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rhektor:
The meaning of Eleyoro does not suffice at all in correcting your friend about his use of diacritics, maybe you don't know what diacritics are, it is "àmì ohùn"
Once you get the diacritics wrong you will get the words wrong and consequently not understand what the writer is trying to pass across. The Yorùbá language is a tonal language and as such it is written with diacritics to make sure that your readers won't be missing the right pronunciation. Yorùbá is not the only language with diacritics, French, Arabic etc has diacritics. Please tell your friend, Olu317 to learn the use of diacritics, it is very important because if you get the wrong diacritics you destroy the meaning of words.
For example
Ìgbà = time
Igbá = calabash
Igba = 200

Ifọ́n = a town
Ifọ̀n = a type of skin disease


Èwe = childhood
Ewé = leaf

You can see from these few words that when one write the diacritics is very important to make sure that your reader are not lost to what you mean

Although, sometimes the context could be of help but one wouldn't need to search for context if the diacritics are right. In fact, the diacritics could help you to understand the context
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Cc Macof TAO11

Mr. àmì ohùn, see as you blundered again. Káarè . Rather, it is àmi ohùn which mean sign etc. Teacher teaching abracadabra.....

absoluteSuccess:
Igbà meta nigba Eda laye o,
kalesanwa j'owuro lo bsba rere.

Ebenezer Obey.

Ìgbà, time, dodo.\\

Ìgbá, ikan, (garden egg) Domi, \/ redo,-\
Ìgbá, domi, ikan, redo.

That dictionary you posted up there is completely faculty, every entry on it is wrong based on diacritic, but right as spellings.

Please take note.

If you say so but clarify the sound on these two,
"igbá or ìgbá-calabash and ìgbá - garden egg" as you had posited , because both do not sound as homophone to me.
However, I flow with the accents that point to ìgbáà (fall-rise-fall) as garden egg. Alternatively "ìgbáà",which differs from "igba"(200). Take a look at these syllable, i gb a (aa)- the gbá is to sweep,gbà to recieve. Moreso, ABIDI comes to mind.

The dictionary I use is not outdated one. Not at all. Beside, it has been revised even up till 2010 and beyond, which is the most used Yoruba dictionary. The organisation which produced remains intact.

absoluteSuccess:
@Olu, the option you have here is wrong. The meaning of oró is different from the one that implies speech.

Oró is wild pumpkin, also known as Oro alagogo, I think the name applied because of the bell shape of the fruit. You can get Oro alagogo from elewe omo.

On the other hand, oro, (dodo) is the spoken word. You can only use the option you gave in a progressive conversation, "ema bami sòro gota (guarter) doti jo."

But that's not how it is as entry in Yoruba lexicon, please check your material and cross check with others. If you are not atuned to music, you will struggle with this.

It's like not having ear for beats.

Imagine an arrow, it doesn't point inwards but outward to the target. Something like this > so it's as simple as tonisofa, i.e.,

doremifasolatido,
Dotilasofamiredo.

That's your tonisofa up there, apply it to Yoruba word doremi, gbakoje (take and eat it). Now that we have this, what next.

The arrow. The descending line first "\" then the ascending line "/". The first represent do\ and the last mi "/". Please let it stick.

If you have accent as I can see, adjust to the standard of writing the mainstream Yoruba language, Awo nii gbawo nigbowo.

I can not place where your statement is coming from! Seriously, I am a bit confuse. Anyway, I did not posit ọrọ̀ as word which,means wealthy. While I emphasise on ọ̀rọ as word,or converse etc.

I know pumpkin as elégede, though there synonymous names for things in Yoruba language as done also elsewhere.

