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@Davidylan: Just for kicks, let me answer your questions.

where are the details of how the Jews got into Egypt in the first place? (In the time of abundant
only in Egypt, but everywhere else, there was famine. So the brothers of Joseph who at that
time the head of the treasury, the food part of Egypt came to buy grains. Twice, in which they
brought his younger brother from his mother along, the second time. Then he planted his cup
on his younger brother, who in onthe act, you want more? Get a Qur'an and read!

How did Moses lead the Jews out of Egypt? (After so many miracles, Pharaoh, reluctantly
let them go. Then he changed his mind because God had increased him in arrogance, so that
he can perish. He raised his army against them. Moses parted the sea. Then Pharaoh and his army
perished in the sea, while the children of Israel crossedd it victoriously. Unfortunately, and this is why
I feel that I just must answer your questions, the details of Pharaoh's body after his drowning
was not given in the Bible. If you have it, please direct me to it. I will love to read it. But in the
Qur'an, Allah says that Pharaoh's lifeless body will be saved as a sign for future generation to see
the end result of tyranny. When this part of the Qur'an was revealed, Pharaoh's body was yet
located. But after it was revealed, the body of Pharaoh was found at a place later nicknamed
the mountain of Pharaoh. Just Imagine all these many centuaries, that this tyrant King had passed,
the Bible was already revealed, then came the young and vibrant Qur'an and made this bold statement
and presto, they found Pharaoh's Body! Amazing! A full miracle by itself. Go ask the learned of
Egyptiology what I have just told you for accuracy. Go david, you are free to ask questions.)
How was Moses born? Where? to whom? (Moses was born naturally! YOu make me laugh. Am sorry,
I should never have done that. He was born in Egypt by a family of the Children of Israel, when they were
under the oppression of the Egyptions.  The Jewish family. known as Imran family. You ask too easy a
question. When I have new children, I hope they find somebody like you as their Professor; easy As!


How did moses get the call of "allah"? ( After he had served this term in Maiden. He was in a journey with his
family. he say a smoke in the bush, so he thought that he will probably find some people that he can
ask them for some help. When he got into this place, he heard a voice, which told him that it was God and he should
remove his shoes,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and the rest is history!)


@Nwando: Please answer the questions. You are a smart woman and you know that I know that. I also love you
as I would love a sister or a precious stone, like DIAMOND. Enjoy it.

Davidylan: I gave you an assignment. I directed you to the material
sources, yet you are too lazy to do it?

Nwando, please, help davidylan, with some advise. Tell him how to search
for info about the Qur'an! Common, pretty please. David is a riot. I don't
know what to do with him. Please tell him that the Qur'an is not like the Bible.

And by the way, Nwando and Davidylan, can you tell me how Jesus can be
exactly like Moses, from the Spiritual/religious sense of the word, if you
consider the below;

1. Moses was only a prophet and nothing else, in a religious sense, is Jesus
only a prophet?

2. Moses never claimed to be son of God, was Jesus like that, too?

3, Moses never claimed to be God, was Jesus like that too?

4. Moses never claimed that when you see me, you see God. Was Jesus also
like that?

5. Moses never gave an impression that he and God are one, did Jesus do that?

6. Moses never said he only can forgive, did Jesus say that he is not the the
one who can forgive, also?

7. Moses never claimed he had any independent power, whats Jesus position here?

Please tell me now, when John son of Zachariah was asked by the elders of
the children of Israel if he was the 3 expected prophets, even though he denied
that he was never anyone of the three could you list the names as I put it below;

a. Are you Elijah? Who finally was Elijah according to Jesus ?

b. Are you the Messiah? Who finally was the Messiah according to Jesus?

c. Are you the Prophet? Who finally was the prophet according to Jesus?

Note: Did Jesus answered the question numbered 'c,' above?

@Davidylan: Since you are so lazy to do anything, thanks
to those who cater to you hands and feet, so I will
true to tradition, provide you with website info,

1. For English translation of Qur'an; www. quran.com

2. For tafsir of the Qur'an, google and enter Tafsir ibn Kathir.

You should be able to help yourself from these two sources. Look
I even have the Bible handy, courtesy of the internet. Do the same
about Qur'an.

@Davidylan:

Quote from: olabowale on Today at 12:32:51 AM
As to the story of Moses: If your Biblical account is correct, then the Egyptians, did not know the
Business management, enough. No wonder they lost to a depleted, but highly valued commodity,
the Israelite slaves. If America and the European slave traders and harvesters had used this
Biblical method to deal with their Boomper crop slaves, they would not have had a good supply of it.

