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NairaLTQ:
I can see why you quickly went to the Admin to bail you out. Unfortunatly for you, i grabbed your screen


The Admin Quickly bailed you Out by banning my post!?
SMH!

When I say you are a chronic liar, it is an understatement.
You have gone through the screenshots and found that there was nothing like a YEAR as duration of Solomon's death!?
How can you look me in the face and say that none stating how long Suleiman a.s leaned on a stick

Check each of the Tafsir I gave you:





If you like, call the Admin to delete this too and ban the account
Chronic Liar!

You are indeed the slave of the Al-Makr!

You are extremely pathetic with your line of thought and lie again without any proof. I went to the admin you say. Of what use is that to me.

The extent of your lies is really troubling and you should seek deliverance.

You grabbed my screen of what please? Present it if indeed you have it and are not doing what comes naturally to you.

The primary criticisms of Ibn Saad's tafsir and others on Suleiman's death is the lack of explicit Quranic or Hadith-based evidence to support this narrative.

The Quran mentions Suleiman's death in passing without providing specific details about the circumstances surrounding it. Additionally, the Hadiths that do mention Suleiman's death do not align with Ibn Saad's account, leading some scholars to question the authenticity of his interpretation.

Moreover, the story of Suleiman's death in Ibn Saad's tafsir raises theological questions about the nature of prophethood and miracles. Some critics argue that portraying Suleiman's death as a result of a misperception by the jinn undermines his status as a prophet and diminishes the significance of his miraculous abilities as described in the Quran.

In light of these criticisms, it is essential to approach interpretations of Islamic texts with caution and scrutiny.

While tafsir plays a crucial role in understanding the meanings and lessons of the Quran, interpretations that deviate from established sources such as the Quran and Hadith should be approached with skepticism.

TenQ:
Tafsir by Al-Jalalayn can be found here in Arabic



https://surahquran.com/aya-tafsir-14-34.html#jlalin




You Muslims are chronic liars.

Anything that is disgraceful, you don't translate. The one you translate, you polish up to sound nice.


Shame on you!

No. Categorically the shame is on you for telling me to find the arabic in altafsir.com then now making attempts to deny your lie by pointing elsewhere.

TenQ:
Mr Ohyoudidnt

1. All your Scholars agree that Solomon stood dead for a year, almost a year or a year plus, check the following screenshot as requested.
2. You will need to explain how Solomon's wives, subjects did not know that solomon was dead for a whole year


https://www.ibnalarabi.com/quran/aya.php?id=3620
Third by Ibn Sa'ad

I see mention of about a year here but with a following statement according to what they say. Is this not too ambiguous for you to hold on to as a fact?


So they worked like this for a full year, according to what was said, until an animal of the earth took control of his staff


The devils used to gather around the prayer niche, and the prayer niche had windows in front of it and behind it. The devil who wanted to take it off would say: Are you not a skin? If I enter, I will come out from this side. So he would enter until he came out from the other side. Then one of those devils entered and passed by. No devil looked at Solomon in the prayer niche without being burned. So he passed by and did not hear Solomon’s voice. Then he returned and did not hear him. Then he returned and fell into the house and did not burn. He looked at Solomon, peace be upon him, and he had fallen dead. So he went out and told the people that Solomon had died. So they opened the door for him and took him out. They found that his staff - which is: the staff in the Ethiopian language - had been eaten by termites. They did not know how long he had been dead. So they put termites on the staff, and they ate from it for a day and a night. Then they calculated in that manner and found that he had died a year ago And in the reading of Ibn Masoud: “So they continued to strive for him for a year after his death.” Then the people were certain that the jinn were lying to them, and if they had known the unseen, they would have known of Solomon’s death and would not have remained in the torment working for him for a year. This is the saying of Allah the Almighty: “None showed them his death except a creature of the earth that ate away at his staff. So when he fell down, the jinn realized that if they had known the unseen, they would not have remained in the humiliating punishment.”


You however fail to clarify which of the verses of your Bible is correct regarding the number of supervisors.

TenQ:
Mr Antichristian
This says in summary that
1. The West is ignorant of who Muslims truly are
Deduction:
Islam is a disease that infects a whole nation. Islam is like a virus or pathogen that causes the disease of violence in a people

What is actually said:


I have translation

No, I know you have translation, but I just want to make sure you get it right.

There will come a day that we will see far more radical extremists and terrorists coming out of Europe because of lack of decision making, trying to be politically correct or assuming that they know the Middle East and they know Islam and they know the others far better than we do

TenQ:
You are purely EVIL and dominated truly by Iblis.

You are not worth it

Have a nice day!

Is it untrue that you categorically state the arabic tafsir is in altafsir.com?

I have gone through 2 of your screenshots and see none stating how long Suleiman a.s leaned on a stick.

Kindly apologise to your mentees for leading them astray.

Swallow your insincere and aggressive have a nice day phrase. Hope it digests well with you.

I have looked at 2 out of 3 of your screenshots and honestly state that I see no mention of Suleiman a.s leaning on the stick for almost a year or anything like you have mentioned.

I see in one mentions of probable ages when Suleiman a.s ascended the stone and his age at death. Perhaps you can point to the arabic text as I know you have Arabian friends and teachers.

https://surahquran.com/aya-14-sora-34.html

TenQ:
Mr Ohyoudidnt

1. All your Scholars agree that Solomon stood dead for a year, almost a year or a year plus, check the following screenshot as requested.
2. You will need to explain how Solomon's wives, subjects did not know that solomon was dead for a whole year


https://www.ibnalarabi.com/quran/aya.php?id=3620
Fourth by Ibn Al-Baghawi quoting Ibn Abbas

When you are categorically called a liar you take offense. All your screenshots are not from altafsir.com. Did you not say if I want arabic version I will find it there in your several post pointing to it?

