₦airaland Forum

abanna:
Hi,

d Church has a role plan not only spiritually but in EDUCATION. Education goes with discipline, morals,etc.
I will like 2 warn dt u mind d way u talk about churches n men of God 2 avoid God's wrath.
4 those who invade Churches in d name of CAREER ROBBERS have curse= DEATH as dr portion.No man steals in God's house n go free whether police catch them or not they must pay.
Again, them no dey write thief 4 face.CU admits students 2 study so if dy on dr own choose 2 steal n kill then , they must face d music.
I WISH THEM WEL IN HELL

Another example of "my God" mentality
So what happens to the pastors who steal in God's name and in "God's houses" daily?
A beg make I hear word jare

Actually the average Nigerian does not pay for electricity.
The average Nigerian does not pay for his/her bills
He/she thinks electricity should be free and should be part of his/her national cake share
We pay more for not having electricity
The average house-hold with a generator pays about N1,000 - N2,000 a week, running the generator

hotfunmi:
True, other women are Babangida, Abiola, Obasanjo, Abacha,Ibori,Alams, Tinubu,Omisore,Adedibu etc

Didn't the women in these men's lives encourage them to steal?
Hear no-evil, see no-evil wives
They were as guilty as their husbands!
They were the devils

ono:
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Mamajama:
what can IBB offer Nigerians that Adedibu can't. lol

Now to the topic
If the meeting was secret, how did we know what they discussed?
Should we condemn Bankole because he met with some people, even when we do not
know the reasons for the meeting?

His fate lies in his own hands
Does he want a job or a career?
If he needs a job he should go to the bank
For a career, then he should choose the engineering option.

I think it is an insult to think corruption is part of our culture
A very good excuse not to fight it totally
Our leaders carry too many baggages to fight this cancer
The war can be fought and won by "revolution" not by the rule of law or by our present constitution

Aren't there Jewish courts called Beth Din in the UK?.
So what's the difference?
Please educate me

Kobojunkie:
I am glad to know there are persons like you out there @Skyblue, not easily impressed by the normal things as many in that country seem to be.

That country?
I thought we are talking about Nigeria!

You are welcome Sky Blue
Still a great forum warts and all

almondjoy:
Of course! She is white!

Don't know whether to laugh or cry!
And please don't say " Please don't be annoyed."

Sky Blue:
i have resisted registering on this forum for so long because i don't want to be insulted, lol.

Insulted by who?
Every one has his/her opinion in a public forum, especially a Nigerian forum
We need to respect that, unless you are saying some of us are beneath you

Sky Blue:
Don't get me wrong, i am not necessarily anti Yardua, i just think this whole thing should be looked at as commendable on his character as a person not as a president.

Would you have preferred a bad person as a president?

You can install an auto call recorder and hide the icon from the user
This can't be done remotely though

And for cloning, it takes a minimum of 6 hours to clone the simplest sim. Even this depends on your pc speed.
Not all sims can be cloned. The algorithm is too difficult

stimulus:
And why Christianity in particular as measuring your idea of "hell"?

Is there a hell in other religions too?

I need answers to my first question from the experts!
Seriously

Did all our ancestors end up in "hell"?
Since they were not christians.
Where did they go?

@ poster
IITA (International Institute of Tropical Agriculture), Ibadan started cross-breeding (genetically modified?) cassava over five years ago to produce better yield
Is that one of the in-organic foods you are refering to?
I hope not

Please mention some of the in-organic foods available in Nigeria

The real gist of the allegations:
http://www.tellng.com/news/articles/071113-3/news/nation_saga.html

" In a petition to President Umaru Yar’Adua, dated August 9, 2007, Keyamo alleged that various sums of money collected by PEF had been misappropriated. The funds, he said, include N7.78 billion from the local government councils in the country, as well as banks, state governments, oil companies and government parastatals. The list of allegations also includes misappropriation of loans obtained from foreign sources, as well as trading on cars with motor companies like Elizade Motors, Glove Motors and Coscharis Motors. This, he said, was contrary to the PEF mandate which was only to source funds and hand over to the police-designated authorities after deducting an agreed percentage for running expenses. Martins is also required to account for the sale of tickets printed by Chisco Motors, expected to generate N250,000 daily.
The petitioner said an estimated 2,500 luxury vehicles were purchased from Coscharis Motors at an inflated cost of N13 billion. Some of these cars were alleged to be part of the ones used during the COJA games and not ideal as operational vehicles. A N50 million loan was said to have been obtained from First Inland Bank, Ikoyi, Lagos with a falsified form CO7, among others, prompting his call for an investigation into the activities of the foundation.
PEF is said to have derailed from its mandate by donating cars to other agencies of government like the Economic and Financial Crimes Commission, the Nigerian Army and the Nigerian Navy, among others, an act believed to be intended to compromise it. If indeed PEF is guilty of forgery and fraud, as alleged, would the security agencies be able to prosecute it?"

