₦airaland Forum

MtuMsuper:
What a load of bull!! FYI Ethiopia was the first nation on earth after the Roman Empire to declare Christianity as its official religion. Menelik I, google him and learn more. Yorubaland and Ethiopia have no longstanding historical links, where did you get the fallacious claim about them revealing the falashas! And then i thought i had seen and heard it all! That's real history for you there and please don't troll this thread any further, Jeezuz!

YOU ARE A CLOWN... Do you know what the ancient map of Ethiopia was? So, you imagine, the ancient Ethiopia is the current Ethiopia? You are not on the same page with me.... Go and study world history and find out the proper mapping of ancient Ethiopia..Least I forget locate the place where their king sits.

AreaFada2:
So in your micro-cephalic brain, a UK trained former diplomat is an illiterate while the product of cramming, pamphlet buying, cultist den & lecturer settling (aka failed education system) like you is a scholar. Clap for yourself. That alone shows that your attempt at intellectualism, quoting various mushroom publications, is an exercise in futility. Without merit whatsoever.

In your mind, your most powerful Kingdom (Oyo) will just as a matter of picnic come to Otun in Ekiti to plant trees & demarcate territory. Hahaaha! It shows you only go round quoting mostly ethno-centric books that pander to your ego.

Benin can never want anything from Yoruba land. We made that clear by democratically leaving South West barely 3 years after independence. Because we always knew that the contraption called Nigeria was, is and remains a massive aberration. That is why we never deliberately signed any treaty to cede power to the British or anybody. The proof of the pudding is in the eating. Water will gradually find its level.

The war the Ijebus fought, important to them for sure and a rare thing, it was of little consequence to the amalgamation of Nigeria.

To the point that even your kinsman Ola Rotimi spurned it and wrote about Ononramwen N'ogbaisi instead. A mere footnote in history is Ijebu fight.

We do not even need to attach to former slave diaspora for attention. We never sold ourselves into slavery.

So you really believe Ogedengbe if truly in a position of strength will just be persuaded by begging to attack Benin. Oh boy, your hero Ogedengbe simply chickened out like the cowards that abound in your area when realised the herculean task ahead of him. Forget that thing. Pure bobos.

Nothing you can about The Great Benin Empire. It is part of extra-ordinary human heritage and intelligence in governance, warfare, arts, culture, civilisation, organisation and more thought impossible for a black man.

As for our women, in life it is good to know your worth. We already did centuries ago by selling no slaves. If a woman must ply the oldest profession on earth, I hundred times prefer a woman hawking her wares for hard currency in international league than for a plate of Amala & ewedu bought by for her by an agbero. If you must eat frog, eat a fat one with plenty of meat. Even the most successful Nigerian footballers sold their kills in the foreign leagues: Okocha, Kanu, Obafemi Martins, Mikael, Peter Odemwingie, late Keshi & Yekini, etc.

Back in local league, the Benin chic called Itohan (with hustle names Wuraola & Zainab) still got your most eligible monarch, Ooni of Ife as hubby. So whatever our women have seem quite in demand. Therefore the joke is on you.

That Benin was betrayed by the relatives of Afonja, mostly likely behind the back of the Benin Prince that is Olu of Warri, should not surprise anyone. After all they routinely betray themselves.

Next time the BBC or any other foreign channel is extolling the glorious feats of ancient Benin Empire, you can smash your TV, your gen or set the your house ablaze in fit of jealous rage. If it's a local TV station rush to their studio in anger, randomly pick out any number of them and start biting their nyansh.

But at the end the antics of an inconsequential tribalist will remain a mere comic relief.

You need not be angered over the truth but it a pill that everyone must swallow. The British Empire destroyed so many things by usurping position to people who doesn't belong to that class. The people who wrote about different empire and kingdoms knew to a large extent the kingdoms and Empires. Bini was a kingdom and not a Empire.
An Edo indigene tried to distort history but truth can't be short change.
Egharevba wrote about Edo Kingdom and the Oba Bini's relationship with Ooni of ILE IFE despite the fact that some of you want to distort history. The man is adjudged as one of the greatest researchers on Edo history.

Especially issues on kingdoms. Even as far back as the 1930s. Standard book had been written as a guide to follow. Take for instance
Bradbury R.E. wrote about the Benin
Kingdom and the Edo speaking peoples of south western Nigeria, London 1957, P. 19).
Above is an example of book written about Bini Kingdom. Where do you genuinely get your information?
You even blundered again, the wife of Ooni isn't from Bini but immigrant to Bini. Go and clarify before assertion about her history and her great-grandparents. I came across a lot of Binis that claim Majek Fashek as a Binian but is he not a Yoruba man? All Majek's life was nearly in Bini.
Bini is a kingdom but not as a Empire like OYO. There were account of Yoruba development in 13th century by IBN BATTÛTA, a Malian, Another Malian Scholar Ahmed Baba wrote about Yoruba in 16th century, then in 18th century, Sultan Of Sokoto read out what he saw in their Tariq/ a form history which can explain people's identity people. This history is clear as Crystal.

MtuMsuper:
Alternative facts, strawman arguments / foul language / condescension..... that's you in a nutshell. Ps. The first African Bishop was not a Nigerian. Ethiopia has a history of more than 1700 years of Christianity and a longer one of Judaism before that, so therefore there have been plenty of Ethiopian (as well as other mostly orthodox Christian Bishops in North Africa such as Egypt, meroe, Maghreb ) bishops. And get out of the fallacy that knowledge only emanates from the west. Slave!

come off it again. And stop referring to Coptic Christians. The people that didn't have access to the complete Bible... 1700 years indeed. A Yoruba Jew man was the reason FALASA Jews were known today.... Get your facts right. I inform based on the authentic information and not walloping in ancient distorted history.

MtuMsuper:
Yorubas are africans. It stands to reason that the language they speak is an African one. Is it a Polynesian language?

Oh! I didn't see it clearly the message sent. I had thought you were emphasising Yoruba language as a Polynesian language. I didn't realise you were asking me if it is a Polynesian language.

MtuMsuper:
Do they teach you guys sarcasm 101 in the syllabus? From what grade?

