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ANTllSLAAM:
Thank God I am quoting from Quran which I knw you'll believe and trust in more than your hadith. Am I the author of your glorious Quran bah? You are a shame to Islamic world




Is like you know Quran more than the authors of your war manual book, quran

Quran 10:94 Irving & Mohamed Hegab

If you are in any doubt concerning what We have sent down to you, then question those who have read the Book (Bible) before you: Truth has come to you from your Lord, so do not be a waverer;

CAN YOU SEE BIBLE WRITTENTHEREIN OR YOU NEED THE ARABIC VERSION OF IT?

فَإِن
fa-in
So if
كُنتَ
kunta
you are
فِي
fi
in
شَكّٖ
shakkin
doubt
مِّمَّآ
mimma
of what
أَنزَلۡنَآ
anzalna
We have revealed
إِلَيۡكَ
ilayka
to you
فَسۡـَٔلِ
fasali
then ask
ٱلَّذِينَ
alladhina
those who
يَقۡرَءُونَ
yaqrauna
(have been) reading
ٱلۡكِتَٰبَ
al-kitaba
the Book
مِن
min
before you
قَبۡلِكَۚ
qablika
before you
لَقَدۡ
laqad
Verily
جَآءَكَ
jaaka
has come to you
ٱلۡحَقُّ
al-haqu
the truth
مِن
min
from
رَّبِّكَ
rabbika
your Lord
فَلَا
fala
so (do) not
تَكُونَنَّ
takunanna
be
مِنَ
mina
among
ٱلۡمُمۡتَرِينَ
al-mum'tarina
the doubters
٩٤
فَإِن كُنتَ فِى شَكٍّۢ مِّمَّآ أَنزَلْنَآ إِلَيْكَ فَسْـَٔلِ ٱلَّذِينَ يَقْرَءُونَ ٱلْكِتَـٰبَ مِن قَبْلِكَ ۚ لَقَدْ جَآءَكَ ٱلْحَقُّ مِن رَّبِّكَ فَلَا تَكُونَنَّ مِنَ ٱلْمُمْتَرِينَ

ANTIIISLAM kindly show the word that translates to Bible and if you like call TENQ and SIRTEE15 who seem to redefine the Arabic language.

Did you consider these verses along with your misconception of Quran 10:94?

Have you done research on the age of Mary the mother of Yeshua peace be on both of them? The latter you call Jesus.

By your standards it's wrong for her to her had a child before the age of 20. Do fact check.

ANTllSLAAM:
Surah 10:94 Quran says you slaves should seek for knowledge from we Christians as the author of Quran sees you Muslims as hopeless, useless and foolish beings on earth

So if you are in doubt, [O Muhammad], about that which We have revealed to you, then ask those who have been reading the Scripture before you. The truth has certainly come to you from your Lord, so never be among the doubters. And Quran 10:95 states
And do not be of those who deny God’s signs and so be of the losers."


Do you feel there's any extra speciality in this? What scriptures came before the Quran? The Torah, The Psalms are especially mentioned. The Injil was not collected in the lifetime of Jesus and I doubt it ever was. Is confirming the oneness of God from the former scriptures a folly or that Moses pbuh led the Israelites from slavery in Egypt? Is it about who David is and the battle with Goliath or what really is your point?

The meaning of ask those who read the book before you is to ask the Jews who believed about the qualities of the Prophet mentioned in their scriptures.

ANTllSLAAM:
WHO IS A MUSLIM with Quran evidence? Let me start with you from that angle

"And struggle in the way of God, in order to establish His religion, a struggle worthy of Him, by expending all effort therein. He has elected you, He has chosen you for His religion, and has not laid upon you in your religion any hardship, that is, [any] constraint, for He has facilitated [adherence to] it during times of difficulty, such as [His permitting you] to shorten prayers, to seek ritual purification from earth, to eat of carrion, and to break the fast during illness or travel — the creed of your father Abraham. He, that is, God, named you Muslims before, that is, before this Book, and in this, that is, [in] the Qur'an, so that the Messenger might be a witness against you, on the Day of Resurrection, that he delivered the Message to you, and that you might be witnesses against mankind, that their messengers delivered the Message to them. So maintain prayer, observe it regularly, and pay the alms, and hold fast to God, trust in Him. He is your Patron, your Helper and the Guardian of your affairs. An excellent Patron, is He, and an excellent Helper, for you."
(QS. Al-Hajj 22: Verse 78)

ANTllSLAAM:
If your religion didn't lack manners and respect, why would a man of 53yr of age married a teenage girl of just 6yr of age

Please teenage girl of just 6 years? Kindly define who or what is teenage.

What was the age of Mary when she bore Jesus.


The Gospel of Luke describes Mary as a virgin who was betrothed to Joseph, a carpenter from Nazareth. Betrothal in ancient Jewish culture was a formal arrangement similar to engagement but more binding. It typically occurred when the individuals were quite young, often in their early teens. Given this cultural practice, it is reasonable to infer that Mary was likely a teenager, possibly between the ages of 12 to 14, at the time of the Annunciation when she conceived Jesus through the Holy Spirit.