Why have you gotten screenshots from other sites? Indeed you are very truthful.

TenQ:
1. Show me where I said ONE YEAR: because I have always consistently said almost one year because not every Tafsir say exactly one year.

2. What I have said is that your scholars agree with me and not you! Are you better than your scholars?

Nevertheless,
Is Al-Jalalayn Wrong?
34.14 Jalal - Al-Jalalayn
And when We decreed for him, for Solomon, death, in other words, [when] he died — he remained supported against his staff an entire year, while the jinn continued to toil in hard labour as was customary, unaware of his death, until [finally] when a termite ate through his staff, he fell to the ground [and was seen to be] dead — nothing indicated to them that he had died except a termite (al-ard is the verbal noun from uridat al-khashaba, passive verbal form, in other words, ‘it [the piece of wood] was eaten away by a termite [al-arada]’) that gnawed away at his staff (read minsa’atahu or minsātahu, replacing the hamza with an alif, meaning a ‘staff’, so called because [when describing it one would say] yunsa’u bihā, to mean it is used to repel or drive away [creatures]’)....


Is Ibn-Abbas Wrong?

34.14 Abbas - Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs
(And when We decreed death for him) for Solomon, Solomon died and remained standing in his retreat for a year (nothing showed his death) the death of Solomon (to them save a creeping creature of the earth) a woodworm (which gnawed away his staff) and it is said: his short spear. (And when he fell) when Solomon fell to the ground (the jinn saw clearly how) the jinn and human beings saw clearly that they do not know the unseen, (if they had known the unseen, they would not have continued in despised toil) they would not have continued in their subservience. People thought before this that the jinn knew the unseen but when they saw this they realised that they did not

Is Ibn-Kathir Wrong
34.14 Kathir - Ibn Al Kathir
The Death of Sulayman
Allah tells us how Sulayman, peace be upon him, died and how Allah concealed his death from the Jinn who were subjugated to him to do hard labor. He remained leaning on his stick, which was his staff, as Ibn `Abbas may Allah be pleased with him, Mujahid, Al-Hasan, Qatadah and others said. He stayed like that for a long time, nearly a year. When a creature of the earth, which was a kind of worm, ate through the stick, it became weak and fell to the ground. Then it became apparent that he had died a long time before. It also became clear to Jinn and men alike that the Jinn do not know the Unseen as they (the Jinn) used to imagine and tried to deceive people. This is what Allah says:



If you need the Arabic version, please go to https://quranx.com/tafsirs/ 34.14

I can't paste the Tafsirs in Arabic as seun's Nairaland bots will ban my account.



So, am telling lies against your religion or saying exactly what majority of your scholars interpret the Qur'an to mean?

You own me an apology sir!

TenQ:
Aren't they easy to find?

If you are hungry for Arabic, go to
https://www.altafsir.com/


Only a person who has things to hide rambles around like you.

It's just like me asking you to post the Greek or Hebrew manuscript of the Bible to assent to a point.

Show by screenshot or exact web address the arabic tafsir.

Prove your integrity to your brethren, friends and followers.

TenQ:
If I lie about any point here challenge it
*Any God that must first take his slaves to hell fire is non other than satan
*And a fool is one who doesn't know that it is worse than sacrilege if his God is so ignorant he thought that the sun set in some murky waters.
*Is it not scandalous for a God to think that women have reproductive fluid coming from their ribs.
*Is it not disgraceful for a persons God to say Alhamdullilah: to who?
*Is it not shameful is a persons God will ask his worshippers to do Halal prostitution?
*Is it not a fraud if a persons God claim to be the God of Israel and doesn't know Yahweh!
*Is it not a disgrace for a God to claim that Solomon died standing on a walking stick for almost a year as your scholars have reported.
*Is it not shameful that a God claims that Ants spoke when Ants do not speak?
*Is it not disgraceful that a persons God cannot raise the dead or say who killed the dead because he doesn't know the answer!
*Is it not disgraceful to have a God whose Apostle was accused of stealing underwear but he couldn't say who stole the underwear?
*A God who raises the dead with the carcass of a cow cannot be God
* Any God who cannot answer simple questions like : "What about the Spirit" is at best IGNORANT and lacking in knowledge.
*A local God that must be prayed to with Arabic language is not better than the local Deities like Ogun or Oya or Amadioha.
*Any God that is localized is an IDOL whose oneness is not different from the oneness of Iblis
*Any God who can be carried by 8 Angels is a LIMITED God.
*It is not fitting that a Self acclaimed God will ascribe story's and fables of the ancients as true stories.

Oya!
Compare your God to human beings who can report the same events different because of their different point of view

You have not one iota of shame. That a God (who is not a human being) can accumulate such an assembly of Failures and Goofs and still claim to be something!

This is why ALL slaves of this particular God has to tell lies to protect his image.



Finally,
All these to EVADE my Questions?
Don't bury Qur'an 27:18-19 is this historically true or false
What did the Ant say?
What was Solomon's response?

Answer my questions, then I promise to answer your lame objections if you still care

Usual style of a liar to divert into other things outside the immediate issue in discuss.

Do you know what an allegory Is?

How many times will I ask you to write out the text of Quran 27:18-19 and you refuse to state it? It seems you are hiding from exposing your lie yourself. Keep hiding and continue lying

Proverbs 12:22: Lying lips are an abomination to the Lord, but those who act faithfully are his delight.

This will apply to writing isn't it?

Exodus 20:16 (From the 10 Commandments) - You must not lie.

Proverbs 6:12-13 - Let me describe for you a worthless and a wicked man; first, he is a constant liar; he signals his true intentions to his friends with eyes and feet and fingers.


