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Ken4Christ:
Your comment is senseless. God can do all things. What is wrong in giving others opportunity to do certain things including his son. Is it not stupidity for a father to have children all around him and he does all the house chores and said the children shouldn't do anything. Is this how you want to run your home?

Senseless you say?

If God can do all things why then does he need to delegate? Can this your concept of God really do all things then?

Tell me please. What power your Jesus had before God gave him authority on heavens and the earth?

Ken4Christ:
The Father still has one exclusive responsibility that I know of. For example, prayers are offered only to Him but it must be said in the name of Jesus. You know what it means to attend to billions of prayers daily. That is huge responsibility.

While Jesus maintains an oversight over the universal church. Hence, the scripture says that Jesus is the head of the Church.

So borrowing your description of Father meaning God need help attending to other things within his dominion outside prayers.

A big shame how you limit your god.

Allah is Al-Muhit all encompassing and needs no helper

TenQ:
1. Is this hadith TRUE or FALSE?

Sahih al-Bukhari 3810
Narrated Qatada:
Anas said, "The Qur'an was collected in the lifetime of the Prophet (ﷺ) by four (men), all of whom were from the Ansar: Ubai, Mu`adh bin Jabal, Abu Zaid and Zaid bin Thabit." I asked Anas, "Who is Abu Zaid?" He said, "One of my uncles."


2. What does it mean that the Quran was collected?


Can we please call it a day?

@Explore2xmore I have already stated this thing should be ignored. I believe you saw my post.

Ohyoudidnt:
I appeal to all my brothers and sisters in Islam to henceforth ignore TENQ and his stupid behaviour and foolish questions.

Maybe then the demons troubling him will give him a rest

The entire Qur'an was not compiled into a single book during the lifetime of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

During his life, the verses were revealed piecemeal over approximately 23 years, and these verses were memorized by the companions and also written down on various
materials, such as parchment, bone, leaves, and stone tablets. However, the Qur'an was not collected into a single book until after the Prophet's death.

It was during the caliphate of Abu Bakr (may Allah be pleased with him) when the first official compilation of the Qur'an was undertaken and
completed, with the work being led by the chief scribe, Zayd ibn Thabit r.a. This was to preserve the Quran after a number of those who had memorized it were killed in the Battle of Yamama. The collected text was then used by Uthman ibn Affan (may Allah be pleased with him), the third Caliph, to produce a standard version and distributed to various regions to ensure the uniformity of recitation
and text.

He sees the truth but Allah clearly says:

As for those who persist in disbelief, it is the same whether you warn them or not—they will never believe.

Ken4Christ:
I agree. But the relationship between Jesus and His Father is such that he has committed all things into his hands. He has given him all authority in heaven and on earth.

So Jesus now renders the almighty God redundant or retired? Please!

Ken4Christ:
Does the fact that you have a boss you report to makes your boss more human or more man than you?

Put in another way, Jesus is a God being. He is God in very essence and nature. He only took up a human form to die for us.

Some of the statement credited to him revealed his Deity.

He said, before Abraham was, I Am.

He said that whoever has seen me as seen the Father.

The Jews knew he was placing himself in the same class as God when he calls God father. No one ever did that.

What about where he said, 'I am the first and the last'. No ordinary human can make that statement.

No matter how much your boss bestows on you there is always the difference between the two of you.
You remain in service to your boss and can not assume the powers he has over you.

Ken4Christ:
Muslim scholar wants a proof where Jesus said he is God. The exclamation of Thomas is one of such proof. When he saw Jesus after his resurrection, he exclaimed;

John 20:27-28
27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

If Jesus is not God, he would have told Thomas, please don't call me God.

What other proof do you need to know who Jesus truly is?

Do you not see the similarities between this and Greek mythology. Perhaps this is where the connecting transformation takes place.

In the Gospel of John where Thomas refers to Jesus as "my Lord and my God" (John 20:28). This statement by Thomas has often been used by Christians to affirm the divinity of Jesus. However, it is interesting to note that throughout the New Testament, Jesus himself refers to God the Father as his God. For example, in the book of Revelation, Jesus says, "I ascend to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God" (Revelation 20:17).

Isn't this a contradiction where the one referred to as God refers to another. Is the truth if any not that Thomas made the declaration as a statement of faith rather than a direct assertion of Jesus' divine nature?

It is worth mentioning that in Greek mythology, gods and goddesses were often depicted as having their own hierarchies and relationships with one another. For example, Zeus was considered the king of the gods, while other deities such as Athena and Apollo held their own positions of power and authority. This complex pantheon of gods and goddesses in Greek mythology contrasts with the monotheistic beliefs of Christianity, where there is only one true God who is worshipped and revered.

In light of this, the passage in John where Thomas calls Jesus "my Lord and my God" can be seen as a recognition of Jesus' authority and divine nature, rather than a literal assertion that Jesus is the one true God. It highlights the profound relationship between Jesus and God the Father.

FxMasterz:
Exodus 24:10
"There they saw the God of Israel. Under his feet there seemed to be a surface of brilliant blue lapis lazuli, as clear as the sky itself."

Exodus 33:20 -23
""But He said, “You cannot see My face; for no man shall see Me, and live.” And the Lord said, “Here is a place by Me, and you shall stand on the rock. So it shall be, while My glory passes by, that I will put you in the cleft of the rock, and will cover you with My hand while I pass by. Then I will take away My hand, and you shall see My back; but My face shall not be seen."

Mathew 5:8
Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God."

All the scriptures you're quoting are talking about physical man seeing a spiritual God which is impossible. The naked eyes cannot see God, even though Moses was allowed to see God's back part. The spiritual man would see God. When we put off our earthly tabernacle, we shall see God. You can't see God in your flesh. Adam and Eve saw God regularly in Eden until they sinned.

You mean you don't understand your scripture?

The ability to “see” God spiritually involves perceiving His attributes, understanding His character, and experiencing His presence in a profound way. Through faith, prayer, meditation, and a pure heart, individuals can develop a deeper spiritual connection with God that allows them to “see” Him in a spiritual sense. nott physically sighting.

The ability to “see” God spiritually involves perceiving His attributes, understanding His character, and experiencing His presence in a profound way. Through faith, prayer, meditation, and a pure heart, individuals can develop a deeper spiritual connection with God that allows them to “see” Him in a spiritual sense.

FxMasterz:
Lol.