The fact, is that every diacritics signs used in Yoruba came through Roman-Latin to affix the mindset of the reader so as to be able to have the idea of the probable pronounciation, so I do not fancy the usage of musical tone alone to know how the pattern flow in the order of mi-high tone,re-mid tone and do-low tone(mi-re-do)

So, let us not footdrag the accurate form of writing yoruba language because there is no such as superior Yoruba dialect.

rhektor:
The meaning of Eleyoro does not suffice at all in correcting your friend about his use of diacritics, maybe you don't know what diacritics are, it is "àmì ohùn"
Once you get the diacritics wrong you will get the words wrong and consequently not understand what the writer is trying to pass across. The Yorùbá language is a tonal language and as such it is written with diacritics to make sure that your readers won't be missing the right pronunciation. Yorùbá is not the only language with diacritics, French, Arabic etc has diacritics. Please tell your friend, Olu317 to learn the use of diacritics, it is very important because if you get the wrong diacritics you destroy the meaning of words.
For example
Ìgbà = time
Igbá = calabash
Igba = 200

Ifọ́n = a town
Ifọ̀n = a type of skin disease


Èwe = childhood
Ewé = leaf

You can see from these few words that when one write the diacritics is very important to make sure that your reader are not lost to what you mean

Although, sometimes the context could be of help but one wouldn't need to search for context if the diacritics are right. In fact, the diacritics could help you to understand the context
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Cc Macof TAO11

It is igbà = time.
And not only ìgbà without any dictionary evidence to proof yours. Mine own has proof shown in the screenshot.
ìgbà is garden egg

Proof yours..

macof:
Lmao
Olu go and change your dictionary. Even many who can speak only a little yoruba, know that it is pronounced "ọ̀rọ̀"

So it means before you type anything in yoruba, you first go to that dictionary where you look up the word and type it here?

Lmaoo . Proof me wrong by posting the diacritic on[b] ọ̀rọ/ọrọ [/b]with your fake
ọ̀rọ̀.

Even online dictionary still maintain close accent with the dictionary's hardcopy.

Post both your hardcopy aswell with your online. write less and post fact. It is that simple , Mr macof.....

rhektor:
You don't need to please me just stop destroying the language we all inherited from our ancestors. There are many people who only search for info online and may take very serious things they read here, stop misleading them

post your own dictionary diacritic for ọ̀rọ "conversation","word."It is as simple as ABC. Or are you a liar ? Proof me wrong. ọ̀rọ̀[/b]x instead it is [b]ọ̀rọ

rhektor:
I challenge you to post a link of this your dictionary let's see those behind the stupid dictionary and call them out for their folly

Lmao. This is the dictionary's word for word or conversation in yoruba remains ọ̀rọ[b][/b] and not ọ̀rọ̀ . The screenshot support it. Kindly do the needful and post your own dictionary. As simple as ABC..

rhektor:
I can not remember ever claiming that Àbá is not father, in fact that is from some dialect in Yorùbá land, if everyone should be using dialects to write Yorùbá words nobody would be able to understand what those not from their clan or subtribe writes. This is the reason for a standardised mode of writing. Your major problem is that you don't know the difference between language and dialect (èdè àdúgbò), If you do you wouldn't be writing nonsense all over nairaland
Ẹ̀bá = father in some eastern Yorùbá dialect
But in general Ẹ̀bá means by the side or beside
You can see that you are making no sense of you keep writing in dialect only your own tribesmen will understand your jargons

Baba/bàbá in Yorùbá means fahther anything outside these is/are from dialects which not all Yorùbá speakers would understand except those who either speak such dialect or have idea of what those who speaks it are saying


Olu, once again go and learn about how to write the Yorùbá language correctly


Cc macof TAO11

I have but you havent
ọ̀rọ(conversation,word)

rhektor:
Which Ake? Lmao what has that got to do with your Moroccan swerve? Olu who do you like this? Why do you like to mingle things up in your bid to escape scrutiny? Truth needs no jumping from tree to tree. You have difficulty in understanding simple things yet you want to lay claim on complex things

Where does Ake comes from in Ileife ? English language is a bit on the swarvy side to you ?

Okay!!! What is the history of Ake in Ileife ? As simple as ABC! or
Tell us Yoruba history of Ake. May be you are even egun sef....

Oh! Morocco is a problem to you? Lmao...Point to the relationship of Morroco to Ake in my question

You people will not kill us with fairy tales of heat being the reason of decomposition of fossil human in West Africa! Oh Yorubaland

Please show me/us if Yoruba has the oldest gene in Africa or dna

understatement ? Yoruba ethnic group is not among the seven(7)oldest.dna in Africa: You cannot bet your money on it

North Africa has the hightest heat in the region of Africa and she holds unto the oldest AXE (tool) found in Africa and one of the oldest in the world. BOMBSHELL........