Proverbs 6:16-19 - For there are six things the Lord hates—no, seven: haughtiness, lying, murdering, plotting evil, eagerness to do wrong, a false witness, sowing discord among brothers.

2 Chronicles 2: He conscripted 70,000 men as carriers and 80,000 as stonecutters in the hills and 3,600 as foremen over them

2 Chronicles 18 He assigned 70,000 of them to be carriers and 80,000 to be stonecutters in the hills, with 3,600 foremen over them to keep the people working.

1 Kings 5:
14 He sent them off to Lebanon in shifts of ten thousand a month, so that they spent one month in Lebanon and two months at home. Adoniram was in charge of the forced labor.

15 Solomon had seventy thousand carriers and eighty thousand stonecutters in the hills, 16 as well as thirty-three hundred[3300] foremen who supervised the project and directed the workers.

These verses are of your Bible aren't they?
Which is correct 3300 or 3600 foremen?

Is it not the same project?

Whatever is built on falsehood cannot stand or yield the desired result.

Enjoy your life and hopefully with less lies.

TenQ:
The Tafsirs are well sourced. If you are interested in the Arabic, look for it as I am not an Arab.

Otherwise, query the Islamic source where I took the three Tafsirs.Go fight with them for not showing the Arabic text

BTW
Did I not show you where to get the Arabic text of most Tafsirs if you wanted?
But no!
You don't want that because you despise the Truth!

A leopard can't change it's spots. You maintain the lie that you show where the arabic tafsir is yet what is seen there is arabic text of the Quran.

Have your lies confused you to equate Tafsir to Quran?

You cannot screenshot the arabic tafsir from your source that exposes your lies and still have audacity to speak?

TenQ:
If this is your proof of the statement of
details of the post where I said that Solomon and the Ants had a conversation, your case is beyond redemption as a shameless LIAR feigning DUMBNESS to sell a fraudulent narrative.


I am not surprised because this is ISLAM in it's summary: the Religion of Lies and Liars!


All these to EVADE my Questions?
Don't bury Qur'an 27:18-19 is this historically true or false
What did the Ant say?
What was Solomon's response?

TenQ:
1. Solomon started building the temple

1Kin 6:1:
"And it came to pass in the four hundred and eightieth year after the children of Israel were come out of the land of Egypt, in the fourth year of Solomon's reign over Israel, in the month Zif, which is the second month, that he began to build the house of the LORD."

2. Solomon completed building the Temple after 7 years of building

1Kin 6:38:
"And in the eleventh year, in the month Bul, which is the eighth month, was the house finished throughout all the parts thereof, and according to all the fashion of it. So was he seven years in building it."

3. Solomon furnished the Temple
1Kin 7:13-14:
"And king Solomon sent and fetched Hiram out of Tyre. He was a widow's son of the tribe of Naphtali, and his father was a man of Tyre, a worker in brass: and he was filled with wisdom, and understanding, and cunning to work all works in brass. And he came to king Solomon, and worked all his work."

4. Solomon dedicated the Temple
1Kin 8:10-11:
"And it came to pass, when the priests were come out of the holy place, that the cloud filled the house of the LORD, So that the priests could not stand to minister because of the cloud: for the glory of the LORD had filled the house of the LORD."

5. Gods response to Solomon after he had dedicated the Temple

1Kin 9:1:
"And it came to pass, when Solomon had finished the building of the house of the LORD, and the king's house, and all Solomon's desire which he was pleased to do,"




So, how are you Sure that Solomon did NOT complete the "mosque "?

Please read 1 Kings chapter 6, 7, 8 and 9 and tell me if you found any Jinn among the workmen?


Where did you get your story?

One of these contradictions is that the First Book of Kings states that the number of Solomon’s chief officers or foremen, who supervised the workers, was 3300 men (1 Kings 5:14-16).

In the Second Book of Chronicles, it says that the number was 3600 (2 Chronicles 2:2, 18).

They claim that these books are a revelation from God to the prophets who came after Solomon, so it is impossible that there could be any difference or contradiction between them.

The Bible says that the temple was sixty cubits long (approximately 30 metres); it was twenty cubits (10 metres) wide, and thirty cubits (15 metres) high. The porch (courtyard) in front of it was twenty cubits long and ten cubits wide.
1 Kings 6; 2 Chronicles 3.

The amount of gold used was one hundred thousand talents [a talent is equivalent to approximately 16 g], in other words, 1.6 tons of gold!

The amount of silver was one million talents; in other words, 16 tons of silver!

The amount of iron and copper is not mentioned, because it was a huge amount, and the amount of wood and stone used was even more than that.

Does it make sense to suggest that all these materials were used, and 180,000 workers participated in its construction for a period of seven years, for the sake of such a small building? Perhaps Architectural and building engineers can make sense of this.

Solomon started building the temple but contradictions on the number of people that supervised the construction; irrationality in fitting the amount of materials used to the size of what was built puts the story you tell into serious question.

TenQ:
If you truly want the truth, you will find it.

You are not an Arab but if you want any Tafsir in Arabic, I will show you the way


https://www.altafsir.com/


Have a great night!

Your link here show verses of the Quran in arabic and English translation of the Tafsir not the arabic. If this is untrue screenshot the tafsir in arabic.

This is where we are before you bring other evading diversions to the building of the Temple.

What is the reason behind your questioning
Qur'an 27:18-19 ? What about it don't you understand.

I expect you to divert again.

TenQ:
Mr Liar
Just look at how you twist my simple question into a statement of the conversation that the ants and Solomon had!
SMH!

Mr Liar, I challenge you to Provide details of the post where I said that Solomon and the Ants had a conversation?



