong help.
Can you show me the REASON for these PURPOSE from Quran 48:2-3? The above example show that your err sir. You are just clutching on straws which will not save you.
I asked you: Since arabic has the equivalent of the English word SHALL, and Allah could have used it but he didn't: now we are stuck with his inability to guarantee forgiveness for Mohammed. Are words like words like سوف (sawfa) or سَـ (sa) AND يجب أن (yajibu an) not Arabic?
Do you agree that Allah could have used in place of MAY, words like WILL, SHALL, MUST or SHOULD
As pointed out before
Ohyoudidnt: The problem is in defining an arabic word by a limited English translation.
I have noticed you typing (exact translation) in front of quite a number of the verses yet you ignore the fact that translating Arabic to English presents numerous challenges that often prevent a direct, word-for-word translation.
This is because there are:
1. Linguistic differences which stem from the fact that Arabic and English belong to different language families, which results in significant linguistic disparities.
2. The grammatical rules governing sentence construction differ significantly between the two languages. This is exhibited in verb forms where Arabic verbs are conjugated based on gender and number, while English verbs do not change form as extensively. (May, shall, will are also classified as modal verbs)
Structural differences in the sentence order can lead to confusion if translated directly without adjustment.
Language is deeply intertwined with culture; thus, cultural nuances play a crucial role in translation. For example Many phrases in Arabic carry cultural significance that may not have a direct equivalent in English. For instance, idioms like “break a leg” cannot be translated literally into Arabic without losing their intended meaning or vice versa.
Arabic words may have multiple meanings depending on context.
The lack of standardisation where there isn’t always a universally accepted term for specific concepts due to historical and educational factors.
Do you now not see why it is wrong that you apply your rules from English language to the efforts of translators from Arabic to English?
Are you aware that equivalent is the which term refers to something that has the same value, function, or meaning as another item but may not be identical in form or appearance? For example, two currencies can be equivalent if they have the same purchasing power, even though they are different currencies.
Are you also aware that exact the adjective denotes precision and accuracy. When something is described as exact, it means that it is completely correct or true without any deviation. For instance, an exact measurement would indicate a specific quantity without approximation.
In translation, an equivalent word may convey the same meaning but not necessarily carry the same connotations or cultural significance while an exact translation aims to replicate both meaning and nuance as closely as possible.
You see why?
Ohyoudidnt: Why can't the Quran be directly interpreted?
Is this because it is in Arabic language?
Do you mean naturally speaking Arabians need an interpreter to understand the arabic of the Quran?
I hope you are not deliberately making an intellectual mistake.
No, I know you have translation, but I just want to make sure you get it right.
There will come a day that we will see far more radical extremists and terrorists coming out of Europe because of lack of decision making, trying to be politically correct or assuming that they know the Middle East and they know Islam and they know the others far better than we do
You obviously fail to understand that the concept of a ransom is used in the context of atonement to describe the payment made to free someone from captivity or sin. Allah's forgiveness being the actual ransom.
I do however acknowledge disparity of views regarding the Hadith you quote but why go to hadith?
The Quran in Surah Aham verse 164 has a meaning translated as "And no bearer of burdens will bear the burden of another. And if a heavily laden soul calls [another] to [carry some of] its load, nothing of it will be carried, even if he should be a close relative. You can only warn those who fear their Lord unseen and have established prayer. And whoever purifies himself only purifies himself for [the benefit of] his soul. And to Allah is the [final] destination.
Remember that i said to you: Your dictionary has at least three definitions for MAY as MAY =have permission to MAY =used to express a wish or desire MAY =used to express purpose [i]-He will do the job come what may!
Even though mundane, we have to ask you Which of these three is the MAY of Allah (for all of them express a PERMISSION , a WISH or a POSSIBILITY or a PURPOSE ).
Is Allah giving a PERMISSION or he is giving a POSSIBILITY or he is giving a WISH?
Remember that you also said:
Since it seems you have eliminated one of the three options in definition, we can revise the question as Which of these two is the MAY of Allah (for all of them express a WISH or a POSSIBILITY ).
BUT, since arabic has the equivalent of the English word SHALL, and Allah could have used it but he didn't: now we are stuck with his inability to guarantee forgiveness for Mohammed. Are words like words like سوف (sawfa) or سَـ (sa) AND يجب أن (yajibu an) not Arabic?
Do you agree that Allah could have used in place of MAY, words like WILL, SHALL, MUST or SHOULD
From your submissions with the brittanica.com definitions do you not have as point 8 the definition:
8 formal + old-fashioned — used to indicate the reason for something or the purpose of something We exercise so that we may [=will] be strong and healthy. [=we exercise in order to be strong and healthy] I work hard so that my family may [=will] [/b]not go hungry. be that as it may formal
The above says old fashioned and if you will be sincere and truthful isn't the Quran an old revelation even if in arabic language?