ANTllSLAAM:
You left my question unanswered, I answered yours by telling you that Jesus Christ died and resurrected. Maybe allah has blindfolded you to see my response

We are not discussing James here but if you want to know more about James, why not open another thread on James rather than deviating



The Jews didn't accepted Muhammad I think you know? Christians all over the world didn't accepted Muhammad the pedophile messenger of allah but yet you allah's slaves accepted Jesus Christ even more than the Jews

Obviously I don't get your question kindly restate.

Also there's no consensus appart from some Christian view that Jesus was resurrected.

Outside of Christian belief, there is a lack of consensus among scholars and historians regarding the resurrection of Jesus.

I make reference to the Jews not accepting Jesus as by some your books he is a jew. Muhammad pbuh was sent to Arabia and a good number accepted him.

Not all Jews were receptive to the message of Prophet Muhammad. Some tribes in Medina, such as the Banu Qaynuqa, Banu Nadir, and Banu Qurayza, initially opposed the Muslim community and even engaged in conflict. However, others were more open to dialogue and negotiation. For instance, the Jews of Khaybar, led by the prominent Jewish leader Kinana ibn al-Rabi’, eventually made a treaty with Prophet Muhammad in 628 CE, allowing them to live under Muslim protection in exchange for tribute and cooperation.

Some Jewish scholars and communities did eventually accept Prophet Muhammad as a prophet, recognizing his message as consistent with their own religious traditions. One notable example is Rabbi ‘Amr al-Dabbi, who converted to Islam and became an influential figure in the Muslim community.
Al-Husayn ibn Salam a new who became
Abdullah ibn Salam is a prominent jew who became muslim

ANTllSLAAM:
We agree with you that allah is powerless for failing to resurrect his one and only messenger that was poisoned to death

Jesus Christ died and resurrected, he is alive till eternity. That shows how powerful Jesus Christ is

Call the fire brigade seems there are fires thanks to the liars that set pants on fire.

Where did we agree?

Where did Allah show power to resurrect a prophet and why?

Why will he go against his word in Hebrew 9:27
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment?

You still leave my questions unanswered?
You don't have answers?

Ohyoudidnt:
Point of pertinent interest.
@ANTllSLAAM

What is so peculiar about resurrection and which prophet can you prove was resurrected.

Ohyoudidnt:
How many prophet's were resurrected from death or you no longer believe in the saying that it is appointed for man to die once?

Can I ask you why James is seen or called the brother of Jesus? Could you explain the reality in this?

The death of James also points clearly that the Jews never accepted Jesus or his teachings? How will the world accept this Jesus who's tribe never accepted him?

ANTllSLAAM:
Did you recognize any other prophet aside Muhammad during your solat is the question





So it is only Muhammad you must recognize during call for your solat abi?




I don't ask you for any meaning of anything. The question again is if your all knowing is powerful as you said, why can't he resurrect his one and only messenger instead of watching him rotted for days before been buried?


Sahih Bukhari 3667

Narrated ‘Aisha: (the wife of the Prophet) Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) died while Abu Bakr was at a place called As-Sunah (Al-‘Aliya) ‘Umar stood up and said, “By Allah! Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) is not dead!” ‘Umar (later on) said, “By Allah! Nothing occurred to my mind except that.” He said, “Verily! Allah will resurrect him and he will cut the hands and legs of some men.” Then Abu Bakr came and uncovered the face of Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ), kissed him and said, “Let my mother and father be sacrificed for you, (O Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ)), you are good in life and in death.

Point of pertinent interest.
@ANTllSLAAM

What is so peculiar about resurrection and which prophet can you prove was resurrected.

Umar's denial reflects the deep love and reverence the Companions had for the Prophet (PBUH), and such a moment of intense emotion is understandable.
Later, Abu Bakr (RA) arrived and, after confirming the Prophet's death, he addressed the people with a reminder from the Qur'an that Muhammad (PBUH) was a messenger, and that messengers before him had passed away: "Muhammad is but a messenger; [other] messengers have passed on before him. So if he was to die or be killed, would you turn back on your heels [to unbelief]? And he who turns back on his heels will never harm Allah at all; but Allah will reward the grateful." (Qur'an 3:144) and You ˹O Prophet˺ will certainly die, and they will die too. (Quran 39:30)

Then Antiislam be aware that on the Day of Judgment you will ˹all settle your˺ dispute before your Lord Quran 39:31.


However I see you passed on answering my previous question. Do answer and answer the question at the beginning of this post.

Ohyoudidnt:
Interesting submission. However I sense a little typo in the post you refer to. In any case to respond to your question the name of Muhammad pbuh is mentioned at some parts of solat like the call to prayer as has been since during the prophet's time and the name of Ibrahim may Allah be pleased with him is also mentioned in the testimony of faith (Tashahhud).