All these to EVADE my Questions?
Don't bury Qur'an 27:18-19 is this historically true or false
What did the Ant say?
What was Solomon's response?

TenQ:
It is good you at least recognise that these are historical records for which modern archeology is proving the factual





1. If Allah had not subscribed to the scripture of the Jews, you would have been taken seriously. Are you admitting that Allah was wrong about the earlier scriptures?
2. The Bible us not a dictation by God but men taking down records of events they witnessed with respect to how God related with them when they obeyed or disobeyed Him. Unlike the Qur'an which just one discrepancy is enough to prove that it is NOT from God for God is perfect.
3. You may need to present your own historical evidence and eyewitnesses to the event of Solomons kingdom.
4. Please don't forget to add the other fables of
A. Solomon's flying carpet:
From your true source, How true is this fable?
B.Solomon's conversation with the Ants
From your true source, How true is this fable?
C. Solomon's magic ring and how Iblis stole it
From your true source, How true is this fable?
D. Solomon's Army of Birds, Jinn and soldiers
From your true source, How true is this fable?
E. Don't forget the head of the Army of Solomon, the hoopoe bird and it's interaction with the queen of sheba
From your true source, How true is this fable?

If your source is correct, will you also be willing to substantiate these Jewish children bedtime stories in your source?


Shall we put your sources to test?
I expect you to pick race

TenQ:
The fact that some people claimed that Buhari was one certain El-Sudan does not make it true.
I guess you concur that Allah was wrong in the Qur'an for subscribing to our Books!


You don't seem to get it
If the Bible is corrupted, the Qur'an and it's Author is FALSE
If the Bible is TRUE, the Quran and it's Author is still FALSE!
There is no going round it!

Let me help you out with one

Did Ants and Solomon actually had a conversation?

Yes or No!

Is this in red not you repeating your view of Solomon and ants having a conversation you claim was had?

TenQ:
The fact that some people claimed that Buhari was one certain El-Sudan does not make it true.
I guess you concur that Allah was wrong in the Qur'an for subscribing to our Books!


You don't seem to get it
If the Bible is corrupted, the Qur'an and it's Author is FALSE
If the Bible is TRUE, the Quran and it's Author is still FALSE!
There is no going round it!

Let me help you out with one

Did Ants and Solomon actually had a conversation?

Yes or No!

TenQ:
It is more serious to see that
1. Allah goofed seriously about the Bible showing that he is fake and his knowledge does not go beyond what is expected from an unlearned 6th century man
AND
2. You contemporary Muslims are now more wiser and more knowledgeable than both Allah and your prophet Mohammad.

You indeed have made my day



Is this true Qur'an 27:18-19
What did the Ant say?
What was Solomon's response?

Do you not point to this verse to support your lie that Solomon and ant had a conversation?

TenQ:
See the slave of the Al-Makr saying that someone is lying when according to most Muslims your hadiths are mostly fraudulent and fabrications. A religion when Muhammad went to paradise on Al-Burak that no one saw to this day first to a Mosque that doesn't exist again. From inception Muslims have been lying both to themselves and others

Do you know where the sun set?
The answer to the Question was a LIE by no other than your esteemed prophet!
Does the sun set in the murky waters?
By your comprehension, you will say this question is a LIE too!
SMH!


One can go on and on. Without Lies, Islam DIES!
Islam must reinvent history to survive.

Tell me, can my Question be a LIE when the answer was straightforward YES or NO?
Is the YES the lie or the NO?

All these to EVADE my Questions?
Don't bury Qur'an 27:18-19 is this historically true or false
What did the Ant say?
What was Solomon's response?

It's the same spirit disturbing you Muslims and Atheists: same spirit!

TenQ:
Let me help you out with one
Did the Ants and Solomon actually had a conversation?

Yes or No !

Are you afraid?

Provide details of the conversation you lie that the Ants and Solomon had.

TenQ:
Why are you afraid?
Don't bury Qur'an 27:18-19 is this historically true or false
What did the Ant say?
What was Solomon's response?

Don't twist my words"
Allah did not reportedly mention the bible because he is IGNORANT of the fact that the Bible contained ALL the Books of the Jews and ALL the Books of the Christians from ALL their prophets.

So, you don't know that the Bible is a compilation several books?
SMH!

How Allah couldn't know the difference between Scripture and Jewish children bedtime stories is puzzling .

TenQ:
Let me help you out with one
Did the Ants and Solomon actually had a conversation?

Yes or No !

Are you afraid?

When many lies are told the previous lie can easily get forgotten.

Your post above alludes to Ants and Solomon having a conversation.

TenQ:
The fact that some people claimed that Buhari was one certain El-Sudan does not make it true.
I guess you concur that Allah was wrong in the Qur'an for subscribing to our Books!


You don't seem to get it
If the Bible is corrupted, the Qur'an and it's Author is FALSE
If the Bible is TRUE, the Quran and it's Author is still FALSE!
There is no going round it!

Let me help you out with one

Did Ants and Solomon actually had a conversation?

Yes or No!

TenQ:
2. The Bible us not a dictation by God but men taking down records of events they witnessed with respect to how God related with them when they obeyed or disobeyed Him. Unlike the Qur'an which just one discrepancy is enough to prove that it is NOT from God for God is perfect.

B. Solomon's conversation with the Ants
From your true source, How true is this fable?

From the emboldened all your lies precede and you continue to uphold them. Tell me how an honest conversation can be had with you or do I need to relearn what honest means.

TenQ:
Allah did not reportedly mention the bible because he is IGNORANT of the fact that the Bible contained ALL the Books of the Jews and ALL the Books of the Christians from ALL their prophets.