And Davidylan respose:
You are speaking woefully out of context, betraying your appalling lack of knowledge and exhibiting the islamic predilection for dishonesty yet again. The Isrealites were slaves to the Egyptians for more than 430 years (a small detail your quran forgot to include). . . did you read about the plagues of Egypt and how that eventually forced pharaoh to let the Isrealites go with great reluctance? How did the Egyptians meet their end? Was it not while pursuing the Jews after pharaoh had a change of heart and wanted the isrealites back?

(Davidylan, my lack of knowledge, has afforded me to read the Bible, many times over and made a sound decision, thereafter, not to be a Christian. Then, I picked up the Qur'an in Arabic and began to study it. Today, Alhamdulillah, I can read it very
fluently. However, your problem is that you hate to lose and you will throw a spoil
brat temper tantrom! I wonder if you are the only child of your parents, because you
exhibit a classic personality of a lonely child.

I pity your future bride. You lack soffistication and civilized mannerism. Then ever you
talk, what comes out is garbage. Yet you do not see that the world does not revolve
around you! You need to do better!

Now, read Suratul Baqarah, Al Imran, Nissa, Yusuf and others in the Qur'an as see what
you have been very blind to see, hence you scream your lungs out! If you read, Suratul Hud,
Ibrahim, Ambiyya, and others in the Qur'an, you will see Ismail story in there. Run along and
read. Sometimes it does the body good. We already know what it does for the soul. Unfortunately,
in your story of the Egyptians' defeat, through the hand of Moses, you never once said, that
they were attacked by foreign army after the defeat, nor did you say that there was a
formidable power, competing with them, prior to this defeat. Your thesis will fetch you a F with me.


Quote from: olabowale on Today at 12:32:51 AM
The Qur'anic explanation is very acceptable to the heart.


What nonsense! The quran did not appear until more than 4000 years after the event it purports to be reporting while the bible we read is from a first hand witness of the very events. We'll read the rest of your verbiage and expose them for the plagiarized rubbish they really are.
Wait . . . did the quran tell us how the jews got to Isreal? Any details on who these jews are at all before jumping to "explain"?

(Davidylan are you now saying that the older an idea/hypothesis, is the more
it is accurate, compare to a more recent and fresher idea/hypothesis, which has
proveable supporting evidence? Just because the Bible is older, does it mean, it
is better than the Qur'an? You claim to be a student of science, is this what Science
is today? Davidylan, you described yourself by the label you ascribed to me above!



Quote from: olabowale on Today at 12:32:51 AM
See Pharaoh dreamt, that somebody grewup
from the children of Israel, who are under the yoke of slavery to challenge his authority. Pharaoh dreamt
and like the Pharaoh of Joseph asked the dream interpreter from among the Egyptians to give him the
meaning and a solution to it. They came up that it seemed to them that somebody will be born who will
try to get the release of the Children if Israel.

The solution was to kill every male born by the Children of Israel from that point onward.


Mohamadu was not a very smart thief. Anybody can easily detect that this is a mere regurgitation of Exodus chapter 1 but with a few twists here and there to make it sound different. How come NONE of you muslims knew this until mohamadu appeared with his bag of lies?

(David, if Muhammad's story is so much detailed that the older Bible, then
your Bible, was really incomplete and it there is a good reason to doubt it)


Quote from: olabowale on Today at 12:32:51 AM
But they realised that killing every male, of every year will bring a shortage of the precious commodity of Slavery, which is
what have been fueling the Egyptian economy, all along. If you know, Egypt was controlling a third of the
whole world, at least all Africa.

What was finally decided to try to grow future slave supply and try to get rid of this future possible challenge
was to spare a year male births and kill the the male birth of the following year. The year of sparing of the
male births, is when Aaron was born. The year Moses was born is the year of killing. This is the true story.


You know what makes me doubt the quran even more? You people cry loudly that ishmael was the REAL SON of Abraham and so was the child of promise who was to be sarificed on the mount of Moriah . . . but the Quran on the other hand spends an unhealthy amount of time on Isaac and his descendants the Jews!! Where are the stories of ishmael and his descendants? Whom did Ishmael marry?

(David, in the Qur'an, we do not have the names of Isiac, Jacob, etc wives. So whats your story?)


Could the quran's silence on Ishmael be because the bible says nothing on him and so mohamadu had no story of him to plagiarize too?

