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777philosopher:
you are so spiritual blind and dumb. when God created Adam, he made him from the soil. what is the colour of the soil? it is dark brown. Adam is a Black Man. even scientists prove that the origin of mankind is in Africa. but other races were created from fallen angel dna and animal genes. do you know our black African Ancestors in the past were advanced in technology. OK. they built ancient structures.

What is the colour of evil “acclaimed wise man"? It is not only fallen angel but ascended angel. Have you seen a real angel before? can you look at a real angel ? Do you think the real angel have the look of human beings? You make me laugh...

777philosopher:
you are so spiritual blind and dumb. when God created Adam, he made him from the soil. what is the colour of the soil? it is dark brown. Adam is a Black Man. even scientists prove that the origin of mankind is in Africa. but other races were created from fallen angel dna and animal genes. do you know our black African Ancestors in the past were advanced in technology. OK. they built ancient structures.

Whoa! God must be truly be black....The Bible you quoted talked about clay image of God being created but did you see anywhere God was referred to as black again? You may be in love with Hamitic blood but I am not because MY YORUBA TRADITION DIDN'T MENTION MY GOD WITH ANY COLOUR.... LEARN THE TRUTH..

Qmerit:
You just contradict yourself, in mentioning me eyeah go back read your mentioned slowly

Did I?, I didn't bro. I only buttress the fact PMB is THE PROBLEM because he has no listening ears. Head or tail, Nigeria is “relatively" @ peace. Glory to God.

777philosopher:
the African Black Man is the Ultimate Creator and the King of the Earth. it is our Heavenly Bantu Ancestral Gods that created the Universe. do you know that the Leader and the most powerful , it is a Black Man that has Long dreadlocks. his eyes are blazing with fires. he sits on a Royal Throne. He controls everything that happens. he created Angels, Demons, and other kind of spirits. even Lucifer-the king of hell bows before him. Black African Men are the Gods of the Earth.

I don't know the complexion of the creator of the universe but 3/4 of the earth is surrounded by water(blue colour),the Sky is blue colour with a blend of white. The sun bring forth light (yellow kind of colour but turns whitish on the planet earth). I find it hard to believe black man's colour is the colour of the creator nor a white a man's colour. However, if you have proof, I am willing to learn about this Black creator.

Qmerit:
Madness.. what was this guy really advising GEJ then?, cause he has never for once impressed me.

can you advice someone who sees your opinion as invalid before you table it before him ? Work for a women and see how difficult it is to satisfy her. Take a critical appraisal of a woman's approach towards issue in comparison with PMB's. You will be amazed! Osinbajo isn't the problem nor other subordinates but PMB.

@Olaochi, ....it is not true about the discovery you mentioned of the site of human development at JEBBA BUT JABA/JABBA of NOK CULTURE . And
the Nok culture is an early Iron Age population whose material remains are named after the
Ham village of Nok in Nigeria , Africa, where their famous terracotta sculptures were first discovered in 1928. The Nok Culture appeared in northern Nigeria around 1000 BCE and vanished under unknown circumstances around 500 CE, thus having lasted for approximately 1,500 years. [1]
Iron use, in smelting and forging for tools, appears in Nok culture by at least 550 BCE and possibly earlier. Data from historical linguistics suggest that iron smelting was independently discovered in the region prior to 1000 BCE.

HAM PEOPLE
Hyam , or Jabba , is a regionally important dialect cluster of Plateau languages in Nigeria. Hyam of Nok is the prestige dialect . Blench (2008) treats it, Sait, and Dzar as distinct languages, and notes that Yaat and Ankun may also be separate
Jaba is a Local Government Area in Kaduna State , Nigeria . Its headquarters are in the town of Kwoi (Har Kwain) in Hyam , the language of almost all the entire inhabitants of the local area. The people know themselves as the Ham and speak Hyam but are called 'Jaba' by the Hausa.
The origin of the word 'Jaba' is suggested by Koelle (1854:19) to have emerged during the contact of the people of Ham with the Hausa just about 1800s. Koelle's book records four (4) Ham youth captured during a war with the Hausa in 1846/7 and sold into slavery as revealed in an interview in 1853. According to the youth, the people are Ham or Fu Ham but labelled 'Jaaba' by the Hausa. This suggests the label, Jaba, was not accepted by the Ham at least before the year 1846–7 when the youth who gave information about the area were captured. The use of Jaba to refer to the Ham therefore may not have been more than 168 years now. Further, the meaning of the word 'Jaba' is not clear but it is suggestive of a derogatory description of the people of Ham as the house mouse/rat with the long mouth, poisonous and dangerous (Hayab, J. P. no date).