2. Muhammad pbuh is one of a numbered number of messengers Allah sent amongst mankind. Indeed all is appointed to die at a point except Allah.

In relation to the hadith you quote is it not clear to you that Sahih Bukhari 3667 provides insights into the emotional reactions of prominent companions of the Prophet Muhammad during a critical moment in Islamic history – the passing of the final messenger of Allah. A case of rejection which is a normal human behaviour that one so dear should not pass away but in submission to the will of Allah and natural occurrence the reality of his death is accepted.

How many prophet's were resurrected from death or you no longer believe in the saying that it is appointed for man to die once?

Can I ask you why James is seen or called the brother of Jesus? Could you explain the reality in this?

The death of James also points clearly that the Jews never accepted Jesus or his teachings? How will the world accept this Jesus who's tribe never accepted him?

ANTllSLAAM:
1.
If Muhammad is not one and only messenger of allah, why not mentioning other's name aside Muhammad during your solat?

2.
If your all knowing is powerful as you said, why can't he resurrect his one and only messenger instead of watching him rotted for days before been buried?


Sahih Bukhari 3667

Narrated ‘Aisha: (the wife of the Prophet) Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) died while Abu Bakr was at a place called As-Sunah (Al-‘Aliya) ‘Umar stood up and said, “By Allah! Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) is not dead!” ‘Umar (later on) said, “By Allah! Nothing occurred to my mind except that.” He said, “Verily! Allah will resurrect him and he will cut the hands and legs of some men.” Then Abu Bakr came and uncovered the face of Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ), kissed him and said, “Let my mother and father be sacrificed for you, (O Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ)), you are good in life and in death.


ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS

Interesting submission. However I sense a little typo in the post you refer to. In any case to respond to your question the name of Muhammad pbuh is mentioned at some parts of solat like the call to prayer as has been since during the prophet's time and the name of Ibrahim may Allah be pleased with him is also mentioned in the testimony of faith (Tashahhud).


2. Muhammad pbuh is one of a numbered number of messengers Allah sent amongst mankind. Indeed all is appointed to die at a point except Allah.

In relation to the hadith you quote is it not clear to you that Sahih Bukhari 3667 provides insights into the emotional reactions of prominent companions of the Prophet Muhammad during a critical moment in Islamic history – the passing of the final messenger of Allah. A case of rejection which is a normal human behaviour that one so dear should not pass away but in submission to the will of Allah and natural occurrence the reality of his death is accepted.

How many prophet's were resurrected from death or you no longer believe in the saying that it is appointed for man to die once?

Can I ask you why James is seen or called the brother of Jesus? Could you explain the reality in this?

The death of James also points clearly that the Jews never accepted Jesus or his teachings? How will the world accept this Jesus who's tribe never accepted him?

TenQ:
And this scripture has been fulfilled if you don't know. Jesus spoke about it and in 70AD, Israel was sacked and the land became desolate throden by Gentiles, Wild Animals and Muslims until 1948 when it seems there was no hope for them.

What do you think Bani Israel was doing in Arabia when Mohammed was slaughtering a whole community of 700 males in one single community?

Too bad for you, you should have read

Jeremiah 29:14:
"I will be found by you," declares the LORD, "and will bring you back from captivity. I will gather you from all the nations and places where I have banished you," declares the LORD, "and will bring you back to the place from which I carried you into exile."

You really think it is a one of occurrence?

Are there people in this age that still worship Baal?

Does your Bible not say even if fundamentally wrong that Jesus says not all truly call him master?

Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

Titus 1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

TenQ:
Secondly,
If the earth is not flat, why did Allah through Mohammed order you to pray towards Mecca?

Tell me how people who. live in Australia should face the Kaaba when praying to Allah?

The qibla direction for Muslims is determined based on the shortest path, known as the great-circle route, between their current location and the Kaaba in Mecca. This calculation takes into account the curvature of the Earth to ensure that Muslims are facing towards Mecca during their prayers.

If the Earth were flat, the concept of facing a specific direction towards Mecca would not be feasible for Muslims around the globe. On a flat Earth, determining a universal qibla direction would be impossible, as different locations would have different directions pointing towards Mecca. The curvature of the Earth plays a crucial role in accurately calculating the qibla direction for Muslims worldwide.


In conclusion, if the Earth were flat, it would not be possible for all Muslims to face towards Mecca during prayer due to the geographical implications of a flat surface. The spherical shape of the Earth allows for accurate qibla calculations that enable Muslims globally to orient themselves towards the Kaaba in Mecca during their worship.


NASA (National Aeronautics and Space Administration) is a reliable source for information on astronomy and Earth’s shape, supporting the understanding of how the Earth’s curvature affects directional calculations.

TenQ:
Mr Ohyoudidnt

Why do you think Allah thinks that the earth is flat?

Reference please?

The word “دَحَـهَا” in Quran 79:30 is often translated as “spread out” or “flattened” in the context of the earth. However, it does not necessarily imply a flat earth as some may claim.

