alj harem1:

tell me about it

we are popular

You all definitely are.

I think Ileke-Idi really needs some D.

We should have more threads about the Igbos,seems to attract a lot of people, brings more discussion than about other tribes as well.

jason123:

Do you not think that the country would be disorgainsed if we follow that system Anyway, how low do you want it? and is that not what we are already practising by having councellors, chairmen, governors etc (although, its not practised perfectly)

would you prefer military rule?

jason123:

True, atleast there would be REAL competition and once a political party does not deliver, it would be kicked out!!!

IBB tried that before but it aint work. do u think it can work now and what about Ali haram's ANPP?

jason123:

I hope they merge. If that happens, I can see a two party system in Nigeria.

2 party is definitely better than the 50 party system we have now.

alj harem1:

is that not better

why should us igbos and yorubas look at the differences all the time, we should learn to work together with each other and other groups for nigeria

Worry about ANPP and stay out of Yoruba and Igbo business.

afam4eva:

There are indications that APGA and ACN will merge.

Proof?

Not so fast!!!

[size=15pt]Enugu gov may dump PDP for ACN[/size]

Politics Jan 8, 2011

BY EMMANUEL AZIKEN, Political Editor
The faction of the Peoples’ Democratic Party (PDP), loyal to Governor Sullivan Chime of Enugu State is contemplating its future within the party following fears that the governor and his loyalists would be denied tickets in the general elections.



The governor’s camp, Sunday Vanguard learnt, is in talks with the Action Congress of Nigeria, ACN, on a possible defection of the faction to the party. The talks were held in Abuja on the fringes of last week’s secret meeting of the National Executive Committee (NEC) meeting of ACN. The Chime group, according to reliable sources, was led by a member of the National Assembly.

The Chime faction has the governor, all but two members of the Enugu State delegation to the National Assembly, all members of the Enugu State House of Assembly and commissioners.

A senior official of ACN, speaking on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue, confirmed the talks.The Enugu State Commissioner for Information, Mr. Chuks Ugwoke, however, played down the reported move, saying the governor was going nowhere, insisting the talks to reconcile the two factions were in favour of the governor.

At press time, the involvement of the Deputy President of the Senate, Senator Ike Ekweremadu, in the planned move could not be confirmed. Ekweremadu, who is an integral member of the Chime group and has led negotiations with the Nwodo camp, risks losing his ranking and position in the new Senate should he defect. Repeated efforts to contact him on the development at the weekend were unsuccessful.

Significantly, ACN is insisting on a Memorandum of Understanding, MoU with the Chime faction that would debar them from decamping back to PDP should they be accepted within the party.

Besides ACN, the Chime group, Sunday Vanguard further learnt, is weighing the option of the All Progressive Grand Alliance, APGA, and the Progressive Peoples Alliance, PPA, should the talk with ACN fail. Ironically, APGA is also insisting on an MoU to check the Chime group from returning to PDP after the election. Chime, it was learnt, is to hold talks with his brother-governor, Mr. Peter Obi, to help concretise the talks should the ACN talks completely flounder to a halt.

The frustration of the Chime group follows the breakdown of the negotiations as directed by President Goodluck  Jonathan between the Chime group and the group led by the National Chairman of PDP, Dr. Okwesileze Nwodo, to reconcile with one another. At the centre of the reconciliation efforts was the directive that the two parties should share the executive on a 50:50 basis and, by that, avoid the rancour that could flow out of a congress.

While the governor’s group had agreed to it, the Nwodo group, it emerged, later backed out on the fact that the “sharing” was contrary to the provisions of the Electoral Act that specifically directed that congresses and other democratic methods should be employed to select party officials and choose party candidates for elections.

The Nwodo group had consequently organised its own congress where officials were chosen to the chagrin of the Chime group. There are fears that the Nwodo group could, as such, give the Chime group a fait accompli by organising primaries for political offices that could leave the Chime group out in the cold.

