₦airaland Forum

tosyne2much:
I hope such tragedy doesn't happen

tosyne2much:
They the president and the vice are both incapacitated, then I think the Senate present will emerge the acting president

opal4real:
You know what, you guys do not exercise yourselves mentally to study other tribes and languages hence your ignorance of other tribes. We all know that Okun and Olo means the same thing in Yoruba and Bini dialect. Just as Okuta, Oke,Kpataki,Oloi(Olori) and co...there are families who greets Lakun from the Okun family and Laloke from the Oloke family.


""In fact, the Yoruba and the Afro-Cuban Lukumi systems
have fused several traditions found in Africa. Deities
from Dahomey (Obaluaye, Nanu, Nana Buruku, etc.) and
Benin (Olokun) are among them. In the case of the
deity known as Olokun from Benin, John Mason documents
that, '...in the 12th century A.D.., Prince
Ekaladeran, the only son of Ogiso Owodo, was banished
from Benin City by his father, and then founded the
town of Ughoton, established an Olokun shrine for
communal worship, and later introduced Olokun worship
among the Yoruba. Ile Ife is the only city in
Yorubaland where Olokun is actively worshipped'...;
this, despite the fact that Orisas are known to come
from many places throughout Yorubaland, Dahomey and
Benin.
In contrast, Olokun is widely accepted amongst the
followers of Cuban Palo and Lukumi traditions, and is
considered to be one of the most influential and
respect deities.
"Both the shrine sculpture and the sacred drums
employed by the Lukumi in Cuba, when they worship
Olokun, shows a direct link with the Edo of Benin" ---
John Mason, Orin Orisa, 1992 " - from Respecting &
Recognizing Established Afro-Cuban Traditions""

GERALD710:
Last I checked Kenya's Economy GREW by 6% in 2016.
Meanwhile Nigeria was having a RECESSION.
What was it about low productivity again?
As for Industrialization, the aim is to first connect Domestic consumers.They pay higher tariffs as compared to Industrial ones(And Kenya's Domestic consumer tarrif is still lower than Nigeria's at $0.13 per KWh as compared to Nigeria's $0.19 per KWh)
And who said we are not Industrializing??|
Kenya is building the standard gauge railway to Naivasha for a specific reason, to estabilish an industrial park with easy access to the railway and by extension, the Port and to cheap and reliable geothermal power from the steam wells located in the area
http://mobile.nation.co.ke/lifestyle/Naivasha-investors-upbeat-on-prospect-of-new-rail-link/1950774-2737100-format-xhtml-wgh6ldz/index.html
And btw, Kenya is by faaaar more productive than Nigeria.
That can be seen in Agriculture alone, Nigeria virtually imports everything, even basic foodstuffs while Kenya is a food exporter, despite 80% of Kenya being arid or being a Park.The only times we have to import food is during times of severe drought.
Productivity is measured by the hours worked, which are very few in Nigeria where power blackouts are daily phenomenon, unlike much of Kenya where one can go for months without any power interruption.
Notice the most hardworking people in the world ,the Japanese have their factories mainly in ...Not Nigeria or South Africa.
Even General Electric with all the investments in Nigeria like the GE Garage, are headquartered in Nairobi.So is IBM which snubbed you guys,same to Nokia, same to Visa, same to so many well known multinational brands.That tells a lot about Nigeria.
MTN Nigeria, you mean the MTN we all know is 75.81% owned by MTNI a maurituius based South African entity Smh!!Safaricom is owned by Kenyans 60% and Vodafone 40%(And please note Vodafone Kenya has Kenyan shareholders alongside Vodafone Plc like Mobitelea). It started as a Government parastatal. Kenyan through and through!!