Lol..I guess you know little about people who are living in Africa....

MtuMsuper:
This is too embarrassing for me to engage in i.e try and exchange words. with you.. somebody's got to do it anyway.
Let this argument rest by saying this : pidgin and other creolized languages are very useful tongues which should be used in communication but cannot be the mates of developed and recognized ones. When pidgin secedes from English as Afrikaans did from Dutch /French /German , we might have something to discuss. Until then it remains confined to its west African homeland and is not a recognized language with its own code. We in East Africa have our own "pidgin " and its called Kiswahili(Swahili is an adjective ), a recognized language . Also, we shouldn't do things in a bandwagon mindset, rather we do them because its convenient or moral to do so.

We need not argue about it but truthfully pidgin spoken English is already a business languages in West Africa. On the development of it, is another thing entirely. And if you know the origin of the language itself, you will appreciate it.

MtuMsuper:
Yorubas are africans. It stands to reason that the language they speak is an African one. Is it a Polynesian language?

Then why is it grouped as a Niger Congo/kwa language? The reason for this compelling problem is that Yoruba language has a lot of ancient Egyptians words in her language between 30%-45% . Kindly clarify the Polynesian Part you meant.

MtuMsuper:
I must be the kenyan mugu/dimwit you must be referring to. Reporting for duty sir!

Afrikaans is a west Germanic language whose closest cousin is Dutch. Most Dutch people i know have very amusing things to say about it, and all of them can't get it at all.
One can get an advanced degree in a South African uni using Afrikaans as tge
I must be the kenyan mugu/dimwit you must be referring to. Reporting for duty sir!

Afrikaans is a west Germanic language whose closest cousin is Dutch. Most Dutch people i know have very amusing things to say about it, and all of them can't get it at all. They think it's like some medieval tongue with frightening similarities to theirs, and whose speakers have names like theirs.
One can get an advanced degree in a South African uni using Afrikaans as the medium of instruction. It's got a very large corpus of published works and in all media formats. It's one of the 11 official language of South Africa . We also happen to know how black south africans feel about it esp considering its association with apartheid, but that's not the point here. The point is that it's a developed language. As is our "backwater " kiswahili. Pidgin is not it's mate, it's just common speech in your side of Africa.

If BBC considered the usage of such in their forthcoming service to be introduced soon, then you need to think twice before you churn out info. And on Afrikaan's language, is quite different because going through population stat on the people who spoke the Afrikaans need be a sort of concern to you because Afrikaan language does not go beyond part of southern Africa. And compare the population of over 180 millions Nigerians, Ghana's 30million+ and other West Africa Anglophone countries. Even Francophone of West Africa speak it. Now, let me hit you with a mind blowing fact again. THE CHINESE SPEAKS IT TOO. IT IS CALLED CHINESE ENGLISH. if you sum up all these population, then you need join the band wagon. It is imperative to inform you that this doesn't stop you from communicating properly in spoken English language when you come in contact with a good speaker. QED

O0ni:
10000+

They are dying to get some type of attention. Especially their throne, it wants attenrion so bad. Does schism from western region come to mind? When their king and the people wanted a separate region ovee attention their king didn't get at a gathering?

Sadly, there's not much on their side of the divide that lends credence to their claim of being an old kingdom and Ogiso story hence, no tourism.

If you follow the pattern of Bini history in academia, it began with their contact with Yoruba (Oranmiyan) and then study of Bini in the Arts started with contact with Yoruba and much of their military history revolved around their child's play in eastern flanks of Yoruba land.

Their history did not begin until contact with Yoruba.

Yes, you are right! They even try to subdue the Ogiamien's lineage because it buttress the point that Yoruba stood on as Oranmiyan had no alliance with them genealogically until he was sent there. But they turned around in the 20th century to claim Odua. Little did they know that Odua wasn't even the man's name but where they came from originally. A man who came with thousands of people from Egypt of the same tribes. If not, how come Yoruba have not less than 35% or more Egyptians language incorporated into their language as well as Israelites language? Do Bini have any Egyptians language or Israelites language in theirs? Do Bini even know how Yoruba lineage of Adimuela was buried in the ancient before Oranmiyan came into contact with EDO?, Millions of people are related to Odua and blood don't lies. In the whole of Africa, Yoruba religion is different. IFA, was thought to them, likewise so many Yoruba intermediaries deities. Let them continue and wallow in lies. There is even a sculpture of Yoruba tribal marked person in Bini court that is in the London museum. The British historians and archaeologists will keep laughing at them constantly because of these mind blowing distortion of history..

Nateben:
What's really funny to me is, in all these courses, you've failed to make any points, like.......

What exactly did I comment, to make you loose your sense of reason?
Is it just "I'll comment later" or is something else really bothering you?
Like seriously, I want to know, because this one really pass me.
You have a lot of issues, and I'm sorry I can't help, unless you voice it out, God knows I'm not trying to belittle you in anyway, but, it's obvious something is wrong, because I can't believe that by commenting "I'll comment later" is the reason you are acting up.
For what it's worth, I wish I could withdraw that comment, and make you have a nice day.

I do admire your style of chosen words in your response young man to the OP. And if am a seer, then you are Ibo and cultured. I am quite impressed. Pardon me if I over exalted your personality because you are unique. You don't need to keep quoting the OP even if he continues to dish out at you because something isn't right about his thread. I pray and hope you won't loose your cool. Have a wonderful day.

gallivant:
Do I really need prove Yoruba is African? Ask me about Pidgin!

come off it bro,if you love pidgin then be sincere about it. Have you by any chance come across book written in English language in 14th/15th/16th centuries? You will be shocked beyond your bone marrow. What am trying to emphasis here is that Pidgin English isn't a bad idea after all. Nigeria opened your eyes to Written books and precisely spoken English in a different ways for easy communication for all Africans. You all need praise and give thanks to Nigerians for the effort in bringing knowledge to Africa. Do you have knowledge of the first African Bishop?, He was the man that did the first translation of English language to his local language in the whole of Africa. So therefore doff your hat for exposing all of you to Western/White man's knowledge...... Pidgin is indisputable a way to communicate for the semiskilled/ half baked educated Africans

buchibrand:
Now let me tell you what a Member of The National assembly said last week on a Live Television Interview.