God and His Holy Spirit are inseparable. Can anyone separate Abutwins from his spirit?

The Father and His Spirit are one. Just as Abutwins and his spirit are one.

Whatever the Father knows, the Spirit also knows.

Seriously. My laughter is about breaking my sternum. Please this is worse than laughing gas.

The concept of God having a form or being visible is contradictory to the Scriptures that teach God’s (the Christian/Biblical one)spiritual nature.
John 4:24- God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth

Deuteronomy 4:15-17-Since you saw no form when the Lord spoke to you at Horeb out of the fire, take care and watch yourselves closely,
*so that you do not act corruptly by making an idol for yourselves, in the form of any figure—the likeness of male or female,
*the likeness of any animal that is on the earth, the likeness of any winged bird that flies in the air

1 Timothy 1:17-All honor and glory to God forever and ever! He is the eternal King, the unseen one who never dies; he alone is God. Amen.

Exodus 33:20- But you cannot see my face,g for no one can see me and live

John 1:18-No one has ever seen God,but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.
Is this one and only son of Mary the virgin?

Romans 1:20-For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God.

Colossians 1:15-Christ is the visible image of the invisible God. He existed before anything was created and is supreme over all creation

While humans are created in God’s image and have bodies, this does not imply that God has a body as well. Instead, He is invisible and immaterial.

Just because you rely apparently strictly on hadith writings of men.

Did you not see this?

Sahih al-Bukhari 3810
Narrated Qatada:

Anas said, "The Qur'an was collected in the lifetime of the Prophet (ﷺ) by four (men), all of whom were from the Ansar: Ubai, Mu`adh bin Jabal, Abu Zaid and Zaid bin Thabit." I asked Anas, "Who is Abu Zaid?" He said, "One of my uncles."


Now you see the importance of Zaid in the collation of the Quran.

Go rest your anti Islam thoughts, you can never succeed.

It is not a product of debates and agreements of men in questionable councils with political undertones.

TenQ:
1. Each of the 7 Qirats may be valid, however 6 of them were erased and only one was left. Is this not editing?
2. Did Jibril not reveal 7 Qirats? Did he make a mistake?
3. What does this phrase mean:
Sahih al-Bukhari 4984
..."In case you disagree with Zaid bin Thabit (Al-Ansari) regarding any dialectic Arabic utterance of the Qur'an, then write it in the dialect of Quraish, for the Qur'an was revealed in this dialect." So they did it.
4. Did Allah not command that the Quran be recited in 7 dialects, who instructed that one is okay?
Sahih Muslim 821a
Ubayy b. Ka'b reported that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) was near the tank of Banu Ghifar that Gabriel came to him and said:
Allah has commanded you to recite to your people the Qur'an in one dialect. Upon this he said: I ask from Allah pardon and forgiveness. My people are not capable of doing it. He then came for the second time and said: Allah has commanded you that you should recite the Qur'an to your people in two dialects. Upon this he (the Holy prophet) again said: I seek pardon and forgiveness from Allah, my people would not be able to do so. He (Gabriel) came for the third time and said: Allah has commanded you to recite the Qur'an to your people in three dialects. Upon this he said: I ask pardon and forgiveness from Allah. My people would not be able to do it. He then came to him for the fourth time and said: Allah has commanded you to recite the Qur'an to your people in seven dialects, and in whichever dialect they would recite, they would be right.



Let me ask you four clear simple questions:
1. Let us assume that Uthman wrote just one Qirat of the Quran, is this Qirat the Hafs Quran or the Warsh Quran or the Qalun Quran or the A-Duri Quran or the Khalaf Quran or the several other Qurans?

2. Is this statement untrue by Al-Suyuti
Al-Suyuti, Itqan, part 3, page 72
Said Abu ‘Ubaid:
Ismail b. Ibrahim related to us from Ayyub from Nafi ‘from Ibn ‘Umar (son of Umar) who said—Let none of you say, “I have learned the whole of the Koran,” for how does he know what the whole of it is, when much of it has disappeared? Let him rather say, “I have learned what is extant thereof.”


3. Is this statement untrue by Abu Harb
Sahih Muslim 1050
Abu Harb b. Abu al-Aswad reported on the authority of his father that Abu Musa al-Ash'ari sent for the reciters of Basra. They came to him and they were three hundred in number. They recited the Qur'an and he said:
You are the best among the inhabitants of Basra, for you are the reciters among them. So continue to recite it. (But bear in mind) that your reciting for a long time may not harden your hearts as were hardened the hearts of those before you. We used to recite a surah which resembled in length and severity to (Surah) Bara'at. I have, however, forgotten it with the exception of this which I remember out of it:" If there were two valleys full of riches, for the son of Adam, he would long for a third valley, and nothing would fill the stomach of the son of Adam but dust." And we used so recite a surah which resembled one of the surahs of Musabbihat, and I have forgotten it, but remember (this much) out of it:" Oh people who believe, why do you say that which you do not practise" (lxi 2.) and" that is recorded in your necks as a witness (against you) and you would be asked about it on the Day of Resurrection" (xvii. 13).

4. Is it untrue that Ibn Abbas the Cousin of your prophet said:
Sahih al-Bukhari 6829
Narrated Ibn `Abbas:
`Umar said, "I am afraid that after a long time has passed, people may say, "We do not find the Verses of the Rajam (stoning to death) in the Holy Book," and consequently they may go astray by leaving an obligation that Allah has revealed. Lo! I confirm that the penalty of Rajam be inflicted on him who commits illegal sexual intercourse, if he is already married and the crime is proved by witnesses or pregnancy or confession." Sufyan added, "I have memorized this narration in this way." `Umar added, "Surely Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) carried out the penalty of Rajam, and so did we after him."

Is Rajam in your Quran?

See the defect in your reasoning and questioning.

Did Uthman actually write the Quran or order for a committee to write and standardise in a bid to prevent loss of the actual recitations?

Uthman’s compilation not only preserved the original message of the Quran but also accommodated various Qira’ahs by ensuring that all legitimate readings were included in this unified text. By doing so, Uthman addressed concerns about potential differences in pronunciation, intonation, and wording that had emerged among different communities.

This monumental effort by Uthman helped establish a singular textual authority for Muslims worldwide, ensuring uniformity in recitation while respecting and incorporating the rich diversity of Qira’ah traditions within Islam.