GERALD710:
Last I checked Kenya's Economy GREW by 6% in 2016.
Meanwhile Nigeria was having a RECESSION.
What was it about low productivity again?
As for Industrialization, the aim is to first connect Domestic consumers.They pay higher tariffs as compared to Industrial ones(And Kenya's Domestic consumer tarrif is still lower than Nigeria's at $0.13 per KWh as compared to Nigeria's $0.19 per KWh)
And who said we are not Industrializing??|
Kenya is building the standard gauge railway to Naivasha for a specific reason, to estabilish an industrial park with easy access to the railway and by extension, the Port and to cheap and reliable geothermal power from the steam wells located in the area
http://mobile.nation.co.ke/lifestyle/Naivasha-investors-upbeat-on-prospect-of-new-rail-link/1950774-2737100-format-xhtml-wgh6ldz/index.html
And btw, Kenya is by faaaar more productive than Nigeria.
That can be seen in Agriculture alone, Nigeria virtually imports everything, even basic foodstuffs while Kenya is a food exporter, despite 80% of Kenya being arid or being a Park.The only times we have to import food is during times of severe drought.
Productivity is measured by the hours worked, which are very few in Nigeria where power blackouts are daily phenomenon, unlike much of Kenya where one can go for months without any power interruption.
Notice the most hardworking people in the world ,the Japanese have their factories mainly in ...Not Nigeria or South Africa.
Even General Electric with all the investments in Nigeria like the GE Garage, are headquartered in Nairobi.So is IBM which snubbed you guys,same to Nokia, same to Visa, same to so many well known multinational brands.That tells a lot about Nigeria.
MTN Nigeria, you mean the MTN we all know is 75.81% owned by MTNI a maurituius based South African entity Smh!!Safaricom is owned by Kenyans 60% and Vodafone 40%(And please note Vodafone Kenya has Kenyan shareholders alongside Vodafone Plc like Mobitelea). It started as a Government parastatal. Kenyan through and through!!

MetaPhysical:
TWELVE CRITICAL POINTS TO BEAR IN MIND

1 - Fulani had knowledge of Yoruba far much earlier that the Dan Fodio Jihad in Hausaland.
2 - As a nomadic tribe their path through lands would naturally be along fertile banks of the River (Niger).
3 - Their migratory trek through these lands would be seasonal and expansive and also repetitive across generationst.
4 - As a result their knowledge of the georgrapgy, the lands and the people across Sudan will be of significance.
5 - The result of sojourning with the different peoples indigenous to those lands provides them priviledged access to oral history and customs across the entire belt.
6 - They had the tariqi (Yoruba - oriki; English - chain link or genealogy) of the different races along the river banks.
7 - They would have no knowledge of the forests people or the events, unless news of it is brought to them by the people of the forest belt themselves.
8 - Traditionally Fulani was not a State Ruler and in fact had no State Sovereignty, they were scattered nomads existing mostly as guests within States in the Sudan. They had pockets of settlements and camps here and there distributed under powerful Kingdoms and Empires.
9 - The political capital of Yoruba State in Old Oyo was North of Ilorin towards Jebba. Jebba is on the bank of the Niger.
10 - Fulani Jihad turned around in Nupeland and never entered into Yorubaland.
11 - Fulani did not have Kings and still do not. Sultan is a Islamic title, not an ethnic one. Emir or Amir (Yoruba - Aremo) is an equivalent of the English Duke, the heir to the Throne.
12 - The Sultanate is the throne but this throne is customarily an ethnic one called Sarki and belonging to Hausa. Fulani retained the symbolic power of Hausa Sovereingty and changed its name and succession order.





Sultan Muhammadu Bello ruled from 1817 to 1837. The Afonja rebellion in Ilorin occurred in 1824 and in the reign of Bello.

Here it is evident the Sultan did not mind Yoruba enslaving his people he just abhors the point that they end up in Christian hands. He is talking from a religious perspective. The Jihadists creed forbade non-believers (Kaffirs) from catching or trading in Muslim slaves.

So why were Yorubas exempted from the kaffir grouping?







Yoruba was a model society that intrigued and inspired scholarship. The Jihadists would attack and and bring ruin to those who their faith supposedly condemned. They reverred and looked up to those they considered of sacred Tariqi.

Did Muhammad Bello and Mohamman Masani consider Yoruba to be a people of sacred order?







Muhammad Bello was informed through Arabic and Hausa languages. His audience are equally these two. As a ruler, his information feed would be supplied by a pool of believing (not kaffirs) scholars and elites.








The Sudanese who live up on the hills are the Jukuns, descendants of NOK civilization. Muhammed Bello extols Yoruba greatness and ties Jukun and Yauri to the Yoruba tariqi. It is noteworthy that he did not tie Bini people to Yoruba. Bini is in the forest....see point 7 above.









This explains many things.
1...Qahtan occurs in the tariqi of Arabs and so did Yarub. The genealogy or chain link of the Arabian people places Qahtan as their progenitor.
2...Oyo, Ijebu, Ijesha, Ekiti, Awori, Igbira, Egba, Owu, and so on, are the actual tribal camps that left Canaanite (which at one point was under occupation of the Babylonians) to settle in sub-Saharan Africa. They were not known or called Yorubas.
3...The event and the reason they vacated became the marker stamp (Yaarubu) to distinguish them from others. Yaarubu later became Yoruba.

