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i had a busy day, sorry for replying late.

Goshen360: If they don't mean phsyical enemies, so can the devil (spirit) die then or will demons die?

the ways of God are a mistery to men. That is why he is God.
in 2 kings 13, 14-19, you would not understand what Elisha was doing, infact the king did not understand, so he shot the arrow 3times. and it was said that Elisha was wrath with him. only to get the interpretation of his action.


moreover, in Isa 9;5 For every battle of the warrior is with confused noise, and garments rolled in blood; but this shall be with burning and fuel of fire. that is the way of battle. we don't want to know if they die or not, but they always flee when they see serious aggresion.remember the kingdom of God suffereth violence but the violent taketh it by force. demons understand violence and they obey and flee.

even in the physical, if you have noticed wicked people fear hard people. when an herbalist or a witch threatens you, go in and bring a cutlass or a gun, they revoke their threat. thats the way it works.

Goshen360: spirit do NOT "fall and die", they are "cast out" and it will therefore mean the possessed person will have to be involved. Show me anywhere in scriptures where spirits (evil) are prayed to die rather than being cast out from their victims?

but it would be wrong to think this people have pictures of their neibours,household or enermies in mind while saying those prayers. soo that justifies it.they don't mean physical enermies.

maclatunji, pls would i get banned if i comment?

so i should know, pls.

Goshen360: As Jesus went on from there, [size=20pt]two blind men followed him[/size], calling out, "Have mercy on us, Son of David!" Matthew 9:27

How in the world can the blind follow someone they can't see? The Holy Spirit in the wisdom of God paints a picture of a BLIND generation following Jesus blindly. I was young and now am old, I have NEVER NEVER read in the NT Church where it was said that Christians should pray "fall and die" prayers to their physical or human enemies. It is an exercise in futility and highest order of delusion.

nobody prays for the death of his or her human enermies, something makes every human behave the way they do;thats the spirit the war like prayers are ment for.
eph 6;12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

yes !! His is where we perform the best.

useless phcn staffs, since they went on strike power became stable. Now they are back and it has started fluntuating.

May God give them fast judgements.

wait ooh, has ghosen360 backslided.? Or what am i seeing?

seun should look into banning especially inthe islamic section. We are in a civilized world where common sense rules.

I must confess Maclantunji or what ever he's called is becoming too strict, exactly like islam it self. I remember commenting on an islamic discuss that was brought to the front page only for my post to be hidden. I felt like 'What'! What just happened ? If you don't want people commenting why bring it to the front page? And even if not on the front page, must nairaland islam be as strict as the saudi arabian laws, why are we then on the internet.

I pray God delivers that reli....n.

just saw this on AIT. Not confirmed.

Ninilowo: I ve said it over and over that this mallam had just two issues immediately he came 1. To deal with Erastus n Ibru 2. To prepare for 2015.

1 and 2. are correct.
3. Islamic banking.

Sls is not fit for that position, i've said it time and time again. The whole of his term is a waste, a boko sympathiser.
All his policies are useless and keep creating unemployment not just in the banking sector but other sectors.

just imagine what sanusi is saying, prove to show that it would cause inflation. Oh God!!

SANUSI REMAINS THE WORST AND MOST UNQUALIFIED CBD GOVERNOR NIGERIA EVER HAD. I stand to be corrected.

if this is true, then its a wrong move from the govt. If a dailogue could be possible, then a national conference would be much easier/preferable.

gst101: @oiseword. There is no religion as old as the ATR. Do your research. The only reason why the abrahamic rel have flourished is that they demonize others and take advantage of their gullibility and ignorance. No wonder in parts of the world were people are less gullible and enlightened, the abrahamic rel are endangered.

Now that africans are beginning to know more, i see a vibrant future for the ATR

what future do you see? They have no future, unless they would rain with the antichrist. They ard dead.

You say the Abrahamic faith take advantagr of others shee? I always asked this thing, why were we colonized by the whites,afterall civilization started in africa. So how come we didn't end up colonizing the world and used the whites for slave trade? Why was it this way around?

Answer: their gods failed them.plain and simple. the gods died or went to sleep.
The same thing that killed the gods then, would still kill them now. Nomatter how you try to ressurect them. They will still put their followers to shame as usual.

Jesus is the answer.
I am the way the truth and the life. No one cometh unto thd father but by me.jhon 14;6

mkmyers45: Look Mr man-made gods including christian folklores are as powerful as the amount of followers they have...People believe in Ifa-Orisha and it is fully working for them...Although some gods are generally presumed dormant/dead because of lack of followership it is impossible to label them dead.