I am disappointed you spent all these hours to further come here to ridicule yourself

I appeal to all my brothers and sisters in Islam to henceforth ignore TENQ and his stupid behaviour and foolish questions.

Maybe then the demons troubling him will give him a rest .

TenQ:
By summarising or distilling 7 Qirats into ONE!?

Is this not Editing of the Qur'an?

Who gave the command for the destruction of the other six Qirats of Allah? Is the person also a prophet?

As expected. Empty vessels ring loudest.

The various Qiraahs, or readings of the Quran, still conform to Uthman’s standardization. Despite the existence of different Qiraahs, they are all considered valid within the framework established by Uthman’s standardization of the Quranic text.

Muhammad Mustafa Al-Aʿzami and Yasin Dutton emphasy that the term “variant” may not accurately capture the nature of the Quran, which is inherently multi formic rather than having a singular fixed original. This perspective suggests that the different readings or Qiraahs do not deviate from the essence of the Uthmanic recension but rather represent valid expressions within the broader tradition of Quranic recitation.

Ibn Mujāhid played a significant role in enumerating seven acceptable modes of recitation in his work Kitab al-sabʿah fi al-qirāʾāt. These readings were selected based on widespread acceptance and representation from major centers of knowledge in the Muslim world. Subsequent scholars expanded this list to include additional reciters, leading to the canonical list of ten recognized Qiraahs.

Stop speaking on what you know nothing about. It doesn't alter the false creation by people in the numerous council meetings of a false divine Jesus that's co-equal to Allah

The Uthmani Codex aimed at standardizing the text of the Quran, it also allowed for flexibility in recitation through different Qiraahs.

The Uthmani Codex provided a unified text that preserved the integrity of the Quran while acknowledging and accommodating diverse modes of recitation.

TenQ:
Alhamdulillah!
After six pages of asking the same question, someone came close to responding on them except with his own fabrications to embellish his Qur'an of Allah


Let me go with you
1. If collation becomes reducing 7 books to one, it is editing sir. According to you seven books we're reduced to one Book (a summary)!
2. If the collation involves adding new words or verses to the Qur'an of Abubakr to make the new Qur'an of Uthman, then it is editing. Is it untrue that according to Zaid
a. Qur'an of with Abubakar has Quran 9:128-129 but missing Qur'an 33:23
b. Qur'an of Uthman corrected Abubakrs Qur'an by adding Quran 33:23



According to you, 7 Qirats were summarised to 1 or is it that 6 Qirats were deleted and only one Qirats was left.
Is this not a new edition of the Qur'an?




Just to show you that you are fabricating conjectures
1. If this was true that Hafsa had 7 Qirats of the Qur'an (which included the Quraish qirat), why did they not just SELECT the useful Qirat and burn the remaining 6?
2. Why should they use the Dialect of the Quraish IF they disagree with Zaid?
If you are correct, a whole Qirat of the Qur'an was already in the Quraish Qirat: isn't it?
3. I challenge you to show me a single Islamic historical source that says that Hafsa's Qur'an consisted of 7 qirats: else, this is a wilful fabrication from you.


But doesn't the words of your prophet have weight again? It is not compulsory to be able to write to be part of the committee to write the Qur'an: is the Qur'an not supposed to be a Recitation again!?

I challenge you to show me evidence from your historical sources that any of the four reciters of the Qur'an was part of the committee?

I also challenge you to show me that any of the four reciters were pleased with the second Qur'an of Zaid?



Seven Qirats summarised to one using the rule of Quraish dialect has been shown to you that it is nothing other than EDITING!

As you do with arabic language you run with little information. When you learn more about the depth of the codex you may ask a question if any.

Till then stop using toddler language to approach serious matters.

Addressing one of your misunderstanding or outright character lies on Quran 33:23

No, the Qur’an of Uthman did not correct Abu Bakr’s Qur’an by adding Quran 33:23.

The verse from Surat Al-Ahzab (33:23) was actually found to be missing during the compilation of the Qur’an under Uthman. Zayd ibn Thabit, one of the companions involved in rewriting the manuscripts, mentioned that this verse was missed during the copying process. They later found it with Khuzaimah ibn Thabit Al-Ansari and included it in the compilation. This indicates that the verse was not added but rather rediscovered during the compilation process initiated by Uthman.

Zayd was involved in writing the Quran in the life time of Muhammad pbuh and was of those best equipped to recompile.

Now run along and get a proper schooling

TenQ:
I am not contesting your history nor am I against your post except that none of what you have said answers my Questions.

These below are YES or NO Questions:
Did Zaid Zaid bin Thabit edit the Quran of Hafsa?
Were any of the Four Reciters of the Quran attested by Mohammed part of the Commitee of Zaid Zaid bin Thabit?

#The Questions are simple: If Zaid edited the Quran of hafsa, WHY?
#If none of the reciters of Mohammed are part of Zaid's committee, WHY?

Questions:
1. What was wrong with the Quran of Abu Bakr given to Hafsa to warrant editing by Zaid Zaid bin Thabit the second time?
2. There were four reciters of the Quran attested by Mohammed himself, why were none of them consulted in writing the Quran of Abu Bakr and later Uthman but instead Zaid Zaid bin Thabit was commissioned for the job?
3. Do you now agree that the first and second edition of the Arabic Quran were different?

Is collating the same as editing?

Zaid chaired the committees to collate and compile all of the Quran into written Mushaf.

The Quran collated by Abu Bakr encompassed the 7 Qira'at however the Uthmani codex became the standardized version of the Quran. This measure was to curtail possible corruption of the Quran as it rapidly spread to other regions.

Reciting and writing are not the same. Were the four reciters equally proficient in writing? Remember that Zaid was the scribe of Prophet Muhammad. Who will have been better to coordinate the process?

The four reciters were incorporated as definitely if there were errors they will speak about it. Their recitation was incorporated into the Mushaf compiled.

NO they are not different. Uthman's codex focused on a uniform and standardised style to prevent possible corruption of the Quran

TenQ:
I neither asked you about the Inspiration, nor history nor the importance of the Qur'an. I asked you simple questions with respect to specific reports from your hadiths to which you haven't answered at all


Questions:
1. What was wrong with the Quran of Abu Bakr given to Hafsa to warrant editing by Zaid Zaid bin Thabit the second time?
2. There were four reciters of the Quran attested by Mohammed himself, why were none of them consulted in writing the Quran of Abu Bakr and later Uthman but instead Zaid Zaid bin Thabit was commissioned for the job?
3. Do you now agree that the first and second edition of the Arabic Quran were different?