Have you not accepted that there isn't always a hundred percent accurate and correct translation of words from one language to another?
Is this not due to innate peculiarities and nuances that are not as easy to translate from one language to another?
Of course you turn a blind eye to:
[b]لِّيَغْفِرَ is derived from the root verb ghafara, which means “to forgive” or “to pardon.” The prefix لـ (li) indicates purpose or intention, often translated as “in order to” or “so that.” The form yagfiru is the imperfect tense (present/future) of the verb, specifically in the third person masculine singular form. When combined, li yaghfiru translates to “so that He may forgive” or “in order for Him to forgive.”
Is it that you cannot recognise the Arabic word in the verse Q48:2 you refer to?
In Islam, the concept of the Holy Spirit (Ar-Ruh al-Qudus) is understood to be a creation of Allah and is separate from Allah Himself. The Holy Spirit is believed to be an angel or a divine entity created by Allah for specific purposes. It is important to note that in Islamic belief, Allah is distinct and separate from His creation, including the Holy Spirit and all other spirits.
In Surah Al-Ma'idah, Chapter 5, Verse 110, Allah says:
Translation: [And mention] when Allah will say, "O Jesus, Son of Mary, remember My favor upon you and upon your mother when I supported you with the Pure Spirit and you spoke to the people in the cradle and in maturity; and [remember] when I taught you writing and wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel; and when you designed from clay [what was] like the form of a bird with My permission, then you breathed into it, and it became a bird with My permission; and you healed the blind and the leper with My permission; and when you brought forth the dead with My permission; and when I restrained the Children of Israel from [killing] you when you came to them with clear proofs and those who disbelieved among them said, "This is not but obvious magic."
This verse from the Quran mentions the support given to Prophet Isa (Jesus) by the Pure Spirit (Ar-Ruh al-Qudus), indicating that the Holy Spirit is a creation of Allah and was sent to assist and guide the prophets.
Also, the concept of the "spirit of Allah" in relation to Prophet Isa (Jesus) is understood to be a creation of Allah and is separate from Allah Himself. The term "spirit of Allah" (Ruhullah) refers to a special status or honor given to Prophet Isa as a chosen messenger of Allah, not to be understood as a literal part of Allah Himself.
In Surah An-Nisa, Chapter 4, Verse 171, Allah O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs.
This verse clarifies the status of Prophet Isa (Jesus) as a messenger of Allah and emphasizes the oneness of Allah, highlighting that the term "spirit from Him" refers to a creation of Allah and not a part of Allah Himself. It is important to understand the teachings of Islam regarding the nature of Allah and His creation.
Perhaps you also need to be told that being separate from Allah points to the spirit not being an attribute of Allah.
The fundamental problem is your focus in likening the creation of Allah to Allah himself yet you forget that there is nothing like Allah and nothing can be compared or likened to him.
In Islam, attributes (sifaat) refer to the qualities or characteristics that define Allah’s nature. These attributes are unique to Allah and do not share any similarity with created beings. The essence of Allah is distinct from His creation, and thus, any description or attribute ascribed to Him must align with this understanding.
The term “spirit” in Islamic texts often refers to a created entity rather than an intrinsic quality of Allah. For instance, when discussing the creation of Adam, it is stated that Allah breathed His spirit into him:
Qur’an 15:29: “So when I have fashioned him completely and breathed into him [lit. ‘My soul’], then fall down prostrating yourselves unto him.”
This verse indicates that the spirit is something bestowed upon Adam, marking his distinction as a living being rather than an attribute inherent to Allah Himself.
The Breath of Allah, it is not explicitly mentioned in the Qur'an or Hadith as an attribute of Allah.
When referring to the “breath” of Allah, it is important to recognize that this expression signifies an act of creation rather than a characteristic that defines His essence. The act of breathing life into Adam or sending His spirit does not imply that these actions reflect a divine attribute but rather demonstrate His creative power.
Scholars such as Ibn Taymiyyah and Ibn al-Qayyim have articulated that mentioning something in conjunction with Allah does not equate it to being an attribute of His divine nature. They emphasize that terms like “the spirit of Allah” should be understood in context.
Salvation rescues believers from the ultimate penalty of sin, which is death (Matthew 25:46). It also provides liberation from the power of sin in this life, allowing believers to live in accordance with God’s will (Romans 6:14)
When God forgives us, He wipes our sins off the record as if they never existed (Psalm 103:12). Forgiveness allows for reconciliation between God and humanity, restoring what was lost due to sin.
The Bible teaches that one cannot attain salvation without first receiving forgiveness for their sins. Acts 26:18 emphasizes that salvation involves turning people from darkness to light and from the power of Satan to God so that they may receive forgiveness.