The question one would expect therefore is how this seemingly derogatory term got to be accepted by the people and utilised to describe them and even gazetted as the identity of a people or the location they are found calls for inquiry. Historically, the Ham must have lived in their current location for 40,000 years with reference to the age of the famous Nok terracotta excavated from the Ham village of Nok. In fact the town of Nok is barely four (4) kilometres from Har Kwain (Kwoi) where the local government secretariat of 'Jaba' is located. It is even shorter by a foot path via Sab Zuro, also an area believed to have been the earliest settlements of what is today 'Kwoi' town (Hayab, J. P. no date).

The word 'Kwoi' is a corruption of the term 'Kwain' ("to scratch" in Hyam). The influence of Hausa contact and its language hence has left an indelible mark on the people of Ham and their association with the name, 'Jaba'. The Ham however are not only located in 'Jaba' local government area but are found in equal number if not more in Kachia local government with sparse populations in Jema'a and Kagarko local governments. There are also Ham villages like Akaleku Sidi, Ayaragu, Masaka, Gitata and Panda with over fifty (50) years of settlement in present day Nassarawa state of Nigeria (Hayab, J. P. ongoing research).


NOK SCULPTURE ATTACHED IS DIFFERENT FROM YORUBA'S KIND OF SCULPTURE..YORUBA PEOPLE CAME WITH A. MORE ADVANCED SCULPTURE DESIGN COMPARED TO ANCIENT ETRUSCAN CULTURE .

OlaoChi:
And this is where Pseudo-isms come in. Like Physics or any of the pure sciences, History as a social science follows a method. it is not a believe system and knowledge of it is not improved by a belief-system

If we all brought our belief-systems into Physics, Astronomy, Biology, there would be no advancement
from the dark ages of europe, when Religion and Beliefs were creeping into studies, europe made no advancement, it did not even grow in Art.

What I am saying in essence is that Belief-system should be thrown out the window when making intellectual discussions, because belief-system will close the mind to the most obvious of facts and evidence. Just as it has done to you

The likes of Frank Willet, Suzanne Blier have made rigorous studies on Ife culture and history, using the historical method Sir, there is no doubt that has early as 350BC Ife was already a striving African Civilization(Ife's foundation would have been much earlier). Then from what we learn from Linguists, The Yoruba, Edo, Igbo languages separated at about 2000BC. Notable collators of oral tales like Prof. Eluyemi have told how Ife has always been the reference to the beginning of Yoruba culture, he has also made public more details about the origin of Oduduwa, throwing all the mecca, sudan etc hypothesis to the trash bin.

so, I'm not speaking based on belief-system but facts, for you to say you know what these professors(in some of the best Universities in the world) don't know, you would have to provide far more outstanding evidence than they have.

But you have admitted by this post that your posts on History is not based on evidence but a belief system, how then do you expect to be taken seriously? let's imagine you publish a book, how far will that book go in the Historical community without evidence?

You do know little about Odua. Professor Eluyemi can never outrightly speak against the tradition of Yoruba ancestors because he saw more but said or wrote less on the ones shown to him at ILE IFE and the ones he knew did he only told the world. CERTAIN YORUBA TRADITION WHICH YOU DESIRE TO KNOW IS SHROUDED IN SECRECY. It takes the deep to call out unto the deep......Yoruba language didn't break away from Ibo language 2000Bc because Ibo language is older than Yoruba language. Yoruba language had developed a system of panegyric which Ibos didn't had developed before 2000 years ago. How do you now refer to Ibo and Yoruba connection apart from marriage factor.If that theory being propounded were to be true, then all languages developed from Babel ..Land of Nimrod (between Middle East and Horn of Africa's environment). The truth is that these writers are taken advantage of people economically because of greed to make money. Odu'a as progenitor of Yoruba story sells and these wicked people takes advantage of it . Do you know many Odua descendants have very dark woolly hair or locked hair? You might even meet some and not know that he or she is odua descendants. Naturally, they are like every neighbours of yours even you.... Do you know Einstein theory of law of gravity has proven to be true? IT WAS BECAUSE A ‘BELIEF THEORY' EXISTED IN THE MIND OF EINSTEIN AND THE RESEARCHERS THAT PROVED IT. BELIEF IS AN INSTINCT DRIVER.

Muafrika2:
Actually, you just sound like you are copy pasting this shallow theory of yours

LOL, COPY POST OR PASTE? YOU ARE QUITE HILARIOUS ....WHATEVER YOU CHOSE TO BELIEVE, GO AHEAD BRO....WORD!