While these four reciters were revered for their proficiency in reciting and understanding the Quran, compiling it into a written form required specific skills related to transcription, verification, and organization that may not have been their primary expertise.

The selection of Zaid ibn Thabit to lead the compilation committee was likely based on his experience as a scribe during Prophet Muhammad’s lifetime and his meticulous attention to detail rather than solely on individual recitation skills.

The committee appointed by Abu Bakr aimed to ensure a comprehensive collection and verification process that involved multiple sources and cross-checking methods to guarantee accuracy and authenticity in preserving the Quranic text.

Zaid ibn Thabit was involved in the compilation of the Quran during the times of both Abu Bakr and Uthman.

TenQ:
What was wrong with the Quran of Quran of Abu Bakr given to Hafsa to warrant editing by Zaid Zaid bin Thabit the second time?
Let it be known that four men from the Ansars memorised (collected) the complete Quran during the lifetime of Mohammed and taught others
Sahih al-Bukhari 3758
Narrated Masruq:
`Abdullah (bin Mas`ud) was mentioned before `Abdullah bin `Amr. The latter said, "That is a man I continue to love because I heard Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) saying, ' Learn the recitation of the Qur'an from (any of these) four persons: `Abdullah bin Masud, Salim the freed slave of Abu Hudhaifa, Ubai bin Ka`b, and Mu`adh bin Jabal." I do not remember whether he mentioned Ubai first or Mu`adh.


The Quran of Abubakar and Hafsa
1. The fear of permanently losing verses due to muslims fighting wars is said to have motivated the initial collection of the Qur'an under Caliph Abu Bakr.
Sahih al-Bukhari 4986
Narrated Zaid bin Thabit:
Abu Bakr As-Siddiq sent for me when the people of Yamama had been killed (i.e., a number of the Prophet's Companions who fought against Musailima). (I went to him) and found `Umar bin Al- Khattab sitting with him. Abu Bakr then said (to me), "`Umar has come to me and said: "Casualties were heavy among the Qurra' of the Qur'an (i.e. those who knew the Qur'an by heart) on the day of the Battle of Yamama, and I am afraid that more heavy casualties may take place among the Qurra' on other battlefields, whereby a large part of the Qur'an may be lost. Therefore I suggest, you (Abu Bakr) order that the Qur'an be collected." I said to `Umar, "How can you do something which Allah's Apostle did not do?" `Umar said, "By Allah, that is a good project." `Umar kept on urging me to accept his proposal till Allah opened my chest for it and I began to realize the good in the idea which `Umar had realized." Then Abu Bakr said (to me). 'You are a wise young man and we do not have any suspicion about you, and you used to write the Divine Inspiration for Allah's Messenger (ﷺ). So you should search for (the fragmentary scripts of) the Qur'an and collect it in one book." By Allah If they had ordered me to shift one of the mountains, it would not have been heavier for me than this ordering me to collect the Qur'an. Then I said to Abu Bakr, "How will you do something which Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) did not do?" Abu Bakr replied, "By Allah, it is a good project." Abu Bakr kept on urging me to accept his idea until Allah opened my chest for what He had opened the chests of Abu Bakr and `Umar. So I started looking for the Qur'an and collecting it from (what was written on) palme stalks, thin white stones and also from the men who knew it by heart, till I found the last Verse of Surat at-Tauba (Repentance) with Abi Khuzaima Al-Ansari, and I did not find it with anybody other than him. The Verse is: 'Verily there has come unto you an Apostle (Muhammad) from amongst yourselves. It grieves him that you should receive any injury or difficulty..(till the end of Surat-Baraa' (at-Tauba) (9.128-129). Then the complete manuscripts (copy) of the Qur'an remained with Abu Bakr till he died, then with `Umar till the end of his life, and then with Hafsa, the daughter of `Umar.

2. Then the complete manuscripts (copy) of the Qur'an remained with Abu Bakr till he died, then with `Umar till the end of his life, and then with Hafsa, the daughter of `Umar.

3. The third caliph Uthman was concerned because there were clear differences in the recitation of the Qur'an among the people. The differences were so great Uthman and his companions feared future dispute about the true Qur'an and its contents. So Uthman asked Hafsa for her copy so that a committee could write a single version of the Quran

Hafsas Quran was either not complete or it was edited and not just copied as can be observed in the hadith of Bukhari below

Sahih Bukhari Hadith 4987
Narrated Anas bin Malik:
Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman came to `Uthman at the time when the people of Sham and the people of Iraq were Waging war to conquer Arminya and Adharbijan. Hudhaifa was afraid of their (the people of Sham and Iraq) differences in the recitation of the Qur'an, so he said to `Uthman, "O chief of the Believers! Save this nation before they differ about the Book (Qur'an) as Jews and the Christians did before." So `Uthman sent a message to Hafsa saying, "Send us the manuscripts of the Qur'an so that we may compile the Qur'anic materials in perfect copies and return the manuscripts to you." Hafsa sent it to `Uthman. `Uthman then ordered Zaid bin Thabit, `Abdullah bin AzZubair, Sa`id bin Al-As and `AbdurRahman bin Harith bin Hisham to rewrite the manuscripts in perfect copies. `Uthman said to the three Quraishi men, "In case you disagree with Zaid bin Thabit on any point in the Qur'an, then write it in the dialect of Quraish, the Qur'an was revealed in their tongue." They did so, and when they had written many copies, `Uthman returned the original manuscripts to Hafsa. `Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur'anic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt.

Sahih al-Bukhari 4988
Zaid bin Thabit added, "A verse from Surat Ahzab was missed by me when we copied the Qur'an and I used to hear Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) reciting it. So we searched for it and found it with Khuza`ima bin Thabit Al-Ansari. (That Verse was):
'Among the Believers are men who have been true in their covenant with Allah.' (33.23)

Questions:
1. What was wrong with the Quran of Quran of Abu Bakr given to Hafsa to warrant editing by Zaid Zaid bin Thabit the second time?
2. There were four reciters of the Quran attested by Mohammed himself, why were none of them consulted in writing the Quran of Abu Bakr and later Uthman but instead Zaid Zaid bin Thabit was commissioned for the job?
3. Do you now agree that the first and second edition of the Arabic Quran were different?