Does Allah even know that the Torah is compilation of FIVE Books?

Please deal with the fact that in 2024, you discovered that you are more knowledgeable than Allah and his Mohammed combined.


Don't bury Qur'an 27:18-19 is this historically true or false
What did the Ant say?
What was Solomon's response?
How Allah couldn't know the difference between Scripture and Jewish children bedtime stories is puzzling .

You see yourself. Allah is ignorant of the Bible meaning he doesn't know about the Bible. How then will he goof about what he doesn't know about. Best I know Allah didn't mention the Bible. Again you distort the truth by saying the Bible contains books.

All in your view to defend the lie you used to defend your view of Solomon's temple?

Present the full verse and stop sharing your viewpoint. Did the ant speak to Solomon and Solomon respond to the ant?

TenQ:
It is more serious to see that
1. Allah goofed seriously about the Bible showing that he is fake and his knowledge does not go beyond what is expected from an unlearned 6th century man
AND
2. You contemporary Muslims are now more wiser and more knowledgeable than both Allah and your prophet Mohammad.

You indeed have made my day



Is this true Qur'an 27:18-19
What did the Ant say?
What was Solomon's response?

Repeated dishonesty doesn't become truth.
1. Allah did not categorically mention bibles.

2. Do you covet [the hope, O believers], that they would believe for you while a party of them used to hear the words of Allah and then distort the Torah after they had understood it while they were knowing? Quran 2:75

So woe to those who write the "scripture" with their own hands, then say, "This is from Allah ," in order to exchange it for a small price. Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn. Quran 2:79
Torah ≠ Bible

Write out the translation of the meaning of the verse Qur'an 27:18-19 or preferably the arabic let's see what it says compared to what you claim it says. Show that you too are not trying to distort

TenQ:
Not if Allah supports the Bible except you admit that Allah goofed.

Since Muslims are so DULL in understanding, Let me describe your logic with the Islamic Dawah script

News Source ONE: Wikipedia
Dana Air
On 3 June 2012, a Dana Air McDonnell Douglas MD-83 operating as Flight 0992 crashed into a two-story building at Iju Railway, Ishaga, a suburb of Lagos. All 153 people on the aircraft were killed. Following the crash, all flights by Dana Air were halted by Nigeria's Civil Aviation Authority (NCAA).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dana_Air

News Source TWO:Wikipedia
Dana Air Flight 0992
Dana Air Flight 0992 was a scheduled Nigerian domestic passenger flight from Abuja to Lagos, Nigeria. On 3 June 2012, the McDonnell Douglas MD-83 aircraft serving the route suffered a dual-engine failure during its approach to Lagos. It failed to reach its intended destination and crashed onto buildings, killing all 153 people on board and six on the ground. With 159 deaths, it remains the deadliest commercial airliner crash in Nigerian history since the Kano air disaster in 1973.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dana_Air_Flight_0992


News Source THREE
List of passengers on board DANA Air flight: Channels TV News
The McDonnell Douglas MD-83 passenger plane crashed into a two-story building in Iju-Ishaga, a densely populated suburb in Lagos state.
There were 146 passengers and six crew members aboard the flight.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.channelstv.com/2012/06/04/list-of-passengers-on-board-dana-air-flight/amp/


Islamic Dawah and Logical Conclusion
There was nothing like a Dana Airline Crash in 2012 because the news say 153, 159 and 146 people died in the crash.
Instead, it was a Luxurious Bus from Onitsha to Aba that had an accident killing 200 people

Can you see your Logic and Intelligence exemplified above?

Unlike your Qur'an that was the Direct Words from Allah (aka Mohammed), The Bible us not a dictation by God but men taking down records of events they witnessed with respect to how God related with them when they obeyed or disobeyed Him. Unlike the Qur'an which just one discrepancy is enough to prove that it is NOT from God for God is perfect.




You still don't seem to get it
1. If the Bible is corrupted, the Qur'an and it's Author is FALSE
2. If the Bible is TRUE, the Quran and it's Author is still FALSE!
There is no going round it!

Let me help you out with one
Did the Ants and Solomon actually had a conversation?

Yes or No !

Are you afraid?

There you go again. Your bible goofed in providing two different numberings. Which of them is correct? When we can't see consistency there how then can there be a truth regarding the Bible narration about the Temple built by Solomon?


Whay makes a conversation between 2 people ? What did the ant say to Solomon and what did he say to the ant?

TenQ:
The fact that some people claimed that Buhari was one certain El-Sudan does not make it true.
I guess you concur that Allah was wrong in the Qur'an for subscribing to our Books!


You don't seem to get it
If the Bible is corrupted, the Qur'an and it's Author is FALSE
If the Bible is TRUE, the Quran and it's Author is still FALSE!
There is no going round it!

Let me help you out with one

Did Ants and Solomon actually had a conversation?

Yes or No!

Can't you simply accept the error of your Bible mentioning a 3300 count then 3600 elsewhere for the same count?

Is one of these or both of them a lie?

Don't deflect and if you do first answer which is correct.

TenQ:
[s]It is good you at least recognise that these are historical records for which modern archeology is proving the factual
[/s]




1. If Allah had not subscribed to the scripture of the Jews, you would have been taken seriously. Are you admitting that Allah was wrong about the earlier scriptures?
2. The Bible us not a dictation by God but men taking down records of events they witnessed with respect to how God related with them when they obeyed or disobeyed Him. Unlike the Qur'an which just one discrepancy is enough to prove that it is NOT from God for God is perfect.
3. You may need to present your own historical evidence and eyewitnesses to the event of Solomons kingdom.
4. Please don't forget to add the other fables of
A. Solomon's flying carpet:
From your true source, How true is this fable?
B. Solomon's conversation with the Ants
From your true source, How true is this fable?
C. Solomon's magic ring and how Iblis stole it
From your true source, How true is this fable?
D. Solomon's Army of Birds, Jinn and soldiers
From your true source, How true is this fable?
E. Don't forget the head of the Army of Solomon, the hoopoe bird and it's interaction with the queen of sheba
From your true source, How true is this fable?

