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IranjeIdita:
You are not making any sense but typing balderdash.

I ask again, which of Akin Ogundiran's work? Name dropping people does nothing to me. Cite which of his work talks about Obatala and Oduduwa at Lafogido's burial site, I am waiting.

Secret Ancient association like what?

Quit name dropping, I have Frobenius's Voice of Africa work, volume 1 & 2 which I have read page to page.

Eithee you are not very bright or you have a hard time comprehending what you are supposedly reading and the theory/philosophy guiding the author's research patterns.

Frobenius, Bascom, Willet and a number of European researchers have worked on Ife yes. Leave these works and go to read books of culture historians or Ife historians - Eluyemi, Fashogbon & Fabunmi. All of their works in entirety.

Olu317 the Jew.

You are the intending PhD. here . So,I need not be specific about Akin Ogundiran's work or his interpretation as well as other archeologists either of a Nigerian background or Europeans on some artifacts . Find yourself a good sponsor of international repute and work up your butt to get information. Travel to UK museum and some Europeans museums where some of these arts are stationed . Perhaps, luck may shine on you but expecting me to give full details on what you need to have knowledge on is practically incoherent. Indeed you have portrayed uncultured attitude of not being called true “Omoluabi". If you don't know what secret associations are, then, you are not YORUBA.

IranjeIdita:
You said they come back to ife to be initiated into stuff or for identification.

And I corrected you that modt initiate before leaving and they ususlly never return st least not for initiation.

You are a LIAR. YOU DON'T HAVE KNOWLEDGE ON THE ASSOCIATION AT ILE IFE. THERE ARE CONSECRATION AND NEED TO BE INITIATED, ESPECIALLY THE MALE CHILDREN OF THE FIRST WIFE . THE LUSI DESCENDANTS WERE ALWAYS GOING BACK TO ILE IFE TO FRATERNISE. WHO WERE THE GROUP THAT DIDN'T WORE TRIBAL MARKS BEFORE THEY ABOLISHED IT DURING OBALUFON SECOND REIGN? , DO YOU KNOW WHY? JUST LET STOP THERE. I DON'T WANT TO GO DEEPER ON MY HERITAGE. Emi Omo a mu akuko fin fin( fun fun) borè.......
....OMO OKE RI LÈ. FORGET IT .... I KNOW MY HERITAGE. IT IS HEREDITARY. .

IranjeIdita:
You said they come back to ife to be initiated into stuff or for identification.

And I corrected you that modt initiate before leaving and they ususlly never return st least not for initiation.

You are a LIAR. YOU DON'T HAVE KNOWLEDGE ON THE ASSOCIATION AT ILE IFE. THERE ARE CONSECRATION . THE LUSI DESCENDANTS WERE ALWAYS GOING BACK TO ILE IFE. BEFORE THEY ABOLISHED TRIBAL MARK, WE HAD BEEN WITHOUT TRIBAL MARKS. DO YOU KNOW WHY? JUST LET STOP THERE. I DON'T WANT TO GO DEEPER ON MY HERITAGE. Emi Omo a mu akuko fin fin( fun fun) borè.......
....OMO OKE RI LÈ. FORGET IT . .

IranjeIdita:
Only Oyo had contact with Hausa & Malians.

Oyo was the only group referred to as Yoruba.

Go and read properly & leave Jewish history first.

Yoruba as an encompassing term did not begin until colonial period.

what are you even inferring? Only Oyo had what? If you know Oyo so well, then define who Oyo people were. Before I knock off your view .Thank you

IranjeIdita:
I am too tired to rgo through pages for the word you used in reference to the ram head & stuff.

Which of Dr. Akin Ogundiran's work? Give me the title of the work you want me to read.

Lafogido's burial site is behind Igbo Itapa and close to Idena. I know where it is and I have distant relatives whose family compound is around Lafogido/Idena street.

Obatala & Oduduwa families have nothing to do with Lafogido and his burial site. You may want to be specific here so I know what exactly connects Obatala or Oduduwa to Lafogido as he was not an initiate nor a descendant of either lineage.

Morning, I had thought you are an ABSOLUTE knowledge on this ILE IFE ARTS. Why do you now need me to give an information you are supposedly to have in your care. I had mentioned your status as a PHD student in which you claimed. I am tempted to reaffirm my stance as it regard your account on this subject matter that you have little knowledge of the depth of ILE IFE. I have given you a name in relationship to the perceived issue. And the professor,whom I had expected you to be familiar with his books is one of the most OUTSTANDING YORUBA ARCHAEOLOGIST. So, dear, read his books and you will be amazed at the things you have no knowledge on. Europeans who seeks to know more on these things went far to to acquire knowledge on this subject matter of Yoruba history and Art. Even became initiated in the YORUBA SECRET ANCIENT ASSOCIATIONS. One out of the few ones was LATE Professor LEO FRONBENIOUS. Some IFE ART of the 12th-13th century etc are in European museum along side Persians Greek Arts. Are you more knowledgeable than these archeologists? All that is expected of you is to complement what has been found already as a PhD student. Least I forget, what area of your discipline do embark on your PhD? It will Dawn on you when the archaeologist locate the site of shrine at Elephanté and Yebu.

IranjeIdita:
Laziness is framing history out of similarities in different culture as opposed to extensive ethnographic research.

I do not but as someone in the thick of these things, I know for sure nobody either ogberi or initiate could go to dig anything.

