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Oduduwaa:
I have seen it your are really obsessed with the Edos!
After when they start raining abuses on you ...u will start crying foul.
Why dont you just let this people be, Must we yorubas be the first to find trouble?
You are clearly disoriented and lack direction..... Just look at the trash u posted up.

I am Yoruba and one thing i know and admire about the Edos is their zeal and drive to preserve their culture and history of many centuries ..

The time you spend daily wanking n self juicing untop Edo matter shud be used on researching more about yoruba history or dont we yorubas av a rich history too?.... The benins are taught thier history from birth and do not need a stranger n certainly not a yoruba man to tell dem so.....Disist from Edo matter and stop this obssesion!!

You See my problem with some Yoruba is that they always want to shy away from the truth when it kept coming at you. And later in life, we keep crying foul play! foul play! foul play! There is something you failed to see and it is the future far away from this generation. That write up wasn't MINE but someone's.

And this is a man who is well known outside the shore of Nigeria. Some people live in Nigeria while many live outside Nigeria, especially non Nigerians alike whom probably had done DNA test and having Nigeria's Origin. And they pry on sites likes this and whatever you dish out that stand contrary to what they have done self research or through their mentors or Babalawos, this forum become boring and FALSE.

This has nothing to do with EDO only because I even have EDOS as cousins from maternal lineage.....NO BAD BLOOD but write the way I have seen it and from other writers perspective

Living4christ:
Now i understand why you preaching trash, you are pained, as a typical yoruba man that you are, who told you we had no history, the first west african man to write a book is name oluadah equiano, he is igbo.

You said there was no greatness in the Igbo during the precolonial era, well it will intrest you to know that Igbos had first mastered the Iron casting method of making sculptures befor britain ever knew the method. Read half of a yellow sun, for proof.

Oluadah Equiano only referred to where he came from and all that but did he ever visit? I guess that answer you on that part. Furthermore, I have observed with great disdain with the manner at which Ibos try to portray her environment pre colonial masters. In fact am tempted to believe and posit that Oluadah may even be an OSU considering the period he ended up on the other side of the Atlantic. Having affirmed this, Ibos had a life, there isn't any doubt about this but it was a society in which Elders had their way and absenteeism of monarchy system . This was the hardest way to rule a people which made it difficult for the British marauders colonialist to rule the Ibos until the introduction of warrant chiefs . Even among the warrants officers many were boot lickers and weren't from chiefly homes. I stand to be corrected if these information were wrong but I think not so. It is true that according to the findings on radio carbon test that there was an earlier settlement in Arochukwu before Ile Ife. There is even a finding that postulate that Ibo language was the“Egyptian Language " in the ancient times by some western researchers. But kingly like the Egyptians is absent in Ibo culture but present in Yoruba although different as the former connects animals worshipping as GOD in Egypt but more precisely like Levant(Israelites) pattern was what was being found in Yoruba land.

Ford, Arnold Josiah (23 Apr. 1877-16 Sept. 1935), rabbi, black nationalist, and emigrationist, was born in Bridgetown, Barbados, the son of Edward Ford and Elizabeth Augusta Braithwaite. Ford asserted that his father’s ancestry could be traced to the Yoruba tribe of Nigeria and his mother’s to the Mendi tribe of Sierra Leone. According to his family’s oral history, their heritage extended back to one of the priestly families of the ancient Israelites, and in Barbados his family maintained customs and traditions that identified them with Judaism (Kobre, 27). His father was a policeman who also had a reputation as a “fiery preacher’ at the Wesleyan Methodist Church where Arnold was baptized; yet, it is not known if Edward’s teaching espoused traditional Methodist beliefs or if it urged the embrace of Judaism that his son would later advocate.
Ford’s parents intended for him to become a musician. They provided him with private tutors who instructed him in several instruments—particularly the harp, violin, and bass. As a young adult, he studied music theory with Edmestone Barnes and in 1899 joined the musical corps of the British Royal Navy, where he served on the HMS Alert . According to some reports, Ford was stationed on the island of Bermuda, where he secured a position as a clerk at the Court of Federal Assize, and he claimed that before coming to America he was a minister of public works in the Republic of Liberia, where many ex-slaves and early black nationalists settled.
When Ford arrived in Harlem around 1910, he gravitated to its musical centers rather than to political or religious institutions—although within black culture, all three are often interrelated. He was a member of the Clef Club Orchestra, under the direction of James Reese Europe, which first brought jazz to Carnegie Hall in 1912. Other black Jewish musicians, such as Willie “the Lion” Smith, an innovator of stride piano, also congregated at the Clef Club. Shortly after the orchestra’s Carnegie Hall engagement, Ford became the director of the New Amsterdam Musical Association. His interest in mysticism, esoteric knowledge, and secret societies is evidenced by his membership in the Scottish Rite Masons, where he served as Master of the Memmon Lodge. It was during this period of activity in Harlem, he married Olive Nurse, with whom he had two children
before they divorced in 1924.

In 1917 Marcus Garvey founded the New York chapter of the Universal Negro Improvement Association [UNIA], and within a few years it had become the largest mass movement in African American history. Arnold Ford became the musical director of the UNIA choir, Samuel Valentine was the president, and Nancy Paris its lead singer. These three became the core of an active group of black Jews within the UNIA who studied Hebrew, religion, and history, and held services at Liberty Hall, the headquarters of the UNIA. As a paid officer, Rabbi Ford, as he was then called, was responsible for orchestrating much of the pageantry of Garvey’s highly attractive ceremonies. Ford and Benjamin E. Burrell composed a song called “Ethiopia,” which speaks of a halcyon past before slavery and stresses pride in African heritage—two themes that were becoming immensely popular. Ford was thus prominently situated among those Muslim and Christian clergy, including George Alexander McGuire, Chaplain-General of the UNIA, who were each trying to influence the religious direction of the organization.
Ford’s contributions to the UNIA, however, were not limited to musical and religious
direction of the organization.
Ford’s contributions to the UNIA, however, were not limited to musical and religious matters. He and E.L. Gaines wrote the handbook of rules and regulation for the paramilitary African Legion (which was modeled after the Zionist Jewish Legion) and developed guidelines for the Black Cross Nurses. He served on committees, spoke at rallies, and was elected one of the delegates representing the 35,000 members of the New York chapter at the First International Convention of Negro Peoples of the World, held in 1920 at Madison Square Garden. There the governing body adopted the red, black, and green flag as its ensign, and Ford’s song “Ethiopia” became the “Universal Ethiopian Anthem,” which the UNIA constitution required be sung at every gathering. During that same year, Ford published the Universal Ethiopian Hymnal. Ford was a proponent of replacing the term “Negro” with the term “Ethiopian,” as a general reference to people of African descent. This allowed the biblical verse “Ethiopia shall soon stretch out her hand to God,” (Psalm 68:3) to be interpreted as applying to their efforts and it became a popular slogan of the organization. At the 1922 convention, Ford opened the proceedings for the session devoted to “The Politics and Future of the West Indian Negro,” and he represented the advocates of Judaism on a five-person ad hoc committee formed to investigate “the Future Religion of the Negro.” Following Garvey’s arrest in 1923, the UNIA loss much of its internal cohesion. Since Ford and his small band of followers were motivated by principals that were independent of Garvey’s charismatic appeal, they were repeatedly approached by government agents and asked to testify against Garvey at trial, which they refused to do. However, in 1925, Ford brought separate law suits against Garvey and the UNIA for failing to pay him royalties from the sale of recordings and sheet music, and in 1926 the judge ruled in Ford’s favor. No longer musical director, and despite his personal and business differences with the organization, Rabbi Ford maintained a connection with the
UNIA and was invited to give the invocation at
the annual convention in 1926.
Several black religious leaders were experimenting with Judaism in various degrees between the two world wars. Rabbi Ford formed intermittent partnerships with some of these leaders. He and Valentine started a short lived congregation called Beth B’nai Israel. Ford then worked with Mordecai Herman and the Moorish Zionist Temple, until they had an altercation over theological and financial issues. Finally, he established Beth B’nai Abraham in Harlem in 1924. A Jewish scholar who visited the congregation described their services as “a mixture of Reform and Orthodox Judaism, but when they practice the old customs they are seriously orthodox” (Kobre, 25). Harlem chronicler James VanDerZee photographed the congregation with the Star of David and bold Hebrew lettering identifying their presence on 135th Street and showing Rabbi Ford standing in front of the synagogue with his arms around his string bass, and with members of his choir at his side, the women wearing the black dresses and long white head coverings that became their distinctive habit and the men in white turbans.
In 1928, Rabbi Ford created a business adjunct to the congregation called the B’nai Abraham Progressive Corporation. Reminiscent of many of Garvey’s ventures, this corporation issued one hundred shares of stock and purchased two buildings from which it operated a religious and vocational school in one and leased apartments in the other. However, resources dwindled as the Depression became more pronounced, and the corporation went bankrupt in 1930. Once again it seemed that Ford’s dream of building a black community with cultural integrity, economic viability, and political virility was dashed, but out of the ashes of this disappointment he mustered the resolve to make a final attempt in Ethiopia. The Ethiopian government had been encouraging black people with skills and education to immigrate to Ethiopia for almost a decade, and Ford knew that there were over 40,000 indigenous black Jews already in Ethiopia (who called themselves Beta Israel, but who were commonly referred to as Falasha). The announced coronation of Haile Selassie in 1930 as the first black ruler of an African nation in modern times raised the hopes of black people all over the world and led Ford to believe that the timing of his Ethiopian colony was providential.
Ford arrived in Ethiopia with a small musical contingent in time to perform during the coronation festivities. They then sustained themselves in Addis Abba by performing at local hotels and relying on assistance from supporters in the United Sates who were members of the Aurienoth Club, a civic group of black Jews and black nationalists, and members of the Commandment Keepers Congregation, led by Rabbi W. A. Matthew, Ford’s most loyal protégé. Mignon Innis arrived with a second delegation in 1931 to work as Ford’s private secretary. She soon became Ford’s wife, and they had two children in Ethiopia. Mrs. Ford established a school for boys and girls that specialized in English and music. Ford managed to secure eight hundred acres of land on which to begin his colony and approximately one hundred individuals came to help him develop it. Unbeknownst to Ford, the U.S. State Department monitored Ford’s efforts with irrational alarm, dispatching reports with such headings as “American Negroes in Ethiopia—Inspiration Back of Their Coming Here—‘Rabbi’ Josiah A. Ford,” and instituting discriminatory policies to curtail the travel
of black citizens to Ethiopia.
Ford had no intention of leaving Ethiopia, so he drew up a certificate of ordination ( shmecha ) for Rabbi Matthew that was sanctioned by the Ethiopian government in the hope that this document would give Matthew the necessary credentials to continue the work that Ford had begun in the United States. By 1935 the black Jewish experiment with Ethiopian Zionism was on the verge of collapse. Those who did not leave because of the hard agricultural work, joined the stampede of foreign nationals who sensed that war with Italy was imminent and defeat for Ethiopia certain. Ford died in September, it was said, of exhaustion and heartbreak, a few weeks before the Italian invasion. Ford had been the most important catalyst for the spread of Judaism among African Americans. Through his successors, communities of black Jews emerged and survived in several American cities.