In Luke 1:77, John the Baptist speaks about giving knowledge of salvation through the forgiveness of sins. This indicates that understanding one’s need for forgiveness is crucial for grasping the concept of salvation.
While forgiveness addresses past sins by erasing them, salvation secures the future by ensuring no longer being under condemnation. They work together; without forgiveness, there can be no true experience of salvation.
TenQ: I used you own dictionary sir and you were completly decimated. Secondly, you admitted from your own words that When spoken, “may” is commonly used to express possibility or permission in a less formal manner. For example, in everyday conversation, someone might say, “I may go to the store later,” to indicate a potential action without committing definitively. ....
In other words, it is in the realm of probability if Allah would forgive Mohammed or not
What you have said is that Written MAY is even more certain than Oral MAY!
Let's see how unambiguous Allah is in the Quran from another verse!
Quran 17:1 "Glory be to him(1) who took his(2) servant by night from the Sacred Mosque to the farthest mosque, whose surroundings we(3) have blessed, to show him(4) of our signs. Indeed, he(5) is the Hearing, the Seeing."
From the Quran Alone can you answer these Questions 1. Who is the one speaking here: Allah or Mohammed or Jibril” Note: Moses was mentioned in Quran 17:2 2. Which servant was taken by night is it Moses or David or Mohammed? 3. If we assume that Allah is him(1) and his(2), who is the we(3)? Note: him(1) and him(2) is singular but we(3) is plural 4. Are the him(4) and the he(5) different or the same? 5. Who is to be shown the signs? 6. Where is this Sacred Mosque? 7. Where is this farthest Mosque whose surroundings has been blessed? Note: The Temple was completely destroyed by the Romans 550 years before Mohammed and it was a waste dump. Omar Ibn al-Khattab, found the waste dump in 638 AD rebuilt the Temple in Jerusalem (completed fully in 705 AD)
Let’s rephrase and correct some of the grammatical blunders of the Quran a. If Mohammed, Jibril or someone else was the originator of this verse Quran XX:X "Glory be to Allah(1) who took his(2) servant Mohammed by night from the Sacred Mosque in Mecca to the farthest mosque in Jerusalem, whose surroundings he(3) has blessed, to show his servant(4) of his signs. Indeed, he(5) is the Hearing, the Seeing."
b. If Allah himself was the originator of this verse Quran XX:X "Glory be to us(1) who took our(2) servant Mohammed by night from the Sacred Mosque in Mecca to the farthest mosque in Jerusalem, whose surroundings we(3) have blessed, to show our servant(4) of our signs. Indeed, we(5) are the Hearing, the Seeing."
I challenge you to say that either of the two verses of Quran XX:X is not better in clarity that Quran 17:1
Did I hide away from showing different meaning of the word May?
Did I not ask you to see the context of the use of the word in sentences?
The variable meanings with regards to first second and third person?
If a word is commonly used for something does it eliminate other uses from being correct?
For one who is unable to adequately comprehend English language with regards it's tenses, nuances and form of usage it is great to see you promote to an expert to define what is or Isn't a blunder.
Did your own eventual submission of a dictionary definition of ambiguous not show that it means multiple meanings?
You are not submitting the people meaning of what is quoted from the shema in Jewish.
In any case it's been the usual never ending merry go round with your refusal to see accept the truth arguing like the Pharisees
TenQ: A Muslim is a person who tells different lies and manufactures all forms of conjectures so that he can remain in Islam.
Repeating obvious untruths cannot turn it into the truth.
A blatant lie except you can show me one verse of the Qur'an where Jibril is called the Holy Spirit. Don't forget that Jesus is also a spirit in the Qur'an
Another blatant lie as the Qur'an speaks only of "Children of Israel" without telling us who Israel is!
I challenge you to show me a single verse of the Qur'an that says Israel is Yaqub
At least you spoke a little truth here. The information here is either false or ambiguous for according to the Torah Mary the sister of Aaron is the daughter of Amran (Imran). Mary the mother of Jesus is from the tribe of Judah while Mary the sister of Aaron is from the Tribe of Levi.
The question was about why Jesus was unique amongst all humans. Unfortunately, the Jews didn't request for a baby born from a virgin and neither did they ask for a baby who could talk and neither did they ask Allah for a person who can perform miracles.
So, clearly, the Qur'an gives no single reason why Jesus was the Messiah or why He was given.
If we go by your adoption of MAY meaning granting of permission,
1. Does Allah need permission to forgive anyone? 2. Who is Allah calling to grant permission to forgive Mohammed ?
Aren't you contradicting yourself here?
You said: MAY is MAY is used to grant permission
Are you adopting the other two definitions of MAY?
Can you tell me how MAY become a Guarantee for anything?