You have not provided evidences either just imaginative composition and religious emotional tripe are all we have seen.

zYou are not thick at all.... you are not thick and you don't have even have one scholars that has disputed theory of Yoruba of having local origin. And Hausa was not the man but BABA AHMED OF MALI BEFORE THE ACCOUNT OF SULTAN BELLO OF SOKOTO. IF OYO WAS DIFFERENT FROM THE REST GROUP, THEY WOULD HAVE SPOKEN A DIFFERENT LANGUAGE. YOU ARE A VERY FUNNY YORUBA GUY.

IranjeIdita:
Lol

This post had my lips cracking up.

Sir, I said I have folks who can shed more light on matters bothering on Ife language if I come across what I happen to be grappling with.

- you won't specify or you do not know?

- No, princes get initiated before they leave.

- maybe in your hometown it means a lot. Except you are the first son, there's really no biggie to be born of first wife. If you are not the first son then no biggie here.

- 19th century starts from 1801 to 1900.

- Where was Odede's mother from? Tell me or was it Israel?

- If he did not come back to rule, he would not have waged war against Obalufon.

You simply don't read. WHERE DID I MENTION “INITIATED"BEFORE LEAVING ILE IFE ? READ VERY WELL MY DEAR

IranjeIdita:
Uncle, you are mainly obsessed with Cannanites & your christian beliefs.

The ram heads, crocodile carvings and other animal arts were not dug at the grave sites of Idita or Idio kings, please stop with these lies. We know it is important that you find your own origins in your religion but you do not have to concuct lies & distort history.

In my compound, all Obatala chiefs are buried close to the temple or our own section of Ife. At least my great grand father, my grandfather and uncles were either buried at Igbo Itapa where the temple/family cimpound is or at Idita. The temple land has never been dug & neither have the burial sites at Ideta been dug.

This is the same for Idio clan.

Where you got your Elephant, antelope & obatala connection & hippopotamus, ram & Oduduwa is for you alone o.

As for the flower patterns made with the arrangement of cowries, found on the headgear of chiefs are meant to distinguish Isoro group (Obatala) & Aworo (Oduduwa's group). In other words, the valley & the hill settlers.

As for the cap, kings & priest and priests have 'osu' in certain places on their heads that could not be seen by the public. In the time past headcovers were made from leaves, then white clothes were tied over the head, then headcovers made from beads and then finalky the small caps like those of Alfas introduced very recently.

You're thinking into these similarities too much that you are failing to study the actual process through which a phenomenon came about. You just want to find the slightest things to slap together.




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quote me where I mentioned all the animals being dug. GO AND READ WHAT PROFESSOR AKIN OGUNDIRAN 'S ACCOUNT ON THE ARCHEOLOGICAL STUDY AT THE SITES VISITED BY THEM. I want you to study more so as to know more. I am sure you know about LAFOGIDO SITE AT ILE IFE. THAT PLACE HAS A GOOD INFORMATION ABOUT OBATALA AND ODUDUA LINEAGE.. AT LEAST YOU CAN ASK PEOPLE OUT IT YOU DON'T KNOW MUCH. I CAN SEE WHY YOU ARE SO ENTANGLED WITH ILE UFE FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE. SO YOU ARE OBATALA'S LINEAGE.

IranjeIdita:
Uncle, you are mainly obsessed with Cannanites & your christian beliefs.

The ram heads, crocodile carvings and other animal arts were not dug at the grave sites of Idita or Idio kings, please stop with these lies. We know it is important that you find your own origins in your religion but you do not have to concuct lies & distort history.

In my compound, all Obatala chiefs are buried close to the temple or our own section of Ife. At least my great grand father, my grandfather and uncles were either buried at Igbo Itapa where the temple/family cimpound is or at Idita. The temple land has never been dug & neither have the burial sites at Ideta been dug.

This is the same for Idio clan.

Where you got your Elephant, antelope & obatala connection & hippopotamus, ram & Oduduwa is for you alone o.

As for the flower patterns made with the arrangement of cowries, found on the headgear of chiefs are meant to distinguish Isoro group (Obatala) & Aworo (Oduduwa's group). In other words, the valley & the hill settlers.

As for the cap, kings & priest and priests have 'osu' in certain places on their heads that could not be seen by the public. In the time past headcovers were made from leaves, then white clothes were tied over the head, then headcovers made from beads and then finalky the small caps like those of Alfas introduced very recently.

You're thinking into these similarities too much that you are failing to study the actual process through which a phenomenon came about. You just want to find the slightest things to slap together.




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Quote me where I mentioned “dug" from the grave site? If not then use a better detailed information and don't be lazy. Beside, do you have any material that mentioned anything close to the study of the burial sites of descendants of Odua and obatala's lineage burial site? If not don't comment on it. Then secondly, obsession has nothing to do with the trade marks of identity. Many of you come here postulating but no any counter claim with evidence but emotional attachment to ILE IFE HERITAGE yet you have little knowledge of the primacy of ILE IFE...You think all of these I mentioned here are framed? you really think it was thought? I am smiling all the way.....joker you are.

IranjeIdita:
Lol how am I supposed to address you?
T start until
At the emboldened:

Since he was a prince and a warrior:

- Prince from which of the royal families?

- what made him a warrior at the time of his emigration? Ife wars with Owu did not start until around 15th/16th C and Ife was badly beaten until Ijebu came to the rescue, Modakeke/Ife stuff didn't start until around 19th c. - outside this, Ife never engaged any known wars.

There were two known princes who were warriors from Ife:

- Odede aka Oranmiyan

&

- Derin aka Ologbenla

Asides these two, no known princes were really warriors as Ife had no standing army nor did it have imperialistic forces requiring conquests.

So, since he was a prince, which of the royal lines did he leave from?

Cheers.