The fear of èlú is the beginning of sancity.....

rhektor:
Olu317, when will you learn?
Ọ̀rọ̀ =do do (it is low - low tone
Ọ̀rọ = do re (low - high tone)

Guy are you out of your mind? Please take this to a primary school teacher to explain to you as whatever I write for you here seem to be too difficult for you


Cc
TAO11 macof

Are you more correct than Yorúbàá dictionary? It says ọ̀rọ and not ọ̀rọ̀. Professor, I hail thee

rhektor:
The comment you responded to has nothing to do with your response, maybe it's an oversight or deliberate I can not say but I am sure that you decided to wave the issue raised in my comment for an obvious reason

Not oversight but a rejoinder to the past discuss on the word for "father" in Yoruba language.

This thread is about Yoruba and Hebrew,which it is not out of context,if we agree that Yoruba related matter can be in forefront of juxtaposition.

No hard feeling.

macof:
Lmao wetin concern Ondo and the word for father with the matter on ground?
Be calming down and stop running about

Well,you seem forgetful .

rhekor had once claimed father in Yoruba is not abà which all English dictionary claims it is an Hebrew-Aramaic word for father which is shared with Yorubas. This is the reason I drew his attention to ondo's Ekimogun's obà's granted interview, where he spoke about the kingdom's history and he mentioned the word "abà"

Reality is that both ancient Hebrew speakers and Aramaic's are not known . World's Scholar aptly called the language "Isolate language". Fact #Fact# Fact#.

rhektor:
Rẹ and rẹ̀ are both correct as pronoun in the Yorùbá writing

It depends on if it to mean you or him
Rẹ = you
Rẹ̀ = him/her/it

Stop trying so much to make it look like you've not made any mistakes on the use of diacritics, Olu, you don't know how to apply diacritics at all, remember I have called you out on this before?

I have never mentioned that I do not make mistake either due to omission or commission but more of nonchalant attitude towards issue I see as no big deal.

It is 100% accurate that your friends are the ones claiming accuracy to attack my personality,in which even they also fall prey to their attack on me .

Obviously, some of your guys actually are just bent on giving perfect information on Yoruba history when infact, Yoruba as a people have information hidden in her tradition which showed difference between Yorubas and many west Africans groups. This has always being my position because I have information from Yoruba Visual Arts found in Ileife which differs with pyramids found in Iboland And Egyptians Pyramids aswell as the Hieroglyphs of Egypt.

Yorubas do not have pyramids but Obelisk found in Egypt, Near East and Europe. The trident found in Yorubas opa oranmiyan does not exist wholly in Africa,rather it is found in Europe, Near East and Proper Asian records.

This is my point,which to farther the reality of where Yoruba Race's leaders and the thirteen settlement came from, which is distinct from Oramfe group.

rhektor:
You goofed trying to correct what is right lol

Anytime anyone try to correct what is right they destroy it. Olu go and learn the basic use of diacritics in Yorùbá language, you won't die if you do

ọ̀rọ rẹ dàbí ẹni ti kò fẹ́ jẹ́wọ́ ọ̀bun rẹ,

Ọrọ́ = **** ( you probably mean ọ̀rọ̀ = word)
Rẹ = you/your
Dàbí = is like
Ẹni = someone
Ti = peel (you probably mean tí )
Kò = not/don't
Fẹ́ = want
Jẹ́wọ́ = confess/say/assert
Ọ̀bun = ***** [you probably mean Ọ̀bùn = filth, dirty, market (in Ìjẹ̀bú dialect), weakness in context]
Rẹ = you/your (you probably mean rẹ̀ = him/her/it)

You can see word for word that you have destroyed what the actual statement mean by using the wrong diacritics.
If you strap all together in English you have made no sense in the sentence
Cc
TAO11 Macof

It is

ọ̀rọ = word
rẹ= your,thy
dàbí= seems "like"/ looks "like"
ẹni -individual/someone/who
ti= to have
kò =not
fẹ́-be willing to obey
jẹ́wọ́= to confess
ọ̀bun=dirt~filth
rẹ= your

Meanwhile
Your own ọ̀rọ̀ is not correct. Rather it is ọ̀rọ.