Linguistic Analysis of the Word “دَحَـهَا” Da-ha-haa

The word “دَحَـهَا” is derived from the root “d-h-h”, which generally means to spread or extend something. In the context of Quran 79:30, it is used to describe the earth being spread out or extended. This does not inherently mean a flat earth, as the same root can be used to describe spreading out or extending something in a flat or curved manner.

Scientific Accuracy of Quran 79:30

The scientific accuracy of Quran 79:30 is not compromised by the use of the word “دَحَـهَا”, as it does not necessarily imply a flat earth. In fact, the verse goes on to describe the earth as being “outstretched” and the heavens being “raised high”, which can be interpreted as a reflection of the scientific understanding of the spherical shape of both the earth and the heavens.

TenQ:
My emphasis is the highlighted in RED .
Is the part in RED true or False ?

Qur'an 29:46
Do not argue with the people of the Book unless in a fair way, apart from those who act wrongly, and say to them: "We believe what has been sent down to us, and we believe what has been sent down to you. Our God and your God is one, and to Him we submit."


Do you concur that this verse is a Fabrication

You need to look in your own compilation called the Bible. Look in Deuteronomy 29.

Deuteronomy 29

22 Your children who follow you in later generations and foreigners who come from distant lands will see the calamities that have fallen on the land and the diseases with which the Lord has afflicted it.
23 The whole land will be a burning waste of salt and sulfur—nothing planted, nothing sprouting, no vegetation growing on it. It will be like the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, Admah and Zeboyim, which the Lord overthrew in fierce anger.

24 All the nations will ask: “Why has the Lord done this to this land? Why this fierce, burning anger?”

25 And the answer will be: “It is because this people abandoned the covenant of the Lord, the God of their ancestors, the covenant he made with them when he brought them out of Egypt

26 They went off and worshiped other gods and bowed down to them, gods they did not know, gods he had not given them

TenQ:
Qur'an 29:46
Do not argue with the people of the Book unless in a fair way, apart from those who act wrongly, and say to them: "We believe what has been sent down to us, and we believe what has been sent down to you. Our God and your God is one, and to Him we submit."


Do you agree that this verse is a Fabrication

The verse Quran 29:46 emphasizes the importance of engaging with the people of the Book (Christians and Jews) in a fair and respectful manner. It teaches us the importance of maintaining a harmonious relationship with individuals from different faith backgrounds, emphasizing the commonalities we share rather than focusing on our differences.

TenQ:
Tafsir Qur'an 36.13-17 Kathir - Ibn Al Kathir
(so We reinforced them with a third,) means, `We supported and strengthened them with a third Messenger. ' Ibn Jurayj narrated from Wahb bin Sulayman, from Shu`ayb Al-Jaba'i, "The names of the first two Messengers were Sham`un and Yuhanna, and the name of the third was Bulus (Paul) , and the city was Antioch (Antakiyah).

ibn Kathir shows the flaws in the view of earlier scholars who interpreted the city to be Antioch and the sender of the messengers to be 'Isa () in three points:

We have already referred to the reports from many of the Salaf that this city was Antioch, and that these three Messengers were messengers sent from the Messiah 'Isa bin Maryam, peace be upon him, as Qatadah and others stated. This is not mentioned by any of the later scholars of Tafsir besides him, and this issue must be examined from a number of angles. (The first) is that if we take this story at face value, it indicates that these men were Messengers from Allah, may He be glorified, not from the Messiah, peace be upon him, as Allah says:
(It was but one Sayhah and lo! they (all) were still)." Ibn Jarir said, "The former view is more correct, because the Message does not need to be brought by an army." The scholars of Tafsir said, "Allah sent Jibril, peace be upon him, to them, and he seized the pillars at the gate of their city, then he hurled one Sayhah upon them and lo! they (all) were still, to the last man among them, and no soul was left in any body." We have already referred to the reports from many of the Salaf that this city was Antioch, and that these three Messengers were messengers sent from the Messiah 'Isa bin Maryam, peace be upon him, as Qatadah and others stated. This is not mentioned by any of the later scholars of Tafsir besides him, and this issue must be examined from a number of angles.
The first is that if we take this story at face value, it indicates that these men were Messengers from Allah, may He be glorified, not from the Messiah, peace be upon him, as Allah says:
(When We sent to them two Messengers, they denied them both; so We reinforced them with a third, and they said: "Verily, we have been sent to you as Messengers."
up to:
("Our Lord knows that we have been sent as Messengers to you. And our duty is only to convey plainly (the Message)."
If they had been from among the Disciples, they would have said something to indicate that they had come from the Messiah, peace be upon him. And Allah knows best. Moreover, if they had been messengers sent by the Messiah, why would the people have said to them,
("You are only human beings like ourselves"
The second is that the people of Antioch did believe in the messengers sent by the Messiah to them. Antioch was the first city to believe in the Messiah, and it is one of the four cities in which there are Christian patriarchs. These cities are: Jerusalem, because it is the city of the Messiah; Antioch, because it was the first city where all of the people believed in the Messiah; Alexandria, because it was in that city that they agreed to reform the hierarchy of patriarchs, metropolitans (archbishops), bishops, priests, deacons and monks; and Rome, because it is the city of the Emperor Constantine who supported and helped to establish their religion. When he adopted Constantinople as his city, the Patriarch of Rome moved there, as has been mentioned by several historian, such as Sa'id bin Batriq and others, both People of the Book and Muslims. If we accept that, then the people of Antioch were the first to believe, but Allah tells us that the people of this town rejected HisMessengers and that He destroyed them with one Sayhah and lo! they (all) were still. And Allah knows best.
The third is that the story of Antioch and the Disciples of the Messiah happened after the Tawrah had been revealed. Abu Sa'id Al-Khudri, may Allah be pleased with him, and others among the Salaf stated that after revealing the Tawrah, Allah, may He be blessed and exalted, did not destroy an entire nation by sending a punishment upon them. Rather, He commanded the believers to fight the idolators. They mentioned this when discussing the Ayah: (And indeed We gave Musa -- after We had destroyed the generations of old -- the Scripture) (28:43).
This implies that the city mentioned in the Qur'an is a city other than Antioch, as also stated by more than one of the Salaf. Or, if we wish to keep the same name, it is possible that it is another Antioch, not the one which is well-known, for it is not known that it (the famous Antioch) was destroyed, either during Christian times or before. And Allah knows best.