You have folks who can shed more light on it. Luusi left as far back as 12th/13th/14th century(I won't specify). Ajamaiye was far from him. Princes go back to ILE IFE for initiation into cults and for identification purposes . Do you know what it mean to be from the first wife's descendants in the ancient Yoruba tradition of kingly home?
?. t is quite funny as you referred to 19th century war that happened just less than 150 years back that involved IBADAN/MODAKEKE/OYO BACKING WAR Vs EKITI PARAPO. . How many princes do you know? Do you even know where oranmiyan's mother's from? You don't even know Odede. Do you think Odede came back because he wanted to rule? You better go and learn very well because you aren't well informed.

IranjeIdita:
Oduduwa, the human, has become so spiritualized, mythicized and embellished so much and these unrealistic stuff form the basis of the conclusion you are painting about the man.

From the other thread I guessed your ancestry was connected to Giesi.

A quick look at Giesi's history shows he was a child of a female. He was the son of Ogboru's daughter. Yes, the Ogboru that founded Ife Odan and the progenitor of Sijuade's compound/royal line.

Lafogido (Oranmiyan's grandson), Osinkola (Lafogido's son), Ogboru (Osinkola's brother & Giesi's grandfather ) & Giesi (connected to Owa Luusi) were all Oranmiyan's offsprings - very distant to Oduduwa if you ask me.

From my personal further research to be sure Owa Luusi was from Giesi house, I found that Owa Luusi's folks migrated out of Ife truly but the connection between Owaluusi & Giesi may have been because Ajamaye came to Ife to fight in the Modakeke war which happened during the time of the present Ooni's grandfather Ojaja the first also known as 'Ayikiti ninu aran' which earned him the name Ayikiti.

From the Oriki of the present Ooni, it says 'mo nlo re igbo dey omo Luusi' - I am going to wait in the forest/bushes for the child of Luusi. This excerpt only states the Ayikiti's exploits during the war and the fact that he conscripted Omo Luusi (the child of Luusi - prince Ajamaye) into his army to fight the Modakeke.

In simpler terms, Ayikiti (Ooni Ogunwusi's) grandfather and Ajamaye (Omo Owa Luusi) were war comrades and that is where it stops.

Your patrilineal claim to Oduduwa is what confuses me a bit.

- is it based on your people's emigration from Ife? A number of thrones and cities were founded by Ife emigrants most who were not from ife royal families but hunters, artisans, curious travellers etc.

- is this based on the fact that Ajamaye fought on Ayikiti's team against Modakeke?

- Or do you assume you are connected to Giesi Royal house?

If the latter is what you've latched on to then keep in mind that Giesi himself was of matrilineal line. And also, Oranmiyan was the progenitor of the ruling houses not Oduduwa. Oduduwa comes into the picture as grandfather & great grandfather, quite distant.

Only those from Idio house have direct claims to Oduduwa. Every Ooni is much more connected to Oranmiyan than Oduduwa and Oonis' claims to Oduduwa are no more than that of Eluyemi and any Yoruba son & daughter who regards Oduduwa as the progenitor.

Professor Eluyemi was a an initiate of Orisa in Ife, an initiate of Ife traditional Ogboni, he became the Apena of the Ogboni, and a traditional chief in Ife. If you know not, initiating into Orisa or being from an orisa lineage earns you surface information except you initiate into Ogboni then you get all the information you need but then bound in secrecy.

Your claim to Oduduwa is not solid if you are not from Idio. Your claim here is surface at best and what anyone can claim.

Cheers.

LUSI WAS A VERY GREAT WARRIOR PRINCE..... Olusi as the head and leader of the contingent, left ile-Ife on that fateful day with two traditional beaded crowns, a wooden stool with a carved image (status) of tiger and crown resting on a suspended royal swords, a tiger skin, a royal staff of office made of brass with a status of a crown on top, war and hunting paraphernalia, beads, white horse tails, royal calabashes one of which contained water from Esinmirin stream from Ile-ife; protective charms of various kind, a tortoise and other kingly regalia which are today attached to the sacred and royal throne of OLUSI


NOW TELL ME ,WHO IS HE? HAVE I INFORMED WRONGLY? SO ADDRESS ME PROPERLY AND NOT AS FROM A GREAT HUNTER'S FAMILY.....

IranjeIdita:
Oduduwa, the human, has become so spiritualized, mythicized and embellished so much and these unrealistic stuff form the basis of the conclusion you are painting about the man.

From the other thread I guessed your ancestry was connected to Giesi.

A quick look at Giesi's history shows he was a child of a female. He was the son of Ogboru's daughter. Yes, the Ogboru that founded Ife Odan and the progenitor of Sijuade's compound/royal line.

Lafogido (Oranmiyan's grandson), Osinkola (Lafogido's son), Ogboru (Osinkola's brother & Giesi's grandfather ) & Giesi (connected to Owa Luusi) were all Oranmiyan's offsprings - very distant to Oduduwa if you ask me.

From my personal further research to be sure Owa Luusi was from Giesi house, I found that Owa Luusi's folks migrated out of Ife truly but the connection between Owaluusi & Giesi may have been because Ajamaye came to Ife to fight in the Modakeke war which happened during the time of the present Ooni's grandfather Ojaja the first also known as 'Ayikiti ninu aran' which earned him the name Ayikiti.

From the Oriki of the present Ooni, it says 'mo nlo re igbo dey omo Luusi' - I am going to wait in the forest/bushes for the child of Luusi. This excerpt only states the Ayikiti's exploits during the war and the fact that he conscripted Omo Luusi (the child of Luusi - prince Ajamaye) into his army to fight the Modakeke.

In simpler terms, Ayikiti (Ooni Ogunwusi's) grandfather and Ajamaye (Omo Owa Luusi) were war comrades and that is where it stops.