"Where are the politicians coming out from, the society of course"

"We are the reflection of the larger society"

"We vote out the Right people (honest, sincere patriotic) and vote in the wrong people (wicked, evil, looters)".
Those were his words which clearly indicates that We as a people don't actually know what we really want. The right persons goes into the state or national assembly to ensure that the money meant for the development of nigeria is used for the same purpose, but because these sets of people may not afford to afford "stomach infrastructure", sharing of okada and other bait they use on us. We end up tagging them Not Performing, Not Doing anything for us...and they vote them out and vote-in those who will steal 100M and give/share them 1M out of it.

Even people that can work won't get the opportunity to do so because they will be shortchanged. Well, I do like politics but as it is now. It is a no no area for now until the coast is clear because these people will go extra mile to even kill their family members because of positions. This is the demonic aspect of their hearts. Only the strong and willing can stand “these terrorists with no guns"

gallivant:
Swahili, Yoruba, Zulu etc are authentic African languages. Pidgin, Creole, Afrikaans are not. It's really very simple if you possessed a cognitive capability.

There are about three thousand African languagesans I don't know much about others but a little bout Yoruba I know. And the language isnt as old as Swahili. Do you have proof of Yoruba as an indigenous African language?

Muafrika2:
You are comparing things that are not related.

Having more subscription is not automatically more profit.

And a person's net worth is not the same as the worth of assets of one of the companies he owns.

A company is a different entity, a different person from the shareholders, CEOs etc. A CEO is an employee of the company.

C. E. O is a different entity on its as the company but when a company employs a chief executive officer, it always amongst shareholders or better still recommendation from the board of directors. This rarely happens though if one of the board of directors isn't picked to occupy the position of C.E.O. Most institutions that owns shares in company represent the interest of some people/individuals because institutions are set for profit and customers satisfaction. There are active and dormant partners in businesses. In Accounting term; Capital+liabilities=Asset of a company. Economic term that say, when there is a demand of a certain scarce commodity @ given price with more hands chasing after the same commodity, then such business maximises profit. Such is the simplest case of your argument. The more you have more subscribers, the more your profit. This is unquestionable theory of the sole reason for business set up. Any company that doesn't turn her subscribers to profit as this case may be will definitely hit the rock. This is only a simple law of demand and supply. When there isn't any alternative to a product in the market then the owner of such company become a monopoly via government policies and therefore, such company can even make ten fold gain or even more. This is perhaps the advantage of safaricom over others in Kenya if others exists. It is easy to understand if you know the rudiments of business and government policies.

9jakool:
Olu- Lord or Owner
Okun- Ocean or Sea
Hence Olokun means Owner/Lord of the Sea

In regards to your claim of Yorubaland being landlocked, go take this interesting theory to the Ilaje, Ijebu, Awori, Anago or Ohori people.
Lagos State was not a desolate, uninhabitable place before the Benin rulers came. Just because the Benin Empire ruled Lagos does not mean that the people's identity changed. Similarly, just because the British ruled Nigeria, does not make Nigerians British. The Awori, Egba, Ijebu, and the distinct Egun/Ogu were the original inhabitants. The Egba in Otta, Awori in the center, Ijebu in the East, and Ogu/Egun in Badagry. Edo and Yoruba people have a historical relationship, so there is no need for divisive tribalism.

ASHIPA,that was even claimed to be a BINI Prince is doubtful. Such name didn't exist within the context of Bini names. And After King Ado, Gabbaro, Akinsemoyin, Then next was eletu Kekere , and Ologun kutere whose father was Yoruba man of Ilesha/Ijesha referred to Alaagba who married King Akinsemoyin's sister.

Ologun Kutere
Oba of Lagos
Reign c. 1780 - 1806
Predecessor Eletu Kekere
Successor Adele Ajosun
Born Ologun Kutere
Lagos
Died c. 1803
Lagos
Burial Benin
Issue Eshinlokun , Adele Ajosun , Akiolu, Olukoya, Olusi and Akitoye .
House Ado, Ologun Kutere
Father Alaagba
Mother Erelu Kuti



Facts don't lie.
Yoruba lineage is the lineage of king of lagos

O0ni:
Loooooooooool @ the emboldened.

You are one funny person yo! Really though, the story the Opal guy posted and the ones you posted goes to show Olokun worship lacks a strong role and system of worship in Bini. It does not seem like he deity is woven into the foundational system of Bini kingdom.

Bini are desperate to earn money via tourism and they don't know how to go about it. But instead they try to twist history just to suit themselves. Little do they know, that there were record as far back as the beginning of Egypt's/Misrah's civilisations. There are account of people and events even before 3000BC with archaeological evidence. It's only unlettered that fall flat to their gimmick. They have nothing concrete to write about yet they boast foolishly.

O0ni:
Similar problem cts across all of una, inability to read or to deconstruct and understand what you read.

Here: who tired of their kings and invited Oranmiyan, the son of the "Oghene" of Ife to come and rule them, which he did, ... to govern Benin in a Portuguese letter of 1517 may well refer to members of these associations,31 while the Osodin and ...

In History in Africa, Volume 15, African Studies Association., 1988 - Africa


Here: In i486, the Portuguese sent Joao Afonso Aveiro to explore further the five "slave rivers" of the ... a king in the East, the oghene, who concealed himself behind silk curtains and apparently held ...

In The Slave Trade: The Story of the Atlantic Slave Trade: 1440-1870
By Hugh Thomas

Here: The only other contemporary success story for Christianity had been in Portugal itself where the Portuguese had succeeded in ... He talked about the Oghene ( Ooni), the priest-king of Uhe, to whom the Oba of Benin owed ancestral fealty.

In Thisweek, Volume 7, 1987.