I am sure you know that there are several verses where Allah unsure of himself used the word MAY like in Qur'an 48:2, Qur'an 12:92, Qur'an 24:22 , Quran 48.3 Quran 14.51, Quran 3.141, Quran 24.38, Quran 33.24, Quran 48.2, Quran 9.121, or Quran 39.35
Sometimes I wonder what you would do IF Christians deliberately miss-define a word as something else.
The problem is in defining an arabic word by a limited English translation.
ambiguous /ăm-bĭg′yoo͞-əs/ adjective Open to more than one interpretation. "an ambiguous reply."
Doubtful or uncertain.
Doubtful or uncertain, particularly in respect to signification; capable of being understood in either of two or more possible senses; equivocal.
"an ambiguous course; an ambiguous expression." Similar: equivocal
لِّيَغْفِرَ is derived from the root verb ghafara, which means “to forgive” or “to pardon.” The prefix لـ (li) indicates purpose or intention, often translated as “in order to” or “so that.” The form yagfiru is the imperfect tense (present/future) of the verb, specifically in the third person masculine singular form. When combined, li yaghfiru translates to “so that He may forgive” or “in order for Him to forgive.”
In other places so that He may forgive reflects both a request for mercy by believers and an acknowledgment of human fallibility.
The belief that ruhul Qudus is Jibril can be traced to Surah Al-Baqarah, verse 87 and other verses in the Quran where the two entities are mentioned together like Al-Baqarah verse 97 which specifies the one who brings down the divine message to prophets. Just as well with Quran 16:102.
TenQ: As an example, According to the Qur'an alone 1. Who is Rūh Al-Qudus? 2. Who is Israel? 3. Who is the sister of Aaron? 4. Why is Jesus so unique amongst humans (without a Father and why can he create life and why is he still alive 2000 plus years after his birth)?
You didn't ask about why Jesus was called the messiah or you ask so many questions and confuse yourself?
The concept of the "ruh" (soul or spirit) is mentioned in the Qur'an in several verses. The ruh is a creation of Allah and is distinct from Allah Himself, as Allah is the Creator and the ruh is one of His creations. The ruh is a part of the human being that gives life and consciousness.
In the Qur'an, the term "ruh" (soul or spirit) is mentioned in various forms and contexts. The ruh is a creation of Allah and plays a significant role in human existence and spirituality.
Ruh as the Breath of Life in Surah As-Sajdah, verse 9
In Surah Ash-Shura, verse 52, the ruh is mentioned in the context of revelation and guidance this is another form of "Ruh" mentioned in the Qur'an as "Ruh al-Ameen" which translates to the Trustworthy Spirit. This term is found in Surah Ash-Shu'ara, verse 193-194: In these verses, "Ruh al-Ameen" is mentioned as the one who brought down the revelation to the heart of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), indicating the trustworthiness and reliability of the source of the revelation.
Mention of Israel in Context of Prophets in Surah Maryam (19:58) These are the people on whom Allah bestowed Favour from among the Prophets of the seed of Adam and of those (believers) whom We (saved from Deluge and) carried with Nuh (Noah) in the Ark, and of the posterity of Ibrahim (Abraham) and Isra‘il (Israel i.e. Ya‘qub [Jacob]) and of those (chosen ones) whom We guided and exalted. When the Verses of the Most Kind (Lord) are recited to them, they fall down prostrating themselves in (profuse) tears.
And I follow religion of my father and forefathers: Ibrahim (Abraham), Ishaq (Isaac), and Ya‘qub (Jacob). And we have no right to associate anything as a partner with Allah. This (belief in the Oneness of Allah) is a (special) bounty of Allah upon us and the people, but most people do not give thanks. Surah Yusuf (12:38)
Quran 45:16 serves as proof that “Israel” refers to Yaqub (Jacob) by establishing a direct link between him and the Children of Israel. Jacob’s twelve sons became the progenitors of the twelve tribes of Israel. Thus, when referring to the Children of Israel in this context, it inherently points back to Jacob as their forefather. The Quran frequently recounts stories involving Jacob and his sons (notably Joseph), reinforcing his role as a key figure in guiding his descendants.
TenQ: BTW, yis-lach elohim : doesn't mean God may/shall forgive
What is the translation of the meaning of yis-lach elohim?
Steep: Mohammad was not a prophet of God. Go and check the meaning of to fulfill. If Jesus has fulfilled the law then ultimately he ended it legally.
Your rights to your view are within your rights.
Does fulfilling a law translate to termination of the law?
Jesus emphasizes that until everything is accomplished, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen will disappear from the Law (Matthew 5:18). This suggests that while certain aspects may be fulfilled through Christ’s life and teachings, the foundational principles remain intact.
The one to come after Jesus cannot be the holy spirit as the holy spirit was around before, during after the time of Jesus.
Well as other prophets were rejected before Jesus and he himself included it's not unusual you reject prophet Muhammad pbuh.