Example of this is not unique to Yorubas alone. The people called Arab themselves are so distinguished because of their descent chain from Yarub! Why were they not called Ishamelites, like Israelites, a people that were also distinguishly named from Israel?

Yoruba is a component of assorted Hebraic roots, banded together under a single label marked by the history of our encounter with Yarub. There is a recognition of us belonging amongst the nations of the Holy Order. This may point to why it is okay for Yoruba to catch, own and trade muslim slaves but forbidden for the white Christian who the Jihadist consider kaffir.








The Sultan says "according to what we are told".

He is the Head of the Emirate, no one shares power with him. So who is the WE? This had to be a recall, possibly of accounts of narration told to himself and other princes undergoing training and learning of the State protocols and reminding of powerful States they must maintain in relationship and diplomacy. But who is doing the teaching? The Sultanate scholarship is all about Arabia and Islam and therefore the teacher had to be a import from that land or from Mali, the paramount seat of Sufism in The Sudan.

It is false to ascribe the claim of Yoruba root to Canaan and Nimrud as a bias originating from Yoruba muslims. Yorubas know more of Odu Ifa than they do the Quran and the traditions of Islam. Yoruba muslims do not posess the privilege and advantage Fulanis have serving as a human library for the history of West Africa and its people. This connection of Yoruba to Canaan and Nimrud is authentic and the broadcast of this knowledge did not originate from Yoruba but rather from the travelling Fulani and their Islamic scholars and Rulers. Also, Muhammad Bello did not teach Yoruba of its history; a version of what he shared existed with the Araba of Ile Ife and had been passed down generation to generation until John Wyndham took the dictates and published into a book called The Myths of Ife. In that book the ancients talked about crossing a river believed to be Jordan and then wandering through the desert wilderness into the forests.









Further recalling the teachings told to them about Kingdoms and States to hold in diplomatic alliance.









Again sharing the intrigues of Yorubaland and its modelling as a blessed land.

It is believed in the Quran that those who Allah is pleased with he Blesses them and their abode is in paradise.

Further highlighting the strong belief at the Sultanate that Yoruba is indeed a member of the Holy Sacred as proven by the magnificent of their land as a model of paradise, so much so that even the Christians (believed to be kaffirs by the Jihad creed) sail from far away and make a stop there.








Outlining further the diplomatic circle and allies for security and political consideration.

Babatundecash:
I think,it is high time I stop taking news from vanguard newspaper serious......The inauguration ceremony was beam live on NTA starting from 11:12 to 1:05.....Aketi took a special moment,to acknowledge BAT by saying despite the rough road,His Leader(BAT in Particular) find time to be at His inauguration but while Aketi was singing Tinubu praise,BAT and BABa Akande have already left for the Jimat service,.....Tinubu was called to wave to the crowd on His way Going which He did with all smile on His Face.......it's now,I believe nothing like Rift between Tinubu and Aketi because,If the media could bring this sham out as news then I've to believe all they've be posting about PMB,APC CRISIS,CABAL AND NEW MEGA PARTY IS N'TING BUT PURE LIES.

O0ni:
Lol, just state you want a photo-tour of Ife.

I hope you show us whatever is the source or is attached to Olokun in Bini.

Google Olokun festival & have fun.

Oh, see the center of the fenced pool? That is the source of the sea water that has refused to dry up for many eons, way before Ogiso, Igodomigodo, Bini or Eweka.

There are a lot of things such as this in Ife but mostly protected/kept from public.

O0ni:


Oceans and creeks - then why does Benin need to use Yoruba term of 'Olokun'? Why does Bini not come up with her own Bini term for Olokun? Why does Bini have to worship Olokun using Ife method, why does Bini not have a different style of worshipping Olokun since it is about oceans and creeks.

The more you people talk the more you expose your king & yourselves as unintelligent.