MtuMsuper:
Sir, you are just monumentally thick. Did you lose your way to the jokes or romance section. The kenyans on this thread will not have any problems tearing you to bits. You just lack substance.
Ps: A CEO is exactly that. A chief executive officer. Not the majority shareholder. An employee. Not an oligarch. My sister belongs to a women's investment organisation commonly called chama in Kenya, and they have at least 22 mln in shares in safaricom, even more than Bob's as stated by a poster above. 35% is in corporate terms a controlling stake. Say what you want about our very famous telco, they are trail blazers and innovators. And their market dominance is something worth studying and emulating To my mind, the one glaring advantage safaricom has is they have crossed the bridge between ordinary company and service provider and made themselves a kenyan institution, something only firms like GM in America or Tata in India have done. They have blurred the distinction between a private firm and a social service.

Tear who into what? Joking? I am sure you are. In fact what are you inferring? What you saw in that piece of mine is the standard of C. E. O personage. I am not just a commentator on that section of the economy but studied the field encompassing all of it as a DISCIPLINE ...Google C. E. O and his/her role then you will understand. I didn't mention anywhere, C. E. O in a billion dollars or less as the outright owner except in a PRIVATE company. But once company becomes quoted in a stock exchange control body in any polity, it speaks of itself as a public entity. Then whoever is chosen serves the interests of the share holders including himself. In a public entity or private entity , DORMANT INVESTORS EXISTS but board of directors take care of their interest and the C. E. O does the WORK of bringing more fortunes to the company based on his or experience or connection etc .....Bro, this is the FACT

MtuMsuper:
Sir, you are just monumentally thick. Did you lose your way to the jokes or romance section. The kenyans on this thread will not have any problems tearing you to bits. You just lack substance.
Ps: A CEO is exactly that. A chief executive officer. Not the majority shareholder. An employee. Not an oligarch. My sister belongs to a women's investment organisation commonly called chama in Kenya, and they have at least 22 mln in shares in safaricom, even more than Bob's as stated by a poster above. 35% is in corporate terms a controlling stake. Say what you want about our very famous telco, they are trail blazers and innovators. And their market dominance is something worth studying and emulating To my mind, the one glaring advantage safaricom has is they have crossed the bridge between ordinary company and service provider and made themselves a kenyan institution, something only firms like GM in America or Tata in India have done. They have blurred the distinction between a private firm and a social service.

Tear who into what? Joking? I am sure you are. In fact what are you inferring? What you saw in that piece of mine is the standard of C. E. O personage. I am not just a commentator on that section of the economy but studied the field encompassing all of it as a DISCIPLINE ...Google C. E. O and his/her role then you will understand. I didn't mention anywhere, C. E. O in a billion dollars or less as the outright owner except in a PRIVATE company. But once company becomes quoted in a stock exchange control body in any polity, it speaks of itself as a public entity. Then whoever is chosen serves the interests of the share holders including himself. In a public entity or private entity , DORMANT INVESTORS EXISTS but board of directors take care of their interest and the C. E. O does the WORK of bringing more fortunes to the company based on his or experience or connection.....Bro, this is the FACT

absoluteSuccess:
Ajuwase ooo.

Ashé wa

absoluteSuccess:
Welcome my prince, son of the great one.

Please where are you from bro?

Let us not be carried away because this is a forum where people are CONSCIOUS. I AM WITH YOU MY DEAR BROTHER ALWAYS.

absoluteSuccess:
Welcome my prince, son of the great one.

Please where are you from bro?

Eledumare a duro ti gbo gbo omo ati iran Odu'a pelu ebi Oba tala ati gbo awon Iran lotun losi ti won tedo si ILE UFE . A ju wa sè

absoluteSuccess:
Wow, great to know!!!

How did you confirm him as your ancestor?

Can you give an impeccable oriki that trace back to him?

I am the son of OWA LUUSI. TRACE THAT NAME YOU WILL KNOW. THIS IS SOCIAL MEDIA, MANY PEOPLE MAY BE UNAWARE OF SOME THINGS BUT AM VERY CONSERVATIVE, SENSITIVE AND CAREFUL . HIS SWORD AND REGALIA AND MY ORIKI SPEAKS OF WHO I AM. DOUBT ME ? CHECK ORIKI ONI.(ADEYEYE OGUNWUSI) .. ODUA PATRILINEAL IS the lineage praised as KAARE O' BA.

absoluteSuccess:
But Oduduwa csan come from Mecca or Ile-Ife isn't it?

You guys are making us beg to identify with the name that had its origin in our enclave because it got popular with Yoruba history.

Before the rest of Yoruba adopt Oduduwa as their progenitor, the Aworis have had centuries of religious experience with the name Oduduwa.

Oduduwa is the name of the religion of the Awori people, before Samuel Johnson plucked the name from Yoruba phylum of liturgy to be identified as Yoruba ancestor.

Like the children of Israel, our water have been sold to us.

He became a religion because he was ordained and divinely BLESSED. I KNOW SOME OF HIS DESCENDANTS OF PATRILINEAL BLOOD.

absoluteSuccess:
But Oduduwa csan come from Mecca or Ile-Ife isn't it?