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Exactly like a broken record this question is repeated even if paraphrased.
Seems the reality of the inconsistency of your trinitarian belief with monotheism pushes you.

Concisely for a repeated time as many have answered you before
The Quran's preservation is rooted in several factors: divine promise, meticulous oral transmission, detailed documentation, and rigorous scholarly efforts. Here are some key points supporting the preservation of the Quran:

1. Divine Promise:
Indeed, it is We who sent down the Qur'an and indeed, We will be its guardian." (Qur'an 15:9)

2. Oral Transmission:
Muslim communities prioritized memorization (hifz) and recitation (tajwid), ensuring accurate oral preservation.

3. Written Documentation:
During the Prophet Muhammad's (peace be upon him) life, portions of the Quran were written on various materials.

4. Compilation under Abu Bakr
After the Prophet's death, to preserve the Quran, Abu Bakr initiated the first collection into a single book, using written and memorized sources, incorporating testimonies from multiple companions.

5. Standardization under Uthman:
Caliph Uthman ibn Affan's era saw the Quran's standardization to a single dialect to prevent confusion as Islam spread.

6. Various Qira'at (Recitations):
These are authentic recitations tracing back to the Prophet, reflecting slight variations in pronunciation and dialectal use.

7. Scholarly Efforts:
Throughout Islamic history, scholars have meticulously documented and authenticated the chains of narration and the textual integrity of the Quran.

The differences in Qira'at, such as Hafs and Warsh, don't imply textual variation but rather highlight the richness of the Quran's oral tradition. Each Qira'ah has an authentic chain of transmission (isnad) and slight variations that are all considered as part of the original revelation.

Islamic scholarship holds that these factors combined have ensured that the Quran remains as it was revealed to the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), free from alteration.

Aemmyjah:
That is not an answer to my question

Do open your thread for that please

Ohyoudidnt:
Arianism, a Christological position in Christianity, was proposed by the Alexandrian presbyter Arius in the early 4th century. It emphasized that Jesus, as the Son of God, was created by God and gained popularity across the Eastern and Western Roman empires. However, it was declared a heresy by the Council of Nicaea in 325.

Beliefs of Arianism

Arianism is often viewed as a form of Unitarian theology that prioritizes God’s unity over the concept of the Trinity. Arius believed in the uniqueness of God as self-existent and immutable, contrasting this with the Son who was considered a created being without self-existence. This belief led to controversies regarding the nature and divinity of Jesus Christ.

The Council of Nicaea condemned Arius as a heretic and affirmed through a creed that the Son is “of one substance with the Father,” establishing orthodox Christian belief. Despite this, conflicts persisted for years, with various councils and emperors supporting different factions within Christianity.

Ohyoudidnt:
When and where was the Divinity of Jesus established?

The false claim to divinity of Jesus indeed contradicts the principles of monotheism. In monotheistic religions such as Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, the belief in one supreme deity is central. Monotheism asserts that there is only one true God who is to be worshipped and honored above all else. The concept of monotheism emphasizes the oneness and uniqueness of this divine being, rejecting the idea of multiple gods or deities.

The claim that Jesus is divine or par[quote author=Aemmyjah post=129416971]Do you condemn Hamas actions on Israel on October 7th
I hate the bloodshed and killing of all kinds and every region

t of a trinity challenges the core tenets of monotheism by introducing a multiplicity within the divine essence. This is a divergence from strict monotheism .[/quote]

In any case kindly keep to the subject of this thread

Aemmyjah:
Jesus never claimed to be equal or God himself
He said he's the Son of God
Muslims don't agree cos of how literal they think of father-son relationship as regards humans
Bible also says Adam, the angels are son of God.

You'd rather accept fanciful Apocryphal accounts instead of the inspired Bible account of Jesus
The account of the NT shows how Jesus, the promised Messiah fulfilled the prophecies of the OT


Now, my question for you sir
Bible says Noah, his wife, his 3 sons, his 3 sons wives were saved from the earth wide floor
Bible mentions that Noah had only 3 sons and people, nobody took note of his message until he entered the Ark

Since the true God is the Author of the Bible and you Muslims say that same One is the Source of the Quran... Well, God is not a God of confusion and we can't have 2 contradictory statements as truth... Also keep in mind that's there's a Torah as well...

Koran says that Noah's wife and one of his sons, Yam perished in the flood
Noah had followers
It says that the Flood was not earthwide
Even Noah's age is disputed cos Bible says he lived for 950 years, Koran says 952 years

1. How do you reconcile that?
Would God inspire 2 ancient accounts that is contradictory?


This is a personal question to you
I believe you are a noble minded Muslim, I don't follow Islamic conversations and I don't hate them and I prefer to do an independent study that believe in what people say or I ask those actively involved.

When a terrorist or group of terrorists (like Hamas) cause much harm, they praise Allah the benevolent as if it were a mission from God but when they are dealt cruelly, they, along with many Islamic communities cry injustice, islamophobia, UN rights... If Israel has a setback or ends the war, they say Hamas is winning but if Israel has upper hand, they say Palestinians are dying...

2. Do you as a Muslim condemn the October 7th attack? I ask cos the Muslim community seem to support what Hamas has done but some says they dont represent Islam but they were rejoicing on October 7th... There's nothing to be ashamed of so be plain, I read about Taqqiya
I don't support any war generally and I'm not in support or Israel conflicts

3. Should Zakat be encouraged or discouraged?

4. What is the difference Shiite Muslim and Sunni Muslim? What about the other sects?

5. Why are the Al-Qaeda, Taliban, Hezbollah, Al shabab, ISIL, ISIS, ISWAP, Boko Haram, etc all associated with Islam?

6. What is your thoughts as a Muslim in wife beating?

7. Finally, in what sense is Prophet Muhammad (SAW) a best or perfect exampler?
I studied his account from relevant sources. What triggered me is how many people will point accusing fingers on him as promoting violence, wife beating, mass murder and adultery. So I did my own research so I won't have any wrong impression of him based on hearsay. What I read was not good. Where is there any account to show he is merciful? It is only if I set aside my sense of justice and morality that I can place him as perfect exampler but Hitler, Stalin, Idi Amin, John Calvin, Bonafente will be in that league... Maybe you can help me adjust my thinking and I'm humbly learn... It's a promise

The roots of Al Qaeda can be traced back to the Soviet-Afghan war in the 1980s, during which the United States provided support to the Afghan mujahideen, including Osama bin Laden, in their fight against the Soviet Union. This support can be seen as a form of arming and training Al Qaeda, as many members of the organization were former mujahideen fighters who received support from the West.