SIRTee15: The message Jesus preached is different from previous prophets. U have to believe in the message of Jesus to attain eternal life.
John 6 53 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them.
The question is to clarify if believing in other prophets sent by God removes the belief in God.
The message of Jesus by your submission is in what sense please? Did he say there's another God?
When Jesus spoke to those who were already familiar with Jewish law and prophecy, did he not focus on fulfilling the law? Did he not say no laws of God will be abolished or neglected?
According to Merriam-Webster, the word "ambiguous" is defined as:
1. "Doubtful or uncertain especially from obscurity or indistinctness." 2. "Capable of being understood in two or more possible senses or ways" (Merriam-Webster) (Merriam-Webster). In other words, something ambiguous can be unclear because it has multiple possible meanings or interpretations.
No wonder, even though the Qur'an is supposed to be a detailed explanation of all things, we spend 90% of the time reading multiple Tafsirs to comprehend it.
The presence of ambiguous verses is a failure in scholarship by Allah and a contradiction to his claim. Muslims are prevented from asking questions by Allah so that you wouldn't loose your blind faith in Allah.
As an example, According to the Qur'an alone 1. Who is Rūh Al-Qudus? 2. Who is Israel? 3. Who is the sister of Aaron? 4. Why is Jesus so unique amongst humans (without a Father and why can he create life and why is he still alive 2000 plus years after his birth)?
Islam is a fiction invented with the objective of rejecting Christ and creating a deity according to the imagination of some Arabs.
I asked for the DIFFERENCES and not SIMILARITIES between shall and may which as usual you botched up.
"I shall forgive you": Certainty : This statement expresses a definite intention to forgive. It implies that forgiveness is certain or planned. Tone: It is more decisive and authoritative, indicating a commitment to forgiving the person.
"I may forgive you": Certainty: This statement expresses a possibility rather than a certainty. It implies that forgiveness is being considered but not guaranteed Tone: It is more tentative and less committed, indicating that the decision to forgive is still under consideration and may depend on further factors or conditions.
Allah is the only deity who is unsure or uncertain of his ability to forgive his mightiest messanger.
BTW, yis-lach elohim : doesn't mean God may/shall forgive
From your submissions do you not know that when making to define a word by it's synonyms you are to analyse these synonyms to understand the nuances and contexts in which they are used?
I have colour coded one of the dictionary definitions of ambiguous you italicized do you not see how it fits into the context of its use in several verses of the Quran?
Something ambiguous is not solely unclear or is this what your eventual dictionary submission tells you?
What is the sense in only looking for differences and ignoring similarities? Is this not a deliberate effort to ignore the truth or a bias you covertly hold on to?
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* From the Quran Ruhul Qudus refers to the angel Jibril
* In the Qur'an, the term "Israel" refers to Prophet Ya'qub who is also known as Jacob in the Bible. Prophet Ya'qub, was the son of Prophet Ishaq, and the grandson of Prophet Ibrahim. Allah mentions the descendants of Prophet Ya'qub as the Children of Israel or Bani Isra'il.
* From the Quran the sister of Aaron is not explicitly mentioned however in regards to the point you are likely driving at sister of Aaron is symbolic in the description of Mary the mother of Jesus for her piety and devoutness to God
* The case of Jesus is unique particularly as the Israelites always ask for signs to prove being a messenger of God and the existence of the almighty. Haven seen so many signs and stubbornly refusing another sign of a person born without a father.
Jesus creating life in a bird don't know which other there is was another sign for the Israelites.
Ohyoudidnt: Shall and may are two modal auxiliary verbs that are used to express a future action.
Shall is used to express an intended future action
May is used to grant permission as in you may begin the examination?
You only say yis-lach elohim doesn't mean what I translate it to but fail to say what it means? Do you not know?
Let me remind you of the Questions again : Qur'an 48:2-3 2. That Allâh may forgive you your sins of the past and the future, and complete His Favour on you, and guide you on the Straight Path; 3. And that Allâh may help you with strong help.
1. Does Allah need permission to do anything? 2. Who is Allah giving PERMISSION to according to Qur'an 48:2-3?
4. If the Qur'an is the direct words of Allah, Which "Allah" is the Allah that is supposed to forgive Mohammed? 5. If Allah is the Almighty, why is he using the language "MAY" in prayers? Is he unsure of himself? 6. Do you agree that : If Allah truly knows the future, the language MAY shouldn't exist as a prayer with him except if a condition is stated for the fulfilment.?
Falsehood is easy to catch with simple questions: without LIES, Islam Dies!
What we have seen is that your Allah is NOT Certain about simple things like forgiving Mohammed because he is working on possibility, probability or likelihood of his abilities being sufficient to accomplish his wish
How can Allah be God when he isn't certain about forgiving his most beloved prophet?
