There's nothing wrong with women as pastors or heading a church. The work of a church head is a very powerful position spiritually, if the husband of the woman was very spiritually inclined and had decided to work with his wife to the depths, then she has no problem.

.... Women are suppose to be submissive to their husband and meet every of his human needs. Since the man is the head, what ever need she refuse to meet can be counted as disobedience, and this is not good for her ministry.

God would rather use single women or widows more than he would use a married lady, so as to avoid a conflict of interest. You know It won't be nice when when the husband says I want to eat pounded yam this evening and the woman says God asked me to go out now and speak with someone......no no no no...

Probably why Things are the way they are. I hope I've helped.

A woman can not be submisive to two heads. Its either she serves her husband or she serves God.

It all has to do with the husbands of the female pastors. That's where it all lies.

better if ididn't watch it.

the chicken at their best.

good one from BON. enough is enough. DSTV has a large market in Nigeria, why didn't their right cover for the whole country.they have collected the market from local tv stations.

after this tournament i think BON and DSTV should have a round table talk.

HiTV warming up.

Boomark: That prediction on super eagles is a mistake. They are going to start with a win.

Prophet Boomark.

I don laugh tire....

enilove: Yarweh is not the God that tolerates sins.His is not a God that says if your righteousness is more than your evil deeds you will make heaven.
He is not the God that will tolerate a sexual pervert by allowing a 56yrs old to be sexually abusing an innocent child of 9 yrs after 10 wives and gives law that you can marry the divorced wife of your adopted son.And gives the husband the right to beat his wife.His not the God that tolerate idolatery either.

God hates sin but loves us .But any one who refuses to drop his sins is attracting the wrath of God.
In verse 10 of that chapter God told us why he wanted to bring evil upon the people He said "for they no not to do right,they store violence and robbery in their palaces"
Likewise in Nigeria now the rulers are doing theirs ,the people are doing theirs too,the police the politicians the carpenters ,the conductors,the bricklayers,the pepper sellers etc they all want to cheat and make you cry for them to be rich.No more fear of God but scarcity of truth.
When the wrath of God comes you will say "this God is wicked".
Even when God called Abraham ,in Geneses 17:1 He said unto Abraham"I am the Almighty God walk b4 me and be thou perfect.
In ex 34:7 God told Moses"I keep mercy for thousands,forgiving iniquity & transgression and sin & that will by no means clear the guilty;visiting the iniguity of the father upon the childrens children with the 3rd to d 4th generation..
Why did God say this,after bringing the Israelites out of Egypt and divided the red sea in their presence ,the Israelites still went ahead and created an image of calf as their god.God forgave them that tresspass and was warning them before hand again that when the get to the promised land they should destroy all the idol of that land and obey His commandment.
God is a holy God He lives in holy heaven with the holy angels.He will warns b4 He purnishes any disobedience.
In matt 5:48 Jesus Christ said "be thou holy as my father in heaven is holy".The bible says "shall we continue in sin and expect the grace of God to abound?It says"God forbid".
You only read what will suit you and left the other part which says in chapter 5:14 that the Israelites should "seek good ,and depart from evil that they may live;so that the Lord ,the God of hosts shall be with you".Is like you do not expect God to purnish sinners.
It is written in 2 Timothy 3:1-4"that in the last days perilous times shall come......people shall be lovers of pleasure more than lovers of God.
chapter 4: 3"also says "for the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine;but after their own lust shall they heap to themselves teachers ,having itching ears and shall turn away their ears from the truth.

And some if you who sees this forum as an avenue to open your mouth and say abominable things against God,please desist from it b4 it is too late.The devil is using you to destroy other people.The God that could divide the red sea is God the creator of that red sea and the creator of the universe.We only need to obey Him

The anti christ is already at work as you can see.Do not make yourself a scape goat .Etetnal destruction is waiting for any disobedience.
Repentance is what God needs.
God did not creat the devil. The devil made himself to become the devil by his evil imaginations.The devil was an angel before he was casted down to the earth.

Pray and beware before the devil takes you to hell with him.He knows his end is coming and will do everything b4 then to decieve many so that they can be their with him.
Even those that think they are fighting for God by shedding innocent peoples blood.They are all working for the devil ignorantly.

Tanx and Godbless.

chess guru: I blame the red card for turning d tide of the game in favor of the babes. It didn't warrant a yellow. It was a foul yes, but not a yellow card offense. Even the commentator said so himself.
www.fatsolution.net

The yellow card was deserving. Our boy dragged him down and still climbed him over. What d hell was dat about. He could just pass his side after all, the player was already down. I would also have issued a hello card.

truthislight:

well done Zikky.

This does it:


Galatians 6:7-9 (NIV)
7 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows.

8 Whoever sows to please their flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction;

whoever sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.

9 Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up.
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The above is enough word for the wise.

@bolded,
Dear Bible,
Some guys here said I should not get weary in welldoing because am not doing it for the result.

Good job lawyer, may God bless you for this information.

Goshen360:

I'm Goshen360 and I ENDORSE this message! +1,000,000,000 likes

Soo how are we suppose to check for greek/hebrew meaning of these passages when we don't understand these languages.