HOW TRUE CAN THIS BE?

A case for the Edo/Idu people as the Biblical Edomites
Sometime during the afternoon of September 21, 2011 I was contemplating about the connection, if any between the biblical Edomites and the Edo/Idu people of Nigeria. Then I received the answer – the red colour.
Many people have wondered what happened to the Biblical Edomites after Hell enist ( Amorite /Greco-Roman/West) conquest.

Some have assumed that Satan’s synagogue who are the Jews are the Edomites, some have argued instead for the Caucasians/Amorites. Such assumptions are misleading as the implication is that Isaac ( Ajaka ) and Rebecca (Abẹkẹ?) had as ibeji ( Aku for twins) a black man (Aku; re-lexified to Jacob) and an Amorite/Caucasian (Esau). Another proof that the Edomites are not Amorites is the biblical prophecy of Ezekiel 25 where it is mentioned that the people of the east who are the Amorites that took over Mesopotamia would invade the lands of the nations of the Levant, of which Edom is one, and displace the indigenous inhabitants.

In order to identify the extant descendants of Esau it is best to consider cultural patterns associated with the eponymous ancestor and his descendants as recorded in the bible. The RED colour stands out as the most useful marker:
When he was born “he came out red” (Genesis 25:25) – most likely he had a reddish-brown skin tone.
He was also called Edom because of a red stew which, according to Genesis 25:30, he liked to consume, perhaps his favourite. Aku was aware of this trait (Genesis 25:29-30) and perhaps used it to his advantage in getting the birth right.

The nation that came out of him was known to the Greeks as Idumea or red people.
Scholars have noted that Edom territory or Idumea is marked by the presence of reddish sandstone. Perhaps Esau (aka Edom) settled in that territory because of his innate attraction to the red colour (Genesis 36: 6-.
In Isaiah 63:1-3 the Saviour who is Eshumare ( Èshú ), is described as dressed like an Edomite after dealing with the Edomites because his white garment became dyed with blood which is of red colour.

Remarkably, the Edo people and their Edoid/Igboid descendants in southern Nigeria also share this peculiar attraction for the red color. They are the people of the Benin Kingdom located just east and south-east of the Aku (common name for the chosen heirs of Oduduwa; a.k.a ọmọ Oodua or offspring of Oodua/Oduduwa) territory with whom common history and traditions is a known fact.
They wear red attires with lots of red beads as seen in the pictures from
http://www.nairaland.com and video below.
This has been their distinctive marker amongst Nigerian peoples.

The ancient name of Edo is Idu, the name of their progenitor is Idu, and her people bear names with Idu as prefix or just Idu.
In Nigeria, their homeland is the region of highest cultivation of the oil palm (Elaeis guineensis) from which the reddish-orange palm oil is derived; they, along with the
Igbo who appropriated their culture and were ejected from the Edo kingdom in 1748, dominate the palm oil market as they are the largest wholesalers and retailers.

A lot of violent crimes including cult activities take place in their homeland with the attendant bloodletting.
They have always sought to annex the territory of the ọmọ Oodua and claim to be their seniors.

They were sacked by the same set of Amorites , that is, British/Babylonians, a repeat of history.
However, the Edo people seem not to know their pre-16 or 900 CE history which may be due to lack of publicly available written records upon migration into West Africa from the Levant, just like the Aku people, and/or a deliberate attempt at dissociation from the Esau and related prophecies.

Other similarities unrelated to the red colour include:
Edo is situated southeast of Aku territory, just as the biblical Edom
According to Amos 9:12, ọmọ Oodua would possess the remnant of Edom at the end of the 4th age; this re-occurred during the present 6th age from the 12 century CE when Ọranmiyan who is Aku and the orisha of the irunmọlẹ called Osoosi, an Aku prince, ambassador and later king, became ruler of the Edo people upon their request and approval by Ifa; he established his son from an Edo princess as the Oba (king) of Edo, thus re-establishing the Oba dynasty, and some Edo peoples like the Esan, Isoko, Urhobo etc later emigrated from Edo.

In the Book of Jasher is the narrative of how Esau was beheaded near the tomb of Aku (Jacob) who is Ọranyan/Ọranmiyan (Orion) and his head remained with Aku’s children while the Edomites ran away with the headless body of their ancestor. Fast-forward to the 12 century CE when Ọranmiyan (same person; atunwa/reincarnate) was sent to become Oba of Edo and establish a dynasty. Whenever an Oba (Oranmiyan’s descendant) slept his head was taken to a site in Ile-Ifẹ (spiritual home of the Aku; corresponding to Jerusalem) called
Ọrun Ọba Ado ( resting place of Edo kings).
Just as Esau and the Biblical Edomites were associated with dubiousness and ancient envy against the Aku, the Edo have not stopped fabricating tales to distort history and justify their crave for seniority.

Ajaka (re-lexified to Isaac) told Esau that he would live by the sword (Genesis 27:40). The royal symbols of authority in Edo are the ceremonial swords, and the Isoko and Igbo threaten a lot with their cutlasses and machetes.

Ajaka had two sons, Ọranmiyan (Jacob) and Ado (Edo/Edom) who became Alado (king) of Ado (Aku for Edo). Ọranmiyan, though the younger, inherited the land while the Ado/Edo was sent away (Genesis 36:6-7). Isẹdalẹ, the other name for Ado/Edo, is a compound name with the main part Isẹas the actual pronunciation of Esau .

A crude translation of Isẹdalẹ could be ‘the first to arrive on earth’ which indicates that he was the first of the twins to be delivered.
The do in Ado/Edo is translated as copulation or the satisfaction of sexual desires or reward-seeking behavior, and Ado/Edo refers to a person of lewd character. It turns out that such propensities are exhibited by do paminergic individuals of which associated behaviors include preference for instant gratification. Unsurprisingly, the people of Edo, including other former Edo peoples like the Etsako, Isoko and Urhobo, are known for their peculiarly high promiscuity and prostitution used for the acquisition of material rewards, and their women are of extremely pretty countenance. Italy has been a notorious destination for many Edo girls and women to engage in prostitution, both voluntarily and otherwise.

Non-Edo men have testified of the propensity of these females to give in to the satisfaction of sexual desires, especially since expatriates moved to the Niger Delta area and the associated prospects of acquiring oil dollars. The impact on the Edoid peoples nonetheless has been a consistently high level of violence as warned in Leviticus 19:29. There are lots of children without true identities, who have not known their fathers, and who are half-castes; children of iniquity. Violent crimes including abductions frequently occur and are not limited to politics. Youths, especially of higher education institutions, and elders are members of violent cult groups.