If your source is correct, will you also be willing to substantiate these Jewish children bedtime stories in your source?


Shall we put your sources to test?
I expect you to pick race

Ohyoudidnt:
Studies on these texts often involves critical analysis that questions their historicity. Some scholars argue that the accounts in these books may have been shaped by theological or ideological motives rather than strict historical accuracy. They point out discrepancies, contradictions, and anachronisms within the texts that raise doubts about their reliability as straightforward historical records.

Select and discard as is true to you and your forerunners that collected what you have as Jewish and Christian literature. I bet you don't understand the former paragraph and conclude wrongly that the historicity of your biblical collection is open to questions.


In any case you failed to address the actual concerns about the number of supervisors or is it typo? Neither do you address the quantity of materials allegedly used. Were these stolen?

I only wanted to bring it to your notice in case you never noticed before. Kindly have a rest and just maybe we may chat again when you have pure unquestionable facts.

TenQ:
1. Solomon started building the temple

1Kin 6:1:
"And it came to pass in the four hundred and eightieth year after the children of Israel were come out of the land of Egypt, in the fourth year of Solomon's reign over Israel, in the month Zif, which is the second month, that he began to build the house of the LORD."

2. Solomon completed building the Temple after 7 years of building

1Kin 6:38:
"And in the eleventh year, in the month Bul, which is the eighth month, was the house finished throughout all the parts thereof, and according to all the fashion of it. So was he seven years in building it."

3. Solomon furnished the Temple
1Kin 7:13-14:
"And king Solomon sent and fetched Hiram out of Tyre. He was a widow's son of the tribe of Naphtali, and his father was a man of Tyre, a worker in brass: and he was filled with wisdom, and understanding, and cunning to work all works in brass. And he came to king Solomon, and worked all his work."

4. Solomon dedicated the Temple
1Kin 8:10-11:
"And it came to pass, when the priests were come out of the holy place, that the cloud filled the house of the LORD, So that the priests could not stand to minister because of the cloud: for the glory of the LORD had filled the house of the LORD."

5. Gods response to Solomon after he had dedicated the Temple

1Kin 9:1:
"And it came to pass, when Solomon had finished the building of the house of the LORD, and the king's house, and all Solomon's desire which he was pleased to do,"




So, how are you Sure that Solomon did NOT complete the "mosque "?

Please read 1 Kings chapter 6, 7, 8 and 9 and tell me if you found any Jinn among the workmen?


Where did you get your story?

The Books of Samuel and Kings are part of the historical books in the Old Testament of the Bible. They cover a significant period in Israelite history, including the transition from a confederation of tribes to a centralized monarchy under kings like Saul, David, and Solomon. These books contain narratives about political events, military campaigns, religious reforms, and interactions with neighboring nations.

Studies on these texts often involves critical analysis that questions their historicity. Some scholars argue that the accounts in these books may have been shaped by theological or ideological motives rather than strict historical accuracy. They point out discrepancies, contradictions, and anachronisms within the texts that raise doubts about their reliability as straightforward historical records.

One of these contradictions is that the First Book of Kings states that the number of Solomon’s chief officers or foremen, who supervised the workers, was 3300 men (1 Kings 5:14-16).

In the Second Book of Chronicles, it says that the number was 3600 (2 Chronicles 2:2, 18).

They claim that these books are a revelation from God to the prophets who came after Solomon, so it is impossible that there could be any difference or contradiction between them.

The Bible says that the temple was sixty cubits long (approximately 30 metres); it was twenty cubits (10 metres) wide, and thirty cubits (15 metres) high. The porch (courtyard) in front of it was twenty cubits long and ten cubits wide.
1 Kings 6; 2 Chronicles 3.

The amount of gold used was one hundred thousand talents [a talent is equivalent to approximately 16 g], in other words, 1.6 tons of gold!

The amount of silver was one million talents; in other words, 16 tons of silver!

The amount of iron and copper is not mentioned, because it was a huge amount, and the amount of wood and stone used was even more than that.

Does it make sense to suggest that all these materials were used, and 180,000 workers participated in its construction for a period of seven years, for the sake of such a small building? Perhaps Architectural and building engineers can make sense of this.

annyplenty:
Nobody can say for sure because the scripture did not mention the reason, explicitly, but it could be that because Ishmael was not gotten through the promise of God. Perhaps, God did not reckon with Him

It could also be that God could have seen that Satan might plan to steal the covenant that God plan to transfer f on Abraham to His offspring, as we can see now, that the muslims are claiming that it was Ishmael God asked Abraham to sacrifice when in actual fact, it was Isaac.

Interesting concept of your god here. Perhaps you can also show where Abraham was rebuked for this and why the child was allowed to live?

Friendly reminder. I see your demons have gathered a lot of mass.

Ohyoudidnt:
I appeal to all my brothers and sisters in Islam to henceforth ignore TENQ and his stupid behaviour and foolish questions.

Maybe then the demons troubling him will give him a rest

TenQ:
Questionable texts translated by honourable Muslims!?

For any seeker of the truth, all you needed to do was to verify that Ibn-Abbas, Ibn-Kathir and Al-Jalalayn said or did NOT say what was attributed to them.

Now, what you do with the knowledge of the truth is up to you. You can choose (as usual) to disregard the truth or to think deeper perhaps there are other hidden things you should know about

Present the arabic text of the Tafsir.
We need to ascertain that there was nothing added or subtracted in the translation.

