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@Buluti: It is Allah who deals with His creation as He wishes and at the appointed time.
Jesus bin Mariam, is not your, ethnically or spiritually. It is obvious that you may not come
from any branch of what is originally Children of Israel, who Jesus preached to, exclusively.

By spirituality, even as you claim that you are attached to him, it is not necessarily true.
You only borrow his name for your religion. It is in the same way the moon and the star borrow
light from the sun. Yet, neither the moon nor the star is a true provider of light. They don't make
it.

Jesus is not a founder of your religion and he not aware of it. So dream on. You have said that you
are a law to yourself. There is not surprise in your statement, because it is obvious that Christians
march to different drums.

Why fatwa on an known entity? My brother Buluti, there is paranoial in your tone. Pele Pele o.
Take it easy. Please don't burst any blood vessels or worst a major vein. Your country still needs
your positive contribution to make it a better society. After your bit and you get old and wither, and if
you are still a christian, and dies on it, there is lake of fire waiting to consume your body and soul.

@Dios: Since you are not even a Christian, i guess you lose, evn by Christian standard.

Dios: There is not reason to use Fing words. I don't need to read the Bible. That your Book. I
already left that to your care, Mr Texas Ranger!

Bo timi mole o, Ole panu mi de! Tell me whats new! InshaAllah, I will get all the reward of
doing good, directly, from my One God. My question is this, who is goping to reward you out of
your three goheads?

1) The father, if His intended reward is independent from what the other two intend? I am applying
this logic in the same way that you still have full God the Father, when the God the Son died, for
the inaccurately calculated 3 days.

2) What will the Holy spirit/ghost give you, since he was just the persive/bystander part of the 3
godheads? You are not sure of his reward? Take a guess. Omo 9ja!

3) We already know what you hope to get from God the son, who reluctantly, because he was boxed
in, take your place in spiritual death. My last question is this, what will Hitler and all the religion leaders
in Christianity of Germany/Austria, expect to get? ma bi nu o. Don vex, my brother. We are still 9ja men.

@Kokojunkie:

In my opinion, I would say NO, they are not the same God cause for one to make the leap to claim they are the same is to claim God is a schitzophrenic, insecure, emotional wreck who happens to enjoy playing one people against another for his sick pleasure.  I do believe from reading the various texts, it would take a GREAT LEAP, infact, one would have to abandon reason completely to claim that they are all the same God as no two texts say exactly the same things about God and even his people.

Response: I want you to keep your reasoning cap on, as you read this reason. Would you not claim that therefore that the Creator of all things, is impartial, and unjust, if He takes one people, exclusively as his own, against all others? Even has this so called God people continue to disobey God to the point that killed some of His messengers and attempted to Kill so many more, is there any rational reason to stick with this killing machines/tribe that God call His own, except and unless that there is Schitzophenia, desease in play, in this sticking with through thick or thin?

Is it not a sick pleasure, of a game by The One Who is capable to forgive, without anyone challenging His decision of doing so, resulted to sending an Innocent man to die for the burden of another? Is this a just God in your eyes? Unfortunately, the one that you claimed died for your sins, did not go to that death,  willingly and quitely! He begged as in the prayer at the garden of geshemine. He was dragged, making the journey journey seemingly long, because of the slow paces of his feet. He cried and asked why will God forsake him, as if he was a disbeliever in this Great God Who created!

@Pilgrim.!: You will love it, wouldn't yopu if I just capitulated to you, even as you
shamelessly lied, constantly, in your trying to force us to accept, your unable to
stand scrutiny book of religion, since there is no two alike. No wonder it constantly
changes forms, through its editions, revisions, denominational and generational
differences and more surprisingly, renegating a core verse(s) to mere footnotes,
and complete omission in some cases!

So if you have no business in the matter with me, why don't you run along to take
your place among the herd of people who think they will not have to cross the WARIDUHA
Aleyha of Verse 71 of Surah Mariam.

@olabowale,


Quote from: olabowale on Today at 06:16:28 AM
And as you serve Jesus, the christian God, all your behaviors are of an evil soul!

From Pilgrim.1: What really is your problem, olabowale? Are you really this bedevilled now that common reason has completely deserted you at your age? Between the 'Allah' of Islam and the God of the Bible, who truly is of an evil soul?

Response to Pilgrim.1: Unfortunately, the influence of the devil permiates your soul, except that you do nt see it. He has you in his grip and by so doing makes evil things look good to you. No wonder you can say without battling an eye, that God is three godheads! You are so narrow minded that you forgot closed heartedly so, that the white and other British citizens who are Muslims, call the Allah God also in English. The same reason, the Yorubas call Him Oluwa, Olodumare, etc. Abi, Oluwa,etc, are now the exclusive property of the Yoruba Christians?