Thankfully, Eshumare has been showing them
mercy (cf. Numbers 24; Isaiah 11:14; Amos
The name Edom is false as it is actually Edo, and does not immediately translate to red as the translation in the bible is one of the many such mischievous and/or delusional re-lexifications by the Amorites (Gentiles/oyinbo) of the bible. This is proof that the use of the delusional translation of the name Edom based on its -d-m consonants to translate the biblical Adam is fictitious (Amorite academic fallacy and his-story – white supremacists’ distorted accounts of times gone by) as the Adamọ/Adimu is the actual name and unlike Edo it possesses an -m- consonant. Edo
and Adam does not mean red but the red colour is associated globally with lust and violence (blood-letting). “Edo” probably means “the dopaminergic/lewd/carnal one”.

The association of violence and reward-seeking behavior with Ado/ Edo is seen in the account of Genesis 25:29-34 when Isẹ went hunting and returned home quite famished, but Ọranmiyan, taking advantage of the situation after perhaps having observed over time his brother’s high dopamine activity, gave him (Isẹ) some red stew in exchange for his (Isẹ’s) birth right ( Genesis 25:29-34). The aftermath of this episode was that Isẹ was thereafter called Edo, perhaps by his parents who had probably been noticing the same high dopamine activity.

Many people around the world seek to discover their talents, their niches. That of the Edo is quite simple to identify as it is that peculiar drive which so far has been channeled towards lewdness, as seen in the number of Edo persons trafficked continually to Europe for prostitution, the highest in Nigeria. Perhaps they can effectively tackle this by coming together to find their niche where this drive can be positively channeled for the benefit of their society. It could have been such that brought fame and splendour to the former Benin kingdom from the 14th to 18th century CE.

COURTESY; FEYISETAN OPEYEMI – aka ORISHA AGANJU

Oduduwaa:
Point of correction you are clearly emotional about this....theres no need to feel inferiority complex...... Benin Empire history is very reaserched by europeans and whites.....Because i am yoruba would never make me lie.....I am proud of the Edos and every other tribes that stand out in this country....

Now you are wrong again and you sound autocratic! AM I EMOTIONAL? If am wrong, MENTION AUTHORS WHO HAD STUDIED BINI LANGUAGE IN COMPARISON WITH EITHER EGYPT OR ISRAEL/MIDDLE EAST HISTORY. IF YOU KNOW an id @MACOF ON THIS FORUM, THEN YOU CAN SEARCH OUT MY WRITE UP AGAINST HIS AS IT REGARD YORUBA CONNECTIONS TO ISRAEL. BUT AT A POINT, PERHAPS FROM HIS PERSPECTIVE OF MUSLIMS BACKGROUND OR SOMETHING ELSE WHEN HE TRIED TO COUNTER MY VIEWS AND HE USED A NEGATIVE WORD ON ME BEFORE I COULD REFER WESTERN AUTHORS TO HIM EVEN GREAT YORUBA PHILOLOGIST MAN LIKE MODUPE ODUYOYE' BOOK ; SONS GODS AND DAUGHTERS OF MEN , I DIDN'T REPLY THAT MESSAGE AFTER HE USED THAT FOUL LANGUAGE ON ME and told me not to quote him again BECAUSE HE IS A YORUBA. I LOVE EVERYBODY BUT MY ETHNICITY FIRST AND OTHERS FOLLOW. In that book, you will see certain words in similarities with Israel Biblical perspective's GOD concept from Genesis 1 creation. However, my opinion stand out as Bible isn't the final stop on archaeological related findings BUT EVIDENCE OF THOSE THINGS VIS A VIS RUBBLES, STRUCTURE, INSCRIPTION, TOMBS etc.........and it seems you didn't read my messages very well. I mentioned my reason for dishing out insult. THIS IS MY OWN FIRST RULE, THOU SHALL NOT INSULT ME. How can someone insult another person he or she hasn't met?. ONCE SOMEONE DO SUCH , I REPLY.. PERIOD

Oduduwaa:
If you insult me trust egbon mi i will insult x20...... Wat kind of a foolish elder are you running around nairaland trowing vulgar insults around and bringing disgrace to yoruba nation.
It was you ppl who started all this the Edos didnt......STOP THIS U CLEARLY KNOW NOTHING!!

Now, you used an “insult" word again. However, I will refrain because I am cultured. I don't run around Nairaland as it seems. You erred again. Learn to take time to dish out when dealing with people. I restrained my comment to certain forum on Nairaland. I don't dabble into what I don't know. I am very vast on all topic I pick on except I don't want to mention the writers. I have restriction on whom I quote,it is called PRINCIPLE. I am emotional about issue but don't write or say things out of context. I spend many times to search and study before I dish out because I AM A WRITER. i don't close my eyes to critic or too egocentric to be called a TYRANT. I read from different authors and whoever I have read from never at anytime draw my views from at least three or more celebrated FOREIGN writers BEING 3/4 of my sources.. I DON'T KNOW YOU BUT I AM GENEALOGICAL FROM ODUA LINEAGE/DESCENDANTS . THE SWORD OF PRINCE HOOD IS MY FAMILY HOUSE FROM ILE IFE. NOW DO SEE WHY I MUST KNOW MY LINEAGE HISTORY? My dear, count me out of this issue among surfers who has no positive mission. If you do your statistical analysis very well, you will realise millions surf this site either of diaspora or local Yoruba descents even non Yoruba alike. So, I know my my onion...

Oduduwaa:
This is very true!!

.THERE IS NOTHING TRUE ABOUT THE FALSIFIED LIES BEING PEDDLED ALL AROUND BY THESE PEOPLE CALLING ODUA, A FAKE NAME CALLED EKERLADARAN, THERE IS AN INSCRIPTION ON OBELISK OF ORANMIYAN. RANGING FROM SCULPTURE,IRON SMELTING, BID MAKING, CLOTH WEAVING ARE ALL LEARNT FROM ILE IFE. THIS TESTIFY TO TRUTH ABOUT YORUBA BEING LEAD BY ODUA OUTSIDE YORUBA LAND. I REPEAT, ODUA HAD A CROWN CALLED “AARE" CROWN. IS IT POSSIBLE FOR SOMEONE NOT TO REMEMBER WHERE HE CAME FROM? THE PROGENITOR OF YORUBA'S NAME WAS ADUA, ADIMULA,, THE WORD OLU, JE' O BA (OBA) ISN'T IGODOMOGODO? OOFIN/AAFIN ISN'T BINI NAME, OGISO IS A FIVE LETTERS WORD SO EASY TO PRONOUNCE OR REMEMBER. HOW WAS IT THAT ODUA DIDN'T REMEMBER OR TO WANT TO VISIT HIS PLACE OF ORIGIN? IN THE WORLD RESEARCHING OF ETHNICITY, IT IS PRACTICALLY IMPOSSIBLE ESPECIALLY AFTER SUCH HAD AQUIRED SO MANY PROPERTIES AND SUBJECTS e. g in the Bible as a case study, ESAU VISITING JACOB(IS' RA' EL) IN THE WORLD HISTORY OF ETHNICITY, THEY DON'T EVEN TALK ABOUT BINI, EXCEPT AS IT REGARDS BINI LANGUAGE FROM GOING INTO EXTINCTION . THE WORLD RESEARCHERS IN THE PAST OR PRESENT DON'T EVEN RECOGNIZE THEM APART FROM THE THE BRITISH LOOTING THEIR ARTIFACTS IN THE DEAD OF 1890S . THIS IS MY PROBLEM WITH MANY YORUBAS BECAUSE OF NONCHALANT ATTITUDE ABOUT OUR APPROACH TO OUR HISTORY. YET YORUBA IS THE MOST RESEARCHED ETHNICITY IN THE WORLD BEING DONE BY FOREIGNERS IN OUR BEHALF . THERE ARE FIVE ALIKE OF ORANMIYAN OBELISKS IN THE WORLD. DOES THIS HAVE A MEANING? IT HAS A MEANING BECAUSE THERE IS A HIEROGLYPH ON IT. DO BINI HAVE ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN IGODOMOGODO? NO, THEY DON'T. YET THEY WANT TO EQUATE YORUBA WITH BINI ON SAME LEVEL. STILL THE AMERICANS /EUROPEAN RESEARCHERS HAVE DONE SO MANY TREMENDOUS WORK ON YORUBA VIS A VIZ, LOST TRIBES OF ISRAEL AND STILL CONTINUE TO SO DO. I HAVE NEVER SEEN “BINI"BEING MENTIONED IN ANY OF THESE RESEARCHES.