Your patrilineal claim to Oduduwa is what confuses me a bit.

- is it based on your people's emigration from Ife? A number of thrones and cities were founded by Ife emigrants most who were not from ife royal families but hunters, artisans, curious travellers etc.

- is this based on the fact that Ajamaye fought on Ayikiti's team against Modakeke?

- Or do you assume you are connected to Giesi Royal house?

If the latter is what you've latched on to then keep in mind that Giesi himself was of matrilineal line. And also, Oranmiyan was the progenitor of the ruling houses not Oduduwa. Oduduwa comes into the picture as grandfather & great grandfather, quite distant.

Only those from Idio house have direct claims to Oduduwa. Every Ooni is much more connected to Oranmiyan than Oduduwa and Oonis' claims to Oduduwa are no more than that of Eluyemi and any Yoruba son & daughter who regards Oduduwa as the progenitor.

Professor Eluyemi was a an initiate of Orisa in Ife, an initiate of Ife traditional Ogboni, he became the Apena of the Ogboni, and a traditional chief in Ife. If you know not, initiating into Orisa or being from an orisa lineage earns you surface information except you initiate into Ogboni then you get all the information you need but then bound in secrecy.

Your claim to Oduduwa is not solid if you are not from Idio. Your claim here is surface at best and what anyone can claim.

Cheers.

How are you sure Oranmiyan owns the ruling house? The throne didn't belong to Oranmiyan but ODUA. So, get your facts right. Giesi was not the father of Owa luusi . I don't want to go further on that aspect but I am from a patrilineal lineage. How many LUUSI do you know migrated out of ILE IFE? Either way, Omo ko ni ile baba ko ma ni ti Iya. Record don't lie.... It is not about egocentrism but the truth. I am not here to discuss my heritage based on pride. In fact being born to that lineage doesn't make me see myself superior to anyone because IBI TI ORI DA MI SI NIYEN. And on the info I doled out was because of brotherhood with someone else on this platform. So kindly do not go there again . And Ajamaiye came back to fight on behalf of his father's patrilineal throne . Even if you see me on the road, you can't IDENTIFY me because we are trained as OMOLUABI. What is your oriki?. Lastly, YOU CANNOT DECODE THE EULOGY OF OONI BECAUSE YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND YORUBA FROM YOUR INTERPRETATION and confirm before you draw battle line...EMI OMO AROGUN DADE.....OMO AROTE MÀBERU...................OMO ALAGADA OGUN......KAARE O' BA.
What family tree uses that eulogy? Let us concentrate on the subject matter. God bless you

MetaPhysical:
I have no conclusions, only questions exist in my mind. If I have any bias it is in favor of oral records having more authenticity than Eurocentric publications about Yoruba.

I just recently asked a page or two ago that could it be possible Oduduwa coming to Ife was a return to roots. So I am not concluded in favor of one above the other as origin but I am thoroughly convinced that a connection far more than just a chance exist between Yoruba and spiritual Canaan.

Aare and Aaron, Araba and Rabbi, Nineveh/Levite and Ile Ife, similarity of form and function of the Mesopotamian Crowns and Yoruba Crowns..and many others that border or are actual participation in the idea of altar, rituals and devotion.

We hear Oduduwa is a foreigner. What we are doing is chasing footprints to establish where he is from. I am not a fan of the Israelite origin. My push is for Ancient Hebrew origin, which is far broader and more expansive than Israel.

I find it challenging to see us believing that EUROCENTRISM was the reason YORUBA as being taunted to be from ISRAEL. HAVE YOU COME ACROSS THE WORD USERE -MAGBO?, My knowledge on the Europeans is that they don't love anything that has to do with AFRICANS because of their beliefs about savagery attitudes of Africans but were shocked to see something different from a people whose ideologies is directly like theirs. Trust me, if the YORUBA didn't have all these traits, they wouldn't dare go near it or studying them. Do you have knowledge of the shawls placed on the shoulders of the Yoruba priests ? You will see it in TORAH. I love my race so much because of the self pride, unlike some tribes that believes so much in identifying with the present day Israel. The amazing aspects of the ancient Hebrews and Yoruba is that they were not whites Race . And they claim that their father was a divine descendants from God. Will these not make the European go crazier seeing traces of ancient East culture in YORUBA LAND ? Yoruba history and religion is too close for a comfort to the historians and archeologists . The Yoruba sculptures needed to be studied more by Yoruba archeologists but where is the funding? These are the reasons Many Yorubas still doubt the authenticity of these information. And these Europeans have the funds and they know more about us than you and I do.

IranjeIdita:
How many people are called Oduduwa in total, do you know?

I see them as different people and Oduduwa-ship as a status to be attained.

The creation story in Ifa - cock, sand, water, obatala, palm wine and stuff.

Not so true. IFA is a religion in which it has pattern in keeping an account of the past and a spiritual guide for humanity/believer. The cock, sand, water and ELA(first spoken word) by Eledumare. All these confirm certain fact about Yoruba Religion having knowledge of Biblical God or vice versa. Do you know that ancients ISRAELI DREADLOCKS WERE FORBIDDEN TO DRINK RUM/PALM WINE? . Have you heard of account of Hausa migration? Do you know that Hausas history had knowledge of Middle East?
it is a pointer to show that there were true migration.

Human history cannot be divorced from their art. Do you agree?
Europeans/Americans spend huge amount of money to find out facts about the beginning of humanity as whole in Africa . But ILE IFE has claimed that it was the first place on earth was not accepted as TRUTH from the archaeological findings. ILE IFE has only proven to develop art as seen as transfer ideology from other part of Africa and Greek Art. How did it have such Similarity while others WEST AFRICA don't , even BINI ART couldn't be compared to ancient ILE IFE ART.