Here: The name of the first Oba of the second period is well-known, but the story surrounding his ascension to the throne is interlaced with events that underscore the Edo-Ife (Yoruba) relationship, and this has gone on for several centuries. It can be safely assumed, however, that Ife which the Edos call Uhe existed before the Edo and Oyo empires. Uhe has retained its constitutional and spiritual importance for the Yoruba

http://www.raceandhistory.com/historicalviews/edoofbenin.htm

Also see "A History of the Yoruba People" by Stephen Adebanji Akintoye.

In this work, a detailed relationship of Uhe & Benin was constructed showing Bini throne as a subordinate to Uhe throne - in the references portuguese document/archive was referenced.




There was no ranking until Benin had subjugated the entire northern & southern regions and this did not happen until early 20th century.



Then you'll have Republic of Ogiso abi? I hopeit happens, we will be waiting for you lot to reach to us for help as usual.



Lol another excuse. Were the Egba, Ijebu and Lagos punished too then?



I cited examples of Oba of Lagos & Oloto/Idejo, I cited Amapetu & Olugbo. Did you ever read on how Olu of Warri was played against Oba Bini resulting in the defeat of Bini army & capture & sales of their soldiers into slavery? The Europeans gave recognition to whom they met first, Ooni was seated far off in the forests but they kept heaing of him everywhere.

Alaafin being rated first before Ooni was because the Europeans assumed Alaafin was the head of all Yoruba from the many treaties signed with them especially during and after the wars. They did not come into contact with Ooni until later, Leo Fobrenius's findings shocked the entire Europe and Britain made sure they put all the excavations in their corner rather than it going to Germany. This opened the eyes of Europe to the King they have heard so much about from different accounts.



Kingship in Ife/Yoruba solely revolves around Ifa & Orisa divination. Hence age, wealth, connection matters not.

Nonetheless, in Yoruba land a king recognizes and respects his elders as they respect him. Oranmiyan may have been King in 3 different places but he knew to give his older brothers respect. All the kings fall in line when Orangun Ile-Ila is around.



I see you are trying to hype your tiny Bini kingdom. As I said before, you people twist history just to write your own history.

The same Oyo that banned slave trade which Owu flouted and led to the complete demolition of Owu till today?

You should point fingers at Ijebu and Badagry people for the supply of people to the slavers.




Of what relevance is this?

If your small kingdom was subjected to slave supplies you lot would be extinct by now. How many una be?

Besides, y'all have ashewo and axemen in diaspora now

The matter of slave supply and slave trade is another matter entirely.



What does Ododuwa/Izoduduwa mean in Benin?

What does Omonoyan mean in Benin?

With these meanings we can then decipher what is what.

Oyo planting tree with Bini does not signify equality or anything at that. Otun Ekiti history stated there was no war between both parties on their land but rather the tree was planted to demarcate each person's area of influence - Benin in Otun was solely trade not war nor conquest. Otun itself was a market town/trade post so what are you on about here?

Oyo raising its army from all the towns in Togo, Dahomey and all Yoruba towns in Nigeria will overrun Bini quicker than anything else. The safety Bini enjoyed was the Oranmiyan's influence which Yoruba took serious and a perspective they continue to see from, foolishly.

Ogedengbe was going to sack Bini but your king begged him not to and this is not mention a larger and well organized Oyo army.

It pains me that Oyo or at least Ogedengbe did not ravage your tiny kingdom but at least Itsekiri did and sold alot of you into slavery




You are the one who needs to read. Outside of Bini's relations with Europeans, her minor military skirmishes here and then, the only other thing relevant that draws Bini to light is her art and maybe monarchy both gotten from Ife/Yoruba.


Addendum: Stop calling that Kingdom an Empire.

See:

And this is supposed to be an empire?



In you people's hatred for Yoruba and OCD to equate yourselves with the Yoruba you try to downplay or twist Yoruba history. Can you see how Oyo, a massive kingdom that spanned across 3 West African countries and became a regional power that showed in the 15th century European map was referred to as a Kingdom but Benin that occupied sparse territories was referred to as an Empire? Bini wey nor reach Ago-Oja (present Oyo) in size yet it is an empire.

You people will only try, throw fits, froth in all the orifices in your body but your tiny kingdom will never attain the history, relevance, humanistic contribution and status of Ife/Yoruba and her kings.

You can try again, I dey wait you and your illiterate Oba bini foot-soldiers.

GREAT WORK DONE HERE. GOD BLESS YOU MORE.

BornStunner1:
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LOL JUST LOOK AT THIS KID!!...... INCASE YOU DIDNT GET THE MEMO LET ME REPOST!!!

If we go by your silly propestrious and false analysis it clearly goes to show the GREAT BENIN verson of Oduduwa is TRUE!!...... unlike Yorubas [s]yaaribas dat have milions of version of one story hahahahaha

Go and sleep you grandkids of OGISO OWODO!! angry You are babies compared to Us!!

IN FACT, JOAO AFONSO DE AVERO WROTE ABOUT THE TRUE NATURE OF HOW BINI REVERENCE ILE IFE IN HIS ACCOUNT IN FIFTEENTH CENTURY WHEN HE CAME IN CONTACT WITH BINI. HE WASN'T A NIGERIAN BUT PORTUGUESE... BRING OUT THE WHITE'S ACCOUNT, THEN BRING OUT YOUR EGHEVRAH OR WHAT THE CORRECT SPELLING HIS NAME BORE. YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TANGIBLE TO OFFER. MIND YOU A LOT OF SURFERS CHECK OUT POSTS SO YOU NEED WAKE UP TO REALITY. SMILE ALL THE WAY BECAUSE YOU REMAIN AN OBA SUBJECT AND NOT OGISO.
EDO ON THE MARCH AGAIN...... DO YOU KNOW YOU HAVE LINK WITH EBIRA? LEAST I FORGET AND NRI TOO. IBOS ARE COMING FOR YOU.....

O0ni:
Loooooooooool @ the emboldened.

You are one funny person yo! Really though, the story the Opal guy posted and the ones you posted goes to show Olokun worship lacks a strong role and system of worship in Bini. It does not seem like he deity is woven into the foundational system of Bini kingdom.