Oduduwaa:
You are making a fool of yourself and the yoruba nation stop this nonsense now!
Do not bring yoruba nation into ur baseless banter pls u r embarrasing us

If not because You claim to be a Yoruba , I would have insulted YOU! Even you that try to persuade me to sheathe my negative word on that uncultured animal, used a foul word on me. “How do you mean, making fool of yourself" and embarrassing Yoruba?, CAN SOMEONE REFER NEGATIVELY TO YOUR FATHER OR MOTHER WITHOUT YOU DISHING OUT NEGATIVE WORDS ON HIM OR HER? DO YOU THINK I AM IN MY IN 30s? Very before you conclude! However, I had finished up with him on my last message sent before you sent this message. But you need be weary before you send messages because every word spoken or written has multiple meanings to the listener or the reader. MY FIRST RULE IS “DON'T INSULT ME", but I chose not to insult or use vulgar words against you because of your YORUBA CLAIMED IDENTITY. Else my rains of insult come against such personality. Period!

opal4real:
No need to get angry by yelling. This is a statement of fact, just ask your mo.ther how many men she slept with before you were conceived and how many men d.ick was hitting your amala head when you were still in her womb.

Getting angry over you? You are a degraded fool. Didn't I tell you not to quote me again? WERE YOU BITTEN BY A MAD DOG OR YOU BIT A MAD DOG? Look at this psychological unstable lunatic with no future. So you can be so daft not to differentiate between COURT AND LUNATIC? certainly you need anti rabid injection to suppress your dog imbibe character. Unlettered pathetic dead head

opal4real:
You are indeed a mor.on. Go do a paternity test, only kids with many fathers reason this way. You refer to 1998 as olden days? Your I.Q is indeed lower than that of a kindergarten.
I wont waste my precious time educating you on why and how the mock battle came into being,i will do that without quoting you so you keep swimming in the cesspit of ignominy.

Eleeribu Omo Ale ako ibi abi iko abi ma ni iyè. Eni a ki nji ri Eni a Ki ji ko. Omo ti ko niran. A stupid fellow that has no respect for people. Is it because I didn't reveal my identity at will. How old were you in 1998?, Eleeribu omo lasan Ekeji Aja. Gbogbo eniyan ni ègbè è. You even have the gut to refer me to 1998. Uneducated Bastard like you didn't know the difference between olden days and 1998 when you don't understand English. Hence you quote me again,THUNDER WILL FIRE YOUR GENERATION TILL INFINITY. Awon ako ti ilé ta gbo gbo.

opal4real:
You are indeed a mor.on. Go do a paternity test, only kids with many fathers reason this way. You refer to 1998 as olden days? Your I.Q is indeed lower than that of a kindergarten.
I wont waste my precious time educating you on why and how the mock battle came into being,i will do that without quoting you so you keep swimming in the cesspit of ignominy.

YOUR FATHER IS A slowpoke! YOUR MOTHER IS A BASTARD!!YOUR PATRILINEAL AND MATRILINEAL ARE PERPETUAL MAD GENERATIONS!!!

Living4christ:
How may events have you known prove what you are saying before colonization, how many lands did the Igbos invade before the white men came? Have you ever wondered why we did not invade our neighbours and claimed their land? It is because be believe in live and let's live, that is why we were contended with ours

YOU HAD NO HISTORY UNTIL WHITE MEN CAME. IN FACT REV. SAMUEL AJAYI CROWTHER (LATE) DID JUSTICE IN HELPING YOU STANDARDISING YOUR LANGUAGE. TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION PROPERLY, YOU WERE EGALITARIAN IN YOUR SOCIETY, SO THAT DIDN'T GIVE YOU GREAT STRENGTH BECAUSE YOU TRULY HAD NO KINGLY ORGANISATION. HOWEVER, PART OF THE PLACES YOU MIGRATED TO IN LAGOS HAS ALMOST TURNED TO YOUR PROPERTIES WITH LAGOS AS NO MAN'S LAND THEORY ,IF NOT OF THE SOPHISTICATION OF THE YORUBA PEOPLE. IN FACT YOUR PEOPLE ARE EVEN CLAIMING ILE IFE AS HAVING IBOS AS ABORIGINES .. ISN'T IT LAUGHABLE?

Ooni:
brother i am not Ibo even though i wish i were. I am still proud of our heritage of which having a drainage channel on our cheeks is a unique expression.

YOU BETTER KEEP AWAY FROM THE“KPO SISOR" PEOPLE. IT'S NOT WORTH IT BRO, AT ALL, NOT WORTH IT. IF YOU READ THE STORY OF MAJOR VICTOR BANJO. A MAN WHO SHARED THE SAME SENTIMENT WITH ODUMEGWU AND OVER RAN BINI AND POSITION HIMSELF. AND WHILE HE WAS CONSOLIDATING,HE WAS TERMED A TRAITOR. AND WAS ACCUSED OF TREASONOUS OFFENCE WITHOUT PROPER TRIAL. HE WAS KILLED.( just imagine what would had been going in the mind of that man at that moment, if not regret for fighting a war that didn't concerned him)THE IDIOTS THOUGHT ALL YORUBA BORE MARKS LIKE OYO AND THEY SAW HELL THEREAFTER. IS THAT THE KIND PEOPLE YOU WANT TO DINE WITH?, THE SAME PEOPLE THAT LEFT THEIR ABODE FOR A GREENER PASTURES AND THEN WANT TO TURN ANOTHER MAN'S LAND INTO THEIR TERRITORY. YORUBA ROONU JOOR. DO YOU KNOW WHAT AGUIYI IRONSI DID TO AWOLOWO WHEN HE WAS MADE THE HEAD OF STATE? THESE PEOPLE ARE LIKE FULANIS, THEY ALWAYS WANT OTHERS TO BE ASSIMILATED INTO THEIR TRIBE AND BY SO DOING ACQUIRING OTHER PEOPLE'S PROPERTIES IN A CUNNING WAY. YOU DARE NOT NEAR THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE THE REAL BACK STABBERS.

opal4real:
Where is Utantan Kingdom? The guy parading himself as the Ogiamen representative is a lunatic, who was granted bail not quite long. The last one who challenged the throne woke up one morning and started walking barefooted to an unknown place, till date he has not been seen. Educate yourself and read widely the ekhiokpagha treaty has nothing to do with the trash above.

Tell us your version of where Oduduwa came from,cos I know you have several version of that story but the Benin's have one,you can agree or disagree but we all know the truth.

WE KNOW HOW PEOPLE DISAPPEARED IN THE OLDEN DAYS, DO YOU? ARE YOU IN DENIAL OF THE MOCK BATTLE BETWEEN OGIAMIEN FAMILY AND THE NEW OBA TO BE CORONATED IN EVERY NEW EMERGING OBA IN BINI KINGDOM ? YOU CALL A MAN “COURT OF APPEAL"IN BENIN CITY GAVE AN ATTENTION AND STAY TO PROCEED ON HIS CASE AGAINST THE OBA BINI, A LUNATIC?. HOW ON EARTH DO YOU REASON? A COURT IN THE CAPACITY OF COURT OF APPEAL. THERE IS MORE THAN MEET THE EYES. I AM NOT INTERESTED IN DEALING WITH YOU OR YOUR LIKES ON THIS MATTER ANYMORE

ddippset:
yes peaceful and democratic atmosphere very conducive for looting. Osinbajo would be good for the big men in abuja to continue holding hands and having banquets. We need baba to make these big men scared. Buhari s anti corruption war is far from perfect but it has put fear in certain quarters.

PMB witch-hunt his enemies only and not to every corrupt men and women in Nigeria who had held political positions in the past. This is my grouse with PMB. He does things with two sides of his mouth. He is practically unfit as far as I am concerned because he PROMISED SOMETHING AND DID ANOTHER THING ENTIRELY. Take for instance, one of the most corrupt politician in the North East in the person of, ALLI M. SHERIFF, who stole Billions of Naira when he was governor of Borno state but nothing has been done to him. If you have heard any tangible charges against kindly let us know. He is even in a party parading himself as the chairman of that party although this doesn't concern me because the party I had thought was the right party is doing something different at the federal level in Nigeria. Do you know ALLI M. IS AN IN-LAW TO PMB?. This is the reality on ground. Peace lead to development of a people. Once people thinking faculty function properly, either at government level or citizens level, productivity set in. By and large there will be needed development. Do you even know how long it take to register a company in Nigeria for incorporation?Is it the Power sector, where you have ex military head of state and the likes owning Distribution companies all over the places and yet they can't invest money in Power sector. And PMB refused to sell it outrightly because of Northern and some southern powers but pretended to be fighting corruption. Even if Fashola spend eight years, he will FAIL in the power sector in hundred fold times. And PMB as president did see all these but chasing after shadows in the name of corruption....Nigerian do not have a PRESIDENT YET who think and want development.