Look i know traditionalists who are proud,happy,live life well and don't care about anything because they believe in what they serve and it works for them....All religions undergo some sort of evolution and i tell you that even the abrahamic faiths will be left behind if they fail to evolve...

like i said before, don't disturb the dead. Let the dead sleep well. They had large followers before, so where are the followers now? They left after discouvering the gods were dead. Shikena!!

The Abrahamic faith had lasted generations and centuries, so i don't see it dieing in our time or any day. The needed evolution is the Abrahamic faith itself, any other would be the antichrist. And thats has also been predicted by the bible, and even things to come after that.

Soo, the Bible lives for ever. Why not make a wise choice now.

funny question,
since when does someone going missing mean the same as rapture.

na papa be dat?
interesting....

i don't blame maclatunji, he is a true follower of the "na by force religion"

mkmyers45: *Sigh*

It is indeed very sad how ATR have been reduced to almost nothing as we africans under pressure of the gun abandoned 'Eledumare,Chukwu and Ubangiji' for the 'god' of foreigners...

ATR is just as mystical as all other religions and i think ATR may never be like before when it held much sway but indeed many are beginning to see truth's for themselves as the days pass by that truly Traditional Religions are not in any way bad devils with horns...Also we also have to factor in hypocrisy as many who call 'Lord Lord' also keep african protection by the side..There is an evolution of african religions especially ifa orisha but the glory days are far gone

what is the essence of serving a dead god? Why should anyone be proud of the dead. I want to believe this gods once existed, but they are nomore. They must have fallen to something superior, so why disturb their sleep.

Traditional worshippers should never be proud of anything. They should rather hide in shame. How can they (gods) have a large followership at one time only to lose them to something they can't explain. Their time is over,
moreover, i don't see the greeks still calling on zeus,zed etc.

Why? They are dead !!

saintvc: SOW A SEED
WHAT U SOW, U REAP
GOD BLESES A CHEERFUL GIVER
GIVE TO THE LORD
U WIL RECIVE DOUBLE


These are some of d words we hear from pastors when urgin the members to give unto d lord.

To me, these words reduces religion to buisnes. Church is like an investment.

E.g The church member has 500,000.he wants to invest.d bank gives 2% interest.in a year, d bank would gve 600,000..on getin to church, pastor says WITH FAITH, SOW A SEED OF 500,000 AND U RECIVE 1 MILION IN 6 MONTHS.

What hapens in 2 years when he doesnt rcve d money,? He goes to d pastor and is told he lacks faith.he cant go to court,he wil surely loose.HIS MONEY IS GONE.

When we give , we should gve wilingly, whole heartdly witout xpectin anytin in return.

God isnt a buisnes man who trades wit our money and gves us profit.
Pastors stop dis

but it works for the giver, why should they stop.

after much consultation,as we must agree this topic is a sensitive one i came up with this findings.

God is God, he can do and undo, he never lies and what ever he says, that he would do. As we stand today, the only way to God is thru Jesus christ, and their exist no other way.
But if we must remember, while on the cross, Jesus died in the mist of two thieves, one accused him of not being able to save himself, the other rebuked him and asked christ to remember him in paradise. Jesus replyed today shalt thou be with me in paradise. Luke 23:39-43. If at such a last hour, one could be saved. Then anything is possible with God.

Somewhere in revelation we where told that in the last days there shall be great revival and withnesses and testimonies even in this present isreal. Many shall turn to the Lord and they ( the present isreal/jew) shall finally come to accepting christ as the messiah. This nd time revival would also continue allover the nations of the earth.

I was made to understand clearly that the jews are Gods people, his own chosen people.John 1:11: 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.John 1:12: 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name:

This i believe is Gods plan for the jews and the church.

The land of isreal is a blessed land, the people are blessed people. that they now have a owners corner in heaven automatically without christ is not true. But according to the bible we can't phantom the ways and misteries of God.Thats why he is God. If he has told us that their would be lots of surprises in heaven, then we should be prepared and work out our own salvation with as much fear and trembling. Phi 2:12.

double post.

please hold for a while.

please, lets take a careful look at the whole of Rom 11. It spoke specifically on this argument.
God help us.

true !! Aso rock is not vacant.

And even if, How do this northerners think ? They think the world does not know what they are doing, the world is watching.

it is completely illegal to collect extra money different from what the pumps read. We should start fighting for our rights, DPR or not. Such laes should not exist in the first place,petrol stations are not expected to sell harzadious fuel in the first place so where is the risk in fueling your keg. Is it any different from selling in you car?