Let it not be like your manual from Hebrew, Aramaic, Yidish to Greek to English or Latin in whichever order.

It's easy to put something up and allege authorship to another.

This isn't a case of Pseudepigrapha

TenQ:
I thought I made it clear that your Muslim scholars translated the Tafsirs AND I gave you the link to cross-check.

Muslims and deception are five and six.

If you need the Arabic, look for them and tell me if the translations are DIFFERENT! then come back and engage me.


Are you disputing the scholars of quranx.com?
Anything to flee the facts in your face.



If you are hungry for Arabic, go to
https://www.altafsir.com/

You now hide away by putting my question back to me?

Continge in your confusion of English translation for actual arabic and keep promoting questionable text that suit your mischief.

It will get you no where.

TenQ:
For your information, I did NOT translate the Tafsirs. It was your islamic scholars that did the translation.

I presented exactly where you will find their translation for you

https://quranx.com/tafsirs/34.14


So, it's not about me not understanding Arabic, it is about your scholars as you seem to be better than them in knowledge

But you lied that the arabic there is from the Tafsir while it's the Quran. Why present false information?

I ask you for tafsir in arabic and you are having diarrhoea or what?

TenQ:
I want to address this your fable

1. What is the source of this story?
2. If this story is correct, it means that Solomon did not see the end of the construction of the Masjid al-Aqsa (the Farthest Mosque)

Am I correct?

Yes Solomon didn't see the end as before the actual completion he has passed.


Although Sulaiman (as) passed away while rebuilding the Masjid, Allah still answered his du’a, by ensuring the rebuilding work didn’t stop!

TenQ:
The link I shared contains the Arabic text sir check.
If you need the Arabic version, please go to https://quranx.com/tafsirs/34.14


Is Ibn-Abbas not supposed to understand the Qur'an beyond most men?
Is this hadith untrue aboutIbn-Abbas?
Musnad Aḥmad 2879
Ibn Abbas reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, put his hand on my shoulder and he said, “O Allah, give him understanding in religion and teach him the interpretation of the Quran.”

Here you are rejecting his Tafsir!




You are definitely in trouble as three of your greatest scholars support my position.

True to self. When you don't know arabic you cannot discern the arabic there is part of Surah 34:14.

Educate yourself and your followers please. The arabic there is not tafsir but actual verse of the Quran. Place it side by side the verse Quran 34:14


The screenshot tells you your Tafsir Ibn Abass is of queried authenticity

If not for diversion from the truth why go to exegesis saying what isn't written in the verse?
Does any of these translations of the meaning of the arabic verse say anything like a year?


-----Syed Abul Ala Maududi-----

When We executed Our decree of death on Solomon, nothing indicated to the jinn that he was dead except a worm eating away his staff. So when Solomon fell down, the jinn realised that had they known what lies in the realm beyond perception, they would not have continued to be in this humiliating chastisement.

-----Safi-ur-Rehman Mubarakpuri-----

Then when We decreed death for him, nothing informed them (Jinn) of his death except a little worm of the earth which kept (slowly) gnawing away at his stick. So when he fell down, the Jinn saw clearly that if they had known the Unseen, they would not have stayed in the humiliating torment.

-----Muhammad Pickthall-----

And when We decreed death for him, nothing showed his death to them save a creeping creature of the earth which gnawed away his staff. And when he fell the jinn saw clearly how, if they had known the Unseen, they would not have continued in despised toil.

-----Saheeh International-----

And when We decreed for Solomon death, nothing indicated to the jinn his death except a creature of the earth eating his staff. But when he fell, it became clear to the jinn that if they had known the unseen, they would not have remained in humiliating punishment.

-----Muhammad Sarwar-----

When We decreed that Solomon should die, no one knew of his death except for a creeping creature of the earth who ate-up his staff. When he fell down, the jinn realized that if they had known about the unseen, they would not have remained in such a humiliating torment for so long.

-----Muhammad Shakir-----

But when We decreed death for him, naught showed them his death but a creature of the earth that ate away his staff; and when it fell down, the jinn came to know plainly that if they had known the unseen, they would not have tarried in abasing torment.

-----Abdul Majid Daryabadi-----

Then when We decreed death for him, naught discovered his death to them' save a moving creature of the earth which gnawed away his staff. Then when he fell, the Jinn clearly perceived that, if they had known the unseen they would not have tarried in the ignominious torment.

-----Yusuf Ali-----

Then, when We decreed (Solomon's) death, nothing showed them his death except a little worm of the earth, which kept (slowly) gnawing away at his staff: so when he fell down, the Jinns saw plainly that if they had known the unseen, they would not have tarried in the humiliating Penalty (of their Task).

Al-Quran - Surah 34 - Saba - Ayah 14

It has been long but Allah will continue denying you mischief makers success.

TenQ:
1. Show me where I said ONE YEAR: because I have always consistently said almost one year because not every Tafsir say exactly one year.

2. What I have said is that your scholars agree with me and not you! Are you better than your scholars?

Nevertheless,
Is Al-Jalalayn Wrong?
34.14 Jalal - Al-Jalalayn
And when We decreed for him, for Solomon, death, in other words, [when] he died — he remained supported against his staff an entire year, while the jinn continued to toil in hard labour as was customary, unaware of his death, until [finally] when a termite ate through his staff, he fell to the ground [and was seen to be] dead — nothing indicated to them that he had died except a termite (al-ard is the verbal noun from uridat al-khashaba, passive verbal form, in other words, ‘it [the piece of wood] was eaten away by a termite [al-arada]’) that gnawed away at his staff (read minsa’atahu or minsātahu, replacing the hamza with an alif, meaning a ‘staff’, so called because [when describing it one would say] yunsa’u bihā, to mean it is used to repel or drive away [creatures]’)....