You guys are making us beg to identify with the name that had its origin in our enclave because it got popular with Yoruba history.

Before the rest of Yoruba adopt Oduduwa as their progenitor, the Aworis have had centuries of religious experience with the name Oduduwa.

Oduduwa is the name of the religion of the Awori people, before Samuel Johnson plucked the name from Yoruba phylum of liturgy to be identified as Yoruba ancestor.

Like the children of Israel, our water have been sold to us.

He became a religion because he was divinely BLESSED. I AM ONE OF HIS DESCENDANTS

absoluteSuccess:
Yea, I'm related to ketu from my paternal grandmother, she's from ketu (ohori). But my ancestry is Awori. That piece of history is from Oduduwa temple at Ado Odo, which is situated at Ilaje.

The same temple was visited by Bishop Ajayi Crowther, who dubbed Ado as 'spiritual heartland of the Yorubas' back in 1840s. I want to know, are you telling me to abandon my ancestral tradition?

How dare I opined such view for you to abandon such belief? But Late Bishop Samuel Crowther made such opinion based on his perspective but he Odua couldn't have come from Ado odo but his daughter that married Obatala could have been the reason such was pronounced. I HAVE KNOWLEDGE ON ODUA LINEAGE OF FATHER'S SIDE OF THE FAMILY IN COMPARISON WITH THEIR FEMALE BLOOD. PLEASE DON'T GET ME WRONG ABOUT THIS BUT MALE DOMINATE. THE MALE LINEAGE IS SACRED BECAUSE IT'S THEIR FAMILY WAY OF LIFE..... Some odu ifa eulogy identified Odua as a warrior but loveable man. He was a genius and tactical. My dear brother, Odua was a man...

absoluteSuccess:
My brother, I'm from the Yoruba group that held that Oduduwa was a woman, as a result, Yoruba tradition of Oduduwa coming to Ile-Ife is not a historical fort with me.

There is how ancient Yoruba record their history, how intelligent are we to d-ecrypt such record? I know of someone here who never tried out a thread on Yoruba but is sure of what happened to Obatala.

Whaooo! This is quite interesting! Well, I am shocked beyond my bone marrow but nevertheless it is a theory that I disagree with because.. I have seen a account of ALAKETOU that mentioned such but I saw such view as subverting the true nature of event which I strongly believe was as a result of the first female child given out to OBATALA to the mend ways and become related biologically. Funny enough I know odo lineage of odua and their oriki showed more strength on the patrilineal than their matrilineal. This doesn't mean they don't acknowledge their matrilineal but more on their father side . But they have more males than females from their lineage.. Odua was a MAN...And anyone who claimed to know how Obatala died must be quite spiritual in the Yoruba way but truthfully...... the only people who can do that are the only set of people that can pè ori éda and must be an initiate but whatever anyone sees spiritually is because Eledumare permit what he decides people to see else his power become impotent if human beings can see millions of years back but far be it because the strength of almighty Eledua rest in his patience and his Supreme power of history of the past,today and future. Are you from ALAKETU LINEAGE?

absoluteSuccess:
Thanks very much for the info sir. While I appreciate your effort on this subject, I also need to inform you of certain things: you may not have all the information at your disposal. I believe its not necessary to offer every detail in the book.

I for instance, I don't work with two ideas that fails to have natural co relationship: fact must exhibit principles that makes fact, fact. One fact can be origin and the other one, destination. It become hard fact once their is a shuttle link. The missing link is what I'm believing to be history.

What is 'history' is, each man's sketch to make room for their assumptions and biases. I mean what is history to charles Darwin is not history to Compte de Gobineu, every man to his own biases. Every naration does not translate to fact. I don't believe in Yoruba originating at ile-ife, but that doesn't mean I don't believe in Yoruba history and the place of ife at a vantage point in Yoruba history.

Whatever happens between obatala and oduduwa needs to happen if it ever happen. But sorry I have my own findings to make.