The age of the Ife heads has not yet been conclusively ascertained, but since it is practically certain that the bronze art of Benin was derived from Ife, there is some data to work on. They first came from Ife to Benin about 1280, after which it must have taken some time for this crude art to develop into the masterpieces which we know, so that the bronze art of Ife cannot have reached its zenith till the thirteenth century at the earliest.

Although both in terra-cotta and bronze the ethnic characteristics of the models are well portrayed, the works resemble the sculpture of ancient Greece or Egyptian art , rather than the culture of black Africa. The anthropologist Frobenius considered a connection with the Mediterranean sphere, and Sir Flinders Petrie in his book on ancient Egypt remarks that if any of the Ife heads had been excavated in the foreign quarter of Memphis, they would have been accepted as larger examples of the local-type. He adds: "The Memphite work cannot have come from the Niger, it is too close in touch with Persia and India; but the idea, and even the workmen, may have come from Egypt to West Africa."

IranjeIdita:
I am not interested in Egypt or Canaanite.

My lineage had nothing to do with antelope, elephant and flower sacrifice.

I know for sure Idio people are not linked to Ram & hippopotamus sacrifices too.

I AM A PROUD SON OF YORUBA RACE. AND YOU MISSED IT. WHERE DID I MENTION USES OF FLOWERS AS SACRIFICES? .I DIDN'T INFORM AT ANYWHERE THAT THEY DID USE FLOWERS AS SACRIFICES BUT AROUND THE BURIAL GROUND OF THE ANCIENT PRIESTLY FAMILIES OF BOTH OBATALA AND ODUA..... OBATALA 'S LINEAGE HAD ANTELOPE HEADS AND ELEPHANTS HEADS IS ASSOCIATED WITH THEM AS WELL AS FLOWERS (PLANTS) AND ODUA'S ANCIENTS LINEAGE BURIAL SPOT WAS ASSOCIATED WITH RAM AND HIPPOPOTAMUS(The spot are marked with stones while concentric circle forms diadems are displayed on terracotta sculptures of RAM and HIPPOPOTAMUS) . YOU KNOW NOTHING OF IT BECAUSE YOU NEVER FOR ONCE HAD KNOWLEDGE OF IT. DO YOU KNOW THE PRIESTS AND KINGS OF ANCIENT YORUBA WORE CAP LIKENED TO YARMULKE TO COVER THEIR HEADS? DO YOU KNOW THE WARRIORS TIE LEATHER AMULETS (CONJURED WORDS ) WHEN GOING FOR WAR? HOW ON EARTH CAN IT LOOKED EXACTLY LIKE CANAANITES?
years ago, when they were all stolen or broken. In Ife there is still a ram's head in granite, almost life-size, and ceremonial stools carved in single pieces from solid pieces of quartz. But it is the
terracotta sculpture (and bronzes) which show the art of ancient Ife at its best.


HAVE YOU KNOWLEDGE OF IFE SCULPTURES? HAVE YOU STUDIED THEM AT ALL? HAVE YOU COMPARE THEM LOCALLY? HAVE YOU COMPARE THEM GLOBALLY? HAVE YOU KNOWLEDGE WHERE THE STOLEN ARTIFACTS ARE ?THEY ARE IN THE COUNTRIES WHERE ARCHAEOLOGISTS HAVE BEEN DOING TO MANY RESEARCH ON THEM..... DO YOU KNOW THE DESCRIPTION OF HOW THE FIRST WORD(EL-A) WAS SPOKEN IS MORE ELABORATE THAN GENESIS 1 vs 3 ? EXPAND YOUR MINDSET AND YOU WILL UNDERSTAND MORE

IranjeIdita:
He never wore an armor, at least none that we know of or see today. In fact, if amour in your context of use refers to metal/iron worn on the body then it would have been Ogun wearing armour or Ogun making armour for Ooni but Ogun was never in Oduduwa's team.

Oduduwa in proper Ife history led the insurrection but never fought any battle. How could he have worn armour when he was in the safety of Idio town or the palace?

If Oduduwa wore armour, every Ooni elect would have to do the same during coronation processions. Every Ooni goes to Oke Ora to do/wear the same things Oduduwa & his people did and armour wearing isn't part of it.

Account said he wore protective layer on his head. Were you looking for a twenty first century Armour on his head? Of course not. There is a part I won't reveal as regards the armor. But he did....

IranjeIdita:
What is now called Opa Oranmiyan is just one of the many obelisks in Ife but it is the tallest/longest. This same opa oranmiyan obelisk with nails hammered in it shares the same markings and patterns with other shorter obelisk found around Ife. This obelisks when dated showed it was made around 350BCE which means Ife existed long before 350BCE - this means Ile Ife existed while Israel existed, both cut off from and independent of each other and neither was an offshoot of the other.

Apart from inscriptions found on these obelisks, the writings found in Ilase, Oluorogbo's town now occupied by kin kinfolks headed by Obalase are also worthy of mention and are still being worked on to be deciphered.

ARE YOU SURE ABOUT OPA ORANMIYAN? KINDLY DON'T GIVE AN INFORMATION YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT. THE RESH AND YOD OF OPA ORANMIYAN OBELISK HAS BEEN DECRYPTED. And the Obelisk is centuries older than the period of oranyan period and not 350BC or whatever date you people claim .

IranjeIdita:
Wow, all of these are very false and not even in the tiniest bit in existence.

This imaginative composition is going too far.

