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SIRTee15:
I've seen U oga...
Now answer my question..

U guys claim Muhammed told U guys to be licking the black stone. No problem.

But if U see a traditional worshipper kissing an ancestral sacred stone..is it idolatry?

You will need to provide clear proof that any pagan rights involve the licking of a stone.

Bear in mind that there's no compulsion or order for Muslims to lick any stone.

Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “How can you worship besides Allah those who can neither harm nor benefit you? And Allah ˹alone˺ is the All-Hearing, All-Knowing.” Q5:76

He rebuked ˹them˺, “Do you then worship—instead of Allah—what can neither benefit nor harm you in any way? Q21:66

Licking a stone is not a form of worship among pagans. Ritual practices and offerings in pagan traditions typically involve gestures such as leaving natural offerings like flowers, ribbons, honey, milk, or personal items at sacred sites. Licking a stone does not align with traditional pagan rituals or customs.

elhakiimed:
Again, deliberate attempt to misinform. If you can find one single Muslim that say they worship that stone, then we get talk.

Don't mind their cherry picking the words of men they call hadith that goes against themselves and the Quran.

Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “How can you worship besides Allah those who can neither harm nor benefit you? And Allah ˹alone˺ is the All-Hearing, All-Knowing.” Q5:76

He rebuked ˹them˺, “Do you then worship—instead of Allah—what can neither benefit nor harm you in any way? Q21:66

Ignoring other hadith

It was narrated that ‘Umar (may Allah be pleased with him) came to the Black Stone and kissed it, then he said: “I know that you are only a stone which can neither bring benefit nor cause harm. Were it not that I had seen the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) kiss you, I would not have kissed you.”

MaxInDHouse:
Abraham, Isaac and Jacob!
That's the lineage to produce the Messiah!
As for Adam who died at the age of 930 years i hope you can imagine how ugly and sickly he will be at such an age!

You answer your own question and not what I exactly asked.

What's the Hebrew word for Messiah and how many times does it occur in the Bible?

MaxInDHouse:
If you want to know the first thing to do is read with keen interest not biased mindset.

The Bible foretold that the Messiah will rule forever {Isaiah 9:6-7} but the Messiah will have to come back to complete the job because he will be killed!Daniel 9:26
WHY? Because his disciples must preach and teach globally to gather obedient mankind for him to start his rulership after destroying all rebellious people! Daniel 2:44 compare to Luke 19:27
So the whole assignment won't take place at the same time!

Guy nobody grow old without getting sick as they will become weaker and weaker until they are not able to walk as they do so it's sickness called "OLDAGE" that leads to DEATH!

I live you to research and understand reasons why Jesus doesn’t fit the writings of Daniel 9.

Perhaps your Bible should have said clearly that old age brings sickness that ends with death.

Adam lived to over 900years please tell what ailment caused his death?

Is your submission not questionable when non old people die from sickness as it seems you make a rule about old age, sickness and death.

MaxInDHouse:
Government WILL rest on his shoulder is a prophecy that's yet unfulfilled but we can see it coming gradually as his true followers are gathering obedient people throughout the world to form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

Today JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES have successfully gathered millions of peace lovers globally in preparation for the new government that Christ Jesus will soon start.
In fact some honest hearted individuals are saying it that if only Jehovah's Witnesses are on this planet life on earth will be a haven.

So it's you who can't see how Jesus is gradually achieving what God said about him because he said he will be with his true followers until the end of badness! Matthew 28:20

Therefore if you can see a global family making peace reign among them yet you're sticking to a religion that can't work out peace with all their book, act of worship and claims it's left to you!

Why doesn't the alleged prophesy not say he will come then depart then come again before government will be placed upon his shoulder?

MaxInDHouse:
Truth should be put side by side with falsehood that's the only way you can distinguish otherwise you will continue to lie deceiving yourself.

When God created Adam and Eve they were given a home and they lack nothing from that we can sense what God has in mind for the couple. Today mankind (their descendants) are plagued with sicknesses, suffering, and death so what happened?

Your Quran said they were driven down due to some reasons and ever since then mankind has been facing one problem or another and all these problems will end when mankind return to Aljana.

So between your religion that says the evil things affecting mankind is test from your God and the Christianity that says its consequences of disobedience of the first human pair which one makes sense to you?