It is really an insult on my Ethnicity that the people Yoruba subdued morally and spiritually. People that their fate was changed from the beginning of Oranmiyan's contact with them, starting with change of their name to ILE IBINU/BINU/BINI and means used to Address the ruler From that moment. people that have been chained to adhere to Yoruba knowledge and clothing etc . Here we are, some babes in boys skin churning out trash. Let them go to South and North America and see where the Babalawos and worshippers refers to?, They even have link with Ebira and NRI Kingdom. EVERYTHING THEY KNOW ABOUT OBA(KINGSHIP) AS WELL AS IFA and many other gods WERE THOUGHT TO THEM(EDO) BY YORUBA RACE( they want to have a bit of tourists and tourism which God gave them their palace to be used are now looking for evil means to discredit Yoruba ancient pantheon). Yoruba culture that stand unequalled in the whole of AFRICA. I have told some of them, which was the reason, they ran away when I wrote of YORUBA ELEDUMARE (GOD)/ when the Almighty God was speaking in one ODU IFA AND IT'S ONLY THE GOD OF YORUBA THAT SPOKE BOASTFULLY ABOUT LIVING FOREVER AND ALSO HAVING AN ADULT AGELESS DESCRIPTION WITH GRAY HAIRS COMPARABLE ONLY TO GOD OF ISRAEL..

O0ni:
Loooooooooool @ the emboldened.

You are one funny person yo! Really though, the story the Opal guy posted and the ones you posted goes to show Olokun worship lacks a strong role and system of worship in Bini. It does not seem like he deity is woven into the foundational system of Bini kingdom.

It is really an insult on my Ethnicity that we subdue morally and spiritually. Here we are, some babes in boys skin churning out trash. Let them go to South and North America and see where the Babalawos refers to? From the beginning of Oranmiyan, their history was linked to Yoruba land. Even the Edo are linked to Ebira and NRI Kingdom. EVERYTHING THEY KNOW ABOUT OBA(KINGSHIP) AS WELL AS IFA WERE THOUGHT TO THEM(EDO) BY YORUBA RACE. Yoruba culture stand unequalled in the whole of AFRICA. I have told some of them, which was the reason, they ran away when I wrote of YORUBA ELEDUMARE (GOD)/ when the Almighty God was speaking in one ODU IFA AND IT'S ONLY THAT YORUBA GOD SPOKE BOASTFULLY ABOUT LIVING FOREVER AND ALSO HAVING AN ADULT AGELESS DESCRIPTION WITH GRAY HAIRS COMPARABLE ONLY TO GOD OF ISRAEL..

BornStunner1:
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TRASH!!

I just left for a day and i see some E- rats are running Amook again Awolowo ratak is still handy.

If we go by your silly propestrious and false analysis it clearly goes to show the GREAT BENIN verson of Oduduwa is TRUE!!...... unlike Yorubas yaaribas dat have milions of version of one story hahahahaha

Go and sleep you grandkids of OGISO OWODO!! You are babies compared to Us!!

YES I WAS EXPECTING YOUR LIKES. THE FUNNIEST THING IS THAT YOUR PEOPLE WROTE IT AND IT IS ACCESSIBLE FOR YOU ALL TO READ . GOOGLE IT OTEDO.COM AND REPORT WHAT YOU SEE THERE. LIES UPON LIES YOU CHURN OUT WILL CONSUME YOUR IGNORANCE. EVEN IFA THAT HAS MORE THAN 10,000,000 FOLLOWERS ALSO CAME OUT FROM IGODOMOGODO. NO WONDER, YOU ARE DEPOPULATED. LESS THAN 3000,000 PEOPLE. I CAN'T STOP LAUGHING AT SOME PEOPLE'S MISFORTUNE BECAUSE OF WELL FED FAT LIES TO THE WORLD....

lx3as:
Reading books alone cannot solve Yoruba origin problem. The religion, etc of the Authors of these Books influenced most of their write ups. I believe in archaeological researches, looking inward to our culture, tradition and Ifa. Most of us are just lazy to do research into issues. I've been carrying out researches. I'm not from ife but I've been able to locate my fore father place in Ife through oral tradition, etc. The people were amazed, he was a prince of several generation past. Today, my grandmothers, great grandmothers, both maternal and paternal were all princesses even regents from different Yoruba kingdoms. I'm interested in knowing the origin of 'undying' Yoruba people and their culture not yours and your books on civilizations.

Thank you for your wonderful self inquisitiveness on your identity but be rest assured that person you quoted @olachi isn't ready to do anything but to antagonise or condemn. However,researchers of western world have done so much for us and we as Yoruba only need to work alongside with them. If you check out my post, you will see some unbelievable but TRUTH about Yoruba ancestors, whom had Semitic background. Oriki( Eulogy/family tree/genealogical record ) is synonymous to Levant and all Abrahamic religion. This cannot be without having knowledge of Canaan. The Yoruba groups migrated through Egypt,Ethiopia,Sudan, Niger,Borno etc to Nupe(Nok people) kingdom and finally stopped at the place called ILE IFE. The account of Advanced technology of glass beads manufacturing and textiles production,iron smelting which were exported long before 13th century showed the difference between Yoruba and the local people of Nok Empire , The account of Yoruba existence written by IBN BATTÛTA, a Malian historians wrote about these things like Blue - green segi beads from ILE IFE which were all over Mali, Sudan, Mauritania,Ashanti in his travelling account in 1325-1354 in Mali.. Yoruba migrated to ILE IFE in large population in nearly two waves, from the patterns of things at ILE IFE. The Obatala waves and Odua waves. The two of them were both spiritual but Odua had an edge somewhere along the line. Before Arrival at ILE IFE, it was practically impossible for Yoruba to use more than 30% of Egyptians words without having the knowledge of Egypt. But the method of worshipping God or gods differ. This was due to the use of Ram, sheep hippopotamus,Haifa,elephants as sacrifices which is against the gods of Egypt because ram was sacred to Egyptians traditions. And they are not killed for sacrificing. The first flight from Canaan was when the prophet Ezra prophesied about destruction of Israel. The people of Canaan lived in Yemen(QAHATAN) and ASWAN in Egypt. The second was from MODI'IN during the days of Jonathan Maccabees Revolt. This was the period of Israelites,Elamites,kittites,Babylonias refugees etc thronged to Egypt around 627BC -650BC.Certain word of the Semitic are found in Yoruba language despite modification but are related in meaning. THERE WERE 46 KINGS BEFORE ODUA EMERGED AS OLOFI ADIMUELA / ONI IN THE ORAL ACCOUNT OF ANCIENT YORUBA PEOPLE AND NONE OF THE 46 KINGS ARE TRACEABLE TO ILE LIFE AND AFRICA.