I can be excused for my age, but you, whats your reason to act forgetful, to the point that you are claiming 'God,' in English as the name for Christian God, the three godheads alone? You aught to be ashamed of yourself in your method of deceiving people!


Quote from: olabowale on Today at 06:16:28 AM
How do you reconcile it with Jesus, as your God, when the stench from your heart
stink up the whole place. I can even smell it here in Manhattan! You must be smelling
really bad. They need to quarantine you, in isolation in a Hospital or some nuthouse.
Anywhere will be good for you, except Nairaland where you have been able to spread your
evil. You need to go.

From Pilgrim.1: It's not my style to dabble into matters that are not mine. However, I'm really concerned that at your age, you have completely lost all common grounds for godliness.

Response to Pilgrim.1: Pilgrim.1, now that you put your full of dung golden foot in your mouth, my response to you is very simple: It is the same as the individual(s) that I addressed. Why is it that you have not followed Jesus, even though you borrowed his name for your religion? What I see is that you follow the deceiver, who gained followership shamelessly for your religion, even as he turned the preaching/Gospel of Jesus on its head.

@Skyone: You continue to pray in vain. Your prayer does not rise even above
your head! For example, I will not pray for a soul that has expired in Ignorance
of TRUE FAITH. Even if that soul was dearly loved by me, even in death. My Lord
has instructed that such a prayer, should not be made by a believer. This is the
reason that we are talking to you about One God, instead of your 3 gods in One.

He's getting there, there will be a new dawn soon for Olabowale, thank you Jesus.
(Your one line above is a failure, in the sense that I have made many affirmations,
this morning in my morning prayer that, 'There is no God but the True One God Allah,
and Muhammad bin Abdallah, from the subtribe of Hashime, The Quraishi, The makkan,
The foreigner at first and native Madinan, in the end, is His Chief Prophet and Messenger.

Ose aro Sunday, if I quote Fels's Monday Morning in Lagos song. Run along, go pray to your
Tagut, the usual for you, on Sunday. Abi, you no dey go church? You be one of those
Christians who say it from their lips, but never truly from their heart? Go pray, ol boy.

The pastor need your 10% or the first fruit to buy a Ross Royce.

@Skyone: As the powdery snow is falling in Manhattan, this morning, I wonder
if I use 3 states of H20, snow/ice, water and vapor, to explain the Christian
Trinity state of God, which one will the son be?

The powdery snow? (It really has no subsatnce to it. It has volume at first, but
when compacted looses its volume.

The water/rain? (It can not exist for long with the ice, without one overcoming the
other depending on the temperature changes, however slightly it may be.

The vapor? (This form is the weakest of all. It may have the greatest volume of the three,
but has the least mass/density.

I do not know which one is the son? However if the 3 were to occur together, in an
ideal time, but if 1 were to be removed and isolated from the other 2, what you have
therefore, is that the remaining 2, will have less, volume and quantity, compare to when
the 3 occurred, simultaneously.

Is this what becomes of the two godheads that remained after the death of 1 godhead?

Allah is 'The God,' Ms. Pilgrim. You have no knowledge of the Arabic language less its
grammar. You only talk and your talk is very empty. Al is 'the,' in Arabic. illa is 'god,' in
Arabic. Illa stands for all types of gods; The three in One godheads, the pagan individual
360 gods, the god of the Onisangos of Yorubaland, or whatever the Igbo animists or other
tribes worship and takes as their intercessor.

However, Allah, is 'The GOD,' separating it from your always convoluted angle of seeing
reality. You who claimed that you have lost your Yoruba, to some decree, will come here to
make me believe that you are an expert in Arabic, you do not have the ability to write your
own name in? Lair, liar, pant's on fire you are.

And I gave many possible words for WARIDA ALEYHA, of Verse 71 of Surah Mariam. Pilgrim.1, don't
worry about it. Wait until you get to judgement day and with your 'MEATY,' body and the soul
fully attached will the the pathway over Hellfire. Which way but that you are the loser, into the
pit of Hell. Call it whatever yoiu like, the the fire lake, if it makes you happy for now, but definately,
it will consume the body and the soul that declared GOd to be 3, instead of the One that He is!

Choose your poison. Its your body and soul.

@Dios: True an older than you. But no old. At least not yet. I don't have orgasm, unless
I am in sexual relationship. Unlike you who wets your pant, uncontrollably. The bush of
Texas fits you to a t. Are you in one of the Gallerias or in the hood? I believe you are in
the hood. You forgot that before the slavery of the Africnas by White European/the yanks,
Egyptians enslaved your lord's tribe the Children of Israel. How about it?

I don't wanna be personal with you. Its late and I have better thing to do than to argue with
a man who took another man for a God, whereby he ignores his true Creator! You belong to
whatever you belong. If I am senile, then all my associates are having a fantastic and enjoyable
nightmares! To borrow from late Governor Ann Richards of Texas to Bush Sr, during the Dem.
convention of gone by era; You can help yourself, you have a silver foot stuck in your mouth.