As discussed earlier the context and meaning of may used here is that Allah will forgive sins in the future on earth and on judgement day
Permission isn't within the context of use
There is only one Allah and this agrees with the definition and meaning of the arabic word. The Allah that prophet Muhammad and all other prophets worship who sent them worship and all sincere believers.
The guarantee of forgiveness is in numerous verses such as Quran 8:33; 48:2; 3:135 to name a few.
The presence of ambiguous verses in the Quran encourages Muslims to engage in critical thinking and reflection. Instead of simply accepting the words of the Quran at face value
This process of reflection and contemplation not only deepens one's understanding of the Quran but also strengthens faith and connection to Allah.
Ambiguous verses also allow for a greater level of flexibility and adaptability in interpreting the Quran. In a rapidly changing world, the ability to interpret the Quran in a way that is relevant to the present day is crucial.
Ambigous words are capable of being understood in two or more possible senses or ways
I didn't see need to reply before haven explained the variation in word meaning in arabic in regards to sense of usage and context.
Ohyoudidnt: Why do you waste time with this stubborn arrogant ignoramus? His cut and join Arabic is too bad to be even considered pathetic.
وَٱلَّتِىٓ أَحْصَنَتْ فَرْجَهَا فَنَفَخْنَا فِيهَا مِن رُّوحِنَا وَجَعَلْنَـٰهَا وَٱبْنَهَآ ءَايَةًۭ لِّلْعَـٰلَمِينَ translates to mean And the one who guarded her chastity, so We blew into her (Mary) [through Gabriel] of Our spirit and made her and her son a sign for the worlds.
فَنَفَخْنَا فِيهَا so we breathed into her
It doesn't say فَنَفَخْنَا فَرْجَهَا so we breathed into her chastity.
In a medical or anatomical context, “فرج” refers to the vulva or female Instruments.
In a religious or moral context, “فرج” can symbolize chastity or modesty, as seen in Quranic verses where it is associated with guarding one’s chastity.
Additionally, “فرج” can signify relief, comfort, or release from suffering in a broader sense.
The primary translation of فِيهَا is in it or in which but it can also be translated as in herself or in her.
It can refer to being within a specific location, time frame, or situation. For example, it can denote being physically inside a place, such as a building or a room. It can also signify being present in a particular moment or timeframe. Additionally, it may indicate involvement in an activity or situation.
Furthermore, فِيهَا can be used to express possession or containment. It might imply that something is contained within an object or entity. This is apt in reference to her Womb. Does he limit Allah's ability to get directly to the womb yet believe in 'miracles' of picking out a fibroid without external skin cutting up?
Best ignore him. When he no longer gets responses he will eventually move on and if he likes he can keep posting to his delusion.
The sentences you pictured translate to mean:
The doctor discusses with the patient about her regular examination.
And
The patient feels comfortable when talking to the doctor about health issues related to her examination.
Or
The patient feels comfortable when (she) speaks with the female doctor about her health issues related to her health.
NairaLTQ: I got banned for posting to this post of yours
Symptoms of demonic possession may manifest as physical, emotional, or behavioral disturbances that are or may be beyond conventional explanations.
In the Presbyterian and Protestant churches, demonic possession is considered a spiritual ailment that requires treatment through prayer, deliverance ministry, and exorcism.
Is MAY used when admitting that something is true before introducing another point, argument, etc ? How does it relate to Qur'an 48:2-3
No wonder you cannot answer my simple questions
Qur'an 48:2-3 2. That Allâh may forgive you your sins of the past and the future, and complete His Favour on you, and guide you on the Straight Path; 3. And that Allâh may help you with strong help.
1. Does Allah need permission to do anything? 2. Who is Allah giving PERMISSION to according to Qur'an 48:2-3?
I expect you to ramble about as usual This is why Falsehood is easy to catch with simple questions!
What is the difference between these two similar sentences
1. I shall forgive you 2. I may forgive you
Shall and may are two modal auxiliary verbs that are used to express a future action.
When shall is used in the second or third person, it implies a promise, command, or compulsion.
May is used for a grant or allowance of permission.
The Jewish term transliterated as yis-lach elohim is God may/shall forgive
TenQ: Can you show me either the name of the Dictionary I claimed to use or if I ever told you it was a dictionary definition? Islam is all about the Red Herring Fallacy:
Again:
With your own statements you have been disgraced and you have no response.
Come back whenever you are ready to answer my questions.
What we have seen is that your Allah is NOT Certain about simple things like forgiving Mohammed because he is working on possibility, probability or likelihood of his abilities being sufficient to accomplish his wish
How can Allah be God when he isn't certain about forgiving his most beloved prophet?
Let me remind you of the Questions again :
Qur'an 48:2-3 2. That Allâh may forgive you your sins of the past and the future, and complete His Favour on you, and guide you on the Straight Path; 3. And that Allâh may help you with strong help.