Let it make simple sense. Point at a prophet excluding Elisha who died as a result of sickness.

Sickness sometimes leads to death but not all dearh is caused by illness. This also excludes accidents, murder and euthanasia

MaxInDHouse:
OK you believe some part of what he said that suits your religion but ignored those that expose your religion shey?
Continue!

Are you for real? Show the absolute truth and nothing else

MaxInDHouse:
No matter the verse quoted i know people who are deeply rooted in the religion of their parents like you all you're doing is supporting your parents religion.
I quote you argue, i gave you logical reasoning you turn back to quote.
Which means you're just deceiving yourself.

Can you prove your own religion with logical reasoning?
NO!
It's whatever your Arabian Allah say whether it's reasonable or not!

Does the verse or do the verses you quote exactly say sickness is a result of the sin/fall of Adam?

Or can you show where condemnation is equal to or composed of sickness?

MaxInDHouse:
When Jesus returns to take over authority from all human rulers he will destroy them and establish his own righteous rule forever! Daniel 2:44

His disciples were confused when he didn't do that after his resurrection {Act 1:6} he made it clear to them that the warning must go round the earth for mankind in general to humbly accept his counsel and surely individuals from all over the earth will come out from their own race and become his disciples {Act 1:8} it's after this that Jesus will return to exterminate all those who refuse to accept his authority as preached and taught by his disciples! Luke 19:27

Do you get it now?
So don't think because Jesus never started ruling back then it wasn't him that Isaiah was referring to, everything must follow due process in a logical sense!

There's nothing to get. Clearly in the observed records when Jesus existed government didn't rest on his shoulder.

Simple evidence of a verse clearly stating sickness will spare you all this adventure to prove what isn't.

In any case it's your conviction.

MaxInDHouse:
Have you heard of Paradise or Aljana?

Well that's where Jesus will rule globally under his rule will be the time when all those promises will be fulfilled.

No earthly king has ever fulfilled any of those promises even though they were good they can't cure sicknesses or raise the dead like the promised Messiah!

The verses you shared didn't explicitly say sickness or is sickness now synonymous with condemned?

MaxInDHouse:
Judah and Israel lived in security, everyone under his own vine and under his own fig tree, from Dan to Beʹer-sheʹba, all the days of Solʹo·mon. 1King 4:25

Here I will make the declining shadow of the sun on the stairway of Aʹhaz go back ten steps.”’” So the sun went back ten steps on the stairway that it had already descended. Isaiah 38:8

Which of these two agrees with the promises of God that the Messiah will establish righteousness forever? Isaiah 9:6-7

If the Messiah spoken of in Isaiah 9:6-7 is your Jesus please explain the emboldened?

6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

7 Of the greatness of his government and peace there will be no end. He will reign on David’s throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever. The zeal of the Lord Almighty will accomplish this.

Where does this then put 1Kings 4:25 and Isaiah 38:8?

Aemmyjah:
If your common sense will help you understand what comes in our condemned state

Maybe your Allah created humans to fall sick and die

Imperfections alone do not define a condemned state.

The he presence of sickness and disabilities is not inherent in the definition of a condemned state.

Failures alone do not encompass the entire meaning of a condemned state.

Greed too is not an inherent characteristic of a condemned state itself.

How unjust do you try to make God in punishing more likely trillions for the error of 2 persons? Is this not your bid to slander the almighty with an unjust character?

MaxInDHouse:
When God created Adam and Eve there was no room for sickness, suffering or death as they were told:

“Be fruitful and become many, fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving on the earth." Genesis 1:28

Believing in Jesus is not what adherents will get the benefits now because what God promised as benefit for believing in Jesus is EVERLASTING LIFE {John 3:16} those dead among his disciples will be raised back to life when Jesus begin his rule just as he called his friends out from the grave the same thing he will do when he begin ruling the difference is that by then they will no longer grow old, get sick nor die.

As for the kings in Israel there was none who could fit in the description we heard in those verses because the promises said that there will be no sickness {Isaiah 33:24} God will swallow up death {Isaiah 25:8} the earth will be free from evildoers {Psalms 37:9-11} in fact we will remember all their activities but none will be found throughout the earth! Psalms 37:10

Can you think of any king under whose reign the Israelites experienced such things?