STUDY TO SHOW YOURSELF APPROVED....HOW MANY DYNASTY HAD RULED EGYPT BEFORE ALEXANDER GREAT CAME? DO YOU KNOW IBO LANGUAGE IS OLDER THAN YORUBA LANGUAGE? DO YOU WHERE THE OLDEST HUMAN SPECIE WAS FOUND IN AFRICA? DO YOU KNOW THAT THE CORE BANTU GROUP HAD TRACES AROUND CENTRAL NIGERIA(ADAMAWA AXIS)? DO YOU KNOW THE WORD BA' AAL WAS USED IN ANCIENT CANAAN? DON'T EVEN THINK I BELONG TO THOSE SEEKING VISA TO A TROUBLED PART OF THE WORLD. FAR FROM IT. I LOVE THE PLACE WHERE MY FOREFATHERS WERE FORCED TO MIGRATE TOWARDS.

KissChrixx:
And what are the principles of life?

GIVE WHAT BELONG TO GOD TO GOD AND GIVE WHAT BELONGS TO CESAR TO CESAR....

fanficgirl:
I don't understand these people on here. Your immature ass comes to a Nigerian forum to say dispicable prejudice things about Nigerians and you think its okay. I see your countrymen saying crap about Nigerian all the time and I don't retaliate with such hatred . You guys claim Nigerians attack first but I see the opposite. Nigerians spew all their venim on each other and Ghanaians
The average Nigerian is very ignorant of other African countries aside from Ghana and SA. Kenya is def not in their frsme of mind and what posts about Kenya?The poster makes a condescending piece about Nigerians compared to Kenyan so of course Nigerians will react
Most comments weren't even bad compared to the disgusting drivel so many of you spewed. Are you that insecure that you have to belittle Nigerians in their own forums. I hardly see Nigerians flooding into other African forums when you guys spew disgusting crap about us. This is why one African is a scam. I better not see you claiming one Africa when you listen to Nigerian movies or watch Nigerian movies. Glad to know tou hate us, kindly step off our forum then! I'm still in shock at some of these comments from hateful South Africans and Kenyans. The comments said by Nigerians were nowhere near as bad. They didn't even insult you teuly back like I expected. Too many ignorance foreigners f04
To my Nigerians. Nigeria is a failed country with wasted potential. The Southern Nigerians are one of the smartest and educated Africans as have been noted by many. Our issue is lack of governance that have turned Nigeria into a shithole and Northern Domination of the country since Lord Lugard placed them together with us in power. Thats why Nigeria is not mazimi3zing full potential !! Illiterates are in charge of us. Why is the North the most poor but has the richest Nigerians? We can't create a country with Illiterate jihadist loving idiots. Simple. Every single one of the few Southern Leaders cater to Northern elites. Look at our allocation for revenue and how too kuch go to useless Northern States!!! They are the ones helping to fuel Nigerians huge birthrate. That and Nigerias porous borders. Too many people from nejgborimg countries like Chad and Benin come and they blend in. They have more allegiance to Iran than Southern Nigerians!!! If South were to secede from the North and work out our differences, we will be the be best African Country easily ✌.
For Power supply- Nigeria can easily get constant but the elites make too mich off diesel sales!!! Thats the issue no one talks about. They purposely sabotage or don't make plans to implement constant power

Nigeria budget is low because most of the money has already been looted!!!
THE AMOUNT OF CORRUPTION IN NIGERIA IS SICKENING AND A DISGRACE. NIGERIANS OR MORE SPECIFICIALLY SN NEED TO TAKE BACK OUR DESTINY. NIGERIA SITUATION OS SHAMEFUL THOUGH THERE HAS BEEN IMPROVEMENTS EASILY NOTED. I HAVE BEEN IMPRESSED BY ENUGU FOR TRYING RECENTLY.
GDP AND POPULATION MEANS NOTHING WHEN TOO MANY OF YOUR CITIZENS LACK BASIC NECESSITIES. POPULATION IS A HINDRANCE WITH THE SMALL LANDMASS BUT ITS MOSTLY THE NORTH FAULT AS WE KNOW THEY ARE THE ONES WHO KEEP EXPLODING OUR POPULATION BUT THAT WILL BE FIXED WHEN WE LEAVE THEM AND THEY BECOME ANOTHER LAND LOCKED MUSLIM MAJORITY AFRICAN COUNTRY LIKE CHAD!!
NIGERIA HUMAN POTENTIAL IS INSANE AND UNPARALLELED
KENYA IS AHEAD OF US CURRENTLY BECAUSE THEIR GOVERNMENT WHILE CORRUPT ACTUALLY DOES SOMETHING.
TOO MANY OF YOU SEEM TO BE UNINFORMED ABOUT OILOIL AND HAVING BASE STATEMENTS THAT IF OTHER COUNTRIES HAD OIL THEY WILL BW BETTER.
LIEEE. RESOURCE CURSE EXISTS FOR A REASON AND ITS NOT JUST NIGERIA BUT COUNTRIES LIKE VENEZUELA, BHUTAN, EVEN RUSSIA TO A POINT. WITH A NATURAL RESOURCE LIKE OIL A COUNTRY BECOMES DEPENDENT ON IT AND IS LESS LIKELY TO DJVERSIFY. NIGERIA WAS DOING BETTER WHEN OIL WASN'T DISCOVERED FACT. CLAIMIMG OTHER COUNTRIES WILL DO BETTER WITH OIL IS A LIEE. SAME ISSUES WILL OCCUR
THIS ECONOMIC RECESSION IS GOOD AS IT WILL FORCE NIGERIANS TO FACE REALITY AND REALIZE WE CAN'T BE DEPENDENT ON OIL
THERE ARE GOOD IMPROVEMENTS BEING MADE IN NIGERIA AS I SAW IN MY LAST VISIT WITH INFRASTRUCTURE, ROADS, AND SLIGHTLY WITH ELECTRICITY.
SOMEONE CLAIMED NORTH WAS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE SOUTH I HAD TO CRY. THE SAME AGRICULTURAL NORTH ABOUT TO SUFFER FROM STARVATION?!! SOUTHERN NIGERIA CAN EASILY IMPORT FOOD WHEN WE BECOME INDEPENDENT AND NIGERIA GREATEST INNOVATIVE MINDS AND BRIGHTEST DIASPORANS ARE SOUTHERN. IF THEY SEE NIGERIA MAKING A CHANGE MANY WILL COME BACK.
FACT: ALL OF AFRICA COUNTRY ARE STILL NOT DEVELOPED AND THIS DICK MEASURING CONTEST IS STUPID AND I CAN'T BELIEVE SO MUCH WAS WASTED AS WE HAVE ALONG WAY TO GO.
HATS OFF TO RWANDA BEING THE CLEANEST AFRICAN CITIZENS
HATS OFF TO SA FOR GIVING BLACKS BASIC AMENTIES
HATS OFF TO KENYA FOR ITS TOURISM
SAND ONE OF THE MOST INNOVATIVE PEOPLE IN AFRICA
WE ARE OBVIOUSLY NOT ONE ANF MAY DISLIKE EACH OTHER
BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY WE ARE AFRICANS AND MUST AKNOWELDGE THIS
1/5 AFRICANS ARE NIGERIANS
TO SAY SUCH ATROCIOUS THINGS ABOUT NIGERIANS REFLECTS BADLY ON YOU AS THATS 20 PERCENT OF AFRICAS PEOPLE
WHEN WE SPLIT WE WON'T BE SO BIG THANK GOD