AshiwajuFoward:
LMAO! Abeg who your 'like' epp? Who una be? You people are insignificant in the wider scheme of things. There's absolutely NOTHING Edo state or your overrated benin crown has to offer Yorubaland to warrant any such desire to identify with you lots. Economically, Educationally, Socially, Developmentally, Culturally, Industrially, Resource-wise, Landmass, you just name it, WE ARE MILES AHEAD OF YOU LOUTS. Your Benin city (the only part of the state worth mentioning) is a cesspit; no development, no future, very dry and boring as fvck. All your women have to go to italy to hustle as Oloshos/glorified prostitutes to stand any chance of survival, while your men are lazy louts. What on God's green earth could you lots offer to Yorubas that would make us care if you 'dislike' us?? Pray tell. Don't flatter yourself bittch. I feel like smacking any Yoruba who tries to form attache with you insignificant lots. Infact God punish any Yoruba person that tries to form any useless attache with you punks. You guys are beneath us in every ramification. *Spits on this thread*

Please tell those ranting toothless scallywags with no brains! Their babes are the worst whores I have seen in my LIFE, always in the business of executive “RUNS" JAM hustling. You will find them in ITALY, SPAIN, KUWAIT, OMAR, LIBYA EGYPT,even within West African francophone countries etc.. A disgrace to any TRIBE.

mapet:
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Some of you fart through your brains!!!!

1. Are these mentioned ex-governors the ministry of power......that they left power worse than the met it?
2. Fact Check: Tinubu's govt built the first IPP in this country, but I guess you will not know, either you're living in denial or you were in nursery school.

Do you mind them? When Tinubu was toiling all around to increase the power generation in Lagos State when he brought ENRON to boost the supply of electricity. These wicked and ungrateful people were part of the saboteurs as well as their lieutenants up North because of generators sales and the likes. Whether they like it or not Lagos will BULLDOZE through their heads to success. Odua nation moving forward. Gov. Ambode, CONTINUER LE BON TRAVAIL.

nisai:
Pls stop quoting that character; she is a troll. Notice what she's been posting for day- " Trash as usual".

SOME OF THESE EDO CHAPS AND BINI CHIEFS ARE WILLING TO GIVE SOME HALLUCINATING EMPTY BRAINS THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE MOCKERY OF YORUBA CLAIMS. THIS IS MY REASON TO EVEN BRING OUT THE FACT OF OGIAMIEN FAMILY WHO WHERE THE LINEAGE OF THE OGISO DYNASTY. AND EVEN THESE PALACE CHIEFS HAVE NEARLY DESTROYED THE EVIDENCE IF NOT BECAUSE THE EXISTENCE OF THE OGIAMEN FAMILY. THEY EVEN TRY TO SILENCE THEM WHEN THERE WAS A DISCORD BETWEEN THEM AND THE PALACE. IF ORANMIYAN MARRIE FROM THAT LINEAGE, DOES IT MAKE ORANMIYAN A BINI MAN? WILL THE SON NOT BELONG TO HIS FATHER AGAIN? JUST IMAGINE THESE PEOPLE TWISTING HISTORY TO SUIT THEMSELVES. MILLIONS OF PEOPLE THRONG TO DIFFERENT SITES TO READ ABOUT DIFFERENT ETHNICITY HISTORY,YORUBA HISTORY INCLUDED AND HERE WE ARE HAVING SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT ORANMIYAN. THUS CALLING HIM ONE USELESS AND FACELESS EKALEDARAN OR WHATEVER BUSH NAME THEIR DEAD AND COWARDICE WORMY AND UNFIT MAN THAT BEGGED FOR LIFE BEFORE HE WAS FREED BY A SLAVE MEANT TO KILL . I DID THIS FOR THE BENEFITS OF DOUBT TO ANYONE WHO DECIDES TO GO THROUGH MY PREVIOUS INFO AND QUOTE OF THE OBA KING WHO TRIED TO PLAY POLITICS AND ECONOMICAL WITH TRUTH WILL KNOW THAT THERE IS A FAMILY LINEAGE CALLED OGIAMIEN WHO WERE DESCENDANTS OF OGISO OR BETTER STILL THE RULER THAT WAS BEFORE ORANMIYAN CAME FROM ILE IFE WITH HIS ESCORT,WARRIORS AND PRIESTS WHO (ORANMIYAN AND CO) WERE KNOWN AS STRANGERS IN ANCIENT IGODOMOGODO TURNED TO ILE UBINU/IBINU TO BINI.



THANKS BRO. I REST THIS CASE AS IT CONCERNS KINGSHIP LINEAGE OF OBA BINI.

Ela is part of the Orunmila complex. Orunmila can be considered the anthropomorphic representation of Olodumare’s wisdom - ogbon, knowledge – imo, and understanding – oye; the most powerful particles or elements in the earth-dust or droppings. Orunmila’s connection to Ori is fundamental to the Ori complex. He is “Eleri Ipin”, the deity of fate. He was present at the moment of creation, and thus knows the fate of every Ori. He acts as the mediator between a person and their Ori through his ability to speak the words of Ifa as they relate to the individual Ori and its destiny. Ifa is the Oracle. Ela is that invisible energy that moves between the oracle and Orunmila, and between Ori and Olodumare – the umbilical cord. Ela is Oro after it hits the primordial abyss. Oro, as primordial matter, has an innate urge to communicate.
The oro that drops from the elderly is stupendous
It was divined for oro-oro-oro
Who did not have anyone to communicate with and started groaning
HOORO, HOO-ORO! (Ogbon, Imo, Oye, descend!)
Olodumare made HOO (Ogbon, Imo, Oye)
HOO descended to become Hoo-ro (I can’t help but notice the similarity between Hoo-ro and Horus)
Ela made Oro digestible and useful to human needs
Ela is the manifestation of the primal urge to communicate. It is the link between human and God; human and human; and human and the universe. This extensionistic conception, prevalent in all religions, is Oro, which manifested is Ela. Its individual manifestation is Ori. The Snail can be viewed as the principle of natural extensionism which forms a basis for that which can be seen and that which cannot; the physical Ori (your skull), and Ori-inu (consciousness, soul). There is a Yoruba phrase, Ori-Ooro, which means, “head at dawn,” dawn being the beginning obviously.

Thus, Ori is Oro, and Oro is Ori:
Ori lo nda eni
Esi ondaye Orisa lo npa eni da
O npa Orisa da
Orisa lo pa nida
Bi isu won sun
Aye ma pa temi da
Ki Ori mi ma se Ori
Ki Ori mi ma gba abodi
Ori is the creator of all things
Ori is the one that makes everything happen, before life happens
He is the Orisa that can change humans
No one can change the Orisa
Ori, the Orisa that changes the life of man with baked yam (abundance)
Aye*, do not change my fate (* Aye - unity of the forces of good and evil)
Ori do not let people disrespect me
Ori do not let me be disrespected by anyone
My Ori, do not accept evil
This extensionalistic concept (from God to human), that our Ori is composed of a portion of Oro (each Ori receives a portion with its own special combination of elements contained in the earth-dust – oro - from the snail shell, thus each ori’s individuality) is further elucidated in the sayings, Ori lo da ni, enikan o d’Ori o (It is the Head that created us; nobody created the Head), and Ori eni, l’Eleda eni (one’s Head is one’s Creator), and also in the following oriki:
Ori lo da mi
Eniyan ko o
Olorun ni
Ori lo da mi
Ori is my Creator
It is not man
It is Olorun (Olodumare)
Ori is my Creator
Olodumare made Hoo, which is comprised of three of the most powerful elements contained in the “earth-dust” sprinkled from the Snail shell – Ogbon (wisdom), Imo (knowledge), and Oye (understanding). “Ro” means descend, as in the chant, Ela ro, Ela ro, Ela ro. It is said that Olodumare created Ogbon, Imo and Oye as an intermediary force for creating more beings. IT tried to find a place for them to live, but they came back to IT, humming, and Olodumare swallowed them. They hummed inside IT for millennia, so IT had to get rid of them. Olodumare ordered them to “ro” descend, saying, “hoo-ro.” Oro, the solid matter, melted and was suspended in mid-air like jelly. Oro then dropped and “la” cracked into a new state called E-la, or Ela. Ela (the Spirit of Purity) functions in the Ifa divination complex as the embodiment of Ogbon, Imo, and Oye. Ela is the recognized authoritative source of communication and explanation of the nature of Olodumare and all ITs creation

Who was the first to speak?
Ela was the first to speak.
Who was the first to communicate?
Ela was the first to communicate.
Who is this Ela?
It was the Hoo which descended
That we call ELA


GENESIS 1vs1-3(ISRAELI GOD)
In the beginning, when God created the heavens and the earth —
and the earth was without form or shape, with darkness over the
abyss and a mighty wind sweeping over the waters—

Then God said: Let there be light, and there was light.
God saw that the light was good. God then separated
the light from the darkness.
God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.”
Evening came, and morning followed—the first day.

EdoNation:
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TRASH!!

