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Aemmyjah:
You said it's trigonometric calculation
Now you said it's not far from the sun rise
What has sun rise got to do with a literal place and it's position?

SIRTee15:
But U said earlier he has a divine nature, or U want to back track on your earlier statement?

Is this not what U wrote below....what do U mean when U wrote the screenshot below

Ohyoudidnt:
Do you not see the similarities between this and Greek mythology. Perhaps this is where the connecting transformation takes place.

In the Gospel of John where Thomas refers to Jesus as "my Lord and my God" (John 20:28). This statement by Thomas has often been used by Christians to affirm the divinity of Jesus. However, it is interesting to note that throughout the New Testament, Jesus himself refers to God the Father as his God. For example, in the book of Revelation, Jesus says, "I ascend to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God" (Revelation 20:17).

Isn't this a contradiction where the one referred to as God refers to another. Is the truth if any not that Thomas made the declaration as a statement of faith rather than a direct assertion of Jesus' divine nature?

It is worth mentioning that in Greek mythology, gods and goddesses were often depicted as having their own hierarchies and relationships with one another. For example, Zeus was considered the king of the gods, while other deities such as Athena and Apollo held their own positions of power and authority. This complex pantheon of gods and goddesses in Greek mythology contrasts with the monotheistic beliefs of Christianity, where there is only one true God who is worshipped and revered.

In light of this, the passage in John where Thomas calls Jesus "my Lord and my God" can be seen as a recognition of Jesus' authority and divine nature, rather than a literal assertion that Jesus is the one true God. It highlights the profound relationship between Jesus and God the Father.

SIRTee15:
Do U understand what shikenah glory is?
Its the presence of God filled with it's glory. Its an immaterial entity.

Your assertion of idolatry is very funny, coming from a religion that sees bowing before a black stone as worship.

SIRTee15:
You have not answered my question.
Is Jesus divine? Does he have a divine nature?
I'm not asking U if he's God, I'm asking if U believe Jesus has a divine nature.

SIRTee15:
Shikenah glory

SIRTee15:
The physical manifestation of God in the temple is a privilege not a right.

God doesn't need to the present in the temple to receive worship or forgive sins.
God's presence wasn't physically with Noah or Abraham when they offered sacrificed yet their offerings were accepted.

The nation of Israel was a theocracy with God as the Head. God wanted to be with them physically as a manifestation of his authority over the Israelites.
But for these to happen, the Israelites had to adhere to the constitution given to them by God as a sign of agreement btw the subjects and YHWH.

Unfortunately the Israelites didn't regard the covenant and repeatedly broke the agreement. There was disobedience, rebellion and idolatry. Finally, they rejected God and demanded for a king.

It was only a matter of time the glory of God departs the temple.

This has nothing to do with God accepting their worship. He doesn't need to be in the temple for him to accept their worship.

Aemmyjah:
😂 😂 😂
A Muslim guy that is selling potatoes suddenly stops his cart somewhere and find a spot to start praying
How e take calculate am?

Aemmyjah:
You're not serious either
Show me the trigonometric calculation from your own house or mosque to the kabba

Aemmyjah:
How's that possible in a a spherical planet?

SIRTee15:
The glory of God departed the temple in the time of ezekiel. Malachi was the last prophet who experienced the spirit of God prior to coming of John the baptist.
This was long b4 the destruction of the temple in 70AD.
That was why Jesus Christ never took temple worship serious during his time on earth. The tabernacle was empty.

SIRTee15:
My friend sacrificial offering was discarded. Who are we offering sacrifice to? A God that already departed the temple.
So who's accepting your sacrifice. Those who continue to sacrifice now practice paganism.

SIRTee15:
Stop lying, Jesus did change how we worshipped when on earth.
First, after the glory of the LORD departed the temple, the building became void.
Anybody could enter the holy of holies and nothing would happen to them.
In fact some Hellenistic Jews during the Seleucid period sacrificed pig on the altar in the temple and nothing happened to them.

Jesus made it clear Jerusalem and the temple is no longer necessary for worship.

Luke 21.5
Then, as some spoke of the temple, how it was adorned with beautiful stones and donations, Jesus said, 6 “These things which you see—the days will come in which not one stone shall be left upon another that shall not be thrown down.”