Sanchez01:
http://www.timeslive.co.za/thetimes/2017/02/24/Nigerian-vs-South-African-kill-count-ugly-Gigaba1

sunshyne20:
I work at that border route, dear it's mind blowing knowing the quantity of rice imported daily by these guys, and they were all passed by same custom officers after collecting bribe.
I even went to that idiroko border and drove into Nigeria without anyone checking my trunk.
These women should be responsible, buy naija to grow naija dem no gree.
I am not in support, but daily these women spend NLT #150m on that border alone.
They call it "firework"

OlaoChi:
I think urge for Knowledge sends people like me to the village not jealosy. Yes I do know them, funny enough you don't, you think you do but know nothing really

nyangau123:
so south africans own your mobile telecoms ,he he ,,

cant compare that to kenyan owned safaricom the founder and pioneer of mobile money in the world
kenya population is a quarter of nigeria
last year they made $1.8 billion dollars in revenues, with $366 million dollars in profits after tax

compare it to something Nigerians actually own ,all those MTN profits going back to South Africa son.

bitter truth my ass,

we keep telling you dont let huge population delude you that you are something to the point of disrespect , out here the rest of the world can see right through your dumb egos.

OlaoChi:
i would advise you to dive in deeper and spend more time reading books not only on yoruba history but history of other civilisations. You are still new to all this and can be easily dyed any colour. History is not a belief system, you need evidence following the Historical Method... so far you have done otherwise

Haoqi24:
Not Exactly bro, I'm more interested in knowing Yoruba in its original form and not linking it up with ancient civilizations that their writings and folklore has been proven to be either stolen or altered.

mkenya254:
That is outdated data. Here is fresh factual data.

60℅ of Kenyans have access to power. And btw there are never blackouts here. Maybe about a maximum of 5 blackouts a year that last maybe 30mins or less. In fact if you live in the major cities this is even less. The current regime has done a lot in relation to developing power access. In fact these days you can walk into a mud hut in some very remote villages and be shocked they have power

Kenya is connecting 1m people a year to the national grid. That has to be applauded.

http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/kenya-electricity-access-rate-now-at-a-historic-sixty-per-cent-/440808-3307998-p0whfa/index.html

Arguably the fastest connection rate in the region, we have since connected an additional 2.6 million households, raising our customer base from 2,261,064 in March, 2013 to 4,890,373 in June, 2016, representing a growth of 116 per cent. This has raised the country’s electricity access rate from 27 per cent three years ago to 60 per cent by the end of June this year.

bizme:
Abeg allow make the two deam men stay dead.
Na we we dey for show now, make we forget about Ojukwu, about Awolowo...dem don try for their own generation.

When the brave acts prudently the stupid thinks its cowardice, but it takes the wise to understand this.
But folly often makes the coward try to conceal his cowardice by doing things im no fit do. Then he gets people or himself killed.

A hairy chest is not a sign of strength, but the careful planning of the wise wins more cities than the foolhardy outburst of the unwise.

A lot can be understood about the Yorubas when you consider some of their proverbs.
E.g.,
1) A fearless warrior must know when to retreat: What purpose will your death serve when you shout no retreat, no surrounder against a far superior enemy
2) If you do not yet have a firm grip of a sword's helve you don't go about demanding how your father died: this advises that you don't start a fight when you have no means of winning it.

I think it makes perfect sense to carefully plan your attack, and only launch out when you're prepared and have the wherewithal to defeat your opponent. There is absolutely nothing to gain or to learn in a defeat. What good then does your bravery serve when you are defeated? The defeated party remains the weak party. And yes in war, as in love, anything goes...direct assault, cunning- anything. A defeated brave man is a loser, and lost mostly because he refused to use his brain to plan well in advance...and yes, accepting truce and ceasefire is all part of war strategy.

Someone already mentioned that if the Southwest will ever come out to call for recession, 70% of the job would have been done before we hear about it. I don't think this is a deficiency at all. I think it is a sound strategy, planning all moves like in chess before the open gambit.

Haoqi24:
God is faithful... How bout you?

Haoqi24:
God is faithful... How bout you?

absoluteSuccess:
That's great. Its a very old world full of discoveries and discoveries to be made.

Jacksparr0w127:
I honestly do not know the positive lesson the organisers of the who are passing to the society. It's really bad

absoluteSuccess:
Lamurudu was coined by Revd. Samuel Johnson as alternative to Nimrod. Before that time, no Lamurudu occur in Yoruba history that I know of.

Namrusu is of islamic folklore of known to Yoruba muslims. It is believed that he died when a mosquito enter his nostril. He was said to be boastful to God.

Was he killed by the descendants of Abraham? He may be third generation to Abraham and was the founder of Babylon, where Abraham was born.

The story of slain Lamurudu is lifted from the quranic version of how Abraham came from pagan background, but the holy bible account contradicted this story.

Terah, Abraham's father was in the train of migrants from beyond the river euphrate when he migrated to Canaanland, on a pilgrimage inspired journey.