ELEDUMARE / OLORUN ( YORUBA) AND ELYON OR EL (HEBREW) the word Ọlọhun i.e. Oni Ohún is, instead, commonly used to denote their faith in God as The Almighty Divine, The Absolute Sovereign.


Eledumare is the name given to one of the three manifestations of the Supreme God in the Yoruba pantheon . Eledumare is the
Supreme Creator .[1] Olodumare carries the responsibility of coordinating the Universe, while Olofi is identified with Olofin Oduduwa who brings existence to earth on orders from Olodumare. The Supreme God has three manifestations: Eledumare , the Creator; Olorun, ruler of the heavens; and Olofi , who is the conduit between Orún ( Heaven ) and Ayé ( Earth).
Olorun ( Yoruba : Ọlọrun or Ọlọhun ) literally, especially, Ọlọrun means The Ruler of (or in) the Heaven i.e. Oni Orún - the Ruler of (or in) the Heaven. In Yoruba Mythology Ọlọrun is said to be the name given by the Oracles to one of the three manifestations of the Supreme God in the Yoruba pantheon . Olorun is the owner of the heavens and as associated with the Sun . The vital energy of Olorun manifests in humans as Ashé, which is the life force that runs through all living things.
[1] In Africa, Akamara is believed to be the Source of all Existence. Olodumare carries the responsibility of coordinating the Universe, while Olofi is identified with Olofin Oduduwa (a different entity but born of Akamara) who brings existence to earth on orders from Olodumare.
The Supreme God has three manifestations:
Eledumare, the Creator; Olorun, ruler of the heavens; and Olofi , who is the conduit between Orún ( Heaven ) and Ayé ( Earth






ELYON FROM HEBREW RELIGION

Elyon ( Biblical Hebrew עליון ; Masoretic ʿElyōn ; traditionally rendered in Samaritan as
illiyyon [ citation needed] ) is an epithet of the
God of the Israelites in the Hebrew Bible. ʾĒl ʿElyōn is usually rendered in English as "God Most High", and similarly in the Septuagint as "Ο ΘΕΟΣ Ο ΥΨΙΣΤΟΣ" ("God the highest".
The critical scholar and Reform rabbi Abraham Geiger in the 19th century asserted that Elyōn was a word of late origin, dating it to the time of the Maccabees . However, its use in the Ugarit (modern Ras Shamra, Syria) tablets has proven it to be pre-Mosaic (Hertz 1936).
The term also has mundane uses, such as " upper" (where the ending in both roots is a
locative , not superlative or comparative ), "top", or "uppermost", referring simply to the position of objects (e.g. applied to a basket in Genesis 40.17 or to a chamber in Ezekiel 42.5).

Ancient Canaanite religion

Canaanite religion refers to the group of
Ancient Semitic religions practiced by the
Canaanites living in the ancient Levant from at least the early Bronze Age through the first centuries of the Common Era .
Canaanite religion was polytheistic , and in some cases monolatristic .

The Canaanites
The Levant region was inhabited by people who themselves referred to the land as 'ca-na-na-um' as early as the mid-third millennium BCE. There are a number of possible etymologies for the word.
Some [ who? ] suggest the name comes from the Semitic word " cana'ani ", meaning merchant, for which the Phoenicians became justly famous.
The Akkadian word " kinahhu" referred to the purple-colored wool, dyed from the Murex molluscs of the coast, which was throughout history a key export of the region. When the Greeks later traded with the Canaanites, this meaning of the word seems to have predominated as they called the Canaanites the Phoenikes or "Phoenicians", which may derive from the Greek word " Phoenix" meaning crimson or purple, and again described the cloth for which the Greeks also traded. The Romans transcribed " phoenix" to "poenus ", thus calling the descendants of the Canaanite settlers in Carthage " Punic".
Thus while "Phoenician " and " Canaanite " refer to the same culture, archaeologists and historians commonly refer to the Bronze Age , pre-1200 BC Levantines as Canaanites and their Iron Age descendants, particularly those living on the coast, as Phoenicians. More recently, the term Canaanite has been used for the secondary Iron Age states of the interior (including the Philistines and the states of Israel and Judah ) that were not ruled by Arameans — a separate and closely related ethnic group.

Mythology

In the Baal Cycle , Ba'al Hadad is challenged by and defeats Yam, using two magical weapons (called "Driver" and "Chaser" made for him by Kothar-wa-Khasis. Afterward, with the help of Athirat and Anat, Ba'al persuades El to allow him a palace. El approves, and the palace is built by Kothar-wa-Khasis. After the palace is constructed, Ba'al gives forth a thunderous roar out of the palace window and challenges Mot. Mot enters through the window and swallows Ba'al, sending him to the Underworld. With no one to give rain, there is a terrible drought in Ba'al's absence. The other deities, especially El and Anat, are distraught that Ba'al has been taken to the Underworld. Anat goes to the Underworld, attacks Mot with a knife, grinds him up into pieces, and scatters him far and wide. With Mot defeated, Ba'al is able to return and refresh the Earth with rain.

Religious practices

Archaeological investigations at the site of Tell el-Safiad have found the remains of donkeys, as well as some sheep and goats in Early Bronze Age layers, dating to 4900 years ago which were imported from Egypt in order to be sacrificed. One of the sacrificial animals, a complete donkey, was found beneath the foundations of a building, leading to speculation this was a 'foundation deposit' placed before the building of a residential house.
It is considered virtually impossible to reconstruct a clear picture of Canaanite religious practices. Although child sacrifice was known to surrounding peoples there is no reference to it in ancient Phoenician or Classical texts. The biblical representation of Canaanite religion is always negative.
Canaanite religious practice had a high regard for the duty of children to care for their parents, with sons being held responsible for burying them, and arranging for the maintenance of their tombs.
Canaanite deities such as Baal were represented by figures which were placed in shrines often on hilltops, or 'high places' surrounded by groves of trees, such as is condemned in the Hebrew Bible, in Hosea (v 13)which would probably hold the Asherah pole, and standing stones or pillars.