John 4
19 The woman said to Him, “Sir, I perceive that You are a prophet. 20 Our fathers worshiped on this mountain, and you Jews say that in Jerusalem is the place where one ought to worship.”
21 Jesus said to her, “Woman, believe Me, the hour is coming when you will neither on this mountain, nor in Jerusalem, worship the Father. 22 You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews. 23 But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him. 24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”

Ohyoudidnt:
Jesus did not change the specific place for sacrifices and worship from Jerusalem during his earthly ministry, his teachings and actions led to a transformation in how early Christians understood sacrifice and worship. The focus shifted from external rituals in a physical temple to internal transformation through faith

IslamVIRGINS:
Which sacrifice are you talking about that was made in new testament?

No where it is written in Bible that stone was worshipped by the people of God as you're worshiping and bowing down for kaaba

SIRTee15:
Do U believe Jesus has a divine nature? That's my question.
U said up there that Jesus has a divine nature and I want to confirm U actually said so.

Thomas couldn't have used God as exclamation mark- such phrase doesn't exist in those days n Jewish won't call God's name in vain.

Iamanoited:
This GRAND ORDER DOMINION IS OMNIPOTENT AND OMNICAPABLE OF BEING NOTHING, MANY, COMPLEX AND SIMPLE IN FORMS, SHAPES AND SIZES.

Iamanoited:
JESUS ALWAYS KNOWS THAT THOMAS KNEW THAT JESUS IS GOD IN HEAVEN.

SIRTee15:
Ohyoudidn't so now admit Jesus has a divine nature. Abi is this not what I'm reading from U.

Oh my God what a glorious day to behold.

I've always known U are too intelligent not to see the truth when faced with one.

TenQ our friend is gradually gravitating towards the truth.
Abutwins let me educate U so that U too will see the truth. I apologise if I detail your thread. Forget about bible manuscripts, Jesus is divine- that is the truth.

Fellow Muslims, we may argue back and forth on whether Jesus is God. But only a very dishonest Muslim will deny the divinity of Christ, It's just too obvious.

Cc Qasim expanse antiChristian don't be left out in this truth seeking revelation.

Shalom

SIRTee15:
Jesus established the CHURCH. That's what he came here to establish.

How many times will I tell U.

Now say it after me so U don't forget...JESUS CHRIST CAME TO ESTABLISH THE CHURCH.

When he was going, he handed over his church to his disciples.

And when he comes back, HE'S COMING BACK FOR THE CHURCH, NOT ANY RELIGION.

If U like continue wasting time on the best religion,
that's Una problem.

If U are not a member of the church JESUS CHRIST established, YOU ARE NOT FOLLOWING JESUS CHRIST.

SIRTee15:
Claiming Christianity is not a religion Jesus established is inconsequential. It doesn't matter...
That's my point.

SIRTee15:
What has queen Sheba has to do with what we talking here....
Besides, can U confirm U agree that Jesus Christ has a divine nature.

SIRTee15:
You ve said nothing. Christianity as a religion means
nothing. Jesus Christ is everything, what U call yourself is inconsequential- what matters is being a follower of Christ.

Jesus disciples called themselves The way.
The Jews called them The Nazarenes
The gentiles called them Christians.
Any Jesus follower is free to pick a new name if he feels like it. Changes nothing.

So if Jesus didn't bring religion then what did he bring?

He brought the CHURCH. Yes Jesus established the church, he mentioned he brought the church and whatever name U call yourself, so long as U are member of the church which is the body of Jesus Christ- U are following the true faith and on the right path.

Do U get it now?
The way and manners U Muslims try to extrapolate islamic doctrines into Christianity and expect us to accept it will never crease to amaze me.

By the way, the spiritual home of islamic faith is Saudi arabia. U people must face that country otherwise your prayers will be rejected.

SIRTee15:
Cut the cap bro
Islam came from Saudi arabia, they gave u the Qur'an.
Its the spiritual seat of the islamic faith.
If the scholars from Saudi arabia are saying adult breastfeeding is valid, U should listen. There must be a reason they said so.

SIRTee15:
So Ubay the best reciters didn't know what's in the Qur'an and what's makes prayer. Abi no be him talk this one....

Ubayy said, ‘I took it from the mouth of the Messenger of Allah and WILL NOT LEAVE IT for anything.’

What about ibn masud another best of the reciters recommended by Muhammed...

I acquired directly from the Messenger of Allah (saw) seventy surahs when Zaid was still a childish youth - must I now forsake what I acquired directly from the Messenger of Allah?”