May God help us.

@candour,
I have done what I can do, you guys jst continue interpreting tins the way it deems fit.

I can't help u any further.

Zikkyy:

You continue to show your true colors. To think you consider one of the greatest commandment to be rubbish is just something else.

How did I show my true colours? And what did I consider rubbish.

Loving the lord ur God is second to his first loving you.

Zikkyy:

So tell us the reward for giving motivated by greed, the reward for those that will give only when there is profit to be made from such giving.

Oga no be so naw. "Giving motivated by greed"

lol !!!. You are missing it.

Zikkyy:

Was your decision to serve God driven by the desire to be prosperous? If that is the case, you better be concerned bout your true status with God. cos acceptance is not yours to decide. It is at God' prerogative. And I know he will not accept pretenders.

My reason for serving God is because he first loved me. And he showed it by sending his son to die for my sin. i can't repay his love and kindness, bt he keeps helping me. I know i am forever indepted, but he never notices it. Its a debt i can not pay not till eternity.

You get to know your status with God. I am his son and he, my Father

Pastor Kun: @joagbaje
You ought to be ashamed of yourself. And you are supposed to be a 'senior' pastor. Anyway I don't blame you sha when even your oga Oyaks does not have basic bible interpretation skills. It's so sad that half baked charlatans like you are being allowed to mount the pulpit and spew out rubbish to people. One would thought that after your being on NL for a few years you would have learnt to interprete the bible properly and stop disgracing yourself.

@pastor kun,
Its ovious you lack basic Bible understanding. You most be an etheist hiding under the name of a pastor. They believe they evolved from apes reason why they don't understand why they at on earth.

You claim to be a pastor following God sheepishly, have you ever stop to ask God your reward for following him. Even if you won't ask, he will tell you. He will reward all is followers and that is the basis. REWARD, REWARD, REWARD...

If u don't believe in heaven or hell, then you need not follow God... Don't bring dat I love him rubbish, it doesn't exist.

@lagerwhenindoubt,
You claim pastors only take half a verse of a scipture leaving the rest because of their selfish purposes ok let's look at this.

matt 6:33
But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Lets take away the upper part.
...... and all these things shall be added unto you.

I hope we are in understanding, this case are not a prefix and sufix verses like you want to think. Rather, they butress each other.

Weither he takes it from the top or from the bottom, it will end up saying the same Thing.a d passing the same message.
I hope u get me here. Another one.
2 chro 7:14
If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

Jst humbling themselves,praying and seeking his face will automatically bring the result that follows. Even if that part was not added to the main scripture. That is the nature of God and that's how it works.
I hope I've helped u abit.
Pardon my blunders. I'll get more stripture to buttress my point.

NAWA OOHHH !!!

All these atheist and their lack of understanding. Reason why they are atheist in the first place.

oya make we carry on,

let x=y.
If x is giving. And y is sowing. Then giving =sowing.

When a farmer sows in the farm, does he walk away without expecting to reap what he has sowed. Or you think God is a debtor? That he would not repay you for every act of kindness/giving that you do. Not minding if you do it because he asked you to do it or because you are just kind.... Ooboy give yourself brain.
Maybe you don't need the money that's why you're a free giver. GOD IS NOT A DEBTOR.
....If you don't get ur reward here on earth, you would get it in the world after if you make it.

Have u ever asked why we serve God and not Live our lifes the way we want it?....Because theirs a reward, so let it stick into your head God will REWARD every good deed.

.
Heb 6:10
King James Bible
For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love, which ye have shewed toward his name, in that ye have ministered to the saints, and do minister.

... tell me which of the passages you quoted there that doesn't have a reward attached.... You just want to lead people astray. With ur atheism, all of you.

Now this is the conclusion of the matter..

GOD IS THE AUTHOR OF FREELY GIVING....HE HAS A REWARD FOR IT.

GOD IS THE AUTHOR OF CONDITIONAL GIVING.... HE HAS A REWARD FOR IT.

NAME ANY TYPE OF GIVING AND I WILL SHOW YOU HE HAS A REWARD FOR IT ALSO.... SO HOW THEN DO YOU GIVE UNCONDITIONALLY WHEN THERE'S ALREADY A REWARD ATTACHED. NOT MINDING IF YOU ARE INTERESTED OR NOT.

I'll. Be back to answer others.

ezme: Matthew 6.33: But seek ye first the kingdom of God and his righteousness;and all these things shall be added unto you

The preceding verses to this were emphasizing on God's ability to cater for us.

@Joagbaje/oiseworld
These are the words of Christ himself according to Matthew, stating in what order we should approach Christianity. I don't know if your prosperity teachers know better than Christ himself.

Oga like I have spoken before, it is clearly the will of God that we are in good health and prosper, even as our soul prospereth. 3 john 1:2

pls we need to separate business seminars from prosperity messages. In the process of learning prosperity the Bible way, it is made clear to you that u have to be born again,God fearing and strive towards righteousness.