Similarly, Hamas, a Palestinian militant group that has been involved in numerous attacks against Israel, has also been linked to Western support and training. The rise of Hamas can be seen as a byproduct of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, with the group emerging as a reaction to Israeli occupation and suppression of Palestinian rights. However, it is important to note that some argue that Western support for Israel has indirectly fueled the rise of Hamas, as the group has used Israeli actions as a rallying cry for its followers.

Learn to understand the reality of things happening.

Are you aware of the statement that the Third World War would be orchestrated between political Zionists and Islamic leaders. The conflict was envisioned as a means to have Islam and political Zionism mutually destroy each other, leading to significant global consequences?

Aemmyjah:
Jesus never claimed to be equal or God himself
He said he's the Son of God
Muslims don't agree cos of how literal they think of father-son relationship as regards humans
Bible also says Adam, the angels are son of God.

You'd rather accept fanciful Apocryphal accounts instead of the inspired Bible account of Jesus
The account of the NT shows how Jesus, the promised Messiah fulfilled the prophecies of the OT


Now, my question for you sir
Bible says Noah, his wife, his 3 sons, his 3 sons wives were saved from the earth wide floor
Bible mentions that Noah had only 3 sons and people, nobody took note of his message until he entered the Ark

Since the true God is the Author of the Bible and you Muslims say that same One is the Source of the Quran... Well, God is not a God of confusion and we can't have 2 contradictory statements as truth... Also keep in mind that's there's a Torah as well...

Koran says that Noah's wife and one of his sons, Yam perished in the flood
Noah had followers
It says that the Flood was not earthwide
Even Noah's age is disputed cos Bible says he lived for 950 years, Koran says 952 years

1. How do you reconcile that?
Would God inspire 2 ancient accounts that is contradictory?


This is a personal question to you
I believe you are a noble minded Muslim, I don't follow Islamic conversations and I don't hate them and I prefer to do an independent study that believe in what people say or I ask those actively involved.

When a terrorist or group of terrorists (like Hamas) cause much harm, they praise Allah the benevolent as if it were a mission from God but when they are dealt cruelly, they, along with many Islamic communities cry injustice, islamophobia, UN rights... If Israel has a setback or ends the war, they say Hamas is winning but if Israel has upper hand, they say Palestinians are dying...

2. Do you as a Muslim condemn the October 7th attack? I ask cos the Muslim community seem to support what Hamas has done but some says they dont represent Islam but they were rejoicing on October 7th... There's nothing to be ashamed of so be plain, I read about Taqqiya
I don't support any war generally and I'm not in support or Israel conflicts

3. Should Zakat be encouraged or discouraged?

4. What is the difference Shiite Muslim and Sunni Muslim? What about the other sects?

5. Why are the Al-Qaeda, Taliban, Hezbollah, Al shabab, ISIL, ISIS, ISWAP, Boko Haram, etc all associated with Islam?

6. What is your thoughts as a Muslim in wife beating?

7. Finally, in what sense is Prophet Muhammad (SAW) a best or perfect exampler?
I studied his account from relevant sources. What triggered me is how many people will point accusing fingers on him as promoting violence, wife beating, mass murder and adultery. So I did my own research so I won't have any wrong impression of him based on hearsay. What I read was not good. Where is there any account to show he is merciful? It is only if I set aside my sense of justice and morality that I can place him as perfect exampler but Hitler, Stalin, Idi Amin, John Calvin, Bonafente will be in that league... Maybe you can help me adjust my thinking and I'm humbly learn... It's a promise

Islamic tradition actually indicates a more nuanced account of Prophet Noah's family with respect to their salvation from the flood. The Quran mentions that one of Noah's sons was not among the saved because of his disbelief. Likewise, there is an indication that Noah's wife was not a believer.

Regarding Noah's son, Allah says in the Quran:

"And Noah called to his son, who was apart [from them], 'O my son, come aboard with us and be not with the disbelievers. [But] he said, 'l will take refuge on a mountain to protect me from the water.’ [Noah] said, There is no protector today from the decree of Allah, except for whom He gives mercy.’ And the waves came between them, and he was among the drowned." (Qur'an 11:42-43)

And regarding Noah's wife, Allah tells us:

"Allah sets forth an example for those who disbelieve: the wife of Noah and the wife of Lot. They were under two of our righteous servants but betrayed them, so they [the prophets] could not avail them from Allah at all, and it was said, ‘Enter the Fire with those who enter." (Quran 66:10)

Thus, in Islamic tradition, while Prophet Noah and some of his family were saved due to their faith and righteousness, not all members were spared from the punishment due to their disbelief.

MaxInDHouse:
One thing about most humans is prejudice and it makes no sense taking sides when you're supposed to be open minded.
If this discussion is truly about God and how to worship Him in the best sense then put aside prejudice and stop being biased.
I was also a Muslim before i embarked on this journey to find out what is wrong with religion if i've been supporting my parent's religion i'll just continue arguing blindly even when there are matters that's of serious concern.

Christianity is the only approved religion from God and i've told you how Satan used politics to pollute the true religion until Jesus returned to restore pure worship.

You may continue to support the religion your parents passed on to you but that's not a wise thing to do because in that case any religion others finds themselves should be OK to you since their parents also passed it on to them.

I have kept from taking sides among the various Christian groups.

Is it however the case that all Christians have venerated Jesus to the point of equating him to the almighty God?

MaxInDHouse:
Well there's a sacred secret that most people don't know today, Jesus returned in the year 1914 and since then he's been calling all his people to leave the pagan religion people are calling Christianity because they are not truly Christians {Revelations 18:4} after some years faithful people left the paganism and began doing the work Jesus assigned to his disciples in the first century {Matthew 28:19-20} it was a rough journey for them but at last they finally got it right and in the year 1931 God began calling this group by another name! Isaiah 65:15

Today they are known as JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES.

You will notice that all other religions claiming Christians hate this group with passion {Matthew 24:9; John 15:19} well it's because they're totally against politics the tool Satan is using to lead people into killing people {Revelations 6:3-4} this group love their neighbours {Mark 12:31} so they have vowed never to raise weapons against anyone! Isaiah 2:2-4

You have written about issues of disagreements with particularly a group of Christians. I do not intend to get into this aspect. I stick with the subject of this thread.