Well in God's kingdom there will be no evil person so angels will be on guard everywhere to police the whole earth if humans can make CCTV camera to monitor evildoers what do you expect when God wants to establish righteousness throughout the earth?
In fact angels are everywhere today but they must not intervene in whatever humans are doing to themselves that's why ritualists, armed robbers, hired killers, fraudsters are walking freely after causing lots of pain for people but when God's Kingdom begins under the reign of Christ Jesus no one will be allowed to hurt another person! Isaiah 11:9

So sicknesses, suffering and death we are seeing today is due to Adamic sin inherited by all his descendants. When God removes Adamic sin nothing of such will be here again!

Still spinning an extensive and extraneous logic?

Was the kingdom Solomon spoke of not on Earth?

Does all sickness prevent being fruitful?

So the belief in Jesus by your submission is not what can bring immediate benefit? Really now. What sort of delusion will this be? Is this some sort of psychotic delusion?

Jehoshaphat and Hezekiah are remembered as kings who sought to govern with fairness, uphold moral values, and promote prosperity in their kingdoms during times of stability and growth.

Both of them were seen as fair and just rulers during periods of prosperity and stability in the kingdom.

Aemmyjah:
Romans 5:18
So, then, as through one trespass the result to men of [b]all sorts was condemnation, [/b]so too through one act of justification the result to men of all sorts is their being declared righteous for life


Our inherited sin makes us imperfect
Imperfect health, mind and thinking
When you have something that seems to be condemned, it's liable to acquire many other bad things... Inherited sins makes us condemned in a sense cos we're far from perfect

Romans 5:18 doesn't have the words imperfections, sickness, disabilities, failures, greed.

Why do you force them into It?

MaxInDHouse:
YES!
Sicknesses, Suffering and Injustice became the inheritance of Adam's descendants after the couple were thrown outside the Garden.
God cursed the ground because of Adam's sin and ever since then it has been hard for people to live that's why some are doing everything they can to protect what they have because they're scared of loosing it to those suffering around them. Sicknesses wasn't part of God's arrangement but after Adam left the garden nourishing foods stopped growing and what grows for mankind started to make us grow weaker and weaker {Genesis 3:18} that's why mankind's lifespan began decreasing until what we have today! Genesis 5:5 compare to Genesis 25:7-8
In the garden of Eden angels were there to kill anyone who tries to hurt obedient ones but outside the garden they must not interfere as Adam and Eve have chosen to be independent of God's rule that's why there is injustice here and there without God interfering as many innocent ones are partially treated due to no one to fight for them! Ecclesiastes 4:1; 8:9

All such thing can't be if Adam and Eve never told God to step aside from being their ruler!

Jesus is the appointed king who will do all these things that's why during his campaign for God's Kingdom he multiplied five bread and two fish to feed thousands to showing all these things will work!

You are going to great lengths in proving a narrow view and wrong point? Do you now portray God as very cruel and harsh in action?
You mentioned Genesis 3:18 but forget 3:17
...through painful toil [b]you will eat food from it [/b]all the days of your life. Indeed if nothing was derived from it wouldn't there be injustice?

You mention sickness but share no exact scripture; why? Through earthly death isn't there a pathway back to eternal life?

The shorter lives men live compared to Adam could be mercy to not tarry at plowing the soil for food don't you think?

Don't the scripture in Ecclesiastes point at the consequences of selfish behaviour of some men? It baffles me that you generalise this.


I am a lot more confused. The Kingdom that the Psalms refer to are not yet in existence.

Psalms 72:16 speaks of the prosperity and rule of an ideal king, which in this context would be referring to Solomon or other righteous kings in Israel. The psalm is more about the ideal reign of a righteous king and his blessings on the people, rather than a specific prophecy or reference to Jesus.

Did Jesus rule the Israelites or this is something to come after many who believe in him would have already undergone discomfort and passed away?

Please let your logic make easier sense.
Thanks.

Aemmyjah:
The wages or end result of sin is death
All our imperfections, sickness, disabilities, failures, death, greed, etc comes from our sinful state

Please point me to a verse that explicitly says so

MaxInDHouse:
Please i'm really sorry for this.
I never saw your response that's why i couldn't reach out to you for further response.

Here are the verses!