EWIA BUZUO


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FALSIFIED STATEMENT OF OBA BINI WHICH CLAIM ODUA AS EKALEDARAN... AND THE OGIAMIEN FAMILY THAT CLAIMED OBA BINI AS FOREIGNER IN EDO LAND TESTIFY TO THE TRUTH THAT THE ANCESTORS ARE YORUBA.


“I therefore stand before you as the 40th Oba of Benin, a direct descendant of Oranmiyan, the son of Oduduwa, whom the Benin people of that era knew as Ekaladeran, their self-exiled prince who later became ruler in Ile-Ife. The Benin people recognise Oduduwa and his origin but it is not our place to force this recognition on others outside our boundaries.“The history of the world is a shared one and there will certainly be unexpected connections in the future. This is, thus, a time for unity and not divisiveness, a time for mutual respect, recognising that our wholeness as people is so much more than the sum of our parts.”
Such a statement seems ill-advised and in extremely poor taste when viewed against the prism of the invitation to the Ooni of Ife and other Yoruba Kings and their presence at that event. I say it was ill-advised because his assertion is clearly at variance with the position of the Ooni of Ife on that matter. Secondly, it is extreme bad manners to invite a guest and then to call into question his ancestry to his very face when it would be impolite for the guest to dispute and correct such an erroneous statement at that occasion.
One also needs to make clear a number of factors here. Both highly controversial accounts (the Bini and Yoruba accounts that is) come from word of mouth acco
unt.

THE TRUTH CAN'T BE COVERED : OGIAMIEN ARE EDO OF BINI EXTRACTION:


Apart from the fact that Oba Ewuare’s account is disputed within Benin by the Ogiemien family (who point to the Ekiokpagha Treaty that requires every new aspiring Oba of Benin to pay a once in a lifetime rent to the Ogiamien (as the true aboriginal monarch) before being able to ascend to the throne of Benin), one doubts that the Oba of Benin is in a better position than his cousins in the South West to give an account of the ancestry of their common ancestor. I say this for the following reason. Eweka the 1st had minimal contact with (a) Oduduwa (b) Oduduwa’s son Akanbi and (c) Oduduwa’s grandson (and Eweka’s father) Oranmiyan





OBA EWUARE II CONTRADICTED HIMSELF WHEN HE MADE ASSERTION THAT ORANMIYAN WAS THE FIRST OBA OF BINI AND THAT HE CAME WITH THE WORD OBA WHICH WAS STRANGE TO IGODOMOGODO(TRUTH SO BITTER AS GALL)



(QUOTE OF OBA EWUARE II)Historians all agree that Oduduwa sent his son Oronmiyan at the request of elders of Benin to return with them as ruler of their realm. Oronmiyan’s stay in Benin may have been short, but before he left, a child was born to him, who was later crowned Oba (King) and is known today as Eweka I. Oronmiyan’s time in Benin, however short lived, he was an Oba; and so, he was the first Oba after the Ogiso dynasty came to an end. He established Obaship in Benin. By implication, the listing of past Obas should therefore begin from Oronmiyan as it is listed in Egharevba’s book – Short History of Benin, making my revered father 39th Oba that reigned in Benin – if the listing is counted from and, should be counted from






WHO ARE THE OGIAMIEN FAMILY?
the Ogiamien Royal Family is seeking for the full implementation of the Ekiokpagha Treaty entered into by the first Oba of Benin Oba Eweka I and Ogiamien Erebo in 12:00AD, when Obaship was forcefully introduced into Igodomigodo in 12:00AD by which time Ogiamien Erebo was the reigning King of the Binis. The Ekiokpagha Treaty from what we are hearing now divided Igodomigodo now Bini into two; one part Ogiamien Erebo reluctantly leased to Oba Eweka I in 12:00AD to stop the Oyo Empire that attacked them from further massacre of the Binis then, the portion which is now known as Benin Kingdom, while Ogiamien Erebo took the remaining part now known as Utantan Kingdom. The Bini speaking area of Edo State is made up of seven local government areas namely:






TRUTH SO BITTER BUT SWALLOW IT. YORUBA SUBJECTS ,ENJOY YOURSELVES.

opal4real:
Its quite obvious that I'm engaging a daft in a historical argument. You are waste of cyber time. Your betters may be sensible enough not to evade my question. Over to them and as for you go smoke a jumbo size weed which is your major pre-occupation.

Ask your elders if you have any why the Fulani jihadist stopped at Auchi and did not go further to Benin? Ewobi, ovbie ane yowa!!! Ewia!!

...DID IT PAIN YOU? LET ME HIT HARDER. WHAT IS THE TITLE OF THE TRADITIONAL RULER OF AUCHI? OTARU ? DO YOU TRULY KNOW THE STORY OF THE CONQUEST OF A GREAT EDO PEOPLE OF AUCHI DESCENDANTS THAT MADE THEM PREDOMINANTLY MUSLIMS?......I THOUGHT YOU PEOPLE FLY IN THE SKY TO rule everywhere. AND HERE YOU ARE FUMING AS IF YOU FOUGHT ANY SERIOUS WARS. WE OUGHT TO HAVE WHINE YOUR VILLAGES IF NOT THE BEGGING BY EDO CHIEFS AT ILE IFE TO COME RULE OVER THEM. GO AND SLEEP ON THIS DOSE....

opal4real:
These are evidence that the real people rule over Lagos knows what it was and what it is.

Instead of these kids to read widely and ask questions from elder but they all come here to display their ignorance by insulting their ancestors. Only a bas.tard points to his fathers house with his left hand.


cc: O0ni Olu317 Areafada2 EdoNation

KOSOKO THAT NEARLY KILLED AKITOYE IF NOT YORUBAS RETURNEES WHO HAD A KNOWLEDGE OF DEALING WITH THE BRITAIN ESPECIALLY EGBAS.... AKITOYE'S HEAD WOULD HAD BEEN SERVED ON A PLATE. AND TO THINK AKITOYE THAT WAS STRUGGLING WITH HIS HEALTH AND RUNNING FROM PILLAR TO POST FROM HIS HALF BROTHER KOSOKO WILL UTTER THIS WORD? YOU ARE MAKING NONSENSE OF YOUR COMPUTER AGE LETTERING FONT . BESIDE, THE WRITING FONT YOU USED WASNT EXISTING IN THE 18th CENTURY. TRY ANOTHER ONE

O0ni:
Who then is Oghene?



You implore me, LOL.

Post the citation to any book, just one book that states Ogedengbe stepped foot in Bini land.

You implore me



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So Benin is now a participant in Kiriji war? Are you lot on a mission to re-write Kiriji war now?

Thank God Samuel Johnson was an eye witness and wrote down verifiable records. Else, una for don claim Kiriji war to have been a Bini event.

Dude, go read.

THESE SET OF YOUNG EDO CHILDREN WILL KILL YORUBA PEOPLE WITH THEIR ALI BABA STORYLINE...... BINI WARRIORS FOUGHT AGAINST IBADAN DURING KIRIJI WAR? DO BINI EVEN KNOW WHAT KIRIJI MEAN? HONESTLY IT ISN'T AN IDEAL THING TO RIDICULE EDO PEOPLE BUT THIS SELF GLORIFICATION IS JUST INSANITY ON EDO'S PART.

METAPHYSICAL CONCEPT OF ORI AND ELEDUMARE/OLODUMARE IN YORUBA LAND( by AWO DINO'S YORUBA METAPHYSICAL CONCEPT OF ORI)IN DIRECT SEMBLANCE WITH ANCIENT GOD OF ISRAEL