1. Does Allah need permission to do anything? 2. Who is Allah giving PERMISSION to according to Qur'an 48:2-3? 3. What is the difference between these similar phrases I shall forgive youAND I may forgive you 4. If the Qur'an is the direct words of Allah, Which "Allah" is the Allah that is supposed to forgive Mohammed? 5. If Allah is the Almighty, why is he using the language "MAY" in prayers? Is he unsure of himself? 6. Do you agree that : If Allah truly knows the future, the language MAY shouldn't exist as a prayer with him except if a condition is stated for the fulfilment.?
Falsehood is easy to catch with simple questions: without LIES, Islam Dies!
Come back whenever you are ready to answer my questions.
Are you now a sole authority of language to define your words in isolation and push this on other people however incorrect?
TenQ: Can you show me either the name of the Dictionary I claimed to use or if I ever told you it was a dictionary definition? Islam is all about the Red Herring Fallacy:
Again:
With your own statements you have been disgraced and you have no response.
Come back whenever you are ready to answer my questions.
What we have seen is that your Allah is NOT Certain about simple things like forgiving Mohammed because he is working on possibility, probability or likelihood of his abilities being sufficient to accomplish his wish
How can Allah be God when he isn't certain about forgiving his most beloved prophet?
Let me remind you of the Questions again :
Qur'an 48:2-3 2. That Allâh may forgive you your sins of the past and the future, and complete His Favour on you, and guide you on the Straight Path; 3. And that Allâh may help you with strong help.
1. Does Allah need permission to do anything? 2. Who is Allah giving PERMISSION to according to Qur'an 48:2-3? 3. What is the difference between these similar phrases I shall forgive youAND I may forgive you 4. If the Qur'an is the direct words of Allah, Which "Allah" is the Allah that is supposed to forgive Mohammed? 5. If Allah is the Almighty, why is he using the language "MAY" in prayers? Is he unsure of himself? 6. Do you agree that : If Allah truly knows the future, the language MAY shouldn't exist as a prayer with him except if a condition is stated for the fulfilment.?
Falsehood is easy to catch with simple questions: without LIES, Islam Dies!
Come back whenever you are ready to answer my questions.
You fundamentally do not subscribe to a dictionary definition of ambiguous and obviously created your own. This sure will prevent understanding it's use and meaning in sentences.
With your own statements you have been disgraced and you have no response.
Come back whenever you are ready to answer my questions.
What we have seen is that your Allah is NOT Certain about simple things like forgiving Mohammed because he is working on possibility, probability or likelihood of his abilities being sufficient to accomplish his wish
How can Allah be God when he isn't certain about forgiving his most beloved prophet?
Let me remind you of the Questions again :
Qur'an 48:2-3 2. That Allâh may forgive you your sins of the past and the future, and complete His Favour on you, and guide you on the Straight Path; 3. And that Allâh may help you with strong help.
1. Does Allah need permission to do anything? 2. Who is Allah giving PERMISSION to according to Qur'an 48:2-3? 3. What is the difference between these similar phrases I shall forgive youAND I may forgive you 4. If the Qur'an is the direct words of Allah, Which "Allah" is the Allah that is supposed to forgive Mohammed? 5. If Allah is the Almighty, why is he using the language "MAY" in prayers? Is he unsure of himself? 6. Do you agree that : If Allah truly knows the future, the language MAY shouldn't exist as a prayer with him except if a condition is stated for the fulfilment.?
Falsehood is easy to catch with simple questions: without LIES, Islam Dies!
Do you agree that no dictionary defines ambiguous as “several possibilities of unclear statements?
KEVIND: If Igbos don't learn from the past experience (1966 till date) they'll never learn anything.
A Niger deltan by name Kaduna Nzeogwu from Okpanam in Delta state led the 1966 coup but it was tag Igbo coup. The recent one, Endsars protest was tag Igbo protest. Pls Igbos don't protest against Tinubu if not some mischief makers will tag it Igbo protest to topple Tinubu government because Obi lost.
TenQ: Too bad for you. What you have simply said is that Allah is NOT Certain about forgiving Mohammed. Allah is working on possibility, probability or likelihood of occurrence
How can Allah be God when he isn't certain about forgiving his most beloved prophet?
Your three definitions were clearly presented for you to choose what the MAY of Allah is BUT you can't as you can only throw irrelevant tantrums.
I have used your dictionary against you and yet you have failed again.
Qur'an 48:2-3 2. That Allâh may forgive you your sins of the past and the future, and complete His Favour on you, and guide you on the Straight Path; 3. And that Allâh may help you with strong help.
In your senseless arguments you shoot yourself at the foot.