That is why, just as through one man (Adam) sin entered into the world and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because they had all sinned. Romans 5:12

In the beginning God told Adam:

"But as for the tree of the knowledge of good and bad, you must not eat from it, for in the day you eat from it you will certainly die" Genesis 2:17

And to Adam he said: “Because you listened to your wife’s voice and ate from the tree concerning which I gave you this command, ‘You must not eat from it,’ CURSED is the ground on your account. In PAIN you will eat its produce all the days of your life. It will grow thorns and thistles for you, and you must eat the vegetation of the field. In the SWEAT of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return.” Genesis 3:17-19

Can you please explain what God told Adam in those verses and what mankind is experiencing today if it's not the same?

Well this is God's promise for those who accept Jesus' counsel as they are forgiven:

There will be an abundance of grain on the earth; On the top of the mountains it will overflow. His fruit will flourish as in Lebʹa·non, And in the cities people will blossom like the vegetation of the earth. Psalms 72:16

And he will give the rain for the seed you sow in the ground, and the bread that the ground produces will be abundant and rich. In that day your livestock will graze in spacious pastures. Isaiah 30:23

So from my own personal understanding God withhold good things from mankind until our sins are blotted out through the ransom sacrifice of our Lord Jesus Christ!

Can you concisely link all this to sickness, suffering and injustice?

Also you refer to Psalm 72:16 and directly link this to Jesus the son of Mary? Explain how this is.

SIRTee15:
So are U saying U believe Thomas knew Jesus was divine i.e has a divine nature?

Let's look at your scripture closely. What did Jesus say to Thomas?

John 24:29 Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

What is Jesus saying Thomas believes in?

The existence of a God called Father in their Israelite tradition that sent him?

Aemmyjah:
Romans 5
12. That is why, just as through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because they had all sinned—. 13 For sin was in the world before the Law, but sin is not charged against anyone when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless, death ruled as king from Adam down to Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the same way that Adam transgressed, who bears a resemblance to the one who was to come.
15 But the gift is not like the trespass. For if by one man’s trespass many died, how much more did the undeserved kindness of God and his free gift by the undeserved kindness of the one man, Jesus Christ, abound to many!
16 Also, it is not the same with the free gift as with the way things worked through the one man who sinned. For the judgment after one trespass was condemnation, but the gift after many trespasses was a declaration of righteousness.
17 For if by the trespass of the one man death ruled as king through that one, [/b]how much more will those who receive the abundance of the undeserved kindness and of the free gift of righteousness rule as kings in life through the one person, Jesus Christ! 18 So, then, as [b]through one trespass the result to men of all sorts was condemnation, so too through one act of justification the result to men of all sorts is their being declared righteous for life. 19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one person many will be made righteous.

Regretably @Aemmyjah doesn't appreciate why @MaxInDHouse delays or refuses to answer.

Death is not synonymous with sickness, suffering, and injustice which MaxInDHouse tries to allude to.

While death can be accompanied by sickness, suffering, and perceived injustice, it is a separate concept that encompasses the end of earthly life for all living beings.

Sickness may or may not precede death in many cases, as illnesses and diseases can lead to the eventual demise of an individual. However, not all sickness results in death, as medical interventions and treatments can sometimes overcome illnesses.

Is it a contradiction that the Bible reports God's words of encouragement to the sick in

Isaiah 41:10: “So do not fear, for I am with you; do not be dismayed, for I am your God. I will strengthen you and help you; I will uphold you with my righteous right hand.”

Jeremiah 30:17: “But I will restore you to health and heal your wounds,” declares the Lord.

John 14:27: “Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid.


Still waiting for Maxindhouse if he hasn't become the barest minimum to tell me otherwise

Ohyoudidnt:
Can you quote the verse or verses where the Bible says so. (The Bible made it clear that suffering, sickness and death came through Adamic sin)

I have answered you even with a yes but cannot be responsible for your inability to read it.

MaxInDHouse is no longer in the house to respond? Or you cannot find the verse specifically saying suffering, sickness and death came through Adamic sin.

MaxInDHouse:
Guy you're running away from the question!

Here is it again:

The Bible made it clear that suffering, sickness and death came through Adamic sin and that through the ransom sacrifice of Christ all these will be undone but you said it's not so.

Therefore i asked you to tell me what your Quran says about the cause of suffering, sicknesses and death. You quoted your Quran saying your Allah was using these evil things to test humans.