(David, read about Ismail in the Qur'an, before you burst a gasket. You are too young!)


What you have done is simply regurgitate the first 2 chapters of exodus and put an islamic spin on it. good job! (Davidylan: Whats an Islamic spin? Have read the Qur'an? Each of its stories is more superior than what you have in the Bible, from the points of Journalism, accuracy and attention grabbing! Read about Moses in Suratul Taha. Read about Joseph in Suratul Yusuf. What are you talking about?)

@Cgift: I will not yawn. However, if I do, I will cover my mouth, using palm
of my right hand, or the back of my left hand. Unfortunately, at your young
age, you need glasses, or you forgot to read my statement, or you did not
put any thinking cap on before you responded to me.

If you did read and or put the cap on, it is because it did not fit or there is
some serious thing going in your mind, that could have clouded your thinking,
for you to respond to me like you did. I said, 'and others,' in my entry after I
I wrote Christians. Madonna is in the 'other.' Duuuh!

@Aisha: Change your name, please. Aisha is the name of a great Muslim
woman! Since you are a Christian, take a christian name, from the Zillions
that are available! I need to know who is a Muslim and who is not. You are
deceiving us by your name.

@t_Lawal: You are invited to what is good. We gave you
an opening to go directly to your Creator, using His word,
the Qur'an to resolve all your present and future problems.
I hope you are taking the steps to reconnect to Allah. He is
ONLY One Who can resolve your issue. Please do not let the
deceiver, deceive you. The result is definitely failure.

@D-reloaded: Right about Madonna. Thats why i said 'others.'

@ The poster: Nigeria is not a Christian Country!
Further, we should pay attention to the pictures we
put on Our Profile record, on Nairaland. Thats for a
starter, then we can begin to address the issues
and many more that you outlined, above!

@Dot2002: Aren't you, being a woman, forget being a humanbeing, feel sad that
your sister, by gender alone, is being abused? Yet unfortunately, there was a single
courageous man to stand up for her? Think about it. What if that is your state of
affairs in the Kogi state of nigeria, where you reside? Would you be happy?

Personally, I detest all kinds of injustices. I always want to star from me. Checking
myself daily on my quality og behaviour. This has nothing to do with me being a
Muslim or not. It has to do with being concern and God consciousness.

@Cgift: No am not angry. I have to laugh at your camel urine deal.
Christians and others who are health conscious, eg Madonna, even drink and uses
other animals urine.

Bawo ni. I hope you are okay and I wish you well.

@FBS: If you can contribute anything tangible, please stay on the sideline.
Cheer people on, but be polite about it. When i said Gods, you should know that
the Christians have considered to be God, in part be cause of the name
Emmanuel. Yet he never was referred to as Emmanual by his piers. Thats why
playfully referred to Oluwasegun, etc as such. This is an obvious point. Think about
it, man!

@Backslider: Omo ya. When you read the Qur'an, and you cross referrence a hadith with it
using the elements that I provided in my previous post, you will know if it is authentic as in
chain, etc Sahih, or if it is daif, weak unsound, very unlikely.

For example, if you find any hadith that says do not make salah, if you are conscious, for
example, then you definately know that it is daif. Because, after belief in the Oneness of God,
what is next is Salah, because, you have it everyday, many times over. And it is the first sign
to point to people that this is a muslim or not.

I do not intend to dwell on this for too much. If you are not a muslim, the authenticity of
any hadith will not benefit you, anyhow. Come back to Islam first and we can discuss it, again.

@Pilgrim.1: You are so bold to ask a lame question as you did below!
Did it not occur to you that Masjid Aqsa and Bome of the Rock (Masjid Umar),
are in the possession of the Muslims, and they were in the event of the
Isra wa Miraj recorded in Chapters known as Isra and Najm! Come on!

Pilgrim.1 statement:
The fallacies behind these thoughts are self-evident. Who are the brethren of the Jews to whom Moses referred in Deut. 18:15 & 18? And did Muhammad have a similar experience as Moses to whom God spoke "face to face"? We shall be closely examining these two positions from a Biblical perspective.

The Miraj part of this journey was from Jerusalem to heavens and back, in
Body and Soul! Abu Bakr, the father of Aisha, our mother received the titled
name, 'Al Saddig, the truthful!'

In this journey, which was described in details about what Muhammad saw
in heavens, in Surah Najm, Muhammad said that the process and command of
Salah was given to him. He also said that he received the last 4 verses of the
second chapter, during this occasion.