I roll my eyes. I hiss with my lips! lol.

And as you serve Jesus, the christian God, all your behaviors are of an evil soul!
How do you reconcile it with Jesus, as your God, when the stench from your heart
stink up the whole place. I can even smell it here in Manhattan! You must be smelling
really bad. They need to quarantine you, in isolation in a Hospital or some nuthouse.
Anywhere will be good for you, except NL where you have been able to spread your
evil. You need to go.

@aslan333:

mr olabowale
while it was the jews who wanted to kill christ but it was the ROMANS that carried out the punishment, now since they had no intrest in the jewish controversies they would only do so when it concerned their government so i ask again what was the reason for the ROMANS execution of the christ wether they succeded or not?

(What does your Bible say, since it is part of your belief? I, as a Muslim, on the other hand, is not concern, with the mondane, and the irrelevant. Allah says that Jesus was not Crucified and he did not die. That is enough for me. We know from history though, that The children of Israel have made attempts on the lives of prophets, and in some cases have succeeded in killing some. A good example is John the son of Zachariah. This alone, speaks volume.)

Kokojunkie:Except that he had malicious intent and he is not a Muslim.
Further Muhammad (as), is dead. He could not Physically defend himself.
Even though God and His Angels and believers are cursing the Cartoonist,
he crossed the line.

Now, I am not sure if you area Nigerian and if you were old enough to understand
anything in '75, when Murtala Muhammad died. Just before his death, Fela Anikulapo,
was saying terrible things about him. That was not the strory, but after his death,
Obasanjo, enacted a law, retrospectively against libelling anyone who is dead. The
Nigerian Government did it in order to depend  the late Murtala, and by it, had a window
to bring the law down of Fela.

Just imagine the damage and ill feeling that the cartoonist caused? Is it a good thing to
yell fire in a crowded theater, yet freedom of speech allows you to say whatever, but not
in every case. The fire in the theater, is an example.

@Wordsmith: Oh, the beard is as you described it. I am very different the men
who are women imitators. Shaving religiously. Even are wearing earrings, in both
or one ear! My man am grounded. You are still skiddish. Watch out for the pit ahead
of you. It may be the fire of Hell, the way you are going!

@Kokojukie: The same way Buluti is free to express his opinion, without malice, is
exactly the same reason i have to express my one, and you yours. Why the complaint?

@Kokojunkie: As I recalled, the removal of Plank thing, is in the Bible. Jesus son of Mary was
addressing, Christians, not Muslims. At least, he was addressing the Children of Israel, but
definately not african and not Arabs.

Your slogan speaks volume: It truly applied to and probably still applies to the White Christian
minorities, who are imposing their wills on poor majority of the colonised societies. It also applies
the Jewish nation of Israel, in the mist of Arabs of the middle east.

The Muslims are fast learners, now that they copy your leadership, in this exact same process. I hope
that you do not exclude the Christian and Jewish nations from this your Slogan?

@Buluti: Even though, I may disagree with the Muslims, in many of there reactions to
the several provocations, I clearly disagree with your opinion of the matter. For one,
the writer of the Davinci Code is not in anyway a Muslim. If he is not a practicing
Christian, he would be however be identified as a Christian.

Have not seen any Muslim, who have caricatured or lampooned Paul or The Pope or The
Archbishop of Canterbury; your Christian authority symbols?

Further your suggestion that the Muslims should line up in front of the train, is really a
statement of ignorance? Is this the instruction left behind by Paul, the founder of Christianity?

Jesus will suggest a different way. The behavior of the NL Christians is very contrary to Jesus
way. It points out very clearly that you are all deviants or truly your religion is the exact projection
that you exhibit. Maybe all of you are truly children of your father Beliel, the devil.

@Zigbo: Are you are black woman? The same that KKK, Arian and White separatist groups wanted
and still eager to visit on the Blacks and Brown people, you are eager to throw the Muslims into it?


are those verses rily extracted from the koran  . . . what does this islamic view on banking thingy mean nywy? (It is beyond your knowledge)


i think muslims should rily all live together with themselves i.e get a land or sumin nd all move there and live their lives how they want  because it seems like they can't live in peace with others who arent like them  (Can we say about all of us who are Black people)

@Chimsky: May God keep you well. You are a very intelligent man. I respect your
opinion, even in the future Iwe may disagree.

The people in Sudan how behaved in the picture above, failed to let the Message of
the Friday sink into their hearts. They behaved as if their is no mistakes to be made
by Humans and it is as if there is no Mercy in their HEARTS.

BUT I AM 100% MUSLIM. Alhamdulillah.