Remarkably, while almost all other states have conducted their party primaries to choose candidates for the forthcoming state and federal legislative elections, Enugu, at press time was yet to conduct its own primaries as a result of protracted crisis that has lately engulfed the state chapter of the party.

The frustration of the Chime group, it was further gathered, was on the limited time available to it to get a platform to present its candidates for the election as the Electoral Act puts January 15 and only through democratic primaries.
Elements within the Nwodo camp had in the last week gone to Court twice to uphold the congress as conducted by the group which has left the Chime group in the cold.

Remarkably, the court is yet to accede to the quest for an exparte injunction as requested by the group’s members.

The scene now playing out in Enugu is being compared with what happened in the party in 1999 when members of the PDP loyal to Chief Jim Nwobodo defected to the Alliance of Democracy, AD, to contest against the official candidates as presented by the PDP in the Senate race. Remarkably, Dr. Okwesileze Nwodo,  presently the national chairman, was then the national secretary of the party who allegedly used his position to foist the candidates of his choice on the party as opposed to the candidates as favoured by Nwobodo.

In the election, the Nwobodo protegees won the election on the platform of the AD but subsequently defected to the PDP. The ACN and APGA are now insisting on an MOU to forbid the Chime group from defecting should they be offered the party tickets.

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2011/01/enugu-gov-may-dump-pdp-for-acn/

alj harem1:

afam, sorry to bother you here

i think ACN should come and libirate us from our leaders in the east

u said you were kanuri remember?

alj harem:

just like they use igbo loanguage to train dogs

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-568941.0.html

So now they use 2 of ur languages to train dogs.

alj harem:

good one

@op

if u really want unity, [size=15pt]drop your culture and tradition and learn yoruba or hausa then we will gradually be uniting because the ethnic boundary is broken

i have learnt hausa as my culture and language

i have also started learning igbo and yoruba languge

so you also should do the same [/size]

Good. Kanuri is almost an extinct language anyway.I hear they only use it to train dogs now.

Kobojunkie:

Reading the end half of the title is not where it ends. You actually were supposed to at least glance through the contents to read what it has to say of the Ibo culture.

So what point exactly were you trying to make with your link?

A series of bombs have also gone off in government buildings in the U.S. this week. It seems like there is a serial bomber on the loose.

Kobojunkie:

What Colonial Tradition? The article itself observes the Ibo Tradition and speaks on it.

Please go back into your link and read what is said in it and the titles.

jason123:

True, I said that and it shows that[b] EVERY SYSTEM HAS ITS ADVANTAGES AND DISADVANTAGES[/b]. Nothing makes your system or my system better. I think all we have to do is to learn from eachother, adopt each other's aspect of culture (useful ones). But saying we should only look at a particular system because it works for ONE ethinc group out of 250 is impossible.

The only way that can happen is if we had our separate countries. Now imagine if Canada, U.S., and Mexico were pushed into one country what do you thing that would be like?

Kobojunkie:

Sorry, here is one for you

http://pcwww.liv.ac.uk/~dvdb/CH_6.pdf . It is only one chapter of the book . . . might help you a bit more than that reference you have up there.

Kobo, it says "colonial tradition", not traditional Igbo tradition.

~Bluetooth:

First and foremost,democracy has not worked in Nigeria.Apart from expansionist conquers that existed in pre-colonial era,oyo,hausaland,kanem and benin are a good example that we can copy from.they are centralized and very effective.

Well then I suggest nigeria so away with states and go back to regions alone. And jason I would suggest due to your previous arguments, you dont agree with what either me or bluetooth are suggesting when it comes to centralization because you were the same one who was talking about something like that will make it easier for a "certain region(s)" to leave.

jason123:

Okay, so, what should Nigeria learn from Ndigbo? How would it work? I personally suggest a conferation of different nations called nigeria. What do you think?

A conference was called off by the big dodo who can bring security to the country.smh.