Odua and Obatala came into this issue to truly assert some truth in between the oral account being speculated. No account in oral spoken about twice that has “100% accuracy", How much more million times reference. I do source for information as you do . Like I have seen the writers that opined their opinion and careful analysis have concluded about YORUBA CULTURE PERPETUALLY HAVING ISRAEL TRADITION. Late Samuel Johnson couldn't write deep about this but did his best. The Western researchers have done more than enough to conclude such. But at what point is not yet known because JIHADISTS DESTROYED EGYPT JEWISH TEMPLE THAT was calculated from the days of Hosea around 300BC.-850BC before it vanished and Millions of these Israelites couldn't be seen or found again. Ga, Ashante, in present day Ghana have a culture similar to Israel culture in one way or the other. There are some Yoruba names of ancient that you hardly know the meaning. ILE IFE WAS cosmopolitan when people were arriving and Odua group had upper hand. That's seen even if there's a pointer that these people that disagreed weren't strangers but arrival was in three droves.. Torah was only synonyms with CANAAN PEOPLE OF ISRAEL ANCESTRY. Though I am expected to contribute my view and finding as well each and everyone including your able self who are meant to unravel this concept being propagated all around. In fact, this is even the first factoring of the suspicious angle to the claim by Yoruba Race as the descendants of God. The Yoruba are one believers of their religion either in captivity or not, they keep holding on to their religion. Have you any knowledge of Sufism? Yoruba Ilorin Muslims knows more on it. In fact, And still follow large portion of Yoruba traditions. This characterised the ancient Israelites despite influence from other kingdoms when in captivity. From the least account I have seen, Yoruba have been on Islamic scholars radar for over 700 years that I know of. Do you have idea on the remaining 2500+ years? Lastly, I am not against your view or research but we are meant to do critical analysis on evidence and oral as well as Islamic record of it to be a starting point if we really want to know . I have shared my opinion based on my finding. And I shall still share more. It doesn't stop anyone from criticising it. But I want evidence of their or your opinion. I have given a name of a man(Arab/from Mali) that did research on Yoruba in 1325-1354 that are known by some scholars. Lastly, Yoruba can't be found in the world historical record because it was a name given to Yoruba traders in 16th century,trading at Mahli by Muslim scholar,Ahmed Baba before the sultan of sokoto even came to know it. And the name is from ANCIENT YEMEN. SO, therefore Yoruba coinage don't exist in the old order of human history.......

absoluteSuccess:
Thanks very much for the info sir. While I appreciate your effort on this subject, I also need to inform you of certain things: you may not have all the information at your disposal. I believe its not necessary to offer every detail in the book.

I for instance, I don't work with two ideas that fails to have natural co relationship: fact must exhibit principles that makes fact, fact. One fact can be origin and the other one, destination. It become hard fact once their is a shuttle link. The missing link is what I'm believing to be history.

What is 'history' is, each man's sketch to make room for their assumptions and biases. I mean what is history to charles Darwin is not history to Compte de Gobineu, every man to his own biases. Every naration does not translate to fact. I don't believe in Yoruba originating at ile-ife, but that doesn't mean I don't believe in Yoruba history and the place of ife at a vantage point in Yoruba history.

Whatever happens between obatala and oduduwa needs to happen if it ever happen. But sorry I have my own findings to make.

Odua and Obatala came into this issue to truly assert some truth in between the oral account being speculated. No account in oral spoken about twice that has “100% accuracy", How much more million times reference. I do source for information as you do . Like I have seen the writers that opined their opinion and careful analysis have concluded about YORUBA CULTURE PERPETUALLY HAVING ISRAEL TRADITION. Late Samuel Johnson couldn't write deep about this but did his best. The Western researchers have done more than enough to conclude such. But at what point is not yet known because JIHADISTS DESTROYED EGYPT JEWISH TEMPLE THAT was calculated from the days of Hosea around 300BC.-850BC before it vanished and Millions of these Israelites couldn't be seen or found again. Ga, Ashante, in present day Ghana have a culture similar to Israel culture in one way or the other. There are some Yoruba names of ancient that you hardly know the meaning. ILE IFE WAS cosmopolitan when people were arriving and Odua group had upper hand. That's seen even if there's a pointer that these people that disagreed weren't strangers but arrival was in three droves.. Torah was only synonyms with CANAAN PEOPLE OF ISRAEL ANCESTRY. Though I am expected to contribute my view and finding as well each and everyone including your able self who are meant to unravel this concept being propagated all around. In fact, this is even the first factoring of the suspicious angle to the claim by Yoruba Race as the descendants of God. The Yoruba are one believers of their religion either in captivity or not, they keep holding on to their religion. Have you any knowledge of Sufism? Yoruba Ilorin Muslims knows more on it. In fact, And still follow large portion of Yoruba traditions. This characterised the ancient Israelites despite influence from other kingdoms when in captivity. From the least account I have seen, Yoruba have been on Islamic scholars radar for over 700 years that I know of. Do you have idea on the remaining 2500+ years? Lastly, I am not against your view or research but we are meant to do critical analysis on evidence and oral as well as Islamic record of it to be a starting point if we really want to know . I have shared my opinion based on my finding. And I shall still share more. It doesn't stop anyone from criticising it. But I want evidence of their or your opinion. I have given a name of a man(Arab/from Mali) that did research on Yoruba in 1325-1354 that are known by some scholars. Lastly, Yoruba can't be found in the world historical record because it was a name given to Yoruba traders in 16th century,trading at Mahli by Muslim scholar,Ahmed. Yoruba coinage don't exist in the old order of human history.

akanbiaa:
Yoruba people can't correct someone without adding insult as a suffix....