Before I let you run away. Have you read history of Ondo ekimogun? If not, then I will send you the link and see what is another word for father in Yoruba language which is also ancient word among Yorubas.

rhektor:
It is Morocco today lol soon it'll be the turn of Libya lmao quit being like this please for the sake of sanity

Are you still living in the 19th century AD ?

If yes, then I have no reason to inform as got from scientific sources based on not only dna but segment of it known as genome.

But if you are ready, then science, has shown that part of Africa, has fossil human older than Ethiopia which was once claimed before to be the oldest. Morocco is still the place where the oldest fossil human was found in Africa and the hottest region in Africa.

Now,Yoruba gene show large % of interaction with fossil found in Morroco and with part of Levant and not modern day Arabs .

Help enrich your mind without feeling bitter. Let me ask you a question, where does the Ake people comes from in Ileife ? Inform me and let me learn from you.

absoluteSuccess:
This one weak me oo

He never gets far into Yoruba, he will drown if he travel far from where he can get help from Google translate.

He will drop any horribly annoying statement just to tie you down to what he wants you to discuss, never take the bait.

He's an enemy, he's here to cast a spell, ngba tee ba wa ninu airoju airaye, mofe mo bee se maa te siwaju pelu ogbon te gbon.


Modified

I secure this post with eleyoro, no faceless mallam should quote it.

He actually thought it is a child's play because I choose to be protoganist .

Seriously, I am not the type who seeks the downfall of my fellow Yoruba man. Instead, I rather compliment my people.

I hope he realises his error and eschew
peace with people who actually have better information than he and his co-friends. So that he learns from information got from superior sources.

Anyway, irrespective of his view, I remain unperturbed because he is still living in the 1940s of unsubstantiated hypothesis

The man is simply not a realist in as much as he refuses to accept different dialects which has diverse diacritic sign, rather than forcing us to accept falsification.

Too many to mention. Take for instance, afẹfẹ/afẹẹfẹ of Oyo and Ilẹ̀ifẹ̀'s(Iléifẹ̀) àfẹ́rẹ́ with older dialects than Oyo (cold weather,wind ) .The false teachers will come online and boasts. Lmaoo

Bábá/Bàbá/Baba/Bábà/abà/àbá/aba/Bá/Bà/
are same in meaning, ranging from father,great father, grandfather,holy father/king/lord/ irrespective of different diacritics,even if some of these words are homophone.

absoluteSuccess:
Presta Olu,

The Oluwo of nairaland aboru, boye, bo sise o. Ifa Jen gbo e pe o, ewi Ile Ado, Erigialo. Akoni loran biiyekan eni, ejemu oluwanran, moba otun, okikin tii meyin erinnfon.

Ala is it, purity, ala, funfun, gbo, fin. These are the series for white with the ancient Yoruba.

Thanks for the insight, the pilgrim progress.

Lmaooo Olúwo nairaland kẹ́ ? We just get to let them know that we are not forming alien to our endeared traditin.

The ignorants on Yoruba history think because we have western education and make references to Semitic Origin means we lack the knowledge?

Infact,out of hatred my friend accused me of claiming Ifáodù does not exist which my friend blundered on this same post when wrongly posted ifáodù as Ifáodú which was posted earlier on this same thread by my antagonist friend, out of bitterness. Such is life for some of who neverclaims perfection and others who thought they know better. Below screenshot speaks of it quite well.

This is a lesson for people who sees no reason to be dynamism in research finding,rather than holds on to fabiricated theories such as Yoruba were born in created in West Africa,her language broke away from Ibos 5000years ago ete , when infact, Basal's fossil,ancient Moroccan,Israel's fossil human dna touched on its input on relationship with Yoruba genes.

I am yet to see over 30,000,000+ / 40,000,000+ Ibos gene in Neanderthals gene relationship flow weather as compared it with the so called 40,000,000+/ 50,000,000+ Àwaìlà (some Yorubas) aswell as other Yorubas.

macof:
Olu you also need to seek mental health assistance.