Kobojunkie:

Let me give you advice  . . . applies when it comes to internet debating, If you have no real information( face, date, age, anything) on the persons you are chatting with, you are best sticking to actually making your case, or you are immediately discarded as yet another internet riff-raff with no case to make.  OK.  . .

Now, please go back and respond CORRECTLY to that post of mine, if you can. If you know more of the Ibos than I do, then show you do or just leave off.

Igbos:

Traditional society

Traditional Igbo political organization was based on a quasi-democratic republican system of government that guaranteed equality of the citizenry as against a feudalist "dictator king" in tight knit communities as witnessed by the Portuguese who first arrived and met with the Igbo people in the 15th century. With the exception of a few Notable towns of the Igbo like Onitsha, which had kings called Obi, and places like the Nri Kingdom and Arochukwu, which had priest kings such as Eze Nri; Igbo communities and area governments were overwhelmingly ruled solely by a republican consultative assembly of the common people. Communities were usually governed and administered by a council of elders and the group's leader was determined by who was the eldest.

Although title holders were respected because of their accomplishments and capabilities, they were never revered as kings, but often performed special functions given to them by such assemblies. This way of governing was immensely different from most other communities of Western Africa, and only shared by the Ewe of Ghana. Igbo secret societies also had a ceremonial script called Nsibidi. The Igbo had and still have their indigenous ancient calendar in which a week has four days, a month consisted of seven weeks and thirteen months made a year. In the last month, an extra day was added. This calendar is still in use in villages and towns to determine the market days.

http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Igbo_people

alj harem:

ola edo, sorry but u are quiet a stu.pid one i must tell you (no oofeince)

a prime minister is a senior miniter of a palimentary system

now did us igbo ever had a palimentary system

First read what a parliamentarian system is them read about traditional igbo society then come back and tell the difference.Use your head, u can do better than that.

Kobojunkie:

Let me give you advice  . . . applies when it comes to internet debating, If you have no real information( face, date, age, anything) on the persons you are chatting with, you are best sticking to actually making your case, or you are immediately discarded as yet another internet riff-raff with no case to make.  OK.  . .

Now, please go back and respond CORRECTLY to that post of mine, if you can. If you know more of the Ibos than I do, then show you do or just leave off.

Seems like everybody is getting under your skin today . You never know what you are talking about lol

alj harem:

lol, you make me laugh

it is because of democracy like this we igbos can not talk with one voice

i tell you, if u think it is democracy then think again,,, the western countries have a leader (the president, prime minister, queen etc) we igbo have non and u call that democracy,, all we have is elder is elders democracy

The western countries have a democracy. and you put president in the same category as prime minister lol.Do you even know what a prime minister is?

jason123:

'@ Poster

Why must Nigeriia operate under a democratic system? Is it because the white man told you it's the best way? Other groups have been operating under a different system, why not learn from them? or must they learn from you?

You don't make sense.Someone who was just complaining about not wanting military rule again is now complaining about democracy.What do you want thenlol

Kobojunkie:

Where do these average ibo’s you speak of live?HUH? Are you here speaking of the culture we all aware of?WHAT? :oWHAT THE FRELL? @Poster, are you being sarcastic? Is this like early april fool or something? Is the @Poster @Ezeuche and his gang come back with another name?

With all due respect kobo.If you do not know this about Igbo culture then you are pointless in this discussion.Go to Igbo gatherings/meetings anywhere or go to the East, what he discribed is the only way Igbos to things amongst each other. As a matter of fact google it.Go in encyclopedia.com or something.It's there and still in practice as of today.You really need to step your game up and stop giving pointless arguments.

The reason why an igbo styled democracy is not circulating in the nigerian government is because nigeria is not a democracy.

Kobojunkie:

You are really advocating that law enforcement in Nigeria take a break till after elections? You are advocating that the Government, to ensure itself a comeback, make no enemies until after elections? Does the constitution even allow this?

smh

Kobojunkie:

Why after elections? Why? I mean should the police also wait till after elections to arrest known criminals?