From the above we may safely say that ibn Kathir quoted these reports and refuted them at the end of the story so who ever shares this information without quoting ibn Kathir's real position on the topic is falsely quoting ibn Kathir. Nevertheless one could also say that there's a difference of opinion among scholars on this topic.

Pretty interesting.

Fundamental questions should be answered.

Who destroyed the Temple of Solomon?

ahmedio2017:
Now the question is do you believe in Allah?
You this hypocrite, do you believe in prophet Muhammad s.a.w. that verse is talking to the Christians, Jews and the likes who believe in ALLAH you too read and understand. Do you believe in ALLAH?

Salvation is not guaranteed for any religious group solely based on their religious identity. Instead, it is conditional upon belief in Allah, the Last Day, and righteous deeds. This means that not all Christians may be eligible for the promise of salvation mentioned in Quran 2:62.

TenQ:
The problem is not about the plural majesty but the bad grammar or slip of tongue in the text of Allah. It is impossible that within the same verse sentence , if Allah is a WE, he cannot at the same time be a YOUR

Again:

Qur'an 17:8
It may be that your Lord will have mercy on you, but if ye repeat (the crime) We shall repeat (the punishment), and We have appointed hell a dungeon for the disbelievers.

It is obvious from the verse above that if Allah is the "WE", he cannot also be the "YOUR"!

Is it not easier, clearer and better for Allah to say:
Qur'an 17:8
It may be that WE your Lord will have mercy on you, but if ye repeat (the crime) We shall repeat (the punishment), and We have appointed hell a dungeon for the disbelievers.

The above is a Perfect revision by a mortal man isn't it!?

But this Qur'an 17:8 is obviously a Slip of Tongue from someone trying very hard to impersonate the God of Israel!

Bad grammar in English translation or bad grammar in Arabic language?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XusHThXpT3g?si=1GBW-TbYgFbbATxm

MightySparrow:
Your logic is correct. The issue of Trinity is much more than one verse or one author.
I would like to know if Arabic has such plural of Majesty. I am teaching myself a little Arabic with texts and YouTube. I am not that proficient.

The Plural of Majesty is what @Tenq seems to be asking though he claims it is not.

It is a feature of literary style in Arabic that a person may refer to himself by the pronoun nahnu, ‘We’, for respect or glorification. 2- He may also use the word ana, ‘I’, indicating one person, or the third person huwa, ‘He’. All three styles are used in the Quran, where Allah addresses the Arabs in their own tongue.

Verily, We have given you a manifest victory” [Al-Fath 48:1]

Surah Al-Mulk (67:1) - “Blessed is He in Whose Hand is dominion, and He over all things has power

The Day when the Trumpet will be sounded: that Day, We shall gather the sinful, blear-eyed (with terror). In whispers will they consult each other: ‘You tarried not longer than ten (days).

We know very well what they say, when the best of them in his ways will say, “You did not remain more than one day

It is We/us who have sent down the Remembrance

In the Quran, there are instances where Allah is referred to with the plural of majesty. This form of speech, known as the “royal we” or “majestic plural,” is a linguistic feature used to denote honor, power, and greatness.

MightySparrow:
Your logic is correct. The issue of Trinity is much more than one verse or one author.
I would like to know if Arabic has such plural of Majesty. I am teaching myself a little Arabic with texts and YouTube. I am not that proficient.

It's not my logic but this:

https://www.gotquestions.org/majestic-plural.html

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Ohyoudidnt:
Is this your reply?