All these Rants lacking in comprehensive consistency is just too much. What concerns isakole or oramfe with that post you quoted?
Stop mentioning me in your crazy posts

Lmao! You are only bullying and it does not take away my spanking you.

Imaging empty ranting you who also cannot even post diacritically correctly, on second person possesive pronoun rẹ and not rẹ̀ ×?

Mallam macof, you're the one who needs see medical intervention....l, Èlú and not the Oyo version Olú remain intact. Instead you are the one who needs the medical rehabilitation so as to cure you of OCD. Plainly, Obsessive-compulsive disorder is a mental health condition characterized by repetitive, unwanted, intrusive thoughts (obsessions) and irrational, excessive urges to do certain actions (compulsions).

You postulated lies perpetuated in the early 1900s AD (nineteen hundreds AD) till mid 2000s AD (twenty hundreds AD), when new researches claim otherwise. So check yourself before you do more damage to yourself.

Repent of your ignorance macof and stop hate speech.....

macof:
All this run around just to prevent telling your friend he was wrong and needs to learn how to write Yoruba lol


I hope you don't develop high blood pressure with your mental illness because of macof on nairaland

Lmao! Who told you that you are right? Infact who told you when you posted , the rejoinder you made any better correction ?

ọ̀rọ̀ rẹ dàbí ẹni ti kò fẹ̀ jẹ́wọ́ ọ̀bùn rẹ̀ is correct ? false diacritics

Same problem recurring. Instead,it is "ọ̀rọ rẹ dàbí ẹni ti kò fẹ́ jẹ́wọ́ ọ̀bun rẹ," I don't know the reason your arrogant situation is pathetic.

laṣẹ́ èdù your ignorance will continue to be corrected.

macof:
Another stupidity.

That yoruba are Africans is not an opinion but a fact
You are not 3 years old to be talking like this

@Temigrey112

Lmao ?Jubilating o'er false information. If indeed Yorubas were pure Africans,then where did all the dna differential comes from ? Ignorance is not an accuse but self denial is your problem.

Kindly post where Yoruba actually came from in Africa!

Are you even aware Ìṣàkọ̀lẹ̀ is paid to Ọ̀ràmfẹ̀ lineage?

Can you explain why Ìṣàkọ̀lẹ̀ is paid to Ọ̀ràmfẹ̀ lineage ?

Define Ọ̀ràmfẹ̀ group's relationship with other groups alongside odùà group in Iléifẹ̀

What about the genetic connection of Yorubas which shows far away morroco ancient fossil human links and Near East? You're a funny man because you lacked the pedigree to comprehend these things

No wonder you sped like a lightening when I posted dna analysis as compared with thepeople'sdnafoundin ancient Israel even Ibos can not stand it! .
Meanwhile, the connection with Ibos were purely inter -marriages and assimilation touches.

Note: If you need dna link to show ibos are not same as Yorubas based on deeper gene analysis , then consult me.

absoluteSuccess:
@Olu, most times the Yoruba enthusiasts want to talk about Yoruba phenomenon, they often lack the idea to convey their amazement.

So, think we can put the Yoruba phenomenon in different stratification of no particular order. That will enhance the strata of topic to pick from.

It's on us to behave with what we have as people wey sabi. Abi? So here's my list, sorry I cleared the whole stuff, I'm a capitalist when it comes to good thing, I love to pack it all:

NB, you can consult with your historians on any of my given insight, I'm not an historian and would never be. I'm just a researcher. To that there's no loss, no limitations.

Broad spectrum of studying Yoruba phenomenon

Yoruba material culture
Yoruba intellectual culture
Yoruba oral records and traditions
Structuralism of the Yoruba language
Yoruba linguistics and communication art

With these ones, shey we never produce a university of Yoruba phenomenon so? I can't laugh.

You are on point, Sir and I will do the needful on the area you raised. It is worth it.

However, not all information can be shared simultaneously but in sequence while it will be on periodical base.

absoluteSuccess:
Can you see that the word of Ifa expose the movement of Oye in this piece so clearly? Onbo loke is the moment the sun crosses the equator and it's light has already break into the day.