IT IS TRULY A SHAME... NIGERIANS ARE THE MOST EDUCATED AFRICANS DIASPORA IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. EVEN FROM SOUTH AFRICA THROUGH THE EAST, ALL THE WAY TO MIDDLE EAST, YOU WILL SEE NIGERIAN LECTURERS AND BUSINESSMEN. IT IS SO SHAMEFUL THAT MANY OF THESE KENYA'S CHILDREN DIDN'T KNOW HOW WE HELPED THEM ALL IN AFRICA. DO THEY EVEN KNOW THE COUNTRY THAT MADE CAF SUCCESSFUL? O.A.U turned A.U SUCCESSFUL? etc. Nigeria remain an amazing envy to all. South African blacks that are even lucky that they were colonised by Dutch descendants.....

gatiano:
Every Blackman and Blackwoman were born equal until 50,000 years ago. Even today, We are still born equal. Dangote is not more than one of the street urchin at Oshodi, If anything, The street urchin may be greater than Dangote. It all depends on the knowledge of Self.

I said something about Ascended Ancestors, Who are They? All Your Ascended Ancestors are all YOU. The very First One was The Originator of all heavens and planets. There are 1 billion and 8 million of Them (IB8M Originators). 560 million Males, 560 million Females. How many Black People are on Earth? There can only be just 1 billion and 8 million Black People. They can be less but can never be more.

You are that Originator, I am One of Them. I choose different personalities in every incarnation, so do You. I may choose to be a King in this, and be a poor fellow in the next, be a Dibia or Babalawo in another, die as a 5 months old baby in another. Why? I want to have those experiences. Experience is what I crave. So the notion of Kingly blood, royal blood, servant blood is very wrong and does not apply to Black People.

It is applied to non-blacks because they do not reincarnate. Our Body is The Temple of The Lord. If our Bodies is the Temple, then It must have a throne. That Throne is the Black dorminant Gene. The Black Dorminant Germ is where The Originator sit.

How many cultures have you read of Caucasians that they don't believe in reincarnation? My dear brother do you know that all forms of sorceries were practised by whites as well in the ancient times. Read more about them and you will be amazed. Broaden your mindset and be adventurous as the whites/ Caucasians were and still are till today. HE WHO LEARN FROM THE WISE BECOME WISER.... THE WHITES LEARNED FROM EGYPT AND BECAME WISER AND WHAT IS EXPECTED OF YOU IS TO LEARN FROM THE WISER ONES(Caucasians) AND BECOME WISEST....

777philosopher:
shut your mouth. learn from me.

You are indeed LUCKY! if you see me in person, you will show me respect !....... Some people have known my personality here and I won't exhibit a negative trait to betray who I AM.....Continue to make mockery of your HAMITIC BLOOD. I am not Hamitic. Lastly, I see it necessary to reaffirm my stance since you lacked absolute RESPECT. DON'T QUOTE ME AGAIN

777philosopher:
. try learn from me. I am your elder. olu317 keep calm study more about my writings.

My elder? do you know my age? you blundered again. You must be METHUSELAH!

gatiano:
I am Physically in this incarnation, I'm a Yoruba Blood. You should know that Every Black Person has Relative Ancestors and the most importantly Ancended Ancestor.
Relative Ancestors are Relations by Blood(Biological), Ancended Ancestors are by Spirits(Ancestral/Spiritual). Every BlackPerson is defined by Their Spiritual Lineages.

As such, There is nothing called Yoruba. Yoruba is the same as Dogon, as Igbo, As Fulani, As Hutu, As The Pacifics etc as long as They are Black. What differenciates Us is the language (which were derived from ONE) and the different methods by which We perform Our rituals and initiations which lead to ONE UNITY.