Because this is elections time and we all know that if he did it now it would before political reasons but if he does it after elections(if he wins presidency) they we know that he is serious about the war on corruption.

jason123:

@ ola edo, kettykin etc

You guys cannot compare a Military rule to a Civilian rule! Until GJ has arrested his fellow PDP members ( OBJ, IBB AND ATIKU) then he has no say!!! This would be viewed as injustice and I am sure OPC would take action! HABA!!!

I am totally against GJ having tinubu arrested because of some nonsense politics. Now if he arrests him after elections along with OBJ and Atiku then that is kudos.If GJ wants to play politics he should play it cleans since he claims to do things fairly.And as far as the OPC, they do not get into politics.

alj harem:

thank you

seant

i undersatand that tiunbu is viewed as your leader but he is a crook and can never be compared to awolowo or even jakande

during tiunbu era what did he do your your yoruba people not to talk of lagosain

he was even fighting with fashola the person that makes him look good

tinubu is really not good for the yoruba people, he has too many enemies and even in lagos he is not loved

even isale eko(real lagos of lagos) he is not loved there because of Ajose who rules that area does not llike him

Here we go again.Always worried about yoruba business.

Kobojunkie:

^^^ Elections COST MONEY

a) Just because the side you want to win ends up loosing does not mean the election was the problem
b) What deltans in particular are crying? The ones that went out in droves to vote for their candidate of choice or the ones that did not?
c) What evidence is there of these snatched ballot boxes that you claim were later on returned to INEC?

[size=15pt]
Protests in Ughelli as Jega stops polls[/size]


THERE were protests Thursday in Ughelli, headquarters of Ughelli North Local Government of Delta State, over the non conduct of the rerun poll.

Independent National Electoral Commission (INEC) chair Prof Attahiru Jega ordered the Electoral Officer in charge of the local government, Mr Collins Daramola, to stop distributions of materials to voting centres.

He said INEC would explain through a statement why the poll was stopped.

It was during his tour of the area.

Jega, who arrived in Ughelli in an helicopter about 2:22pm, was confronted by the protesters singing the praises of the Democratic Peoples Party (DPP) candidate, Chief Great Ovedje Ogboru.

They said the Peoples Democratic Party (PDP) hijacked  ballot boxes and disenfranchised them.

ln Orogun community, the candidate of the Republican Party of Nigeria (RPN), Obarisi Ovie Omo-Agege, who was accredited about 1.22pm complained over INEC’s ‘’shoddy preparation’’. He said the commission failed in getting materials to voting centres by 8am for accreditation.

Omo-Agege said he was told    that suspected PDP thugs snatched ballot boxes in some voting centres.

On security men deployed for the poll, he said he had no confidence in them, alleging that they were being used by PDP to perpetrate rigging. He added that the  outcome of the rerun will be a litmus test for INEC.

‘’ We entered this election believing that it was going to be one-man one-vote, but l tell you that what am seeing now is a differnt thing from what I anticipated and l hope Prof. Jega is watching and will at the end of the day make statement about it.  This is because the PDP candidate, Dr Emmanuel  Uduaghan knew his government is no longer popular. So, the only thing for him  to do  was to hijack ballot boxes”.

Some persons suspected to be members of the  PDP were said to have been arrested in Ughelli following an attempt to thumbprint snatched ballot papers.

http://thenationonlineng.net/web3/news/24017.html

fstranger6:

I dont want to go through that today

Google Tinubu and you will find you yourself.

That said, it is not GEJ's job to arrest him!

Deltan have been complaining about snatch ballot boxes.Also, JEGA had to ballot boxes that were snatched and found returned to the INEC office. If GJ was a well and fair president as he claims he is he would have hand the election annulled because of those acts alone.At least so that the citizens will have a sense of trust in their president,but instead, he let it end without any type of stoppage and went to congratulate Uduaghan because they are in the same party.