You embellish so much that i wonder if you are ever sincere. No wonder you are
not a Muslim. You never have been a Muslim, even though you claimed so
in the past. But your entry odf yesterday said otherwise.

Now could you answer this for me: How can Jesus be exactly like Moses, looking
at it, solely from Religious points of view;

Was Moses more than a Prophet?
Did Moses ever claimed to be son of GOd?
Did Moses ever claimed to be God?
Was God like Moses?
Did Jesus lead his people the Children of Israel to any victory?
Was Jesus ever accepted enmasse by his people, the Children of Israel?
How much is population of those who accepted him even today?

I have more, but I still love you, so i do not want to overburden you with
all of it at one time. Please answer these questions.

@dot2002: Uh? The Kindergarten class, is already in recess. Come back tomorrow.
This a grown up forum. How do you Justify labelling somebody exactly like Moses, then
you immediately turn around and call this person God? Could you tell me;

Was Moses not just Prophet and nothing else?

Did Moses claimed to be the son of God?

Did Moses claimed to be God?

Is God like Moses?


You need to challenge your heart and please provide your respond,
A one liner will not cut it. Am sorry.

@Longman83: Your response to me today is posted below;

Quote from the the response of Olabowale, yesterday to Pilgrim:
First, since you are an African, you should know from the African perspective that
brethren means, someone you share bloodline with, eg Cousin, etc. Ibrahim, is not
exclusive to the Children of Israel! (To the one poster who probably do not know what
Children of Israel consists of; It consists all the 12 major tribes of the children of Israel,
the Jew, as a tribe is one of the 12 tribes.)

The response of Longman83 to the above, from Olabowale
Olabowale, why does the occurence of the term 'brethren' in the Deuteronomy 18:18 verse have to be defined in terms of a (supposed) African perspective, rather than the immediate context of the verse itself?. Pilgrim1 spelled it out clearly here:


Quote, Longman83 quoting Pilgrim.1's past entry as a response to Olabowale's above entry:
The case has been established that the phrase "from the midst of thee, of thy brethren" points only to people within the Jewish nation, especially when one reads its context in such texts as Deut. 17:15 - 'Thou shalt in any wise set him king over thee, whom the LORD thy God shall choose: one from among thy brethren shalt thou set king over thee: thou mayest not set a stranger over thee, which is not thy brother.'
Context, context, context. (Olabowale response to Longman83: Long before the establishment of
the state of Israel, say 150 years ago, the Children of Israel who lived in palestine, the Arabs of
Palestine gladly called them brothers or cousins, the least form of way of acknowledging their blood ties to their
common Patriarch, Ibrahim. Today, the Jews will proudly call any Muslim, their COUSIN, barring the
politicking and their unsteadiness of their effort to stand out for is right, in the face of the tyrannical
Christian fundamentals, who purport to be their supporters, but really their future mass slaughterers.
In view of the above, the Arabs are brethren of the Children of Israel. Muhammad was an Arab!
When Jesus was asked if he was the King of the Jews, he flatly denied it. The Children of Israel, okay
the Jews, never at anytime, offered him the throne as a king. In the case of Muhammad, he was offered to be
made the King of all Makka, and knowing the history of the region, during his lifetime, he could have
been the king of the whole of Arab peninsula. The Muslims, under the leadership of Umar bin Khattab
conquered Jerusalem, under Muhammad's mandate. He could have been king, for and on behalf of
Muhammad. My brother, so you see, it fits Muhammad like a glove. However, if it is your view to accept
your biased Church leaders, in deed Christian explanation, and of course, our eminent Pilgrim.1's
expalanation, then my question is still the same thing, will you then restrict Jesus only to the full
description of that verse, as a Prophet? Remember it is to be exactly like Moses, from the religion
point of view. Moses never claimed to be son of God, not to even think of saying he is God! This is
where you need to reexamine your heart and make sound judgement to safe your own Hyde!)

@Dafidixone: Responding to your post below is very amusing to me.

Quote from lakpene as a question to davidylan:
I started replying to your other post but lost it and do not want to rewrite. But, this is my question, "What is so special about Jesus that he is now God."

Response from Dafidixone:
Permit me to attempt answering your question, if you will care to meditate rether than expantiate the question.