Is Christianity still adhering to monotheism or has the veneratuon of Jesus brought about a polytheist practice in their religious process?

MaxInDHouse:
When talking about faith in God politicians have nothing to benefit from the subject that's why they focus on any religion that will open a way for them to gain the support of the masses.

After Jesus' ascension to heaven the Jewish religious leaders began seeking support from nations where they have proselytes believing that if they begin fighting against Rome these proselytes won't allow Roman armies destroy Jerusalem and it's temple since all proselytes strongly believe in the worship they come to do yearly in Jerusalem.

But Jesus' disciples are now converting these proselytes to Christians the effect of this is that Christians have been taught by Jesus that there is no more holy land anywhere and only where Christians gather to worship in Jesus name is holy before God! John 4:24

That's why the Jews and their leaders hated the disciples of Christ with passion because they believe their teachings will render their country vulnerable since they won't fight as their teacher taught them! John 11:48

So after the death of Jesus' Apostles and the city that all proselytes thinks pure worship can be rendered (Jerusalem) was destroyed politicians who realized that Jesus' teachings is incredibly heartwarming joined the congregations but with the aim of using this newly found religion to gain support from all kinds of people, remember that since Jerusalem has been destroyed and most people from different countries throughout Asia has built strong faith in the God of Abraham another form of worship should be put in place to bring all these proselytes together again that's why they decided to pick Rome the world power back then as their city and in order to gain the approval of all kinds of people doctrines such as eternal torment of the dead, Trinity, the nobles go to heaven and so on was welcomed by the politicians who are claiming Christians, then who ever raise any objection saying what they are doing is against the teachings of Christ will face capital punishment: DEATH

That's how TRINITY, IMMORTALITY OF THE SOUL and many more became the teachings of the churches!

Interesting statement and quite informing.

Is it now the case that Christianity has now become or political tool or vice versa?

The subject of this thread remains HOW CHRISTIANITY MOVED AWAY FROM MONOTHEISM ; The Difference From Arianism - Religion.

In any case it is your book that obviously ties salvation to sacrifice.
Hebrews 9:22
In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.

Is the Trinitarian belief of Christianity Monotheism? Is it not a lie that 1=3 and 3=1?

Is it true that there are ancient beliefs in a triune god in Sumeria, Babylonia, India, Greece, Egypt, and other regions?

How did these not influence the formation of a trinitarian concept in Christianity?

TenQ:
Anyone can make a statement, but it takes facts to break falsehood. You made a claim but I have shown you real proof from your own religious literatures.
1. Allah is the cause of sin on earth
2. Allah is limited imitation edition of the Creator of everything.

My Evidences from your own Islamic books

Again:
Is it untrue that Allah the one who deceived Adam and Eve?

1. Is this hadith untrue?
Sahih al-Bukhari 6614
Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Adam and Moses argued with each other. Moses said to Adam. 'O Adam! You are our father who disappointed us and turned us out of Paradise.' Then Adam said to him, 'O Moses! Allah favored you with His talk (talked to you directly) and He wrote (the Torah) for you with His Own Hand. Do you blame me for action which Allah had written in my fate forty years before my creation?' So Adam confuted Moses, Adam confuted Moses," the Prophet (ﷺ) added, repeating the Statement three times.

So, who programmed Adam to sin?

2. Is it untrue that Allah misled/misguided Iblis just as he is doing to you Muslims now?
Quran 15:39
[Iblis (Satan)] said: “O my Lord! Because you misled me, I shall indeed adorn the path of error for them (mankind) on the earth, and I shall mislead them all.

The source of ALL misleadings into sin is Allah!

3. Just see what the jester offered
Quran 33:72
We did indeed offer the Trust to the Heavens and the Earth and the Mountains; but they refused to undertake it, being afraid thereof: but man undertook it;- He was indeed unjust and foolish;-

Can you please tell me why and how Man (Adam) became stupid and unjust because of the gift of Allah?



Can Allah be in Heaven and on the earth at the same time?

As usual you refuse to face the exact issues and start parambulating around issues not directly related.

The questions you ask have nothing to do with the fraudulent Polytheist pagan reality of the Trinity

TenQ:
Is it untrue that Allah the one who deceived Adam and Eve?

1. Is this hadith untrue?
Sahih al-Bukhari 6614
Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Adam and Moses argued with each other. Moses said to Adam. 'O Adam! You are our father who disappointed us and turned us out of Paradise.' Then Adam said to him, 'O Moses! Allah favored you with His talk (talked to you directly) and He wrote (the Torah) for you with His Own Hand. Do you blame me for action which Allah had written in my fate forty years before my creation?' So Adam confuted Moses, Adam confuted Moses," the Prophet (ﷺ) added, repeating the Statement three times.

So, who programmed Adam to sin?

2. Is it untrue that Allah misled/misguided Iblis just as he is doing to you Muslims now?
Quran 15:39
[Iblis (Satan)] said: “O my Lord! Because you misled me, I shall indeed adorn the path of error for them (mankind) on the earth, and I shall mislead them all.

The source of ALL misleadings into sin is Allah!

3. Just see what the jester offered
Quran 33:72
We did indeed offer the Trust to the Heavens and the Earth and the Mountains; but they refused to undertake it, being afraid thereof: but man undertook it;- He was indeed unjust and foolish;-

Can you please tell me why and how Man (Adam) became stupid and unjust because of the gift of Allah?



Can Allah be in Heaven and on the earth at the same time?

TenQ:
From someone whose two examples out of the Five requested to show that AHAD mean ONE are Quran 7:70 and Quran 4:43

Muslims revel in lies even to themselves: they have to redefine Ahad as Waheed to make any iota of sense in their religion!

I have shown you the limitation and implication of Taoheed:
Allah is NOT Omnipresent
Allah is NOT Omnipotent
Allah is NOT Omniscient

How can he be the Creator of the Universe:
Is it untrue that Allah is the same one that deceived Adam and Eve?

No amount of religion and Islamic rigmaroles will deliver your from your delusion

Gross display of ineptitude and ignorance. I gave you a test and surely you fail. You keep failing. I said identify, did you specifically?