O nbo loke means "ojo kanri". The Odu shows that the Oye is expected at the center around 12pm. So, nbo is the path followed by Oye, it's Oye because it's mbo to mbo, sunrise to sunrise.

But when it descended below the equator, it's like oyeku: the light is off. This is the state of ignorance like the Awo consultation used to invoke Ela. So that enlightenment, to throw light on the dark side of their ignorance comes.

It's just the same thing you did here with the Ifa precept. That's Ela Oro to towa wa.

Ire o.

ẹẹta okò ni anpè Ẹ̀làà rọ́ wa nitori biá fẹ́'mọ lẹyìnjú aríran. Without the invocation, the babalawo or devotee's prayer has not begun, which also attest to the fact,that light or white is the most important of all colour in Yoruba philosophy aswell as spirituality which is followed in sequence with red. The ancient Yorubas ancestors are the incredibles, under our Almighty God.


Cheers

absoluteSuccess:
Can you see that the word of Ifa expose the movement of Oye in this piece so clearly? Onbo loke is the moment the sun crosses the equator and it's light has already break into the day.

O nbo loke means "ojo kanri". The Odu shows that the Oye is expected at the center around 12pm. So, nbo is the path followed by Oye, it's Oye because it's mbo to mbo, sunrise to sunrise.

But when it descended below the equator, it's like oyeku: the light is off. This is the state of ignorance like the Awo consultation used to invoke Ela. So that enlightenment, to throw light on the dark side of their ignorance comes.

It's just the same thing you did here with the Ifa precept. That's Ela Oro to towa wa.

Ire o.

Yes, you're exactly on point . The ancient Yorubas tends to be group of people with extreme sound mind in understanding the astronomy.

This and more remained reason, they could uncoded the movement of time as it follows in sequence. Seriously, I marvel at the glance of their success.

Ooyẹ̀ ,the shifting one, onbọ̀ , the coming one, làà, the lightening one ....

Accurately,the volition of Yorubas powerful creator's sanctification of the invisible into visible.So much that there is a laid principle to achieve, to understand the rotational system of the earth,in such a way that whatever situation human's finds self, should understand, that factor for existence is authentic. Thus, làà peregede is absolutism of the end result to darkness at every given time.


Bless day

absoluteSuccess,
ọ̀ọyẹ̀ làà is not the same in Ifáodù corpus but a shift from one to another.
ọ̀ọyẹ̀ is twilight
mọ́ is clear
làà is light to shine or shine light

làà is descriptive identity of Yoruba God ẹ̀làà( I am light)



Cheers

absoluteSuccess:
Topic of the day

Oye: The Etymological Meaning

Baya ba moju oko tan alarina a yeba.

What's the underlying meaning of this proverb? Let's see: "once the wife (to be) gets familiar with the husband (to be), the go-between, the wayfarer will swerve consulting".

First, like what we studied with "ajantuka n'tagbaarin" the scholar didn't say "to be", either wife or husband, but once we come across Alarinna, we should understand the circumstances.

Our focus is not on Alarinna per se, but what it made the scholar to say next. Another use of Ye is "Ojumo mo, Oye la peregede". Oye la, it's a phrase akin to ye ba.

Oye in that instance is the same as the one in odun yi ko ye and oye la peregede. It's not like when Yoruba says "odun yi o ye", there shall not be the odun, (assume pe odun naa ye) but it won't hold that particular time.

So therefore, yè is to shift on a course, it's not to abandon the course. So, the sun is the shift that open up peregede in the ojumo to mo. Oye la thus, something on constant acceleration.

Metaphysical Approach

What's the other words for ye? Sun. In a foggy past, the Yoruba language understood the sun as Oye, (another word for sun, osun), sun soun) as the sun poetically. Yoruba acquaint with English language in this instance.

Oye la, la, light.
Osan, sun
Orun ran, run.

Wordsource

Orun (sun), Arun (Aisan), ran (spread), ru (thin) San (heal, health). Osan ("healthy" fat), oru (thinner, sickly), these are how the listed ideas shared similar morphology in faintly manner.