In Genesis God said Come let us made man in our own image. In the same Genesis we learnt that when God was creating the Wold,The Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters. (Olabowale's response to dafidixone: The first obvious question to your rejoiner is this; who did God call in this 'Come,' request or command? What is the purpose of the coming, to
aid, assist, take over or what? Further what is the image of God; is it the same as the
image of whoever the come was addressed to or what really? What does it mean that
the spirit of God was moving about over the surface of the water, during the creation
of the world? Could it not have been perfect in authority that God in His might simple
command the action of creation to begin, as we have it in the Qur'an? Is this not more
befitting to His Power and ability to do all things?)

This has gone to tell you that there is only one person in three form at the creation. i.e God the Father, God the Son amd the Holy Spirit. (Olabowale's response: How do you figure this 3 persons out? Does it make
any spiritual sense about the Superiority of God, over all things? Is
there any other Creator than the Singularly Creator which is GOD the Almighty?)

In the book of Daniel it was also confirmed when three Hebrew were thrown into the burnin funace, the Unbelivers King confirmed that the forth person is in appearance of the Son of God. (Olabowale's response: How did the king know this, when he did not
enter the fire/furnace with them? Did they tell him, afterward, as about the name of this fourth
entity with the three in the furnace that he was who you claimed him to be? Is this
another form to paint the unpaintable? Here is a story for you: Ibrahim was thrown
in the fire, as a punishment for destroying his people's smaller gods and blaming it
the big god. They throw him in a raging inferno, but before he landed in it, Angel
Gabriel appeared to him and offered to help as he may wanted. Gabriel informed
himthat he was given the permission to do so by God. But Ibrahim said no,that he
will rely solely on God, who is capable to truly save him. that God already knows
his condition. based on this alone, his faith in One God, God commanded the fire to be
cool and a place of safety for Ibrahim. He was in that fire for 40 days and he came out
from it, without suffering any stress, whats so ever. Thats pure faith!)

John also confirmed in his book that in the beginning was the work and the word was with God and the word was God. What make Jesus so Special is that He is in God, God is in Him. He cannot be differentiated from God. He is Emmanuel. My dear poster, I think you will appreciate this better if you know that God is a living Personality. He is existence. He has no beginning and has no end. The issue of Trinity is a Mystery so when something is mystery, is is beyond canal knowledge. (It is true that trinity is a misery to you. however God
said in His Book, the Al Qur'an, 'desist from saying trinity,' in chapter 5. But Jesus had a beginning;
he was born from his mothers womb. It you wanna go back, his beginning was when the
Angel informed his mother Mary about his impending birth, a forgone conclusion, an already
decreed event (to my darling Pilgrim.1, your HATMAN). Jesus end was his being lifted up from
this earth to heaven! We all agree, with any religiosity in us that God does exist, before Jesus came
to this earth, during his stay on this earth and now that he is no more on the earth. We also
believe that God is always alive. But as a Christian, you defeat your own statement, since you claimed
that God or part of God died, for at least 3 days, which you calculated incorrectly, even looking at
it from the Children of Israel's way of measuring day in time. The Emmanuel that Jesus is called, meaning
God is with us, does not make him God! If this is so, you have a lot of many Gods in Yorubaland even
today. They are Olorunseguns, Olumides, etc, etc. He can be differentiated from God. You see, when you
claimed that he died, you also know that heavens and the earth and whatever were in between did not
go into disarray. Even the Jews who killed him and the Romans who obliged them did not lose any sleep.
This alone is enough to point to you that he was separate and apart from God. Just because you call
him God does not make him God. I can call myself the King of Ijebu Ode, it may not necessary be true.
Truth is one. There is only one way to express it. But falsehood, you have an arrays of ways, yet it
will crumble in the face of truth. The word that was with God, was with Him before, during and after Jesus
earthly life. When you said that Jesus died, the word was still with God. That word was His ability
to command, and order according to His own will, alone. The word never diminished!)

Thanks for your attention.

@Skyone: I could not resist to respond to your post. It is your father in 9ja or
there is another that sired you? Ol boy get a life! You are an annoyance. I can handle
silly and childlike behavior, but stupidity is like madness, in my eye. If you continue
your stupid behaviour, I will just have to ignore you as i will ignore a madman!

Get with the program! Dig?

@Daidylan: Your Quote below,

Muslims are free to claim moses from now till next yr, unfortunately the name of Moses cannot save.

Davidylan, as weak as you think Moses is, he spoke to God directly! he defeated, simply by
using a dry and lifelss stick, a mighty army of Pharaoh, by drowning this evil ruler, with Moses
even striking him with it! Moses was the Moses was the most successful of all of the many
prophets of the Children of Israel. He was not beheaded or tried to be crucified! The stubborn
Children of Israel could not look at the face of that Lion. They shiver when they are in his
presence. So was the greatness of this great Prophet of God!