The allegations posted by the poster have been in the news for over 2 months
My post is the response of the PEF to those allegations.
I'll try fo find the link

The other side:

PEF denies misappropriating N50bn
By Mudiaga Affe
Published: Thursday, 7 Feb 2008
The Police Equipment Foundation Fund on Wednesday denied recent reports that it misappropriated N50bn that was claimed to have been raised by it.

Although the foundation did not mention the funds it had gathered since inception, it said that it had judiciously utilised the funds it raised.

At a press briefing in Lagos, the solicitor to PEF, Dr. Olatunji Abayomi, said that the foundation did not and had not sustained the loss of any N50bn, but that funds raised by the foundation were used to purchase vehicles for security agencies.

He also denied insinuations that vehicles were bought for any president of the country, either past or present.

He said, “No BMW vehicle was attempted to be donated or donated to any president, past or present or their organisations by whatever name called. Neither did the Fund purchase used-vehicles from any seller.”

According to him, the use of money cannot be termed losses as it was contributed by individuals and government agencies for specific purposes and utilised as appropriated.

Abayomi, who was specifically responding to allegations raised by a Lagos lawyer, Mr. Festus Keyamo, also denied the purchase of two helicopters by the Fund.

He noted that a Ukraine firm already had two helicopters in the country earmarked for sale, adding that the foundation wanted to explore the opportunity to purchase them for the Nigerian Police Force.

He also denied claims that the helicopters were bought for the Federal Government or the police, adding that no money was paid to purchase it.

“No Ukraine helicopters were ever purchased by the Fund or returned after payment,” he said.

Abayomi added that PEF never at any time received grants from the Federal Ministry of Finance and Exim Bank.

When asked if the change of name from Presidential Committee on Police Equipment Funds to Police Equipment Foundation was not an attempt to personalise and siphon public funds by some group of persons, Abayomi explained that the PCPEF was a public-private body that lived while it was possible and was never a government idea.

http://www.punchontheweb.com/Articl.aspx?theartic=Art2008020623514612

Who is telling the truth?

@poster
You need to come home to acclimatise and do some fact-finding for 3-6 months
You do not want to do these things by proxy

@ McKren
I think we should think more of the Message instead of the Messenger

Kobojunkie:
What in the world do you mean by that?? I said quality does not count much in Nigeria. Just saying it does not mean it is the situation in that country. I mean from watching the trend in that country, any person who is realistic will see that quality does not count for much in that country. From government to the average Nigerian, people do not place much care on making sure that it is all quality goods that are offered them and that is why the markets are filled with fake goods and what nots. If Quality really did count, from the floor up, the markets would have to respond with quality goods and nothing more knowing the people would not accept anything less. Same would apply to government in that country, the goons we have had in office in the past and the present would know that they can not get away with making empty promises and not having anything to show or concrete to give the people at any point in time.

I am not just saying it.
I live it. I do not watch from afar
I do not know how much you know about the Nigerian trend to sweepingly conclude that quality does not count in Nigeria?

We all despise the manner which our great image is being dragged on the floor, and our goal should be focusing on fighting this demons together.
FYI: Nigerian businesses all over the world are severely suffering while decent jobs are very difficult to get lately; all because of the greedy unGodly pigs.

Big B1:
No need to frustrate each other, it is clear that we are not the enemies; the 419ers are the demons, and we must continue to frustrate these pigs and send them messages that enough is just enough!

Well said!
Enough of this tribal supremacy war
We are all Nigerians!
It is a Nigerian problem.
What are you doing to stop these morons?

I think thats what we should be discussing here

earthrealm:
geek talk,

u bambozzelled the poor fella

Me or sting?

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away4real:
You want too know why people focus on govt contracts because Govt is the main driver of the economy. I share your sentiments on SME's that don't depend on govt but again wats the proportion, its less than 20% of the income generating units.

Let the govt delay release of votes for 2-3 weeks and see the impact on the economy, then u will understand why.