Influences

Canaanite religion was strongly influenced by their more powerful and populous neighbors, and shows clear influence of Mesopotamian and
Egyptian religious practices. Like other people of the Ancient Near East Canaanite religious beliefs were polytheistic , with families typically focusing on Veneration of the dead in the form of household gods and goddesses, the
Elohim, while acknowledging the existence of other deities such as Baal and El , Asherah and Astarte. Kings also played an important religious role and in certain ceremonies, such as the hieros gamos of the New Year, may have been revered as gods. "At the center of Canaanite religion was royal concern for religious and political legitimacy and the imposition of a divinely ordained legal structure, as well as peasant emphasis on fertility of the crops, flocks, and humans."

Contact with other Areas
Canaanite religion was influenced by its peripheral position, intermediary between Egypt and Mesopotamia, whose religions had a growing impact upon Canaanite religion. For example, during the Hyksos period, when chariot-mounted maryannu ruled in Egypt, at their capital city of Avaris , Baal became associated with the Egyptian god Set , and was considered identical – particularly with Set in his form as Sutekh. Iconographically henceforth Baal was shown wearing the crown of Lower Egypt and shown in the Egyptian-like stance, one foot set before the other. Similarly
Athirat (known by her later Hebrew name Asherah), Athtart (known by her later Greek name Astarte), and Anat henceforth were portrayed wearing Hathor -like Egyptian wigs.
From the other direction, Jean Bottéro has suggested that Yah of Ebla (a possible precursor of Yam) was equated with the
Mesopotamian god Ea during the Akkadian Empire. In the Middle and Late Bronze Age, there are also strong Hurrian and Mitannite influences upon the Canaanite religion. The Hurrian goddess Hebat was worshiped in
Jerusalem, and Baal was closely considered equivalent to the Hurrian storm god Teshub and the Hittite storm god, Tarhunt. Canaanite divinities seem to have been almost identical in form and function to the neighboring
Arameans to the east, and Baal Hadad and El can be distinguished amongst earlier Amorites , who at the end of the Early Bronze Age invaded Mesopotamia .
Carried west by Phoenician sailors, Canaanite religious influences can be seen in Greek mythology, particularly in the tripartite division between the Olympians Zeus , Poseidon and
Hades , mirroring the division between Baal .Yam and Mot , and in the story of the Labours of Hercules, mirroring the stories of the Tyrian Melqart, who was often equated with Heracles. [28]

sarrki:
http://www.premiumtimesng.com/regional/ssouth-west/224492-applause-akeredolu-acknowledges-tinubu-inaugural-speech.html

The shame on Chief John odigie Oyegun's face alone can't even make him more accepted in South West. He looked so focused on the inauguration proper without even having the charisma of paying attention to his old friend during the struggle of N.A.D.E.C.O days . Little did his likes know that in Yoruba land, Ki a ja ki sè bi ti ku. I don't even know why such a man will be a Yoruba descendant in this era.

NairobiWalker:
Thank you captain obvious.
What a load of crap. Not even related to what I said or your earlier assertions. Like I said, you're incurable. Continue living in your bubble.

It is obvious you didn't go to school. I am not the type that will use vulgar words on a forum of this nature else I would have dealt a blow of loaf of it at you. what was my earlier assertion?
They are;
Bob Colly isn't a Kenyan
He own safaricom- His owning safaricom has a lot of under tone to it. You can't be a C.E.O without being a shareholder with quantifiable amount of stocks in your kitty. You obviously don't read. 65% inclusive Vodafone 40% are owned by human beings and not a ghost. I didn't read about having knowledge on stocks and company and allied
matters on pages of newspaper but studied it at the University. Now, go back and read the reason I forwarded the definition of a C.E.O. to you so as get acquainted with it and don't write about a subject matter because you want to be patriotic and blinded to the truth and reality. I don't even want to go into details of subscribers of either safaricom or Glo. But facts don't lie.

Mention a Kenyan, who is a Telecom business guru that owns a telecommunications out fit that is valued at 2billion$

Glo was the first Telecom Company in Africa which started with fibre Optic installation.

Chief Mike Adenuga is a Nigerian and the only African who is the only Telecom business guru among the Top three richest men in Africa Continent. Glo is not even listed in the stock of exchange in Nigeria.

As you can read, clearly, I didn't digress but wrote aptly except only when I wanted to be specific about Bob Colly's origin, which I corrected swiftly. So kindly inform us on the name of any Kenyan with such Telecom background? The truth is none exist in Kenya's world. I need not use derogatory words with but to press home the point so that you can learn. Morning to you “ learner", Perhaps it is more accurate to use a more dignifying word like,“ my student"

buchibrand:
Why should I pray for such to befall the Acting President?. I neither pray for buhari to remain sick nor for Osinbajo to fall sick.
But if there is an iota of possibility in it, then we must pray hard, work hard and act fast so that we don't hand Nigeria over to those we can't trust. That's the essence of this threat.

Who is in politics in Nigeria that you can so much say without him or her having no godfather? This is the bitter truth. The people that can turn Nigeria around have fled Nigeria. And the ones that have stayed behind are hiding behind God for the safety of their own lives and family's . This is because politics in Nigeria is just too tough and dirty that even involve killing or rituals....

buchibrand:
If you love this man this much why not you join your voice to those who are calling on the senate to do the needfull? Weather we like it or not, if anything happens to him slightly and he's flown out of Nigeria or Hospitalised, Saraki will become the president. And once that is done, the fight against corruption is dead.