Is there anything that depreciates this Qur'an verse (modified)
Qur'an 17:8
It may be that WE your Lord will have mercy on you, but if ye repeat (the crime) We shall repeat (the punishment), and We have appointed hell a dungeon for the disbelievers.

Is this not perfectly clear in message?
Allah has used "WE" and "YOUR" is there no difference both in English and in Arabic?




Joining your thread following another's earlier response, I made contributions to answers outside your subject which you definitely encourage and decide to dwell on because you are unable to stay focussed and get distracted?

Is the following too not your reply?

The majestic plural, also called the royal plural, is the use of a plural word (such as the pronoun we or us) to refer to a single person. As a type of nosism, the majestic plural emphasizes something or honors someone in a stylistic way. Basically, when a member of royalty, referring to himself, says, “We” instead of “I,” he is using the majestic plural. For example, Queen Victoria, upon hearing a tasteless joke, is said to have replied, “We are not amused.”

The ancient Hebrews used the majestic plural, and some examples are found in the Old Testament. But the construction is not unique to Hebrew. The Latin language also had what the Romans called pluralis maiestatis (“the plural of majesty”), and, as has been noted, English sometimes uses it as well. Other modern languages using the royal plural include Punjabi, Hindustani, Telugu, and Egyptian Arabic (in which the President of Egypt is referred to as “Your Excellencies”).

The effect of the majestic plural is to indicate greatness, power, and prestige. It is normally reserved for use by nobles, kings, popes, and other persons of high rank when speaking in an official capacity or by those of lower rank when speaking of or to their betters.

In the Bible, we find four verses in which God refers to Himself using plural pronouns. The most well-known passage is Genesis 1:26: “Then God said, ‘Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness.’” See also Genesis 3:22; Genesis 11:7; and Isaiah 6:8. The One God is speaking of Himself in plural form: us and our. This is a perfect example of the majestic plural. God’s divine greatness and transcendence are emphasized through the simple use of pronouns.

The majestic plural is also found in one of God’s most common names in the Old Testament, Elohim. The word itself is plural (the singular is Eloah), and it is sometimes translated as “gods” (when referring to a plurality of false gods). When it refers to the One True God, Elohim (plural) is correctly translated as “God” (singular).

Deuteronomy 4:35 says, “The LORD is God”—literally, “Yahweh is Elohim.” And the famous Shema says, “The LORD our God, the LORD is one.” Again, we have the singular Lord coupled with the plural Elohim, and this time in a verse that is crystal clear that there is only one God. His name’s plural form indicates His sovereign supremacy, His matchless might, and His exceeding eminence.

We carefully note that the majestic plural in the Old Testament was not meant to teach the doctrine of the Trinity. It is simply a linguistic tool that God employed to accentuate His greatness. However, the use of plural constructions to refer to God leaves open the possibility of God’s triune nature. Later, when the doctrine of the Trinity is revealed in the New Testament, the use of the majestic plural fits right in.

Ohyoudidnt:
Is this your reply?

Is there anything that depreciates this Qur'an verse (modified)
Qur'an 17:8
It may be that WE your Lord will have mercy on you, but if ye repeat (the crime) We shall repeat (the punishment), and We have appointed hell a dungeon for the disbelievers.

Is this not perfectly clear in message?
Allah has used "WE" and "YOUR" is there no difference both in English and in Arabic?




Joining your thread following another's earlier response, I made contributions to answers outside your subject which you definitely encourage and decide to dwell on because you are unable to stay focussed and get distracted?

Is the following too not your reply?

MightySparrow:
Well said my brother. . let me first be reading responses.

MightySparrow:
Well said my brother. . let me first be reading responses.

Keep reading MightySparrow or is it LookingSparrow. On a thread alrady 4 pages long you're still reading comments?

What are you reading for?

NairaLTQ:
1. I started with Monistic postulate is a bad science because it's not even a science.

2. Monism is the philosophical view that there is only one fundamental substance, reality, or principle. It stands in contrast to dualism, which posits the existence of two fundamental substances or principles.

3. I then gave you scientific constituent of matter from the fundamental particles of protons, neutrons and electrons and admission of a few other sub atomic particles.

3. A postulate is a statement or proposition that is accepted without proof as a basis for reasoning or further investigation. They are axioms to establish the groundwork for logical reasoning.

5. I know about nuclear fission and fussion and I still wonder how it has anything to do with water being from which living things are created.

I asked you a question

Is it true and proper to say that:
All concrete houses are made from water?

You then mean
(It is a bad science sir.

Everything is made from the basic atoms which consist of protons, electrons, neutrons and other subatomic particles.

This include Hydrogen and Oxygen from whose reaction water is made. Hydrogen as the smallest element is made up of a single Proton, a neutral and an electron!) Is equivalent to:

[1. I started with Monistic postulate is a bad science because it's not even a science.

2. Monism is the philosophical view that there is only one fundamental substance, reality, or principle. It stands in contrast to dualism, which posits the existence of two fundamental substances or principles.