@JeSoul: Which is greater, the law of the land or the law of God?
Just because you do not subscribe to a belief, does not give you
the liberty to abuse its personality.

Am not a christian, yet i will not abuse Paul. Yet Paul was not even a
prophet. Of course, there is no Muslim, who can abuse Jesus, son of
Mary. We only disagree with the way the Christians paint him. But he
belongs to Islam as well.

The non Muslims' abuse of our prophet, is like yelling Fire in a crowded Theater!
Some people will be patient, but unfortunately, alot will be agitted and
emotional, hence react terribly.

@Dios; When I mentioned slavery, you assumed the one imposed by one man against his weaker man.
However if you look at it, from that perspective alone, the blacks who are the result of slavery, helped
the African achieved independence, in their initial efforts and contributions. It is because of their presence
in the Americas that have made it easy for African black and brown people to be tolerated and even accepted,
eg in the USA. I do not know yor hue, but I know Black America has been very good for my being here.

They are the first to look at me, by an large the first to support me, because we share the same heritage
however remote. I went through the period of open discriminations of the 70 and the very early 80 in West Virginia
where would I have been in some terrible situations, except the support of my African American brothers in School!

Now tell me your bad experience and the lack of any good in the long run about Slavery. Afterall, the Blacks are
accepting Islam more than any indigenous group in America.

JUST BECAUSE THE AFRICAN WENT THROUGH SLAVERY,DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN THAT EVERYTHING THAT IS SLAVERY IS BAD" what kind of retarded logic is that. Tell me ONE THING about slavery that's good. (The Blacks of America helped in bringing about wind of Independence on African nations. Did you forget Randall Robinson of "TransAfrican,' organisation, almost single handedly brought a death on Apartheid of SOuth Africa? You asked for one and I already gave you two. Then it is theer presence that has made Islam a known comodity and their presence has made it easy for me, a Black African to easily find people who look like me and make friends among them as supporting platform.

So because i don't believe in the god of the arabs or the hebrews/caucasians you think I don't believe in a creator!!!!!
YOU ARE THE PERFECT EXAMPLE OF A MENTALLY ENSLAVED AFRICAN. (There is no God of the Arabs in Islam. Allah is not an Arab. Your response and assuption is wrong. I have no slavery mentality in me. None whatsoever)

@The Poster: God is an English word for 'The God,' which is Allah in Arabic.

We in North America also say Gd. Yet we mean Allah. The Christian Arbs say Allah, but
they do not mean Jesus son of Mary. Jesus son of Mary is Isa Ibn Mariam in Arabic.

Do we serve the same GOd? I do not know. But do we have the same Creator and truly One
God? The Answer is Yes> Truly there is no God but JUST ONE GOD!

All mankind, including Jesus are within His Creations.

If America is indivisible, yet it is small part in the creation of the Creator, then
most definately, the Creator MUST be COMPLETELY In visible; HE IS ONE Without
any other. Qul, Huwa lahu Ahad!

GLORY BELONGS TO YOU, OH MY CREATOR!

@The Poster: You should be mindful of all that you allow others to know.
If you respect the Qur'an, when you learn about any abuse of it, even by
people of ignorance, you should not talk about it.

How do you love a thing, then you sow a seed in the mind of its enemy at large
about its abuse. You may find therefore others doing the same or a little lee or even
worse.

Qur'an had been desecrated before, yet people love it even more! This is a thread
that should have a very short life! It should die this minute.

@Poster: Jesus was not the first that the Children of israel asked for his blood.
Fortunately, they were not successful. However, didn't you read it in your Bible
that john the baptist was beheaded? Was he not a prophet, even before Jesus?

It was not Romans who wanted Jesus blood, but the Children of Israel!

@Davidylan: First that I know that your hatred emanated from 911, i have zero interest
in discussing with you. Good night. That applies to you too, Nwando.

@Nwando and Davidylan: Finally the cat is let out of the bag! I live in Manhattan, and I have
a better understanding of 911 than both of you combined> You david are in the village of
Rochester, or still in Nigeria then. And you Nwando are in the remote part of Georgia or just
a recent arrival then.

I suffered throw it. I saw the building coming down, from Apartment in New York! Your hatred, of
Islam is unfounded. But who cares? Whether you like it or not, Islam will enter the hearts of
whosoever Allah puts it in! Nwando, a good indicator, is that Islam is already in Igboland. We do
not have to preach like the door to do, or the stadium type crusade, before Islam is victorious.

And you david, Islam is already in every part of the Yorubaland anyway. Your hatred, please
multiply it a thousand fold, so that it can guarantee you a place in the fire of hell. That goes for
you too, Nwando. And on 911, there were muslims who perished and also, there were muslims
who participated as first responders.

Sit on the sideline and cheer from a far. Yet you forgot your country of birth! Wow!