I am not of the view that the private sector is ethnically driven but the fact that tribe remains a factor in Nigeria shouldnt be wished away it is real and affecting the national development until we tackle it headson we will continue to have substandard leadership and skewed economic growth.

The budget for 2008 has just been passed and the economy hasn't collapsed
The people who really drive our intenal economy (I hope there is something like that) are the SMEs
They employ more than 80-85% of the employables or the people who are ready to work
As for the budget, the government officials steal over 80% of it anyway
But this is not my focus

For your second point, I agree with you that tribe/ethnicity is still a major factor.
But my question is, should the private sector of the economy be ethnically driven?
Shouldn't it be more ethical than ethnical?

You can clone the old disk to the new disk, by using Norton Ghost or Acronis True Image
These are large programs
If you do not know what to do, take it to somebody who can.
If you live in Lagos, take it to the Computer village
It is not a big problem

Kobojunkie:
If that was the case, Nigeria would not be where it is today.

Looks like whatever we say or do, your mind is already made up
Give us some credit
I insist that quality still counts even in Nigeria!

nuzo:
In most cases it does exist in private sector, otherwise the company stands not being favoured by the FG or the Nigerian people with contracts, patronization and other benefits. Find out from Adenuga, Dangote and most of these banks.

There are 1001 other companies who do not depend on government contracts
These are the companies that drive the economy to a large extent and these are my main focus

nuzo:
Don't be too fast. We all know that a certain tribe gets the mega contracts and other favours without meriting it the most times.

Why do we always focus on government contracts?
Like I wrote above, there are many more services provided by small to medium companies.
In most cases, these companies do not even care about government contracts
What they need mostly is an enabling environment
Do they get it? This is for another discussion
So if you run your own company here, would you employ/trust only people from your tribe even when they are not qualified?

nuzo:
Well, to be fair to you, it only counts to a few in Nigeria. But majority takes the vote, so it doesn't count.
80% of the goods we use in Nigeria ranging from clothing, food, to other materials are imported, 75% of the goods are substandard and Nigerians are okay with it.
Most of the work or contracts executed in Nigeria, either by private or the public sectors are substandard. Otherwise how do you explain houses and bridges worth billions of naira collapsing almost on weekly bases?
Should i talk about health and drugs, telecoms, media, leadership, management etc?

Thank you for agreeing with me that quality counts!, sometimes, according to you!
We can always improve

But you generalise and exagerate when you say most work done in Nigeria and goods produced in Nigeria are sub-standard.
Buildings or bridges do not collapse on a weekly basis in Nigeria

There are some poor jobs done, no doubt
There some poor products manufactured/imported. I agree
Should we blame these on tribes? NO

The environment is becoming very competitive and knowledgeable
Sooner or later, if you produce/sell substandard goods/services you will be left behind, whatever tribe you belong.

If goods and services are of good quality, Nigerians dont care who made them or who is offering
the services.

For leadership?
That one na another tori

ono:
I once said in one of my entries that when we're dealing with the delta issue, we should be pragmatic in our reasonings.

If we have been producing oil in the country fro the past 50 years at an average rate of 2 million barrels/day, that means we've produced some 2million*365*50 barrels of crude oil. And if the price of the barrel of crude is averaged at 40 dollars per barrel over this period, the Nigeria have realised:

2million*365*50*40 dollars in the past 50 years. That's some staggering: ~ 2 trillion dollars!

Now, how much of this can we say was ploughed back into the Niger Delta over the past 50 years?

And why won't I be passionate about these things? Who will be in my shoes and not be passionate about the issues affecting his place? I bet if you're in my shoes, you will be at the rooftop shouting away at the injustice meted to your people.

Like you wrote, we should be pragmatic in our reasonings
We should also lay down the facts as they are
A barrel of oil wouldnt have been $40, 50/40/30 years ago!
So also we were not producing 2mb/day in 1958/1968/1978

This type of statistics does not help our arguments.

My question really, is: what have our leaders done with all the monies allocated to Niger Delta in all these years
We should start asking questions, instead of buck passing

@ nuzo
Federal Character exists in the public sector
It does not exist in the private sector or does it?

nuzo:
Depends on which tribe you belong to.

How do you mean?

nuzo:
Quality is actually one of the most hated words in the country.

I think you are wrong there
Quality still counts even in Nigeria

Some very good, some not so good
Just want to share

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He has not been left off-the-hook!
The same case is in another court
This one has to be withdrawn to avoid double jeopardy
as they say in law