Saraki isn't as evil as it seems. Every one them you see at the Federal house of assembly upper chamber and lower chamber are mostly contractors in politics. Take for instance, why would a senator want personal allocation for developments for his or her constituency year in year out ?,It is only in Nigeria everything goes. They are meant to suggest bills, advise the executive, propose bill to woo executive to evenly help to assist their different constituencies,and pass into law . And also to oversee the checks and balances of the executive arm's excesses. But are they doing all these functions expected of them? Look at Trump with all his promises of lies and pride to ride easy with soft landing at the presidency but loo his eyes are getting clearer every other passing day. This is what we expect these educated elite to do for Nigeria. But so sorry case is the story of a country which once had the value of her currency traded at 1.50k/£ and 1.00/$ . It is so bad

buchibrand:
It is time to take Back the Power we gave to our politicians. True power belongs to the people. 2019 will definitely be a year of judgement if we don't allow them to cajole us again.

Are the people willing to take such risk considering the “sign posts" at River State? These set of political class are just too evil to deal with. Only a fragment of them truly mean well. Their interest are basically what they can benefit from the government/country and not what they can offer to reduce the suffering of the mass population of Nigeria. And here we are. with multiple and divided views because many have read more than the UNIVERSITY WALLS. How do you then solve these germane problems? You or I have little to say or do else one will be caught in between the cross fire, It heartbreaking seeing the same impression and actions the past government of PDP did/took ,is the same formula the present APC is doing but in a more advanced pattern. If only and only Nigeria is well structured into power devolution into the hands of the citizens whereby any erring and meaningless and mannerless personality can be recalled by his or her constituency via referendum . By so doing, this will reduce the opportunity of get quick syndrome, then solutions aren't farfetched. But in truth how feasible are these views?

NairobiWalker:
What are you even talking about? Bob Collymore has no shares in Safaricom......and what South African are you talking about? Which foreigners are you talking about that apparently own Safaricom assets? Dude, you're sick......and who's this madman who voted an imaginary Nigerian company as the best technologically? And why is the imaginary company not in the top 50 largest companies on the continent? This dude is sick.

From South America I meant and not South Africa. I was specifically referring to the continent he came from.That was typo error despite that you still need to go to school to study. Do you know why?

Is the CEO of a Company Always the Majority Shareholder?
In any business, a chief executive officer is pilot of the ship, the individual who makes the final strategic decisions about products, markets, budgets and personnel. On the CEO's shoulders weighs the responsibility of setting out goals and establishing a culture that inspires employees. Traditional corporate structure begins with a CEO at the top of the chart -- but majority shareholder may be another individual, investor group or corporate parent.

Majority Shareholders and Company Size
A chief executive may be the majority shareholder in the company, but in a public corporation of any size, normally is not. Large companies have market capitalizations (total share value) in the hundreds of billions. Their investors may include large institutions, mutual funds, pension funds, hedge funds and banks, all of which have sufficient financial resources to hold big blocks of shares. The smaller the company, the more likely that the CEO will be the majority shareholder or -- in many cases --the only one

Stock Options and Insider Holdings
This does not mean CEOs don't hold large blocks of shares. CEOs and directors of many small companies earn stock options as part (or all) of their compensation. Outside investors consider a significant investment in the company a sign of good faith; federal law requires disclosure of these "insider" holdings in a market-listed company. When a CEO or other officer buys or sells stock, that activity is reported to the Securities and Exchange Commission on a 10-Q form and available to the public through the SEC's Edgar database.
Majority Shares and Influence
If a small-company CEO is not the majority shareholder, she may need to consider carefully the outlook of the individual, or group, that does hold that position. Although some investors are relatively passive, others take an active role, and the majority shareholder often can swing important votes, such as an election of officers or the decision on whether or not to merge with another company. If a majority shareholder feels the CEO is not meeting the requirements of the job, he can also request (or demand) the CEO's resignation or force a vote on the matter

Closely Held Companies
In smaller companies and start-ups, a chief executive officer often is the individual who founded the business and who remains the principal shareholder. Corporate structure and executive positions are not defined by stock holdings, but in cases where a CEO also happens to be a majority shareholder, the company is "closely held" and less subject to shareholder votes and demands. This is the reason many closely held companies resist going public, even after many years of success. For example, Mark Zuckerberg, founder and CEO of Facebook, resisted a public offering of shares for many years before accepting the need to take the business public.

Apart from the 35% owned by Kenya's government , the rest are Vodafone 40% while 25% to the public(free float). Do you have knowledge at all on stocks? or Pooling in Economics? you have to be lettered engage me. Mention one Kenya, j said or forget it.. Sleep on it

He or she is a personage who has been seen as the ideal role model for all to emulate. The attitude of “Omoluabi" doesn't deny such person from being emotional but being able to contain his or her excesses and refrain from anger when advised. This kind of an individual is more of a listener than a talkative and when such individual's opinion heard. there will hardly be no opposition and even if there are a critics, This type of an individual is acknowledged as being “divine,"
(OMO-OLU-UWA-BI) .

NairobiWalker:
Your boisterous attitude is incurable. It's stupid to boast when you know nothing though. Safaricom has a revenue of over $2 billion. It is a way bigger company that your much hyped Glo. Please, get informed about the rest of the continent and stop living in your bubble. Below is a list of top 50 largest African companies. Safaricom is number 26 at $5.7 billion in 2014 (up from number 47 the previous year - you can guess where it is now) and no Nigerian telecommunications company features.

You are a big liar. Is safaricom solely own by Guyana guy who even isn't a Kenyan? But immigrant, Or is he not? 40% of safaricom belong to which company? kindly write it out. I asked you to mention a Kenyan and not a South African who just dabble into Kenya in a nearly monotonous Telecom sector where people had no advanced knowledge telephony.Why is your safaricom or gafariom or whatever name it being called and be named as the most innovative and technologically advanced Telecom Company in Africa in the recent survey?.Kenya remind me of old Nigeria when NITEL was the only Telecom company yet her service was poor. Let liberation gain access to that your economy and all safaricom 19million+ subscribers will be reduced drastically. Here you are gallivanting over a foreigner's asset who isn't among the top three richest men in Africa. Let Kenyans go and work harder to achieve being a proud indigenous self Telecom giant like a enigmatic and visionary Chief Mike Adenuga who saw beyond his time.