So i asked you to come out clean.

Is your Allah using suffering, sicknesses and death of loved ones to test people?

It's just a YES or NO answer then afterwards you can add your quotes and explanations!

Can you quote the verse or verses where the Bible says so. (The Bible made it clear that suffering, sickness and death came through Adamic sin)

I have answered you even with a yes but cannot be responsible for your inability to read it.

MaxInDHouse:
I want a simple YES or NO

Allah is using all the suffering, sicknesses and death of loved ones to test people.

YES or NO.

Afterwards you can present your quotes and explanation!

Examiner remembers to issue instructions after the exam sheets have been submitted. Quite unfortunate.

Yes there are verses similar to 2 Corinthians
7 or because of these surpassingly great revelations. Therefore, in order to keep me from becoming conceited, I was given a thorn in my flesh, a messenger of Satan, to torment me.

8 Three times I pleaded with the Lord to take it away from me.

9 But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness. (Quran doesn't have this though)


Why do Christians or the compilers of the Bible disobey Jesus?

Luke 8

49 While Jesus was still speaking, someone came from the house of Jairus, the synagogue leader. “Your daughter is dead,” he said. “Don’t bother the teacher anymore.”

50 Hearing this, Jesus said to Jairus, “Don’t be afraid; just believe, and she will be healed.”

51 When he arrived at the house of Jairus, he did not let anyone go in with him except Peter, John and James, and the child’s father and mother.

52 Meanwhile, all the people were wailing and mourning for her. “Stop wailing,” Jesus said. “She is not dead but asleep.”

53 They laughed at him, knowing that she was dead.

54 But he took her by the hand and said, “My child, get up!”

55 Her spirit returned, and at once she stood up. Then Jesus told them to give her something to eat.

56 Her parents were astonished, but he ordered them not to tell anyone what had happened.

Is this because they are persistently disobedient people?

MaxInDHouse:
Why can't you answer straightforward?

Well i'm used to your cleric's system of things so i will set it straight:

Is it that your Allah just want to test people with sickness, suffering and death of their loved ones?
Is that your Allah's explanation for those evil things?

Have you ever heard or read? Doctors care God heals.

When you recover from an ailment would you say so and so doctor healed me, this drug healed me or this pastor or Alfa healed me?

Q26:80
And He ˹alone˺ heals me when I am sick.

Q17:82
And We send down of the Quran that which is healing and mercy for the believers

Quran 16:68-69: “And your Lord inspired the bee, ‘Take for yourself among the mountains, houses, and among the trees and [in] that which they construct. Then eat from all the fruits and follow the ways of your Lord laid down [for you].’ There emerges from their bellies a drink, varying in colors, in which there is healing for people. Indeed, in that is a sign for a people who give thought.”

In these verses from Surah An-Nahl (The Bee), Allah describes how He inspired the bee to build its hives in various locations such as mountains, trees, and human habitations. The bees are instructed to gather nectar from different sources and produce honey. The honey produced by bees contains healing properties and serves as a beneficial substance for humans.


Are we still talking about the Kaaba?

Perhaps you can open your thread

MaxInDHouse:
What is the explanation your Allah has for Suffering, sickness and Death?
Why is there injustice?
Why wars?
Why food shortages?
Why inflation?

The Bible answered "it's due to INHERITED SIN"

What says your Allah if it's truly the Creator as your book claims.

You asked for Allah's explanation and I provide you with the words of Allah from the Quran. That is translation of the meaning

MaxInDHouse:
Why can't you answer straightforward?

Well i'm used to your cleric's system of things so i will set it straight:

Is it that your Allah just want to test people with sickness, suffering and death of their loved ones?
Is that your Allah's explanation for those evil things?

Have you ever heard or read? Doctors care God heals.

When you recover from an ailment would you say so and so doctor healed me, this drug healed me or this pastor or Alfa healed me?

Q26:80
And He ˹alone˺ heals me when I am sick.

Q17:82
And We send down of the Quran that which is healing and mercy for the believers

Quran 16:68-69: “And your Lord inspired the bee, ‘Take for yourself among the mountains, houses, and among the trees and [in] that which they construct. Then eat from all the fruits and follow the ways of your Lord laid down [for you].’ There emerges from their bellies a drink, varying in colors, in which there is healing for people. Indeed, in that is a sign for a people who give thought.”