So these reciters who Muhammad praised as the best of reciters didn't know their left from their right...yet Muhammad recommended them...

See as Una throw Muhammad under the bus in a bid to validate a forged quran.

As for the adult breastfeeding brouhaha, I will show up to three adults that were breastfed in your hadiths and islamic literature all recommended by Muhammed apart from the slave boy.

SIRTee15:
That's a lie...Ubay's Qur'an had 2 extra surah not in Zaid's codex. 2 whole surah cannot be slight difference my friend.

And why would they compile a committee of reciters that would standardize the Qur'an yet the 2 best reciters approved by Muhammad were not included.

Don't U guys get it?

SIRTee15:
Even in the 21st century some of your scholars are advocating for adult breastfeeding.
Dey play...

https://www.independent.co.uk/property/house-and-home/saudi-clerics-battle-over-adultbreastfeeding-music-fatwas-2018087.html

SIRTee15:
That's a lie...Ubay's Qur'an had 2 extra surah not in Zaid's codex. 2 whole surah cannot be slight difference my friend.

And why would they compile a committee of reciters that would standardize the Qur'an yet the 2 best reciters approved by Muhammad were not included.

Don't U guys get it?

SIRTee15:
Even more disturbing is the fact that ibn masud is not the only Muhammed's anointed reciter that rejected the Qur'an compiled by Zaid. Ubay also rejected uthman codex and held on to his own version of quran.

Muhammed had told his companions to learn Qur'an from 4 people- these include ibn masud and ibn Ubay. Both of them rejected the uthman codex.


4719. It is related from Ibn ‘Abbas that ‘Umar said, “Ubayy was the one of us with the best recitation, yet we leave some of the words of Ubayy. Ubayy said, ‘I took it from the mouth of the Messenger of Allah and WILL NOT LEAVE IT for anything.’ Allah Almighty says, ‘Whenever We abrogate an ayat or cause it to be forgotten, We bring one better than it or equal to it.’ (2:106)” (Aisha Bewley, Sahih Collection of al-Bukhari, Chapter 69. Book of the Virtues of the Qur’an, VIII: The reciters among the Companions of the Prophet)

Islamic scholars know that Ubai Ibn Ka’b had a compilation of the Quran that differed from the current version, which was compiled primarily by Zaid Ibn Thabit.
Among the differences we know of between Zaid & Ubai’s Qurans, was the fact that Ubai’s Quran had two additional surahs, al-Hafd and al-Khal'.

This problem is acknowledged by Umar in the Hadith. In Sahih Bukhari, Vol. VI, #527, Umar noted that, despite the fact that Ubai was called the greatest reciter of the Quran by Muhammad, two of the Surahs in Ubai’s Quran were not put in Zaid’s codex.

Sahih Bukhari, Vol. VI, #527 “Narrated Ibn Abbas: ‘Umar said “Ubai was the best of us in the recitation (of the Quran) yet we leave some of what he recites.” (2:106)’”

Ubai’s codex of the Quran was the standard version used in Syria before Uthman ordered all manuscripts that did not agree with the one compiled by Zaid et al. to be burned. Many still know Ubai’s surahs today! These surahs have not been lost, they have been REJECTED by the Muslim leaders!

According to Surah 3:3-4, these leaders bring a heavy doom on themselves and their followers.

Ubai surahs were not abrogated by Allah, they were abrogated by Zaid and those who chose his text.
The Quran promises abrogated or forgotten things are replaced by Allah with something similar or better (Surah 2:106). How could this be done after Muhammad has passed away?

Zaid et al. should have accepted Ubai’s surahs even if they were only found with Ubai, since they accepted portions found only with Abi Khuzaima Al-Ansari (Bukhari, Vol. VI, #509, #510), and Ubai’s credentials exceeded that of Khuzaima bin Thabit Al-Ansari.


As we can see the so called preservation of the Qur'an is intellectual dishonesty.

SIRTee15:
Yes ibn Masood complained.
I already did an article on it ...read

https://www.nairaland.com/8068045/synoptic-quranic-versions-called-preservation

Aemmyjah:
If Jesus had it, why will he ask the Father yo semd to the disciples

StillDtruth:
This is where the confusion is.

Jesus is our own God that is God of heaven and earth and man and all that is in them.

But His Father is "The Highest and The Greatest, and The King Sitteth on The Throne" Who Gives Command eg "Let their be Light"