Ohyoudidnt:
You are the expert at Arabic yes?يَـٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوا۟ لَا تَقْرَبُوا۟ ٱلصَّلَوٰةَ وَأَنتُمْ سُكَـٰرَىٰ حَتَّىٰ تَعْلَمُوا۟ مَا تَقُولُونَ وَلَا جُنُبًا إِلَّا عَابِرِى سَبِيلٍ حَتَّىٰ تَغْتَسِلُوا۟ ۚ وَإِن كُنتُم مَّرْضَىٰٓ أَوْ عَلَىٰ سَفَرٍ أَوْ جَآءَ أَحَدٌۭ مِّنكُم مِّنَ ٱلْغَآئِطِ أَوْ لَـٰمَسْتُمُ ٱلنِّسَآءَ فَلَمْ تَجِدُوا۟ مَآءًۭ فَتَيَمَّمُوا۟ صَعِيدًۭا طَيِّبًۭا فَٱمْسَحُوا۟ بِوُجُوهِكُمْ وَأَيْدِيكُمْ ۗ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ كَانَ عَفُوًّا غَفُورًا

Identity Ahad here and show it means one of

And here too:
قَالُوٓا۟ أَجِئْتَنَا لِنَعْبُدَ ٱللَّهَ وَحْدَهُۥ وَنَذَرَ مَا كَانَ يَعْبُدُ ءَابَآؤُنَا ۖ فَأْتِنَا بِمَا تَعِدُنَآ إِن كُنتَ مِنَ ٱلصَّـٰدِقِينَ

You don't get it and unless Allah wills you never will.

The concept of the Holy Trinity, which refers to the Christian belief in one God existing in three persons - Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, has its roots in ancient pagan religions.

The trinity is not a unique concept introduced by Christianity, but rather borrowed and adapted from earlier pagan beliefs. In ancient Egypt, the deity Horus was often depicted as the son of the god Osiris and the goddess Isis, forming a trinity of sorts. Similarly, in ancient Babylon, the trinity of Ishtar, Sin, and Shamash represented the mother, father, and son.

TenQ:
Face your own examples. If I gave you shit, will you adopt it as yours?

The list was to help you in case you don't have nt know where to look: you are the one supposed to give me FIVE verses where AHAD is used in the Qur'an as ONE


You gave two scriptures
Quran 7:70 and
Quran 4:43

Like said before you are not yet worthy for conversation. Bulk of what you gave as example are off so you obviously don't know enough of what you are saying. Just a vocal ignorant and disillusioned diarrhoea.

You have absolutely nothing to prove polutheist triune god worship in trinitarian core of Christianity is not monotheism.

Strong likelihood of idolatry in disguise.

TenQ:
Check again probably you are dazed with overeating.

You gave two scriptures
Quran 7:70
"They said, 'Have you come to us to make us worship Allah alone and to abandon what our fathers used to worship? Then bring us what you promise us, if you should be among the truthful.'"

Is Ahad the same as وَحْدَهُ: "Waḥdahu"

2. Quran 4:43
"O you who have believed, do not approach prayer while you are intoxicated until you know what you are saying or in a state of janabah, except those passing through [a place of prayer], until you have washed [your whole body]. And if you are ill or on a journey or one of you comes from the place of relieving himself or you have contacted women and find no water, then seek clean earth and wipe over your faces and hands with it. Indeed, Allah is ever Pardoning and Forgiving."

I asked you to find Ahad but you present "أحدٌ" (ahadun) and it means ONE OF in the verse

Is it untrue that the Question I asked you were

1. How many times did the word Ahad exist in the Quran
2. I asked you to give me FIVE verses with the word AHAD in the Quran


You scored 101% sir


Is the verse قَالُوٓا۟ أَجِئْتَنَا لِنَعْبُدَ ٱللَّهَ وَحْدَهُۥ وَنَذَرَ مَا كَانَ يَعْبُدُ ءَابَآؤُنَا ۖ فَأْتِنَا بِمَا تَعِدُنَآ إِن كُنتَ مِنَ ٱلصَّـٰدِقِينَ
not Qur'an 7:70 ?

As envisaged you talk without not just before thinking. Did you?

TenQ:
Do you want me to help you out with verses?

Surah Al-Baqarah (2:163)
Surah Al-Baqarah (2:165)
Surah Al-An'am (6:19)
Surah Al-An'am (6:22)
Surah Al-An'am (6:102)
Surah Al-An'am (6:106)
Surah Al-An'am (6:109)
Surah Al-An'am (6:113)
Surah Al-An'am (6:115)
Surah Al-An'am (6:136)
Surah Al-An'am (6:158)
Surah Al-An'am (6:164)
Surah Al-An'am (6:164)
Surah Al-An'am (6:168)
Surah Al-An'am (6:171)
Surah Al-An'am (6:171)
Surah Al-An'am (6:171)
Surah Al-An'am (6:171)
Surah Al-An'am (6:171)
Surah Al-An'am (6:171)
Surah Al-Ikhlas (112:1)
Surah Al-Ikhlas (112:2)

Go on to write out your first example; 2:163

gaskiyamagana:
Wait for the answer from me till second coming of Jesus Christ, your saviour.

Don't mind these confused lot especially this one TenQ. Small translation and use of language translators they want to confuse themselves more.

Allah subhana wata Allah is the only God, whereas Eloha in Hebrew is a term used for God in a generic sense. Despite sharing a common linguistic origin, these words are not interchangeable due to their specific cultural and religious associations.

Allah is a proper noun referring solely to the Islamic deity. On the other hand, in Hebrew, “Elohim” serves as a generic term for gods or deities, highlighting the nuanced differences in how these terms are perceived within their linguistic and cultural frameworks.

TenQ:
Unfortunately it is you who doesn't know the difference between Ahad and Waheed!

Waheed is strictly ONE
Ahad is "ONE OF" many

It would have made sense if Allah is Waheed rather than Allah being Ahad

You need to go back to Ile-Kewu: you only memorised without learning anything.

I asked you two questions
1. How many times did the word Ahad exist in the Quran
2. I asked you to give me FIVE verses with the word AHAD in the Quran

Type wahid in Arabic.

Check the transliteration of Arabic as a[b] LIEING[/b] Tenq obviously cannot read arabic and is claiming.

Wa ilaahukum ilaahun wahid(wahidun), la ilaha illa huwar raahamanur raaheem(raaheemu).