(1) "do it like this, ode"
(2) "press the red button, oponu"
(3) " Hold it for me, didirin!...
(4)" You can't greet person, alaileko
(5)" Give it to your broda jor, agbaaya
(6)" Go and baff jor, obun
(7)Go and do your assignment, olodo
(You better wake up... oloorυn iya
(9) Yago lona funmi jooor.... arindin.
(10) Iwo ni mounpe.... aditi
(11) Where are you coming from? Oni irin kurin
(12) stop writing on d wall. Baseje
(13)U forgot wat I told u just now alakogbagbe!
(14)So the one u eat is not enough, olonje iya
(15)Who put your mouth there, Saliu elenuu gbooro
(16) Is that where I asked you to put it, abunu
(17) I know you are laffing now...oniyeye
(18) Shaa forward to others... Amebo

Kudos

absoluteSuccess:
Epic, as in...

Believe whatever you chose to believe, I have equal entitlement to my belief-system.

Your convictions does not make you superior to me however hard and clever you try.

My mind remain as made up as yours with your short-cut to any answer you sought.

Obatala and Odua lineage were the two groups that had issue and war broke out. My dear brother, little has been said about these wars. Some ancient tales about Yoruba are shrouded with myth. Too many of it. From the account of so many scholars even Yoruba Professor Ogunmakin,findings etc showed supporters of Odua and Obatala engaged in a civil war. ILE IFE is never the beginning of Creation. Take for instance, Egypt is far far older. Have you searched for IBN BATTÛTA, A MAHLIAN TRAVELLER'S ACCOUNT around 13th century?There were no king proper but a group of leaders of the settlements. Odua perfected it .Do you hear about the history of OTUN's account? He was not a son of Odua but a benefactor. The story talked about emerging from the Sea. Now tell me,How can one emerged from the Sea without coming on a boat or ship? Do you know that Obatala lineage is link with antelope and elephants sacrifice as well as flowers (plants)and odua lineage is linked with Ram and hippopotamus sacrifices. Does this mean anything to you? Who are the people who uses such in the past in the ancient times ? Egypt perfected writing around 3000 years ago, the SUMERIANS in the Middle East around 5000 years ago. And you expect people to have lived from the beginning of the world at ILE IFE. practically FALSE. I am using the five method I have deduced -Oral account , Middle East war account , Bible, Islamic war account and archaeological . Tell if people had lived before 5000 years and developed writing before 5000 years , when did the Egyptians story begun in comparison to the assumed ILE IFE? which one is older among the two ? So many things yet to be unravelled

GERALD710:
Bob Collymore serves the interests of the Government of Kenya, the largest Shareholder Safaricom and Vodafone Kenya as well as those who invested in Safaricom through the NSE, most of them Kenyan.
He does not serve the interests of anyone else. He has sh 18 million worth of shares in Safaricom.
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Safaricom-CEO-Bob-Collymore-declares-wealth/1056-2989672-15h85tr/index.html
A company worth sh 600 billion thus his shares are less than 0.01% of the value of Safaricom. Heck I know people with more shares in Safaricom than him!!

Don't drag me inn on safaricom. I only reacted based on what your co-citizen typed as it regard wealth and Economy in comparison of Nigeria and kenya. And I easily emphasise on the wealthiest private Telecom owned by an individual personage of Chief Mike Adenuga,Owner of Glo Telecom. This led to the issue of safaricom and Bob. Thereafter I opined that Bob naturally won't represent the interest of Kenya's government only which OWNS 35% shares of the company. This make kenya government not the majority shareholder. Thus,make Kenya government a partner in the business and not an outright authority that can determine the fate of such company. Then apart from 40% of the parent company, which serve interest of individuals too called “pooling" that invested their money in safaricom . The other 35% in the others private hands can even be owned by few individuals who could use different stockbrokers to secure such shares with fictitious names. Bob own a great deal of shares and he represent broad shareholders

OlaoChi:
I do not intend to quarrel but what is wrong with condemning what is condemnable and proven false?

There was no migration to Ife under obatala, obatala was, similar to the likes of Obajio, Obawinrin, Obalejugbe, one of the original 13 kings of Ife, he held the most senior position due to his popularity

And a great misinformation you have here is saying there were 46 pre-oduduwa kings. No! There was over 90 kings, each heading the council of the 13 original kings of Ife

46 kings before Odu'a + 51 kings. Believe whatever you chose but this is what I have seen...

OlaoChi:
I do not intend to quarrel but what is wrong with condemning what is condemnable and proven false?