...How else could it be said. that's the only way the Biblical prosperity works....and if am not wrong that is putting God first.... I repeat that "either Mohammed goes to the mountain or the mountain comes to Mohammed" there has to be a meeting point. that's the most important to God.

Joagbaje:

God bless you jare. Gods prosperity is with righteousness but religious people give impression as though God righteousness is against prosperity.

Proverbs 8:18
Riches and honour are with me;yea, durable riches and righteousness.

Amen, God bless u too.

The reply I gave above has taken care of zikkyy's post.

Stop being naive.

funny how we can all see the end from the begining.

truthislight:

"For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth." (1 Timothy 2:3-4).
..................

How can it saved people if it is not the truth?


peoples lives are at stake guy.

This is exactly where am heading to. If you prosper by hearing and practicing what you hear in prosperity messages, then you have heard the truth. The truth is a complete package that includes both prosperity and righteousness,love,giving,kindness,fear of the Lord, etc. They cannot and should not be separated from the other. THEY ARE ALL ONE.
That's why coming in thru prosperity,good health, heaven, blessings are still the most effective ways of preaching the gospel.

Don't be more catholic than the pope. If people perish everyday you can't be more concern than the one who came to die for these people.

truthislight:

Does the bible teach us not to help other people? No.

Does God loves a cheerful Giver? Yes.

Is that ^^^ the purpose of christianity? No.

See what the purpose of christianity is:


"For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth." (1 Timothy 2:3-4).
...............

Dont leave substance and be chasing the shadows.

You are all the same. Jst like the woman in the story above.

if i may ask, How do the these men of God preach prosperity? Because I know you can't serve God half way.

The most important thing is that the gospel is been preached, either thru prosperity preaching or through hell fire messages.etc you can't separate the gospel of Christ.it is too large and it is one. Just like the Father,Son and HolyGhost.(trinity)

@truthslight,
Pls stay out if it tires u.

Woe !!! Unto any man of God that manipulates the scripture for their own gain only. May God not allow them.
Have u indirectly said most men of God don't preach about caring for your neighbors and the poor In general. Then u are wrong. The major MOGs in Nigeria do very well.

You need to clarify better.

frosbel:

will discuss this later on

Lol!!
Any time bro, am back for now.mind u, I know where ure heading to.

Scroll up and answer the question I asked u.

Lagerwhenindoubt,
The passage I gave was to buttress the fact that it is in giving with a willing heart that you also receive even into abundance of wealth. The prosperity pastors are not WRONG!neither are they misleading, that is my point. in a third world country like Nigeria and Africa at large, nobody want to hear about hell anymore. That message is cruel wickedness to an hungry man who believes in God. I think a better gospel of God's love and delight in your prosperity would be a better message.as long as You end up doing it God's way and serving him better.

and Moreover, all the scriptures u quoted above did not counter mine of prov 11:24. Rather you went on to butress my point further.

lagerwhenindoubt:

1: What Does the Gospel of Jesus Christ Preach (Remember Jesus cannot be working against his Father's will)
2: Should one focus on Prosperity to the detriment of Salvation (be mindful that you can lose either)
3: There are no Bible Secrets to Wealth and Prosperity. it is really that simple.. there are passages in the Bible that promise Blessings on certain conditions (which are clearly spelt out) Men of God have added their own conditions to acquiring Wealth other than what God prescribes.. so there you have it.

Now am getting a better picture to all this anti prosperity people, you just are inexperienced, and ha e not taken time to practice these teachings.
you say their are no secrets, what whole you say about this scripture.

Proverbs 11:24 One man gives freely, yet gains even more; another withholds unduly, but comes to poverty.

How would you explain that it is in giving that you get wealth. Isn't that a secret revealed? Get to
understand the Bible before you start criticizing.


To your second ?.
you should not be one side in preaching the gospel, ok. But failure in one is failure in all. If the bible instructs us to give to get wealth then failure to do soo is a sin.

I also really don't know why all frosbels topics is about criticism for the gospel. Because I know it is not God's will for his people to be poor. So I see nothing wrong with men of God revealing Biblical secrets to wealth and prosperity. It has worked for many and will work for many more.

I'll also like to ask frosbel if he could name at least 3 present day men of God that he believes in. (Doing the job Gods way). they all can't be fake naw.

tot we had gone thru this before !!!

vanstanzy: “Most of them are aspiring to be president and they cannot stop Jonathan if he decides to contest. How many governors stood for election and failed? They can challenge, yes, but cannot defeat him. Everybody has the right to contest. They can challenge President Goodluck Jonathan, but defeating him? I would say no. None of the governors has the potency to defeat President Jonathan, both within and outside the party, if he decides to contest.”

Am i the only one, or am i truly seeing something behind this statement? GEJs' team seem to be holding a "Joker" the Northerners won't like and i'll relish it, if its so.

the quote you made is the truth, and nothing but the truth.no aboki can stop GEJ, they have tried before, they failed woefully. they will try again and still fail.
FRESH AIRRRR.

i be tink say i go marry dis woman before, but as she don marry naaa!! come born put seff, i wish her all d best.
happy family...

And what does any one need the 40 laptop crew for.....

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