@Sweet T: My surprise is that you put the picture, of Muhammad Ali, a Muslim on your profile.
How Ironic, considering your deep hatred for Islam.

@Davidylan:
Your constant repeating of the same thing over and over again is a sign that you really don't know what you are talking about.(You failed in taking your own advise)

Quote from: olabowale on Today at 01:48:18 AM
@Davidylan: There is your answer below .
Okay, your Injiil is not totally lost. But is watered down.

Stop talking about our "corrupt" injil. Where is the one allah claimed to have sent down and confirmed? Dont you think you'd be better off finding that one first? (I will stop taliking about your 'curropt Injiil,' the moment you stop asking the Question. You believe in the Injiil, it is your responsibility to complain to your Church leaders that the Muslims say your read dilluted Bible. SEe what they will day. lol)

Quote from: olabowale on Today at 01:48:18 AM
Did Muhammad bear your healing by the stripes he recieved in the battle of Uhud? Did mohammed EVER HEAL anyone? (By Allah, the Key of Paradise is in his hand. And before then, he will intersede, for and on behalf of all Believers. There is an hadith on it. Ask Nwando to locate for you. lol)

I asked a straightforward question - did mohammed EVER heal anyone? Dont try dancing around it with your "he will intercede" spin, WHEN and WHERE will he intercede? So if you have a headache now you can't call on his name and recieve healing? \(Read the tafsir of Suratul Fatiha. The first chapter of the Qur'an. Even the Companions used it to heal a tribal Chief. Other parts of the Qur'an are used to heal. Ayatul Qursi, is a great examole. Infact the whole of Qur'an is healing document)

How many of his colleagues did he heal of their wounds during their many battles? whom did he raise from the dead? (I have addressed most of your concerns. Yes Muhammad did not have to raise anyone from dead. However, even a stump of try that he used to lean on began to weep, when he did not lean on it any more. He had to talk to the dead try that it can be brought back alive or be buried as a believer. The tree stump wanted to be buried as a believer, so they did)


Quote from: olabowale on Today at 01:48:18 AM
Did allah put the sins of all mankind on mohammed? How did he bear these sins? Can mohammed forgive your sins? (No bearer of Burden shall bear the Buurden of another soul. However, through Muhammad, Allah provide a Blue Print of salvation for all Mankinds. Not Just the Jews/Children of Israel)


Just HOW did allah provide a blue print for salvation in mohammed? What is this blue-print? How do muslims get saved through mohammed and WHAT is the proof of this salvation? (The Qur'an is the BluePrint. And it extends till the end of time, from its revelation. We are all under Muhammad's Prophethood. You do not believe him, but you took the old prophet Jesus as God! Read many surah of the Qur'an. For example, read surah Kahf or the cave. Towards the end of it, you will see where the Believers are given the news of paradise and the disbelievers, Jews, Christians and others are given the bad nwes of hellfire. Now where do you want to end up?)

Olabowole do you have ADHD? (No. Olabowale does not have ADHD. You are a real comedian. Yes you heard me. lol)
It's impossible for you to focus on one topic. (The topic is One God, aint it? It is you who is dragging it out of place. How do you justify a God, who is a son and a prophet and a man, all at the same time? When you were told of wrong your idea is, you claim that ordinary people can understand it. Which one is clear and direct, One God that is supreme or the God who is man and son and prophet, all in one shot?)

You keep jumping around and saying very little. (You are not following me. You tend to be stuck in neutral. How do you figure, you can present a winning argument, when you can quote a verse that can stand on its own merit. Infact, you are proving to us can describe himself, in a clearand precise statement. So you borrow, from Paul and you want me to fall for the harlem shuffle?)

Focus and stop acting confused? (How am I acting confused? I have One God. You have 3 godhead, that you are trying so hard to pass up for One God. Who is confused here?)


lol @ Nwando, i don't really blame him. Like his fellow muslims they don't really know anything besides "allah is one god and mohammed is his messenger", every other thing is just grasping desperately at straws. They know they are in a sinking boat, they are just too blind to admit it. (Allah is enough. Grasping for straws, is the fact that you are trying to tell us that 3 is 1! Grasping for straws is that you are denying that your book, is watered down (See David, I controlled myself not to say 'lost'). You have a book that has a quadzillion versions and editions and revisons,etc. The Catholic you copied it from, less the 7 or so books, you now claim them to be pagans? See any resemblance of paganism, already? A daughter can say mom is ugly, especially when resemble that mother. She had just confirmed that she is ugly as well!)

@Nwando: What else is wrong with me, dear? I am sure you will come up with something later. Did you like my explanation fetal development yesterday?

@Davidylan: There is your answer below .