There was no migration to Ife under obatala, obatala was, similar to the likes of Obajio, Obawinrin, Obalejugbe, one of the original 13 kings of Ife, he held the most senior position due to his popularity

And a great misinformation you have here is saying there were 46 pre-oduduwa kings. No! There was over 90 kings, each heading the council of the 13 original kings of Ife

You are left to believe in what the oral told you but there was . This has been proven by even their own account. For instance, There is no single sign of any signs of any kingdoms at ILE IFE which involved proper settlement. Show me evidence of any. It is not about Obatala or even odua. These people knows nothing but IFA TRADITION. Then the oldest form group that developed herbs usage were the Egyptians.Ammon,Ancient Ethiopia Kingdom. Have you seen any of the artifacts excavated that dated between 11th -12th century? None of it proves yet of human settlement which Yoruba claim as the beginning of mankind. This also annulled the Yoruba calendar as dated back to 10600 years this coming JUNE 20017 CLAIMS.. The first inhabitants of Nigeria are even mentioned to be BANTU GROUPS. Show me where the Yoruba language was proven to be older than Egyptians or Ethiopians or Ancients LIBYA. ARCHEOLOGICAL FINDING IS HIGHER THAN ORAL AND FROM IT DO YOU KNOW THESE KINGS COUNT EVEN BE ACCOUNTED FOR. THESE PEOPLE LIVED BEFORE OBATALA AND ADIMUELA.... NOW, LET THEM TELL US THE EXPLOIT OF THESE PEOPLE WHERE THESE KINGS...THEY CAN'T BUT MEMORY.. IN YORUBA ACCOUNT OF ORAL. THERE WAS AN ACCOUNT WHERE THERE WAS LONG INTERRUPTION OF YORUBA ACCOUNT. WHAT WAS THEIR ACCOUNT? NO ONE LIVED IN AFRICA DURING THE TIME ANCIENT YORUBA CLAIM WITHOUT KNOWING AND HEARING ABOUT EGYPT'S MIGHT. WAS THERE ACCOUNT OF SUCH? NO ..

WINNERMENTALITY:
Seee achievement,,, like they say Obasanjo brought gsm to Nigeria.... Never knew yoroubas are mediocres like this.

Mediocre you call it? Then you aren't a deep thinker..... Learn to be one. Criticise based on genuineness and not because the vice president is a Yoruba man and his doing his own part while his boss is away. But isn't it true that there is relative peace in the South south? We don't truly hate any group but stand for what is right.....

[quote author=OlaoChi post=54168851]That you are a writer doesn't mean a thing if you have the wrong sources or use false methods. Many writers have come and gone bringing Egypt, Sudan, Israel, Arab connection claims, all have so far been debunked. It would sure be a waste of your own time and resources to publish similar material only to be even harshly debunked. So I hope your evidence is solid not hypothetical( which I think it is), solid enough to rubbish some of the Ife claims that have been backed up by local rituals and ceremonies, oral traditions and archaeology


Like ooni (who has now deactivated his account) implied , your religion is holding you up to some emotional attachments to Israel. I hope your eyes truly get opened to it eventually

Ire o[/quote} .........@Ooni did not answer the two questions I inquired of him. Did he? Have you surf the net to see some begging info? I chatted with Ooni and he tried to quashed one germane aspect of history which he could not because oral history is a pointer to who and what believe the speaker hold as his own account of existence and through which archaeological findings can back it up with excavation even if flaws exist in it . He is a believer of Yoruba tradition to a no fault but many myth of Yoruba aren't true.. Having a scientific proof of existence at ILE IFE shows it wasn't the beginning of the world and DOESN'T MEAN that the settlers were originally YORUBA people, does it? Eredo Kingdom, doesn't mean it was truly a Yoruba kingdom, does it? The excavation saw at ILE IFE WAS being calculated to be around 11th-13th century of Obalufon etc sculptures . Some had marks on their faces and some didn't had Mark, do you know?...There are more info. But if you know about Middle East war, Persian were babies compared to Assyrians and Babylonians. The Assyrians that they talked about are partly people in Europe. Now on the Yoruba to develop at same time, it was a big lie. The only time proper development was seen around 10th century. And these were period there were the last onslaught between Coptic Christians and Islam. Yoruba tradition is seen in Torah,do you know?,How did we have a religion closely related to Israel? Oyo Alaafin have an account of Yoruba migration from Medina and not mecca. Medina is a corrupt word of MODI'IN. EVEN around 350BC Israelites were already living in Africa e. g Egypt with other Tribes under the supervision of AMMON/Egypt. More migration took place from Judah to Qahatan(yemen) Aswan, elephanté, Ethiopia, Morroco etc, around 620BC all through to 17th century. And when Europeans got their butt together, they kicked Islam out massively in the 18th century and finally onslaught after they mended their differences. DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE EYES MEANS SOMETHING IN YORUBA TRADITION,WHITE COLOUR, SHAWL USED ON SHOULDER BY YORUBA SPIRITUALISTS, THE PROSTRATION THAT CAN ONLY BE FOUND IN YORUBA CULTURE AND CANAAN ONLY . can you tell me Yoruba developed this on their own? The Bible is about 3400- 1900 years old and it is the only book which wrote about Israel and prostration. No part of Africa does such way to greet. Yoruba warriors wrapped leather amulet(after incantation on it) on their heads,on their body during war times. This is in Torah. Yoruba language isn't the oldest. Why then do we(Yoruba) claim the beginning of mankind? Do you know the oldest human bone found in Yoruba land is not even 10,000 years old but between 6500-9000 years old and not the oldest in Africa nor in the world. So do your findings and proof me wrong.. PROOF ME WRONG? who on Nairaland want to proof me wrong or books written for more than 200 years. The whites are so crazy about knowing the Yoruba identity that is too much of A PROTOTYPE OF ANCIENT ISRAELITES.