According to your quote, the Oral MAY is even less precise that the written MAY. The oral May conveys a possibility or permission
Please which of these two is the MAY of Allah in Qur'an 48:2-3?
According to your writeup, oral MAY is the one that is LESS precise. Can you do yourself a favour by reading your post again. Can Islam survive without Misinformation and Taqqiya?
Your dictionary has at least three definitions for MAY as MAY=have permission to MAY=used to express a wish or desire MAY=used to express purpose (with examples such as) -we exercise so that we may be strong - possibility of happening he'll do his duty come what may
Even though mundane, we have to ask you Which of these three is the MAY of Allah (for all of them express a PERMISSION, a WISH or a POSSIBILITY).
Is Allah giving a PERMISSION or he is giving a POSSIBILITY or he is giving a WISH?
Please go and learn English before coming to struggle with translation but before kindly oblige this forum with a documented validation of your statement that ambiguous means may have several possibilities of unclear statements.
SharonLoveth: Birds of the same feather, if you read his post you won't be typing this rubbish. So in your religion, it is healing method you apply when you're been possessed with the demons. I doff my hat for your stupidity mister
As I noted before you are merely a jester.
Within the context of the New testament of the Bible should you believe in it individuals who are afflicted by demons can indeed be healed through exorcism.
Obviously you don't know that exorcisms have been used to treat a wide variety of symptoms that are now associated with mental issues?
TenQ: I have used your dictionary against you and yet you have failed again.
Is Oral MAY more precise that the Written MAY?
Qur'an 48:2-3 2. That Allâh may forgive you your sins of the past and the future, and complete His Favour on you, and guide you on the Straight Path; 3. And that Allâh may help you with strong help.
In your senseless arguments you shoot yourself at the foot.
According to your quote, the Oral MAY is even less precise that the written MAY. The oral May conveys a possibility or permission
Please which of these two is the MAY of Allah in Qur'an 48:2-3?
According to your writeup, oral MAY is the one that is LESS precise. Can you do yourself a favour by reading your post again. Can Islam survive without Misinformation and Taqqiya?
1. Your dictionary has at least three definitions for MAY as MAY=have permission to MAY=used to express a wish or desire MAY=used to express purpose (with examples such as) -we exercise so that we may be strong - possibility of happening he'll do his duty come what may
Even though mundane, we have to ask you Which of these three is the MAY of Allah (for all of them express a PERMISSION, a WISH or a POSSIBILITY).
Is Allah giving a PERMISSION or he is giving a POSSIBILITY or he is giving a WISH?
Very closed and narrow views as expected.
What do you even understand about possibility? When something is highly possible what is the likelihood of occurrence?
A highly probable event is how much more likely to occur than a lowly probable event?
Do you not understand that a positive argument directly supports a conclusion, while a negative argument undermines an opposing conclusion?
At the time of the revelation of the Quran in Arabia how many written documents existed and how many people could read and write?
What do you even understand by an English speaking person saying my word is bond?
Please go and learn English before coming to struggle with translation but before kindly oblige this forum with a documented validation of your statement that ambiguous means may have several possibilities of unclear statements
TenQ: What has the verse below got to do with oral recital of the Qur'an? Qur'an 48:2-3 2. That Allâh may forgive you your sins of the past and the future, and complete His Favour on you, and guide you on the Straight Path; 3. And that Allâh may help you with strong help.
In your senseless arguments you shoot yourself at the foot.
According to your quote, the Oral MAY is even less precise that the written MAY. The oral May conveys a possibility or permission
Please which of these two is the MAY of Allah in Qur'an 48:2-3?
After the above, you went to smuggle in falsehood completely negating the write-up from your dictionary definition thinking that no one will see it.
According to your writeup, oral MAY is the one that is LESS precise. Can you do yourself a favour by reading your post again. Can Islam survive without Misinformation and Taqqiya?
1. I didn't tell you that I quoted any dictionary as I asked you to quote your dictionary and I gave you synonyms except you are willing to show that the synonyms are WRONG. (Be my guest) 2. Your dictionary has at least three definitions for MAY as MAY=have permission to MAY=used to express a wish or desire MAY=used to express purpose (with examples such as) -we exercise so that we may be strong - possibility of happening he'll do his duty come what may
Even though mundane, we have to ask you Which of these three is the MAY of Allah (for all of them express a PERMISSION, a WISH or a POSSIBILITY).
Is Allah giving a PERMISSION or he is giving a POSSIBILITY or he is giving a WISH?
A most simple truth if you can get off a highly repugnant arrogant display of ignorance is was Quran 48:2-3 transmitted orally or in print or engraved stone?
You didn't quote any dictionary but speak English that you create and Define!!!
Christianity Etc › Re: The Holy Spirit In The Qur'an Cannot Be Angel Jibril by Ohyoudidnt: 11:23am On Jul 22, 2024
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