In these verses from Surah An-Nahl (The Bee), Allah describes how He inspired the bee to build its hives in various locations such as mountains, trees, and human habitations. The bees are instructed to gather nectar from different sources and produce honey. The honey produced by bees contains healing properties and serves as a beneficial substance for humans.


Are we still talking about the Kaaba?

Perhaps you can open your thread

MaxInDHouse:
What is the explanation your Allah has for Suffering, sickness and Death?
Why is there injustice?
Why wars?
Why food shortages?
Why inflation?

The Bible answered "it's due to INHERITED SIN"

What says your Allah if it's truly the Creator as your book claims.

Q29:2-3: “Do the people think that they will be left to say ‘We believe’ without being put to the test? We have certainly tested those before them so that Allah will distinguish those who are truthful

Q30:41: “Corruption has appeared throughout the land and sea by [reason of] what the hands of people have earned so He may let them taste part of [the consequence of] what they have done that perhaps they will return [to righteousness]


Q2:155: “And We will surely test you with something of fear and hunger and a loss of wealth and lives and fruits, but give good tidings to the patient.

Q2:216: “But perhaps you hate a thing and it is good for you; and perhaps you love a thing and it is bad for you. And Allah Knows, while you know not

In the challenges Joseph passed through before his exalted position was there cruelly and injustice?

Oh people perish due to lack of knowledge and indeed mankind knows nothing compared to God

MaxInDHouse:
So it's mankind that God created for suffering, sickness and death?

Guy Adam and Eve put mankind through all these suffering so if your Qur'an says otherwise keep whatever it says your Allah is not the same as our God so it's book has nothing to do with our God!

Fortunately we are not a party to a false concept of inheriting an original sin. Each person is responsible for his or her own sin and not another's.

Why should you share the blame of the sin of a parent who sinned before you and never consulted or made you a companion in committing the sin.

How rational is it to inherit a sin you were no part of? Fantastic law!

MaxInDHouse:
That book (Quran) has nothing to do with God so if you believe in it i'm sorry for you.

Adam and Eve has been destroyed forever they will never be remembered during the resurrection of the dead. All the untold suffering mankind is experiencing till today is their doing. There is no forgiveness for them because the moment they supposed to ask for it they both transferred the blame instead of admitting their blunders.
They are the worst killers ever in the history of mankind without their blunders death, sickness and others won't have been mankind's problem if not for these two criminals.
So if you're depending on what that Arab book says ọmọ i pity you!

Says the mouthpiece of God or the god called MaxinDHouse.

God didn't create Adam and Eve for everlasting doom.

What proof have you that the Quran is not from Allah?

The linguistic uniqueness, fulfilled prophecies, scientific accuracy, spiritual impact, and preservation are evidence that the Quran is indeed a divine revelation from Allah.

MaxInDHouse:
After the excommunication Adam and Eve lived close to the garden from which they were driven out so their children noticed that Adam and Eve must have really annoyed the owner of that beautiful garden before He could send them out that's why they thought of appeasing the owner of that garden through gifts.

As for virtue there was nowhere they could learn what is good or bad since no laws were given so they were both living by their God's given conscience with the mindset that one day the owner of that garden may change His mind and call them back in.

What God told Eve was misunderstood because Eve thought it's her son/child that will destroy the deceiver who misled her {Genesis 3:15} that's what she narrated to Cain her first child so after Cain realized that the owner of that garden was pleased with Abel's offer he decided to kill Abel as he doesn't want Abel to claim his glory through what he himself initiated. So Cain was politically ambitious that was what God warned him against.

But as for the couple God never said a word to them again until their death as they decided to take side with the slanderer who told them that God is a liar!

The Quran fills the gap about Adam and Eve seeking forgiveness. It provides a detailed narrative about Adam and Eve seeking forgiveness for their disobedience to God.

The he story of Adam and Eve seeking forgiveness is a powerful lesson in humility, repentance, and divine mercy. After realizing their mistake, Adam and Eve felt remorse and shame for their actions. They turned to Allah in sincere repentance, acknowledging their weakness and seeking His forgiveness. In Surah Al-A'raf, verse 23, Adam and Eve express their remorse and seek forgiveness from Allah, saying: "Our Lord, we have wronged ourselves, and if You do not forgive us and have mercy upon us, we will surely be among the losers."