I blame the Muslims, including myself, that we have not have the courage to stand for
justice across the board, about all the beloved Prohets of God. And even against any
form of injustices against anybody, in any part of the world. However, throughout these
complacencies, you will never hear a Muslim badmouthing a Prophet of God, meaning that he is
taliking about the one provided in the Qur'an. It is not possible.

You will say as Pilgrim.1 had asked about the Jesus on the cross, my answer is this, the Muslims
do not even mean the Jesus in the Bible, but simply pointing out to you how
ridiculous the cross episode is! We know he was not crucified and was not killed.

@Davidylan:

Below is his quote:

this is nothing but bold faced deceit. Where are the days of rage over cartoons of your dearly beloved Moses? How many Muslims here have come crying about "insults to mohamadu" while ignoring insults to other prophets?
Did not mohamadu, the village thug, DIFFERENTIATE himself when he refered to himself as the last and greatest prophet? (Response from Olabowale);

You are younger than me, yes? Generationally, you are newer and
by virtue of your your youth stronger. I have no problem with either
qualification s of your person. Yet we are both males. This is the
same conditions of Muhammad vis a vis the other prophets before him.

How is simply telling a better story of Moses, by the Qur'an, is a fraud?
Is Moses not a prophet of God? Is God not for all of mankind? Yet you
have the freewill to deny his existence, like the Atheists do. Further you
also the freewill to worship him the way you want, including developing
your own religion or even claiming that He walked among men, ate, drank,
slept, fatigued, defecated and even tempted by His own creature. Yet He
has appointed you a given time, the among of time which is known to
him only.

DAVID WAKE UP FROM THE SLUMBER OF YOUR SPIRITUAL UNCONSCIOUSNESS!

@Olowo-tee:

Re: Christians Commit Idol-worshipping Despite Prohibition In Bible
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Quote from: olabowale
@Kobojunkie; My three chances are 200% higher than your single chance!. . . . . . I on the other hand will have 2 more chances. You will have Zero!

chances? eyi je, eyi o je. . . .so that's what you're doing. . . .I pity u no be small . . . . Our only Chance as Christians is Jesus Christ who is the ONLY Way, the Truth and the LIFE. . . . . . .Our ONLY chance to Eternal life. . . .we don't play kalokalo in Christiandom. . (Olabowale's answer: What i have simply
demostrated to you, is this, look all these Prophets
of God and their brothers in prophethood, are all my
prophets. But for you, you only have Jesus son of Mary
who you call God. That is if you have anything at all. And I II said he is no God.)


Quote from: olabowale
If Jesus looses, you will fail terribly! I on the other hand will have 2 more chances. You will have Zero!

FYI: from past records, Jesus has never lost any battle. . . .nor failed in His Promises. . . . . He is ever a Winning King. . . . and that makes us to be confident and rest assured. . . no shaking . It's a pity that you criticise the man you know nothing about. . . . . He is innocent of all these charges you're

(Olabowale's response below);
Yes Jesus never lost any battle from the Islamic perspective. However,
from the Christian perspective he lost plenty of battle.

The muslims say that he never was tempted by the devil, but the Christians
say that he was possessed by the devil and therefore was put to the test
three times by it.

The muslims say that he never was crucified and or died, but the christain say
that he was crucified and died on the cross, knowing fully well that such a death
is to show by the Jews that such a soul is cursed! The christians have a lot to
answer to.

@Alexis: It is true that the history of Muhammad's Islam is younger than the history of the Jews,
indeed the Bible itself. So it is no surprise he was able to tell you in the Book that he claimed to
have been revealed to him, by his Lord, through the mighty messenger of God, Angel Gabrael,
that he has been able to tumble all the falsehood that is in the Bible. Be it the Old or new
Testaments.

Hiowever, Islam had existed before Muhammad, who Allah completed the process upon. Let me
make it easy for you; A man and a woman marry each other. They finally produce a healthy baby,
the sum total crowning achievement of the marriage, most people will agree. However, the process
of bringing the baby forth to adulthood, after birth, includes the nurturing as appropriate, for the
developmental capability of the child. The mother feed the child breastfeeding. She does not give
food until he is capable to chew and digest the food. If the anything is stage inappropriate you
will have a dire consequence.