3. I then gave you scientific constituent of matter from the fundamental particles of protons, neutrons and electrons and admission of a few other sub atomic particles.

3. A postulate is a statement or proposition that is accepted without proof as a basis for reasoning or further investigation. They are axioms to establish the groundwork for logical reasoning.]

Is this correct?

A concrete house can be said to be made of water but not solely water.

NairaLTQ:
It is a bad science sir.

Everything is made from the basic atoms which consist of protons, electrons, neutrons and other subatomic particles.

This include Hydrogen and Oxygen from whose reaction water is made. Hydrogen as the smallest element is made up of a single Proton, a neutral and an electron!



Is it true to say that:
All concrete houses are made from water?

Not a bit surprised. At the beginning I ask you; Have you ever heard about the Monistic postulate? What is a postulate?

Do you know of nuclear fusion and fission?

NairaLTQ:
Is Lithium created with water?
Is Iron created with water?
Is Uranium created with water?

Is the electron created with water?
Are protons created with water?
Are electromagnetic waves created with water?

None of these contain Hydrogen nor Oxygen.

See how Allah goofed big time again. It is impossible that Allah is the Creator if he makes silly blunders like this!


Did Allah create Angels with water or light?
Did Allah create Jinn with water ?
Did Allah create Adam with water or Mud/Clay?

Have you ever heard about the Monistic Postulate?

The monistic view posits that all elements, both known and unknown, are derived from a single primordial element. This is in line with the concept of embracing the Unity of Elements.

Kobojunkie:
1.

3. Jesus Christ never said He would return during their lifetime. Rather, what He said was that they would see the coming of the Son of man as promised through the prophets as a sign of the Last days of God's judgment against Israel according to the Old Law.

Then what is meant here in difference to what you correct?

Mark 13:
26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

We can only make progress when our actions are based on the truth which is independent of sentiment and emotion.

Greenholics:
Who is going to pay African for the trans Sahara slave trade ?

Btw the slave trade is still going on till date and it started before the Tran Atlantic slave trade.

Who is going to pay Africans ? Should I go on it should I mind my business?

Who is going to pay other African countries like Egypt and Somalis that got forced fully white washed by the Arabs ? Who is going to pay them for the genocide of their ancestors?


Who is going to compensate the Jews for the evil Muslims did to them when they “conquered “ Jerusalem by the Rashidun Caliphate under the leadership of ʿUmar ibn al-Khattāb ?

Or the atrocities and genocide done by prophet Muhammed ? Who is going to pay for that?


Should I go on or should I shut up?


When it comes to Palestine, Muslims should keep shut! They have no moral grounds to stand on! Cos they took that land with the same violence the are crying about today.

And if they are powerful enough they will not think twice before exerting sake violence on every part of the world.

The question really is how morally responsible is humanity?

The historical injustices suffered by Africa demand a case for reparations. Moral, economic, and social justifications, rooted in the recognition of the profound wrongs committed against the continent, provide compelling grounds for reparations. Beyond mere financial compensation, reparations represent an opportunity to rectify historical inequalities, restore dignity, and empower African communities. By addressing these historical injustices, the global community can contribute to building a more equitable and prosperous future for the continent.

Rashidun Caliphate's capture and administration of Jerusalem encompassed varied extremities. On one hand, their military prowess and administrative skills showcased their determination and commitment to spreading Islam. The establishment of a just system of governance demonstrated their tolerance and inclusivity.

Note that the Caliphate ensured the protection of religious sites, allowing Christians and Jews to continue practicing their faiths. This policy was an exemplification of the Rashidun Caliphate's commitment to ensuring fair treatment and inclusivity, setting an example for future Islamic rulers.
"Umar set aside the Christian ban on the Jews and allowed them to pray and reside in Jerusalem. Umar signed a pact with the Christians of Jerusalem, which granted them safety in the region."

The allegations of genocide against Prophet Muhammad require cautious evaluation. Genocide entails the systematic extermination of a particular group, motivated by religious, ethnic, or racial hatred. While instances of violence did occur during his time, they were primarily in the context of self-defense, protection of the community, or as a response to betrayal.

"Although Arab armies quickly established an Islamic empire during the seventh and eighth centuries, it took far longer for an Islamic society to emerge within its frontiers. Indeed, despite widespread images of “conversion by the sword” in popular culture, the process of Islamisation in the early period was slow, complex, and often non-violent. Forced conversion was fairly uncommon, and religious change was driven far more by factors such as intermarriage, economic self-interest, and political allegiance"

Sprints3:
source britannica am out... No more argument u can't get no matter how hard I explain

No one is all knowing. Share what you know differently.

Sprints3:
dey talk rubbish how are palentines originated from Philistines... Philitines are giants, palentine no even near them... The present day palentines are the natives of Egypt and north Africa... They own those lands. Israel are land grabbers... Moreover Israel was formed in 1946... Israel that hates big population

I implore you to read more.