The sin of Adam was forgiven by Allah, and the expulsion from Paradise can be seen as part of God’s plan for humanity.


God by your Bible called out to them, "Where are you?" This question was not for God's benefit, as he already knew where they were, but rather to prompt them to come forward and confess their wrongdoing.

When Adam and Eve finally presented themselves before God, he addressed them with a mixture of disappointment and sorrow. He asked them why they had eaten from the tree, knowing that it was forbidden. He explained the consequences of their actions, including the pain of childbirth for Eve and the toil of working the land for Adam.

Despite their disobedience, God did not abandon them. He made garments of skin to cover their unclothedness and protect them from the elements.

In his speech to Adam and Eve, God showed both justice and mercy. He held them accountable for their actions but also provided a way for redemption and reconciliation. This story serves as a reminder of the consequences of disobeying God and the importance of repentance and seeking forgiveness.

God's speech to Adam and Eve after they ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil is a powerful example of God's love for his creation and his willingness to forgive those who have strayed from his path. It is a story of hope and redemption, despite the consequences of sin.

MaxInDHouse:
That's what the Bible teaches!

God excommunicated Adam and Eve after the incident in Eden, He excommunicated Kung Saul after his unrepentant attitude so excommunication is Biblical.

The only difference now is that when someone is excommunicated he or she can repent and regain God's approval based on the ransom sacrifice of Christ Jesus but excommunication is our God's way of dealing with sinners who feels they're above the law!

God showed compassion by providing them with garments made from animal skins (Genesis 3:21).

When Adam and Eve were driven out of the garden, God made them tunics and clothed them(Genesis 3:21).

Remember that they have a righteous son whose name was Abel (Hebrews 11:4). It would have been difficult for Abel to become righteous and faithful if he wasn’t taught by his parents.

Moreover, the fact that Abel and Cain made sacrifices means that Adam and Eve could have also continued bringing offerings and sacrifices to God. Where did Cain and Abel learn about sacrifice and how to conduct same?

gaskiyamagana:
I will continue to bleat it till second coming of your Jesus that you have polluted his teachings with fallacy, fiction, FALSEHOOD, FABRICATION MISINTERPRETATION AND MISREPRESENTATION .

Why do you waste time with this stubborn arrogant ignoramus? His cut and join Arabic is too bad to be even considered pathetic.

وَٱلَّتِىٓ أَحْصَنَتْ فَرْجَهَا فَنَفَخْنَا فِيهَا مِن رُّوحِنَا وَجَعَلْنَـٰهَا وَٱبْنَهَآ ءَايَةًۭ لِّلْعَـٰلَمِينَ translates to mean And the one who guarded her chastity, so We blew into her (Mary) [through Gabriel] of Our spirit and made her and her son a sign for the worlds.


فَنَفَخْنَا فِيهَا so we breathed into her

It doesn't say فَنَفَخْنَا فَرْجَهَا so we breathed into her chastity.

In a medical or anatomical context, “فرج” refers to the vulva or female Instruments.

In a religious or moral context, “فرج” can symbolize chastity or modesty, as seen in Quranic verses where it is associated with guarding one’s chastity.

Additionally, “فرج” can signify relief, comfort, or release from suffering in a broader sense.

The primary translation of فِيهَا is in it or in which but it can also be translated as in herself or in her.

It can refer to being within a specific location, time frame, or situation. For example, it can denote being physically inside a place, such as a building or a room. It can also signify being present in a particular moment or timeframe. Additionally, it may indicate involvement in an activity or situation.

Furthermore, فِيهَا can be used to express possession or containment. It might imply that something is contained within an object or entity. This is apt in reference to her Womb. Does he limit Allah's ability to get directly to the womb yet believe in 'miracles' of picking out a fibroid without external skin cutting up?

Best ignore him. When he no longer gets responses he will eventually move on and if he likes he can keep posting to his delusion.

Aemmyjah:
You said it's trigonometric calculation
Now you said it's not far from the sun rise
What has sun rise got to do with a literal place and it's position?

I see all your particulars about science are a ruse. You know absolutely nothing!

When faced with a problem is there only one mathematical method to find the same solution?