Ifa Osa Ogunda
There-were-no-living-things
Was the priest on earth
That-which-was-suspended
But-did-not-descend
Was the priest in heaven
All-was-just-empty-space
With-no-substance
Was the priest of Mid-Air
It was divined for Aiye and Orun*
When they both exited
With no inhabitants
In the two empty snail shells,
There were neither birds nor spirits
Living in them
Odumare then created himself
Being the Primal cause
Which is the reason we call Odumare
The only wise one in aiye
He is the only cause in creation,
The only wise one in Orun,
Who created humans.
When He had no companion,
He applied wisdom to the situation
To avert any disaster.
You, alone,
The only one in Orun
Is the name of Odumare
The only wise one,
We give you thanks,
The only knowing mind,
You created man.
Listening to one side of an argument,
You judge, and all are pleased.
Ase
*Aiye is the visible realm; Orun the invisible realm. Most confuse these two words to mean earth and heaven. Hopefully, when you finish reading this material, you will be able to come back and make sense of the above ese (verse) Odu.
In Odu Ifa Osa Ogunda, part of a verse says, “Iri tu wili tu wili la fi da ile aye, la bu da ile,” which means, “Dews pouring lightly, pouring lightly, was used to create the earth world in order that goodness could come forth into existence at once.” The dew drops are particles of Oro – primordial matter - contained in the snail shell. Once empty, it remains as the representation of the base of causation from which matter derived. The “goodness” speaks to eniyan – human beings, which brought goodness to earth. The oro then melted and was suspended in mid-air (referred to in the above Odu verse as the “priest of mid-air”). Oro then dropped;
Oro, the cause of great concern for the wise and experienced elders
It sounds, “Ku” (making the heart miss a beat)
“Ke” (as a ponderous object hitting the ground)
“Gi” (making the last sound before silence)
and “La”, with a loud cracking sound is transformed into a new state called “Ela.”
Ela is part of the Orunmila complex. Orunmila can be considered the anthropomorphic representation of Olodumare’s wisdom - ogbon, knowledge – imo, and understanding – oye; the most powerful particles or elements in the earth-dust or droppings. Orunmila’s connection to Ori is fundamental to the Ori complex. He is “Eleri Ipin”, the deity of fate. He was present at the moment of creation, and thus knows the fate of every Ori. He acts as the mediator between a person and their Ori through his ability to speak the words of Ifa as they relate to the individual Ori and its destiny. Ifa is the Oracle. Ela is that invisible energy that moves between the oracle and Orunmila, and between Ori and Olodumare – the umbilical cord. Ela is Oro after it hits the primordial abyss. Oro, as primordial matter, has an innate urge to communicate.
The oro that drops from the elderly is stupendous
It was divined for oro-oro-oro
Who did not have anyone to communicate with and started groaning
HOORO, HOO-ORO! (Ogbon, Imo, Oye, descend!)
Olodumare made HOO (Ogbon, Imo, Oye)
HOO descended to become Hoo-ro (I can’t help but notice the similarity between Hoo-ro and Horus)
Ela made Oro digestible and useful to human needs
Ela is the manifestation of the primal urge to communicate. It is the link between human and God; human and human; and human and the universe. This extensionistic conception, prevalent in all religions, is Oro, which manifested is Ela. Its individual manifestation is Ori. The Snail can be viewed as the principle of natural extensionism which forms a basis for that which can be seen and that which cannot; the physical Ori (your skull), and Ori-inu (consciousness, soul). There is a Yoruba phrase, Ori-Ooro, which means, “head at dawn,” dawn being the beginning obviously. Thus, Ori is Oro, and Oro is Ori:
Ori lo nda eni
Esi ondaye Orisa lo npa eni da
O npa Orisa da
Orisa lo pa nida
Bi isu won sun
Aye ma pa temi da
Ki Ori mi ma se Ori
Ki Ori mi ma gba abodi
Ori is the creator of all things
Ori is the one that makes everything happen, before life happens
He is the Orisa that can change humans
No one can change the Orisa
Ori, the Orisa that changes the life of man with baked yam (abundance)
Aye*, do not change my fate (* Aye - unity of the forces of good and evil)
Ori do not let people disrespect me
Ori do not let me be disrespected by anyone
My Ori, do not accept evil
This extensionalistic concept (from God to human), that our Ori is composed of
a portion of Oro (each Ori receives a portion with its own special combination
of elements contained in the earth-dust – oro - from the snail shell, thus each
ori’s individuality) is further elucidated in the sayings, Ori lo da ni, enikan
o d’Ori o (It is the Head that created us; nobody created the Head), and
Ori eni, l’Eleda eni (one’s Head is one’s Creator), and also in the
following oriki:
Ori lo da mi
Eniyan ko o
Olorun ni
Ori lo da mi
Ori is my Creator
It is not man
It is Olorun (Olodumare)
Ori is my Creator
Olodumare made Hoo, which is comprised of three of the most powerful elements contained in the “earth-dust” sprinkled from the Snail shell – Ogbon (wisdom), Imo (knowledge), and Oye (understanding). “Ro” means descend, as in the chant, Ela ro, Ela ro, Ela ro. It is said that Olodumare created Ogbon, Imo and Oye as an intermediary force for creating more beings. IT tried to find a place for them to live, but they came back to IT, humming, and Olodumare swallowed them. They hummed inside IT for millennia, so IT had to get rid of them. Olodumare ordered them to “ro” descend, saying, “hoo-ro.” Oro, the solid matter, melted and was suspended in mid-air like jelly. Oro then dropped and “la” cracked into a new state called E-la, or Ela. Ela (the Spirit of Purity) functions in the Ifa divination complex as the embodiment of Ogbon, Imo, and Oye. Ela is the recognized authoritative source of communication and explanation of the nature of Olodumare and all ITs creation (Abiodun).
Who was the first to speak?
Ela was the first to speak.
Who was the first to communicate?
Ela was the first to communicate.
Who is this Ela?
It was the Hoo which descended
That we call Ela.
In Odu Ogunda Ogbe, we find more references to Snail and Oro:
He Made Divination for the Snail in Orun
Aba she kere mu legun, Odifa fun ibikunle to ma nu kan kunle ara le
The-umbrella-tree-is-short-when-young-but-a-little-later-it-will-become
-taller-than-the-roof-of-the-house. That was the name of the Awo who
made divination for Ibikunle, when she was single-handedly going to
populate her house by herself. Ibikunle is the heavenly name of the
Snail and it means the one who produced enough children to fill his
or her house. She was advised to make ebo with hen, rat and fish.
She made the ebo and began to produce children to fill her house.
When it appears at divination for a woman anxious to have children,
she will be advised to make ebo because she will have so many children
that she will eventually be tired of having more.He Later Divined for his
Friend Oro Okon kpoki, Erigidí kpií, adita fun Oro nijo ti Oro wo orun
kenge kenge. One-sharp-sound and one-loud-sound (“Ku” and “Ke”)
are the names of the Awos who made divination for Oro when he was so
ill that he thought he was going to die, (figure of speech) when he was
looking forlornly at Orun from his spot hanging in the air. He was advised
to make ebo with eko, akara, rat, fish and a chicken. After preparing the ebo,
the Ifa priests told him to carry it on his head (ori) to Esu’s shrine. He was
further told that on getting to the shrine, he was to back it and incline his head
backwards in such a way that the ebo would drop on the shrine (acknowledging Esu
as that liminal space between orun and aiye, dark and light).
As soon as he allowed the sacrifice to drop on the Esu shrine, while still backing up
to Esu, a voice instructed him to stretch his hands and feet forward. First, he stretched
out his left limbs and next his right limbs (with Esu’s help, he makes the transition from
the invisible plane to the visible plane. Left limbs darkness, right limbs light). The moment
he did that, the disease that had afflicted his body to the point of incapacitation suddenly
disappeared. From the shrine, he began to dance and sing towards the house in praise of the Awo.
The Awo praised Ifa, and Ifa praised Olodumare. When he began to sing, Esu put a song in his mouth:
ljo logo ji jo, erigidi kpii, erigidi.
ljo logo ji jo, erigidi kpi-kpi-kpí, erigidí.
He was singing in praise of Orunmila and his two surrogates for the miraculous healing he had just
experienced. When this odu appears at divination in ibi (negative manifestation) the client will be
told that he or she is suffering from a disease which he or she is concealing, but will be advised to
make ebo to get rid of it. If the indication is ire (positive manifestation), then the person will be told
to be expecting some gift or favor.
In the ese (verse) above regarding Snail, we see that Snail is also known as Ibikunle, “the one who
produced enough children to fill his or her house.” This is a praise name. It refers to the the Snail’s
role in creating everything in the universe, in this case the earth including humans. In the verse following
the one about snail, regarding Oro, we find in the names of the Awo, reference to the sounds of Oro dropping
and becoming Ela (the Spirit of Purity which represents Ogbon, Iwo and Oye).

AreaFada2:
I guess no Benin person aware of history claims that all Lagos & suburbs were created or first inhabited by Benin people.

Benin didn't have the population to spread over large seeming irrelevant (at that time) geographical spaces. They had to be clinical & strategic.
To takeover trade routes or create new/alternative ones. Using expensive mercenaries to swell up the military ranks was tough enough, but had to be extremely good in managing war resource (mercenaries) not fuelled by patriotism.

But you will agree that Iga Iduganran became the hub of political power in Lagos with military backing from Benin if any subjects dared to become belligerent.
It was also part of Benin colonial strategy not to unnecessarily cause upheaval in existing local traditions or expropriate natives of their property/land.
About Oshodi Tapa. You did not mention his origin. The little I remember, he was not a Yoruba native. He was a slave from Nupe/Bida area who was rescued under Eleko Osinlokun.

I remember because Oshodi Tapa was on the side of Eleko Kosoko (a Benin loyalist) during the fight with Akintoye). His war exploit at Ogun Olomiro is well known. An excellent diplomat too.

Though fiercely loyal to Kosoko, still saved the life of Akintoye by allowing him escape to Abeokuta. I think he/Akintoye moved to Badagry refuge from Abeokuta?