I must confess i've also fallen to this. At one time i used to complain, and i always won, but i discovered that i was the only one doing it, and i became noticed among the attendants. So i stopped, and i started making it look like i was doing them a favour.

It annoing....

double post.

frosbel: In the new covenant, there is no favouritism, it is either in unbelief or belief.

Jews in their unbelief are not any more special than any other gentile in unbelief. God makes no rules for one and another for a different set.

It is one set of rules, except you be born again ( Jew or Gentile - remember Nicodemus ) you shall likewise perish.

More importantly the body of Christ is made up of believing Jews and believing Gentiles. The body of Christ is not made up of believing Jews, unbelieving Jews and believing Gentiles.

To accept this heretical dual covenant theology is to make a mockery of the sacrifice of Christ Jesus.

There is but one covenant , this is that which was promised through Abraham by faith and not by ethnicity. Circumcision came as a sign after faith not before faith so that no man can boast that by his works he was saved. We are saved by faith in the promise made to Abraham which is fulfilled in Christ Jesus.

Therefore a physical nation called Israel and which still rejects Christ is actually anti Christ as apostle John mentioned.

To go contrary to John's inspired statement is to add to the word of God based on the false interpretations of Men like Hal Lindsey and countless other false prophets.

frosbel i think you're right again. After going through SNCOQ3's link it became clearer. But i think he himself didn't get the message.

If God had been using the isrealite from the begining, it would be unfair if Jesus the saviour of the world didn't come from there.moreover, God already promised their father's (i think David) that the messiah would come through his generation. This relationship was what God tried to mend when he sent christ to the people of isreal, but christ actually came for all man kind.
Isrealite who do not accept christ are the tree that he cut off.
(Romans 11:20: 20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear
Romans 11:21: 21 For if God spared not the natural branches, [take heed] lest he also spare not thee.

The passage above shows that no human or nation,race or ethnic has an automatic place in heaven. Only those who accept Jesus as Lord and Saviour.

Yet, if we read the book of revelation we would understand that most of the endtme battles would take place in isreal(the present nation)/the middle east. Probably why a lot misinterprete this issue of isreal nation ( present day isreal) being a special nation to God.

Trully, the spirit of God is one.

i got in a discussion with a friend about this same issue of isreal just two days back. She spoke in accordance with ola's point, while i believe more in frosbel's point.

Even after this discuss, i still stand with frosbel side of view. I and as many that believe in christ Jesus are the isreal of today. God doesn't hold a covenant with an country in the middle east called isreal.

But, what do we have to say about the intelligence of the jews, is that a convenant or what, what about the christian body........

Lets also look at it from this direction.
Pls am a learner.

There was this little village always terrified by the devil himself. He appeared to them (villagers) daily frightenen them and never allowing them to serve another god but himself.
Many evangelist had been sent there but they all came back mad or died in action.

This time around the church body sent another brother, a very ugly brother.
On ariving at the village he was given a room to stay and as usual, the devil was aware of his arival.
Shortly had he arrived, he knelt down at his bed side to pray, and the devil appear at the door behind him, and walked slowly towards him allowing him, to finish his prayers.

On finishing his prayers the devil shouted with a loud voice " I LEARNT YOU'RE HERE because OF ME"
then, the brother gently stands up and turned to face the devil.
On seeing his ugly face the devil screams with great shock and fright, " THE BLOOD OF JESUS"

He immediately fled the village and never returned.

Every disppointment is a blessing.

we worship God by first acknowledging his sacrifice through his son (thats why we are called christians anyway). We follow his commandment and observe his will. We read the bible and study more about him, he commune with us and we with him through prayers. Our heart becomes one. He knows us and we hear his voice.

The rest like kneeling before him in prayers,praise and worship, observing the sabbath and weekly services,showing love and care etc naturally follows depending on how he leads.


Its not by kneeling before any god or washing part of your body that shows you are serving God. If we as humans bow to greet our earthly parents and traditional rulers, then why should we think bowing to God automatically means you' worshiping him.

You're reference to moses and co is right, but know they already feared God before they met him one on one. (No one can naturally stand before his creator and not bow or fall to his face) even saul who was persecuting the church bowed when he met christ on his way to Damascus.

obj said this;obj said that, obj did not say anything !!
Obj is already too large for the pdp. He is now more of a Nigerian than a politician, so stop putting words into his mouth.

The north has started playing her divide and conquer technics again. This time, it would not work, it will never work.

Wait till 2041 before they can start dragging about power, last i checked the east hasn't produced a president yet and Jonathan hasn't gone second term. So the north should forget presidency for now.