There is no Dark without Light, No Positive without Negative, No Male without Female. One must complement the other. The Entire Universe and all/everything in it was created From God's Character called Creative Character and Non-creative Character.

Whereever there is Bravery, its other side must be cowardy, Good/Bad etc. God kept Creative Characters (Good, Nice, Beauty, Diligence, Honesty, 144,000 of them) in one sphere or calabash (dominant gene/Black germ), The Non-creative Characters (Bad, Not Nice, Not Beauty, Disloyalness, Dishonesty , 144,000 of them) in another sphere or calabash(recessive gene/Brown germ). God kept both in His/Her body, He and She kept the brown recessive germ deep deep down within His and Her body in such a way that the characters of the brown germ will never surface.

50,000 years ago, God (He and She) decided to unleach the brown germ in order to study them and master that part of Ourselves, that part of God. 44,000 years later, God completely forgot Himself/Herself, He and She forgot Who they were. In this condition, They created the other races from Their Brown recessive germ. It was However preordained from the beginning of THIS universe.

Have You ever seen where the other races, two caucasians, two japanes, two indians gave birth to a Black baby? NO! It is impossible, That is because they lack the Black Dorminant gene/germ.

You do have theories but lacked the reality. If you so much believed in all these colour people precisely as ONE, then why did they CONQUER THEMSELVES? They subjugated the weaker communities and were made to pay even with their lives . In fact some were made to die and buried with the Kings after the King had passed on. Human beings have been more equal than one another from the beginning of time . We were not the same ideologically from the beginning .Some people were /are born as slaves. Some were/are born as Noble blood . While some were/are born as kingly blood... This is the reality of life. Black were never equal traditionally at any time in history . Show me history of the so called black race that didn't subjugated weaker communities when such had the opportunity?

777philosopher:
you are saying. what is wrong with your brain? if you don't have anything reasonable to say, then keep quiet.

You lacked manner! I find it disrespectful using a foul language on me! A grown up man will not result to insult based on ideological differences. You are BENEATH ME . You need be mindful f your derogatory words uses at people. In fact.... don't ever quote me again.

absoluteSuccess:
Ajuwase ooo.

I salute you broda.

Qmerit:
Lol broda! Good afternoon

I great you broda with humility. How are you doing?

Qmerit:
Lol broda! Good afternoon

I great you broda with humility. How are you?

777philosopher:
you talk like a child. you are still a learner.

Are you sure? But know that he that claims he knows reside in the lower state of the wise but he who knows but claims he knows not ride with Kings. How much more he that comes from a kingly LINEAGE and heavily endowed yet claims not a mighty man but HUMILITY?. IN SUCH PERSONALITY REST POWER, RESPECT AND AUTHORITY. WHAT IS YOUR ORIENTATION? PHILOSOPHY ABOUT LIFE ?

gatiano:
The opposite of evil is not God, likewise the opposite of God is devil neither is it satan. God stands alone as a Black Person. evil means not to live (Live written backwards is Evil). Devil never Lived until 6,600 years ago meaning devil has a beginning. Lived spelled backwards is devil.

I am YORUBA BLOOD AND IN OUR WORLD THERE IS DARK POWER( what you will know as negative forces) AND LIGHT POWER (positive/ good forces) . I rest my case

OlaoChi:
Sir, with all that you have said so far, I am not bragging but I know more about oduduwa than you do.

so do you know this secrecy? how did you come to know them? so if yoruba have traditions of coming from the middle-east the likes of Falola, Eluyemi cannot say but you can? why are you not respecting the tradition of secrecy if indeed you are telling the truth?

see how you quickly turn to the bible myths in a so called history thread. What is your knowledge of Yoruba tales? you seem vast in Jewish/bible myths like Tower of Babel, you haven't even thought to yourself could that be real or just an attempt by jews and their neighbours to explain the existence of different languages

How do you expect people then to believe that you are not after something? as they are after money, maybe you are too, or in deep need for relevance

@@ absoluteSuccess:

Knowledge shapes ideas, and ideas can form what the science world calls 'belief-theory' ( which you mentioned) but belief theory is not based on certainty, it must be scrutinized, thoroughly over-checked, many times rejected. You both refuse to be rejected, refuse to be scrutinized and checked. you expect to be believed without being challenged, this is not how intellectualism goes

Also there must be a source, a reason for this 'belief-theory' in the first place, this is what the Knowledge is. So what is your knowledge? When you say Yoruba must have come from the middle- east in two waves and give "Obatala led the first wave" as the source knowledge, you have already failed because Obatala led no migration. This is just an example

Are you sure dear? I disagree. Eluyemi is not part of Odua patrilineal . How can he know much? Have you heard the tale about Odua complexion? You can only share what you have and nothing more. The oldest human presence in YORUBA LAND IS 9000 years and it has never been proven to be YORUBA ANCESTRY. What are you now telling me or those that knows migration happened? have done any research on Yoruba than the whites? THE YORUBA ARTS AND TRADITION SHOWED IT ALL. Then I didn't at anywhere shared that It was at ILE IFE THE TWO MIGRATION TOOK PLACE. Far from it!. At arrival at ILE IFE IT WAS THREE HEAVY WAVES MIGRATIONS and later few ones. Take for instance. Matthew wentforth who claimed he was born in Lagos but he was from FALASAS(Israel)in Ethiopia. Kindly expose me and other learners to these info why would an ISRAELI CAME TO YORUBA LAND? . I am not on competition with you though but trying to expose the truth as I know it. Then on secrecy of some hidden facts, I do not have what you seek but if you know ILE IFE.......YOU WILL TREMBLE ..IFE OOOOOOOOOOYEEEEEE