Though the Israelite tribes entered Palestine before the end of the Late Bronze Age, they did not become firmly established in their new home until the early decades of the 12th century BCE. Their number was increased greatly during the settling of Canaan by seminomadic Hebrew tribes already in Palestine, as well as by many settled Canaanites (e.g., the Gibeonites), who joined the invaders against their sedentary neighbours


https://www.britannica.com/place/Palestine/The-Iron-Age



https://www.britannica.com/place/Palestine

We should use our intellect beyond sentiments.

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This brings to question which Israel Netanyahu is fighting for. The original land mass or present/modern day demacation. In either case is it worth the blood shed, lifes lost or waste of resources used in promulgating this war?

The settlement of Israelites’ in this region and going further to the establishment of the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah in ancient Palestine does not alienate the Palestinians from that location.

In the Bible, the land of Canaan is promised to the Israelites by God. However, this promise does not exclude the possibility of other people living in the land. The Israelites’ establishment of their kingdoms does not mean that the native Canaanite populations were completely displaced or denied their rights to the land.

The term “Palestine” has its origins in the ancient Greek name for the region, “Palaestina,” which was derived from the Philistines, a group of people who inhabited the coastal area of the region.

The Palestinian region was home to various groups, including the Israelites, Philistines, Canaanites, and other smaller tribes. The Israelites were a group of people who migrated from Egypt to the Promised Land, which they believed was promised to them by God. The Philistines, on the other hand, were a non-Semitic people who inhabited the southern coastal area of Palestine.

Righteousness2:
DIVIDING GOD'S LAND IS A RED LINE

Any wise leader or nation will not try such.

Netanyahu knows the Bible and he is exempting himself from the Judgement of GOD.
If Netanyahu decides to divide ISRAEL, GOD ALMIGHTY will deal with him.

ISRAEL is bigger than Biden, Netanyahu or any being or spirit on Earth..
ISRAEL is God's Land. You don't Divide God's Land under any guise or grammar.
That is an Invitation to Calamity and Disasters Unlimited!

One of the Key reason the USA is on its way down is because of the destructive leadership who are trying to Go against God's order.

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@FxMasterz


“Abomination of Desolation” is a phrase specifically used in the context of the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem, which was destroyed by the Romans in 70 AD and later replaced by the Church of the Holy Sepulchre.

The Jewish Temple was built by King Solomon in the 10th century BCE and was destroyed twice, once by the Babylonians in 586 BCE and later by the Romans in 70 CE. The Al-Aqsa Mosque, on the other hand, was built centuries later in the 7th century CE, following the Islamic conquest of Palestine.

Many scholars believe that the references in the book of Daniel (Dan. 9:27; 11:31; 12:11) refer to the time of Antiochus IV Ephiphanes who made an unclean sacrifice in the Jewish temple (among other terrible things) in the 2nd century BC.

In the New Testament (Matt. 24:15; Mk. 13:14) this would be a past event, so would be applied to something else. If you look at the parallel passage in Luke you'll that relating:

Matthew 24:15
When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

And

Mark 13:14 “When you see ‘the abomination that causes desolation’[a]standing where it[b] does not belong—let the reader understand—then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.

Relate these to Luke 21:20
When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its desolation is near.

As well as:
Mk. 13:30
Assuredly I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away until all these things take place

Historically you can see that if you take "generation" to mean the people living at that time, then the application here would refer to the time when Jerusalem was surrounded by armies sometime in the first century. And in fact, we find that the Roman armies did so and destroyed the entire city and temple (70 AD). The Romans were an abomination that made the city desolate.


https://youtube.com/shorts/0r2bJnGKEBs?si=8sk_Pce5yF28PT-C

(Is the Al Aqsa Mosque the abomination of desolation?)

Looking at Daniel 9:27
The Desolator in Daniel 9:27 is a reference to the Roman general Titus, who led the Roman army during the Siege of Jerusalem in 70 AD. The destruction brought about by the Roman army during this event led to the devastation of the Jewish temple and the end of the sacrificial system.

Following the end of World War I, the British government issued the Balfour Declaration in 1917, promising to establish a “national home for the Jewish people” in Palestine. This promise eventually led to the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948.

The establishment of Israel was met with fierce opposition from the Palestinian Arabs, who felt betrayed by the British government and were left without a homeland of their own. As a result, the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, also known as the War of Independence or the Nakba (meaning “catastrophe” in Arabic), led to the displacement of hundreds of thousands of Palestinian Arabs and the occupation of 78% of historic Palestine by Israel. This conflict over territory has continued to this day, with both sides unwilling to compromise on their respective claims to the land.


The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is also driven by political aspirations, as both sides seek to achieve their respective national goals. Israel, as a Jewish-majority state, seeks to maintain its security and sovereignty, as well as to ensure the survival of its Jewish citizens. The Palestinian people, on the other hand, have been seeking self-determination and the establishment of an independent Palestinian state alongside Israel since the 1960s.