So for example, when Jesus came, he delivered the message he was commanded to deliver. It was
stage appropriate for the Children of Israel who were supposed to carry it to the rest of mankind.
But they pressed him, in some instances. So he called them 'Oh ye of little faith.' Then he confirmed
to them that they are not stage appropriate for the answer they seek, more so it was not his
duty to do that. Therefore he told them, 'and when the comforter/the spirit of truth, comes, he will
be your reminder of what ever good and wholesome that i have told you and then he will teach you
all things.'

Alexis and other: I ask you who in the christianity that has claimed Prophethood like Jesus that has
reminded anyone the exact truth that Jesus came with (that is if you by chance know what he came
with and spoke completely about), and has taught one to everything, direct and clear, without trying
to draw out fussy inferences?

You can only find that personality in Muhammad, alone in Mankind. He thought me how ro live my life
from cradle to the grave.

And oh, as per Moses, he said he was the first to be a believer in his generation. Rightfully correct,
considering he was the prophet of God, who through his hand, using an ordinary stick the mighty army
of Pharaoh! That in itself is a great miracle. A stick beating out chariots and the lean mean fighting
machine of Pharaoh army. Ibrahiim, the father of faith, a singular qualification of believing, and who is
a friend of God said that he was the first to submit in his generation. So where is your problem, seeing
very clearly that Muslims follow the foot steps of these men? We fast in the day that Moses was
victorious over Pharaoh. We observe the right of the obedience of Ibrahiim in his galant effort to obey
the order of his Lord, that he commanded in his dream to do.

Yet as the Jews and the christians falsely claim Issiac to be the son, they did not see feat to pick up
this observation, in honor to these men. Yet they are quick to celebrate the mondanes. But all of that
has not stopped the muslims to continue with the truth of who was being sacrificed and ransomed!

@Davidylan: A Jew whose religion is say, Christianity or Islam, is he a Jew and except he is a Jew
only by heritage? Is he a Jew by religion? The answer is no!

You are a Yoruba. But you are a Christian. Has your Christianity made you no more a Yoruba? No.
Further among the Yorubas, we have many regional groups, by virtue of say, the sub language
alone. We have the Ekitis, the Egbas, the Ijebus and many more. Yet they are still Yorubas, and
particularly, they are Omo Oduduwa.

To be a Jew, it could by blanketed heritage, of being child of Israel. But it is also by the named Jewish religion
which they practice. Even the Edos, the Ishekiris and others of Nigeria, will claim Yoruba before
other major tribes. The northern people for example belong to the Arewa grouping. Yet, from
among them, your have the obvious, like the hausa, fulani, gambari, just to name a few.

When you ask a Jewish person, by religion and if also by being from the children of Israel to tell
you his core tribe, you may be surprised to have him say something like Rubenite of any of the
12. It is just the same that you ask omo Oduduwa, to tell you his tribe within that group, you may hear
that he says that he is Oyo, Osun, or whatever he is. David, please get that clear in your mind.

@The Poster: AS much as I can on one hand disagree with the arrest, I have
to wonder what was the ulterior motive of the one, the owner of the TEDDY
BEAR, a lifeless object (Being a toy, a plaything, a rag, etc),to be names after
a revered man, a Prophet?

Thats a woman, who does not believe in the Prophet, but overwhelmingly beloved
and believed by the citizens of her host country. Do you see that a least, she
exercised poor judgement as to proclaim to the Sudanese that she does not
respect their views. In the worst case scenario, she had subtly provoked the
spiritual conscience of her host. She is as if she said aloud,'damn you,
Sudan.'

Would I name a dog or a lifeless possession of mine after Paul, in the USA, and a
Muslim announce it in the Public? No. Yet USA is a secular state, but overwhelmingly
Christians.

The Poster should appreciate that you have to respect the collective opinion of
your host and try your best not to offend your neighbors, especially when you a
super minority and your opinion, regardless of how correct you feel may not count.

@Davidylan: You are in school. Go ask any of your Jewish professor, what makes their sada
gathering? To have a complete gathering of the Children of Israel, what and what tribes are
supposed to be present? The tribe of Judah alone, aka the jews? Or they must have the
Rubenites, Levites, etc? I have attended many of their religious gatherings. I know
what am talking about. And you my dear brother have no clue!

@Pilgrim.1: You need to appear on Comedy centreal. Or should I connect you
with David Chappel? Everything is a joke to you. Excessive laughter is a sign
lack of faith. The way the people of Noah laugh all the way to failure. Please
caution yourself. Take my foolish advice. Laugh in moderation.