Alhaji, Muhammad again in the very book you claim is corrupt and has missing verses? How can this be so? What about the lost torah and injil? (Okay, your Injiil is not totally lost. But is watered down. Its like if you make a good tasty cool aid. Then you pour a full glass for yourself. Then you have this friend who does not like cool aid but just the color. So he pour himself a tall glass of cold water. But he leaves enough for you to just pour some cool aid to give it a very light cool aid color. But sure there will not be any noticeable cool aid taste. This is your water down Bible/Torah?injiil. You may as well consider it lost.) How about them apples? By the way david, its the time to pick apple. And you are in upstate. You go for it in any nearby orchard?

Did Muhammad bear your healing by the stripes he recieved in the battle of Uhud? Did mohammed EVER HEAL anyone? (By Allah, the Key of Paradise is in his hand. And before then, he will intersede, for and on behalf of all Believers. There is an hadith on it. Ask Nwando to locate for you. lol)


Did allah put the sins of all mankind on mohammed? How did he bear these sins? Can mohammed forgive your sins? (No bearer of Burden shall bear the Buurden of another soul. However, through Muhammad, Allah provide a Blue Print of salvation for all Mankinds. Not Just the Jews/Children of Israel)

@Davidylan:

Quote from: olabowale on Today at 10:23:22 PM
If any one from those who are alive do not experience death, then you are proving my point; Your God may not be fair and just. Every human being must go through the same experience of birth and death. There is no exception

Every human being will go through the death experience . . . however you are only looking at it from a physical angle. Separation from God is the same as spiritual death. (Yes and we continue to tell you, you ain't getting it! Having 3 godheads in a "One' God, especially when one of them suffered dead, yet you refuse to accept that the death of one deminishes the paower of the 2 parts that remained. Even just a notch. Therefore, i will have to accept that they are separate godhead, independent of one another! If this is the case, you have therefore three Gods. Your case is like the servant that has three masters, each one of them sending him on an errant, at the same time. Each errant, is opposing the other 2. Will this servant have a peace of mind as he tries to run the errand of one, he will be in jeopardy of the remaining 2)

I will give you an example: Genesis 3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. (But Adam did not die. God also forgave him. If everyone is holy and there is no need to seek forgiveness from God, God will creat those who will make mistakes and seek forgiveness. Your problem is this, you forgot that the grand plan of God is for Adam and his progeny to dwell on earth. Yet they were created in paradise. There must be a way to get them to the earth. Hence the failure to follow the Instruction about the tree)

But wait . . . Adam and Eve did not "die" that very day they ate the fruit, infact they lived long enough to bear children. So was God lying? No because that day they died a spiritual death - separation from the garden which symbolised God's presence. (They still had God in their life. They seek forgiveness and God accepted their supplication. Infact they were the firts to seek forgiveness. While the devil is the first to sin)


Quote from: olabowale on Today at 10:23:22 PM
The world will not all die off before Christ. (So it the world will not die off, where is judgement and how about Paradise and Hell? They will not exist? No punishment for, say Adolph Hitler, etc?)


physical death is not the only route to paradise and hell. Elijah and Enoch did not see death. (Yet they must die before the day of Judgement. This is hatman decree)


Quote from: olabowale on Today at 10:23:22 PM
Darling, Hitler, Mussollini, and all the killers in Christianity will be in this place too? There is no payment fro their evil deeds, no accounting?


Only islamic hypocrites refer to hitler as christians SO AS TO USE them as a ready made excuse for their muslim murderers. (Oh, excuse me. Hitler was a Muslim. But the Vatican and other Church leaders in Vaderland/Germany and Austria, who supported him were overwhelmingly not Muslims. Now we settle the case. lol)

The bible is clear - Thou shalt not kill and the soul that sinneth IT SHALL DIE! (So what happens to all the Christians who have taken a soul? From your verse here, it does not matter whether it was for a just or unjust cause.)

Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. (So when people in this second are in it, do they feel the pain?)


Quote from: olabowale on Today at 10:23:22 PM
Available Translations and Versions for Phl 1:21
KJV - Phl 1:21 - For to me to live [is] Christ, and to die [is] gain. (You are quoting letters. After Jesus was no more on the stage. This does not cut it)


Jesus is no longer here in the flesh but He is very much here in the form of the Holy Spirit. It is understandable that Paul remains a thorn in the flesh of those who love darkness more than light for their deeds are evil. (Alhamdulillah. I do not do big time evils. However being the best friend of Paul will not guarantee you mercy of God. Infact, you need to concentrate on yourself and leave Paul to the decision of God Almighty on him)


20:3 and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished. But after these things he must be released for a little while. (Does this make anysence to you? Considering that there was never a time in the history of man that there was no influence of the evil one, on mankind, in one form or the other.)

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a[fn1] thousand years. (Uh! Wierd)

Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. (How many resurrection are there, in just one live? Cats have 9 lives, it is a cliche. Will it then be resurrected how many times?)

Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years. (After death and first and second resurrections, why the need for priests? What happens after the end of the 1000 year reign? If you don't know just say so)

Rev 20:7 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison (When satan, is released what happens? A new pressure cooker as satan is now free to do whatever. Or is his nature now changed that he becomes good? Whatever your answer, you will lose this argument with me. I am setting you up for a big time fall)

Rev 20:8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. (Okay)

Rev 20:9 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them. (Okay)

Rev 20:10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where[fn2] the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. (Okay)

Rev 20:11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. (Umm)
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God,[fn3] and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. (The speaker, was he also judged or not judged?)

Rev 20:13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. (Umm)

Rev 20:14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.[fn4] (So many time for an entity to die)

Rev 20:15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire. (In all, the rev verses above, etc, Jesus had to leave the earth to have this sent down? He could not reveal these while he was alive? Don't you see that from this alone, Jesus did serve as all that ends all. Even from the NT, we see that other new things were being brought in into what Jesus left, by people who are not his apostles! Yet you could not accept Qur'an, coming from Allah which confirmed the pure messages of Jesus/ Moses, etc, of the Oneness of God?)

Footnotes:
20:4 M-Text reads the.
20:10 NU-Text and M-Text add also.
20:12 NU-Text and M-Text read the throne.
20:14 NU-Text and M-Text add the lake of fire.



But david you write about everything, except disproving the Oneness of God!
Do you believe that there is One indivisible God? Yes or no? Is God more than
One?


Quote from: olabowale on Today at 10:42:38 PM
Isnt it more weird that the shaitan inspired some verses in your quran? Quote me a verse and we can discuss it)


the mere fact that shaitan-inspired verses are in the quran is enough for me not to believe anything in it. How can light dwell together with darkness? (Only physically and spiritually deaf and blind person, with dead heart, in his/her body will say that Muslims associate with Shaitan. In the Qur'an, Allah says, And when you are beginning the recitation, seek refuge in Allah from the acursed Shaitan. Acursed in that he is deprived of all mercy from God. Muslims seek refuge in God, all the time from the acursed Shaitan. How then is there a verse from him in the Qur'an? I ask you to quote it, you just can not. But unashamely continued your dishonesty. It does not work, since you can prove or use logic to make me even consider the idea)


Quote from: olabowale on Today at 10:42:38 PM
Dont you find it weird that you have abrogated verses in your quran? (Abrogation means it is replaced by something current for the time. For example, permission to talk is abrogated by commandment to keep sitent in salah. Thats clear enough.)


How can allah be the begining and the end when he needs to be replacing his words with to make it "current" with time? (You are naive. Let me help you. Allah say sto Muhammad, 'Be patient with the Muslim, if you are not they may get away from you. You wean a person from doing evil, like adultery, or drinking as you wean a child, from breast feeding to bottle, and then from bottle to solid food, gradually. It never happen in one shot. Thats what abrogation means)


Quote from: olabowale on Today at 10:42:38 PM
Isnt it weird that you are still debating which is false or genuine hadith even today? (The debate simply points out to you the honesty and transparency of Islam methodology of of getting to the truth)


and you have a problem with verses in footnotes? No sir, the debate simply points to the confusion that is the quran. That you are still debating which words of "god" are genuine or not is an indication that you do not truly know your god at all. (Hadith is the saying and Sunnah is what Muhammad did or permits. Qur'an, unlike the Bible, is fully complete and it is unchanging. You have no significant knowledge of Islam to argue, from all that you just said)


Quote from: olabowale on Today at 10:42:38 PM
And you come here telling me about weird . . . (Yes, David. Why, because I want you to open your eyes, your inner eyes, I mean. Simply because because I want whats best for you. I want success for everyone, period)


You can't tell me to open my eyes when yours are firmly shut in denial. (Denying what? I said there is only One Supreme God. You said there are three parts to Him, at best, if not three Gods. Who is the one that had lack of insight and vision, of the true God Almight? I said mine is everlasting. You said, partially died at one time. I said mine is separate from His creation. You said yours came down as a man. I said mine is all knowing. You said yours had to come down to learn about the quality of his creation to make better judgement. David I could go on and on.)


Quote from: olabowale on Today at 11:03:12 PM
But david you write about everything, except disproving the Oneness of God!
Do you believe that there is One indivisible God? Yes or no? Is God more than
One?


1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. (You are quoting Timothy, a document written after Jesus was lifted up. My God. This means nothing to any argument. Rather it shows that the Bible has, What seems to be coming from God, then from Angels, then from prophets and then from ordinary people. Four different entities! Surprisingly, you hang of of that on God! How is God His Angels, or His prophets or even the ordinary people?)

In answer to your "question" - YES there is ONE GOD. (This I agree with you)

@Nwando: Mo ni ki nse area boy fun e ni. lol. (I just learnt about its defination this evening.