codedruns2:
must you bring God into everything?

so if they Awolowos now in governement circle steal and plunder the state finances that will be God's design for Nigeria since according to your anology is God that put them in those positions?


these awolowos are only in VPs circles - advisers and PA, and helpers

what manesfestation did your God say about the Sarakis?
Igbenidions ?
Shagari etc

Be honest to yourself. Nothing in life happens without hard work and favour. Awolowo went to Jail for defending Yoruba course severally, even lost his first son to it. Do you know? And when he didn't get Yoruba freedom,he went for the alternative which was granted some years after 1953, But he did wonder in Africa, being the first to introduce television station in Africa. This alone was a pointer to a blessing that awaited his generations. Some of you just hid hatred for Yoruba for no just course but I am enjoying every bit of IBOS ANTICS. A WISE MAN CAN'T BE WISER IF HE REMAINS WISE. AWOLOWO IS A BLESSED GENERATION. can you see the relative peace at hand? God don't lie and if you don't believe in God, it isn't a big deal but you can see the difference when nature's at work...

The Country called Nigeria is truly and eternally A CASE STUDY.

GERALD710:
He is the CEO of Safaricom.Appointed there by the Government of Kenya and Vodafone, just like Michael Joseph was before him.
Bob Collymore does not own Safaricom, nor was he the one who started it!!!
He is an employee who can be hired and fired if he blunders and will leave the company when his contract ends.
Safaricom, again is OWNED BY THE GOVERNMENT AND PEOPLE OF KENYA as the Majority shareholders at 60%!!
The fact that the CEO(who btw is now a Kenyan Citizen) was born outside Kenya shows that Kenya chooses only the best(who need not be Europeans as Collymore is from Guyana) to run Safaricom.
Smh. How do Safaricom and Globacom even compare.
Safaricom was a Government parastatal until 1999!!
Globacom is a private entity.
Smh.Illogical comparisons.

I didn't start the comparison but your Nairobiwalker or whatever name he bears. Read my write up properly. And on appointment, in Businesses as billion dollars or even less isn't just a child's play. Appointment of a specific officer such as C.E.O need serious scrutiny and must be part of the directors interest. In fact C. E. O do have shares in companies. Check my post and read more about C.E.O. And if you know about the mentioned position. Then it is settled.

GERALD710:
Last I checked, South Africans do not own any telco in Kenya
And as someone pointed out Safaricom is worth over $5 billion and no Nigerian owned telco is worth that.
Imagine that A Kenyan Government public corporation larger than a Nigerian private entity in the same sector.

Bro,go check the edited. I was referring to the Guyana,South American Bob Collymore. Typo and corrected afterward. Have a great day [url]

GERALD710:
Last I checked, South Africans do not own any telco in Kenya
And as someone pointed out Safaricom is worth over $5 billion and no Nigerian owned telco is worth that.
Imagine that A Kenyan Government public corporation larger than a Nigerian private entity in the same sector.

Bro,go check the edited. I was referring to the Guyana,South American Bob Collymore. Typo and corrected afterward. Have a great day [/url]

GERALD710:
Last I checked, South Africans do not own any telco in Kenya
And as someone pointed out Safaricom is worth over $5 billion and no Nigerian owned telco is worth that.
Imagine that A Kenyan Government public corporation larger than a Nigerian private entity in the same sector.

Bro,go check the edited. I was referring to the Guyana,South American Bob Collymore. Typo and corrected afterward. Have a great day

GERALD710:
Last I checked, South Africans do not own any telco in Kenya
And as someone pointed out Safaricom is worth over $5 billion and no Nigerian owned telco is worth that.
Imagine that A Kenyan Government public corporation larger than a Nigerian private entity in the same sector.

Bro,go check the edited. I was referring to the Guyana,South American Bob Collymore. Typo and corrected afterward. Have a great day