Is Ibn-Abbas Wrong?

34.14 Abbas - Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs
(And when We decreed death for him) for Solomon, Solomon died and remained standing in his retreat for a year (nothing showed his death) the death of Solomon (to them save a creeping creature of the earth) a woodworm (which gnawed away his staff) and it is said: his short spear. (And when he fell) when Solomon fell to the ground (the jinn saw clearly how) the jinn and human beings saw clearly that they do not know the unseen, (if they had known the unseen, they would not have continued in despised toil) they would not have continued in their subservience. People thought before this that the jinn knew the unseen but when they saw this they realised that they did not

Is Ibn-Kathir Wrong
34.14 Kathir - Ibn Al Kathir
The Death of Sulayman
Allah tells us how Sulayman, peace be upon him, died and how Allah concealed his death from the Jinn who were subjugated to him to do hard labor. He remained leaning on his stick, which was his staff, as Ibn `Abbas may Allah be pleased with him, Mujahid, Al-Hasan, Qatadah and others said. He stayed like that for a long time, nearly a year. When a creature of the earth, which was a kind of worm, ate through the stick, it became weak and fell to the ground. Then it became apparent that he had died a long time before. It also became clear to Jinn and men alike that the Jinn do not know the Unseen as they (the Jinn) used to imagine and tried to deceive people. This is what Allah says:



If you need the Arabic version, please go to https://quranx.com/tafsirs/ 34.14

I can't paste the Tafsirs in Arabic as seun's Nairaland bots will ban my account.



So, am telling lies against your religion or saying exactly what majority of your scholars interpret the Qur'an to mean?

You own me an apology sir!

You see your ignorance. What is a year? Is this not singular?

In any case kindly provide the actual arabic tafsir of these scholars for translation analysis? How many scholars agree with you?


Surely you never read this:

Hz. Sulayman started the construction of a big temple during the last years of his reign. The jinn worked very hard in the construction of this temple called Masjid al-Aqsa (the Farthest Mosque) and Bayt al-Maqdis (the Holy House), which is regarded as the holiest temple after the Kaaba.

One day, Hz. Sulayman was checking their work leaning on his walking stick. The construction of the temple was about to finish. The jinn were very tired and wanted to rest.

However, Hz. Sulayman was watching them leaning on his walking stick; therefore, they did not dare to stop. Meanwhile, Hz. Azrail arrived and took his spirit. The jinn, who thought they knew about the unknown, thought he was alive and continued working although they were tired. This situation lasted for days. A woodworm started to gnaw the walking stick of the Prophet Sulayman days ago. When the construction of the temple ended, the woodworm finished gnawing the stick. The stick broke and Hz. Sulayman fell down. Only then did the people and the jinn notice that he had died. If the woodworm had not gnawed the stick, nobody would have known that he had died. Upon this incident, the jinn spoke as follows:

"If we knew the unknown, we would have known about the death of the Prophet Sulayman." It became apparent that they did not know about the unknown.


Unfortunately the link you share doesn't contain the actual arabic tafsir. It presents some of the Quran text in arabic not the tafsir in arabic. Don't play smart!

TenQ:
Will you apologise to me if I show your sources showing that Solomon died standing for almost one year?

What will the apology do for you? Anyway show it first

Ohyoudidnt:
What arabic or translation says 1 year in the verse?

Write out your Tafsir showing 1 year and prove they categorically say 1year.

TenQ:
I am surprised you didn't know that Allah said he died for ALMOST one year before he was discoverd.
Quran 34:14
And when We decreed death for him, nothing showed his death to them save a creeping creature of the earth which gnawed away his staff. And when he fell the jinn saw clearly how, if they had known the Unseen, they would not have continued in despised toil.

The three scholars of Islam were unanimous in their commentaries that it was almost a year
1. Tafsir Ibn Kathir Qur'an 34:14
2. Tafsir Ibn ‘Abbâs Qur'an 34:14
3. Tafsir Al-Jalalayn Qur'an 34:14

If you disagree that his death was NOT almost a year, can you tell us how many minutes it took for Solomon's death to be a miracle?





Where did your scholars got the almost one year timeline? Were they fabricating history?

I have brought three witnesses to support my position, where are your witnesses?



Awn!
What an argument?
Did you not see that I wrote FOUR accounts from four different cultures including ARABIC from Allah?

The three scholars of Islam were unanimous in their commentaries

1. Tafsir Ibn Kathir Qur'an 34:14
2. Tafsir Ibn ‘Abbâs Qur'an 34:14
3. Tafsir Al-Jalalayn Qur'an 34:14

مَا دَلَّهُمْ عَلَى مَوْتِهِ إِلاَّ دَابَّةُ الاٌّرْضِ تَأْكُلُ مِنسَأَتَهُ فَلَمَّا خَرَّ تَبَيَّنَتِ الْجِنُّ أَن لَّوْ كَانُواْ يَعْلَمُونَ الْغَيْبَ مَا لَبِثُواْ فِى الْعَذَابِ الْمُهِينِ﴾
(nothing informed them (Jinn) of his death except a little worm of the earth which kept (slowly) gnawing away at his stick. So when he fell down, the Jinn saw clearly that if they had known the Unseen, they would not have stayed in the humiliating torment.) meaning, it became clear to the people that they (the Jinn) were lying.

Above is the arabic text and meaning in English. Please point out 1 year.

Then you mention 3 witnesses. Witnesses to what please? I see you are confusing witnesses and scholars. SMH.

In any case you present translations though I doubt any of these scholars presented their exegesis in English language.