The Bible says we compare scripture with scripture. (It seems as if scripture by your defination is verse being compared to another verse. Okay)

No single verse of the Bible can be a doctrine of it's own. (If this is so, we must never accept the verse which says Jesus rose, or son of God or God. If we find any group of verses that are overwhelmingly opposing any of these notions above, we have to take them over it. Considering majority rule/carry the vote. lol)

but I pray God opens your eyes. (I say the same prayer for you. Not just your physical eyes, but whats inside your chest. Amiin)


Isa 53:3 He is despised and rejected by men,
A Man of sorrows and acquainted with grief.
And we hid, as it were, our faces from Him;
He was despised, and we did not esteem Him. (You are describing Muhammad,. Nothing you said described Jesus exclusively. If Moses was a prophet after Isiah, it would also fit him.)

Isa 53:4 Surely He has borne our griefs
And carried our sorrows;
Yet we esteemed Him stricken,
Smitten by God, and afflicted. (Read the last verses of Chapter 9 of the Qur'an)

Isa 53:5 But He was wounded for our transgressions,
He was bruised for our iniquities;
The chastisement for our peace was upon Him,
And by His stripes we are healed. (Battle of Uhud, Muhammad was wounded)

Isa 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray;
We have turned, every one, to his own way;
And the LORD has laid on Him the iniquity of us all. (Muhammad was sent as a Messenger and a Mercy to all mankind)

Isa 53:7 He was oppressed and He was afflicted,
Yet He opened not His mouth;
He was led as a lamb to the slaughter,
And as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
So He opened not His mouth. (Again, during the early days of Islam, in maakka, the Quraish did expel the hashimite tribe. Read the history of Muhammad)

Isa 53:8 He was taken from prison and from judgment,
And who will declare His generation?
For He was cut off from the land of the living;
For the transgressions of My people He was stricken. (This describes Muhammad in many instances, before Hijra, in the many battles the Muslims fought)

The above verse has been responsible for bringing thousands of Jews to accept Christ as saviour because the see he fulfilled all that prophecy hunderds of years prior to his birth. (And Jews and Gentile are entring Islam in drove, right here in the west. Especially, God's Own Country)

God is good. (I Concur with you. However God rewards good and punishes evil)

But david you write about everything, except disproving the Oneness of God!
Do you believe that there is One indivisible God? Yes or no? Is God more than
One?

@Davidylan: I will come back to Nwando, later on. The evening prayer is approaching.

Isnt it more weird that the shaitan inspired some verses in your quran? Quote me a verseand we can discuss it)

Dont you find it weird that you have abrogated verses in your quran? (Abrogation means it is replaced by something current for the time. For example, permission to talk is abrogated by commandment to keep sitent in salah. Thats clear enough.)

Isnt it weird that you are still debating which is false or genuine hadith even today? (The debate simply points out to you the honesty and transparency of Islam methodology of of getting to the truth)

And you come here telling me about weird . . . (Yes, David. Why, because I want you to open your eyes, your inner eyes, I mean. Simply because because I want whats best for you. I want success for everyone, period)


I want us to focus on the main toPic. Leave Sudan and Egypt there in Africa. And by the way, the Muslim Student organization, of England are raising 'cane' on the matter of the Sudanese decision. You need to hear all opinions before assumptions.

@Nwando:

Jesus is alive. (You are not definate about it. However we are in agreement that he was raised up, by his Lord. After that its anybody's guess)

He died a physical death as a man but being God he arose and is alive today (If his Lord raised him up, he can never be God, the Lord who raised him up)

Rapture is not about escaping death. (What is it then? Is the raptured going to die as in Physical death?)

It is about the end of times and the plan of God and when that time comes of course some people will still be alive (If any one from those who are alive do not experience death, then you are proving my point; Your God may not be fair and just. Every human being must go through the same experience of birth and death. There is no exception)

The world will not all die off before Christ. (So it the world will not die off, where is judgement and how about Paradise and Hell? They will not exist? No punishment for, say Adolph Hitler, etc?)

In Christianity physical death is not a bad thing at all. (All muslims are expecting it. We are not rapture compartible)

When a Christian dies,they go to a better place where there are no sicknesses,no sins,no ills. (Darling, Hitler, Mussollini, and all the killers in Christianity will be in this place too? There is no payment fro their evil deeds, no accounting?)

Available Translations and Versions for Phl 1:21
KJV - Phl 1:21 - For to me to live [is] Christ, and to die [is] gain. (You are quoting letters. After Jesus was no more on the stage. This does not cut it)

King James Version 1611, 1769 (Sell me the Brooklyn Bridge, instead)

@Davidylan:Ask those people, who know about Sudan and Egypt. They will tell you> Have you ever heard the term Lower and Upper Egypt?)