Now the anchor of Yoruba history as fashioned by Johnson is based on a contradicted story from islamic angle, which is now 'appropriated' as Yoruba history.

Jacksparr0w127:
I don't know if it's demonic or satanic but I 100% agree with you on how its totally not in conformity with our morals, values and beliefs.
I therefore take side with you to SAY NO TO BBN

Jacksparr0w127:
I don't know if it's demonic or satanic but I 100% agree with you on how its totally not in conformity with our morals, values and beliefs.
I therefore take side with you to SAY NO TO BBN

Jacksparr0w127:
I don't know if it's demonic or satanic but I 100% agree with you on how its totally not in conformity with our morals, values and beliefs.
I therefore take side with you to SAY NO TO BBN

absoluteSuccess:
I suppose to put the Lamurudu in quote, don't mind my poor punctuation at times. I don't mean Nimrod. I only hope I make some sense to you with my post, it means a lot to me.

O0ni:
See lack of exposure.

Yoruba do not just deify natural phenomenon without having contact or experience of it.

There's a grove in Ife, a now enclosed stangnant pool of sea that has remained for centuries and has not dried up which means it has a source underneath that sustains it.

It is believed that the spot is the source of the sea and it remains the left over spot after the sea moved or dried off of the surface of the earth.

This is the source of Olokun as a deity, Olokun worship & everything concerned with Olokun.

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The problem with the fundamentals of Bini history is tjat it lacks solid foundations. Why do I say this? Bini history did not morph independently. Rather, Bini looked at what it thinks are errors in the history of other towns it had anything with then re-structure it to project an image. In order words, Bini has no basis. Its basis is derived from what it perceives to be loopholes in the history of Yoruba which it played on.

Ogun was never a Bini deity.

All Yoruba national deities (Olokun & Ogun inclusive) are of Yoruba origins which, as usual, Bini borrowed. Bini depended on Yoruba so much for her relevance - monarchy, art, deity & now history.

To the quoted: The original Ogun was called Ogun Laadin, the first blacksmith in Ife whose tools are still in the palace, the second Ogun was Ogun lakaye who was the second blacksmith who forged war items and is much more famous than the former. After these two ogun, there were 5 more Ogun who were blacksmiths and located in different places and worshipped differently.

Overtime, Ogun became a nickname of a congnomen if you will and it reflects a person's profession or character (war-like).

After Oduduwa (odu - vessel da/u - creates/brings iwa - existence a name originally for the creation deity but was borrowed as a nickname for the first king of Ife for restructing Ife & bringing a new dawn/phase to ife), he was succeeded by Osangangan Obamakin (Founder of Olugbo throne) and then followed by Ooni Ogun a hunter/war-like king and not to be confused with Ogun the deity.

A great deal of Ooni are known by their nicknames and in most cases. Using recent Oonis as example - Ademiluyi was widely known as Ajagun, Aderemi did not pick a congnomen, Sijuade was widely known as Olubuse II and Ogunwusi is becoming more known as Ojaja II with most slowly forgetting his full name.

I would like to know the source of Ife being 100 years before Bini you mentioned. Even if it was, a number of towns in Edo claim migration from Ife, Idanre history says a group migrated with the from Ife & moved to Bini. Oranmiyan was first at Osile in present day Abeokuta. When the Bini came to beg us for help, they could not have met Oduduwa but Obalufe, the king of Ife. As no one could see Oduduwa not the people of Ife and not even outsider Bini.

Study Bini history as a stand alone history. Stop being basing it on Ife history abi Bini cannot have its own history by itself?

O0ni:
See lack of exposure.

Yoruba do not just deify natural phenomenon without having contact or experience of it.

There's a grove in Ife, a now enclosed stangnant pool of sea that has remained for centuries and has not dried up which means it has a source underneath that sustains it.

It is believed that the spot is the source of the sea and it remains the left over spot after the sea moved or dried off of the surface of the earth.

This is the source of Olokun as a deity, Olokun worship & everything concerned with Olokun.

---------------



The problem with the fundamentals of Bini history is tjat it lacks solid foundations. Why do I say this? Bini history did not morph independently. Rather, Bini looked at what it thinks are errors in the history of other towns it had anything with then re-structure it to project an image. In order words, Bini has no basis. Its basis is derived from what it perceives to be loopholes in the history of Yoruba which it played on.

Ogun was never a Bini deity.