You know an authentic hadith by the soundness of its chain. The narrators'
characters, vis a truthfulness, trustworthiness, memory capacity, etc. The chain
of narrators, starts from the one who heard it from the Prophet, the companion,
all the way to the last person, who the hadith recorder got it from.

Further, one will judge a hadith by the hadith agreeing with the quality of the
character of the blessed prophet (as). Hadith is graded from very sound, sahih to
very weak and doubtful, daif. Now you have it. Your thread is of no value.

You are so naive man. The prophet of my time, is Muhammad. However, Musa
and Isa are also my prophets. Allah says in His BooK; la nu fa ri kun, baina
ahadim, min rusul, which means do not differentiate between the Prophets.

I just geve you, by Allah, the advantage that I have over you. By Allah, Muslims
are head and shoulders above the Christians and or the Jews.

@Davidylan: And as for the whereabout of Muhammad, Alhamdullullah, he will
be one to sheffah, intercede before his Rabb, Allah tahallah. And it will be
accepted from him! From this, alone, I have all confidence that I will be
victorious. You quote Isiah, yet we see no Jesus in it! Maybe you need to provide
a direct and clear proof. There is no need for conjecture!

You tend to raise the issue that Moses belongs to the Jews alone. No man. Maybe
by ethicity alone. I said maybe, because he was a Levite. By religion, never a
Jew. Read him again in Surah Araf, the height in the Qur'an. He bow is will and said
he was the first of the believers, in his generation! To sometimes, soon I will
help you with the story of Ismail in the Qur'an. An sure you will find it, if you investigate.

Aren't you drenched with the yokes and abdomens of the broken eggs in your basket?
I feel bad that you will stick with something that will not benefit you! Wow, old habit dies
extremely very slow. Jesus will not help you in the day of Judgement. You call him Lord and
that is not his place. He will never answer you, when you call him. There is a God. He is
Supreme, far Superior that whatever you can imagine.

Before you condemn yourself, to the fire of hell, because of your blind faith, please my brother
turn your stove on and let it flame shoot at you. Or put your hand in it. When it burns and
you feel the pain, then know the fare of hell is Zillions of times punishing! Open your heart, please.

@Pilgrim.1: If I were to respond to you in the manner you cowardly respond to me
I will be very critical with your effort to bend the truth, in your effort to explain the
verse in Deut. 18;18, trying to over paint Jesus as the prophet described! You are
amazing and you should be nicknamed, 'evil genius.' Bravo! But it just does not work!

First, since you are an African, you should know from the African perspective that
brethren means, someone you share bloodline with, eg Cousin, etc. Ibrahim, is not  
exclusive to the Children of Israel! (To the one poster who probably do not know what
Children of Israel consists of; It consists all the 12 major tribes of the children of Israel,
the Jew, as a tribe is one of the 12 tribes.)

Further, Ibrahim, was from the old ancient Iraqi city state called Ur, There is no way he could
be a Jew. The Jews as a tribe, in the original definition of it, is the branch of Judah, and Judah was
the children of Jacob. And Jacob is the son of Isac, the son of Ibrahim. How is it then
possible that the ribe emanated from the name of great grand son of a man, the the man
can be defined as from that tribe. Mind you taking precedence over Joseph, the true prophet
amongst these 12 brothers, who they actually bowed their heads to?

The point is this if we just for a moment accept Jesus as the person of the verse in Deut 18;18,
will have to agree that he is only a prophet and can not be anything else!

Further, according to the character of that person in that verse, what he says, alone will have to be the
complete materials, within the 4 corners of the page, of instructions. Therefore anything that Paul
said will have to be discarded! There will be a lot of loose ends in the story already woven in the
NT. There will not be any room for any one to claim that he is God and or son of God. You will have to choose
in this case, He can not be prophet exclusively, as per the verse, because he will have to fit like
as a prophet alone, like Moses.

@Davidylan: Your last quote is kinda fussy to me. The Muslims are trying to
call you back to the path that will benefit you. Thats all. Take it or leave it!

@Kobojunkie; My three chances are 200% higher than your single chance!
Should not this help you, as a warning, that this is real. I am not taking
any chances. But you are in a critical condition. If Jesus looses, you will fail
terribly! I on the other hand will have 2 more chances. You will have Zero!

@Nwando: You got it wrong, dear. Since Qur'an was an oral document, there is no problem in
if what is written down is eating by an elephant, with glutonic appetite. Whats important is
people have it in their memory! Young and old. My dear it does not work to drag Qur'an down
to the level of the Bible. They are on different levels and viewed very diffrerently.