Even the lineage of the Oba of Lagos are practically a Yoruba lineage of ILESHA because the Erelu Kuti of Lagos who was the traditional noblewoman charged with the bearing of the ritual essence of Oloye Erelu Kuti I, a seventeenth century Yoruba royal who aided in the consolidation of her homeland, first as the daughter of its paramount king, then as the sister of two of his successors, subsequently as the consort of one of its chiefs, then as a chief in her own right, and finally as its first
queen mother . Her life would ultimately be so entwined with that of her family’s kingdom that her lineal descendants would go on to feature in its history from her day to our own.
The Ikadan palace was the home of Erelu Kuti, mother of Ologun Kutere (the fourth king of Lagos, whose reign began in 1750 and lasted 25 years, and the founder of the lineage from which the late Oba Adeyinka Oyekan came) and Shokun (the founder of the Fashina-Jinadu-Bombata, Fadu lineage).
The first Oba of Lagos was Ado, the son of Prince Ashipa of the Kingdom of Benin . Ado had three children, Gabbaro, Akinsemoyin and a female, Erelu Kuti. After the death of Ado, his eldest son, Gabbaro, succeeded him. Gabarro’s line became extinct because he had no child. Therefore, upon his death, Akinsemoyin, his younger brother, succeeded to the crown.
While Akinsemoyin was ruling, Erelu Kuti married Alagba, the high priest that had predicted that her brother would become Oba. Alagba, an Ijesha man from Ilesha, subsequently served as a chief in the court of his brother-in-law.
Oba Akinsemoyin built a palace called Iga Alagba at Idumota for him because he could not belong to the Oba’s household as a non-member of the royal family. Akinsemoyin, according to clan history, subsequently had a set of male triplets after having a number of daughters. Because it was a taboo in those days to have twins, let alone triplets, the three boys were smuggled out of the palace. Due to the poor condition under which they were kept, two of them died, leaving one alive. This son went on to live an ordinary life as a commoner.
Due to this, when Akinsemoyin died in 1749 after ruling for 44 years, Ologun Kutere (the product of the union between Erelu Kuti and Alagba) was made Oba in his stead. Though the late king is said to have had other sons after the set of triplets, they are said to have been very young at the time of their father’s death.
It is now believed by scholars of tribal history that due to Akinsemoyin’s magnanimity, he did not see the need to perpetuate his branch of the dynasty by having one of his elder daughters serve as regent, pending when the eldest of his subsequent sons would come of age. As a sign of the love he had for his sister, before he died, he instead sanctioned the appointment of Ologun Kutere as his successor.
It should be stated at this juncture, however, that a slightly different account of the history of succession has been mooted by some. It states that when Oba Akinsemoyin died, Gabarro’s son, Kekere, who was in turn succeeded by Ologun Kutere, succeeded him.
From the official genealogy of the kings of Lagos, however, it is seen that Ologun Kutere replaced Akinsemoyin in 1749. Since then, only the descendants of Ologun Kutere have been occupying the position of Oba of Lagos. The late Oba Oyekan II belonged to one of his descendant families.
Now it may be asked how Erelu Kuti came to marry Alagba and what role Akinsemoyin played in the events that led to his sister’s marriage? Well, according to the narrative:
On the advice of Alagba, Akinsemoyin performed certain rituals and ceremonies which included putting up a white flag on what is now Victoria Island.
It is said that as a result of this, the Portuguese came and subsequently aided in the architectural advancement of his kingdom. This was the first contact with Europeans in this part of the world, and it heralded the advent of both Christianity and its attendant civilisations. The Portuguese built Iga Idungaran palace for Oba Akinsemoyin as a gift, a part of which is still in existence and is incorporated into the new palace.
Satisfied that all was now well with Oba Akinsemoyin and his people, Alagba then expressed the desire to return to Ilesha for the remaining part of his life. Oba Akinsemoyin agreed and, in gratitude for his years of service, offered him any of his daughters as a wife.
While they were talking about this, Erelu passed by and heard what they were discussing. At a later time, she told her brother that she would gladly marry Alagba if he wished it to be so.
Oba Akinsemoyin is said to have been jubilant. He blessed his sister, conferred a noble title on her and predicted that she would bear children who would reign in Lagos as its kings. The prediction of the Oba eventually came to pass with, as the White Man says, a vengeance.
The current Erelu Kuti is Omoba Abiola Dosunmu, a princess of the contemporary kingdom of Lagos. She serves as a ranking chieftain of the realm as the ceremonial queen mother, and reigns as regent of Lagos upon the death of an incumbent monarch until a substantive successor is chosen by the college of kingmakers

opal4real:
Stop yelling you slowpoke! Can't you read what you wrote and see the foo.lishness you are displaying? In one sentence you claim the father of Benin is in the East of Benin which happens to be the present day River Niger/South East and we all know Ile Ife is in the West of Benin, how could you be so sill.y and stupid the same time. My question to you although I doubt if you will be intelligent enough to understand the question ( WHO IS THE FATHER OF BENIN IN THE EAST)?
Being a dimwit and an ignoramus buffoon who is unsure of who his real father is, I know you will chicken out and come back here yelling. I wonder what stuff you smoke.
The Ogiso descendants are now ruling over all ya'riba(yoruba) royal houses except ilorin. Prince Ekaladerhan aka Oduduwa the only son of the last Ogiso is the father of Oramiyan,who was the first Oba of Benin and the first Aalafin of Oyo. Without the Ogiso dynasty there would have been no royal houses in the whole south west. The coming of Oduduwa from Benin send the Olugbo of Ugbo running from Ife to their present location at Ugbo. Before the coming of Oduduwa the Benin prince the Yoruba's were lesser than apes with no king,Oduduwa with his Benin wisdom brought light to the whole yoruba land.
When Oduduwa walked into Ife he was asked where are you fromand pointed to the sky,meaning i am the son of the king of the sky hence your slave trade returnee like Crowther and Johnson and co thought he meant he was came down from the sky that is why the myth is still flying around that he fell from the sky.
Go do some research kid and stop contaminating the cyber space with you idiot.ic ignorance, you know nothing and keeps yelling which is a peculiar trait in your people anyway.

.YET YORUBA LANGUAGE HAVE SEMITIC TOUCHES. DO YOU HAVE EL IN YOUR LANGUAGE? FATHER IS BA AL IN HEBREW AND FATHER IS BA'ALE, KARA IS READ/CALLED WHILE KA IS READ IN YORUBA AND KA'WA IS CALLED. DO YOU WANT TO GO THE EGYPTIANS WAY? SEARCH YOU WILL LEARN. LOOK AT THIS SLAVE BLOOD RANTING. YOU ARE A DELUDED YOUNG MAN WASTING HIS TIME ON THE INTERNET. BETTER GET YOUR ASS WORKING.... IS BINI AN EDO LANGUAGE? I SAID GO AND TELL YOUR ELDERS TO TELL YOU THE ORIGINAL VERSION... MONKEY LIKE YOU ACTING LIKE HUMAN BEING......CORK AND BULL STORY...GOD SAVE UNA SAY RAVAGING FULANI NOR CATCH UNA THOSE YONDER YEARS.... UNA FOR HEAR WIEN. IN FACT AUCHI NO BI EDO BUT IGALA/EBIRA/ NUPE WITH THE SUBDUED EDOID...MIX UP PEOPLE. TRUTH IS BITTER....ELEERI KERI OMO LA SAN EKIJI AJA.

sarrki:
Brother let's be factual

The 000.5% have been ruling us since independent

We can boast of the profs and all the PhD holders of this world.

The truth is when it comes to politics give it to them

The two major reason are, which I stand to be corrected

By population and size

.That's not true BUT BRITAIN GAVE THEM THE ADVANTAGES BECAUSE THEY MADE FULANI DOMINATE THE MILITARY AFTER CIVIL WAR. IT WAS A CALCULATED PLAN TO MAKE THEM RULE NIGERIA BECAUSE THE BRITAIN WANT TO CONTINUE TO MILK THE OIL OF THE SOUTHERN PART OF NIGERIA WHICH HAS NO ACCOUNT OF DAILY EXPORT. NIGERIA REMAIN ONE OF THE WORST COUNTRY WITH NO RECORD OF AMOUNT OF CRUDE OIL EXPORT. HAVE WE ASKED OURSELVES THE RIGHT QUESTION ABOUT BUHARI. WHY DID HE CHOSE TO GO LONDON FOR HIS TREATMENT? WHY NOT UNITED STATES OF AMERICA OR GERMANY? FOLLOWING THE MASTER'S FOOTSTEP OF COURSE AND DOING THEIR BIDDING. HOWEVER, BREXIT IS THE SOLUTION TO SO MANY COUNTRIES BREAKING AWAY FROM HER COMMON SUCKING WEALTH OF UNDEVELOPED COUNTRIES. ANYWAY PEOPLE'S EYES HAVE OPENED AND CAN SEE CLEARLY.