All Yoruba national deities (Olokun & Ogun inclusive) are of Yoruba origins which, as usual, Bini borrowed. Bini depended on Yoruba so much for her relevance - monarchy, art, deity & now history.

To the quoted: The original Ogun was called Ogun Laadin, the first blacksmith in Ife whose tools are still in the palace, the second Ogun was Ogun lakaye who was the second blacksmith who forged war items and is much more famous than the former. After these two ogun, there were 5 more Ogun who were blacksmiths and located in different places and worshipped differently.

Overtime, Ogun became a nickname of a congnomen if you will and it reflects a person's profession or character (war-like).

After Oduduwa (odu - vessel da/u - creates/brings iwa - existence a name originally for the creation deity but was borrowed as a nickname for the first king of Ife for restructing Ife & bringing a new dawn/phase to ife), he was succeeded by Osangangan Obamakin (Founder of Olugbo throne) and then followed by Ooni Ogun a hunter/war-like king and not to be confused with Ogun the deity.

A great deal of Ooni are known by their nicknames and in most cases. Using recent Oonis as example - Ademiluyi was widely known as Ajagun, Aderemi did not pick a congnomen, Sijuade was widely known as Olubuse II and Ogunwusi is becoming more known as Ojaja II with most slowly forgetting his full name.

I would like to know the source of Ife being 100 years before Bini you mentioned. Even if it was, a number of towns in Edo claim migration from Ife, Idanre history says a group migrated with the from Ife & moved to Bini. Oranmiyan was first at Osile in present day Abeokuta. When the Bini came to beg us for help, they could not have met Oduduwa but Obalufe, the king of Ife. As no one could see Oduduwa not the people of Ife and not even outsider Bini.

Study Bini history as a stand alone history. Stop being basing it on Ife history abi Bini cannot have its own history by itself?

absoluteSuccess:
Alright here it comes...

We have been made to believe that Yoruba ancestors came from Mecca. But in actual sense, its from Abel beth Maca, and not Mecca.

The revolutionary that led the Yoruba elements to this place was named Sheba. What does the word sheba connotes in Yoruba?

'One who offend the king'. I think this is the origina Lamurudu that was killed at Maca, and he was the father of Yoruba migration.

Now it make sense that the prophet of islam is aware of the Yoruba history hence he said those hebrew who turn aside Allah has cursed.

Say, "Shall I inform you (of) worse than that (as) recompense from Allah? Whom Allah has cursed and He became angry with him and made of them [the] apes and [the] swines, and (who) worshipped the false deities. Those (are) worse (in) position and farthest astray from (the) even way."

The prophet of Islam is aware of a branch of israelites that has turned to apes, as white racists loved to call blacks (apes obey!).

The prophet said:

Those of the Children of Israel who went astray were cursed by the tongue of David, and of Jesus, son of Mary. That was because they rebelled and used to transgress.

You will observe that going astray may be a way of shading the migration of the Yoruba and to portray the opinion that it did not receive the blessing of David (or Jesus)

There is hidden history in this.

Haoqi24:
God Bless you

absoluteSuccess:
I'm feeling lucky to have your hands on the oars.

I have a gift for you on this your Yoruba/Hebrew project. Its the little that I think will go a long way to help you as a Seer..

absoluteSuccess:
I'm feeling lucky to have your hands on the oars.

I have a gift for you on this your Yoruba/Hebrew project. Its the little that I think will go a long way to help you as a Seer..

hayoholla:
As much as I am a avid reader and researcher of anything history, I will not subscribe to the notion of a word in a "language" being the corrupted form of the same word in different language, especially in history. The mistake we all make when unravelling histories and laying them bare to clear the curiosity of 21st century man, especially in area of word etymology and human language is using english as a basis of stripping the meaning of older and near extinct language, which is wrong.
We forget to remember that there are thousands of language that predates the engish language. The thing is no matter how old or extinct a language might be, they tend to evolve! I can categorically say no language is never extinct, all we have is evolution of languages.
The language you and I speaks today are of course not the original language of the particular tribe we belong to.

So what I am saying in essence is that before any old or recent/new language can be translated, there must be a corresponding/similar language that stems from such language. This means the recent lnguage we speak is newer verion of the generic language peculiar to the tribe we belong to. Why am I arguing this?

The reason is saying the ijebu pple are also the descandant of the jebusite is very lazy attempt to strip language/history of her veil. How come you use english word to validate a yoruba word! Because they are similar in pronunciation does not lay credence to their link, its absurd! Cant type longer than this, thanks