English sun is the light object in the sky, it has nothing to do with Yoruba sun, which means "move". But, is the sun a stationary object? No, it's a constantly on the move, which is sun in Yoruba.

But sun in Yoruba is not homophone with sun in English, rather, San is the Yoruba word closest to English sun. Nevertheless, what does San means?

San laarin, aje nii munii pekoro. The word san here means a way to properly walk, it's associated with moving. An antithesis of this way of walking is pekoro.

San is opposite of pekoro. What is pekoro? If you follow the diacritics, you won't get the meaning, it's a special word. The colloquial version of it is pé-kòrò.

Therefore, the proverb simply means that we walk on a straight line, but it's debts, liability, money issue that makes us look for a short cut avoiding the risk of running against the principal lender.

From there, we have Oye, osun and osan. We can now retract the source of the Yoruba word for the afternoon, osan as related to sun or San, which is walking in a straight line.

In the morning, Oye la, the shift began; in the afternoon, osan pon, the move is hot; at the evening time, irole, and at night, a le. Like ifaodu, you have to rearrange irole to get the meaning.

Ifaodu, oduifa, ilero, irole. The ease of the land, the land on ease. with sun withdrawing it's scotching heat, the land feel relaxed, men get the cool to cruise and few hours later, ale.

What's ale? Even we ourselves are weakened. So, "we lay". Like ifaodu factor again night is a "layer", it lay us down to sleep. Next thing we see after oru, a shortage of Orun is that Ile tun ti mo. Ojumo re.

Good morning, win today.

Olu,
Metaphysical.

Interesting but lengthy.Yẹ̀ is synonymous with "dispose" in this proverb. Yet it's crafty to the lame eyes

The proverb is actually emphasising the enchanted rhetorical maneuvering of the husband to be through the possible best man in this situation.

The best man has to quit the scene for the groom to have absolute access to his woman ,which is so closely related to twilight and dawn. While dusk gives way out.

The dusk remains the darkest part before twilight begins and dawn rises. This is harkened to scientific approach on movement of the moon and sun. So going science you mean? Ifaodu corpus has answer which contradicts Christian and muslim orientated Yorubas,who see Yorubas ancestors as not scientists. This can be found in Odù ọ̀ọyẹ̀kú

oyèku méjì
ifá pè,
ọ̀ọyẹ̀ ṣé nlàà
onbọ̀ l'òkè
ọmọ arayé rò bi
ojú mọ́ tí mọ́ ní
ojú mọ́ kòò ti mọ́
ọ̀oyè ló ṣẹ làà pèregédé

Transl: Twilight begins to appear in the sky
People thought it is the day at dawn
The day has not dawned but mere twilight
This above verse in oyeku indicate that there is a between twilight and day at dawn

macof, come learn

Cheers

loveth360:
Is it true that yorubas ancestor,Oduduwa fall down from sky?

The answer is no Oduduwa did not fall from sky,below is the reall fact.



From my years of investigation,i found out that Oduduwa was Igbo man banished from East by the Umunna.His really name was Omekitoro.
He was the last born of three sons of a man called Afunwa.

What happened is,because of envy and Wickedness,He killed his two older brothers reason is he want to inherit all their fathers properties.

He killed them in their father's farm claiming that they were attacked and he was lucky to escape,not knowing that a palm wine taper was ontop of palm tree near by and saw all that happened.


When his evil act was exposed,the Umunna and village concluded that his action deserves death.his father pleaded for his life,which made the community to give him punishment of banishing.


Omekitoro went and settle in todays south west.Because of his evil act,he was no more proud of his Name.So when asked about his Name,he will tell you Odudu nwa.

Which means last born.

Odudu means last/Tale in Igbo.

Nwa means chld in Igbo.

Odudunwa means last born.


Na Odudunwa they later spell as Oduduwa.

There is no crime in learning about other people's ancestral adored personality whom is termed,the progenitor of Yorubas. Except if you want to be mischievous.

In the abscence of that,

Oduduwa did not came down from sky. Apart from the heavenly name identified as ọ̀ọrún. There is also name identified with close similariy and probable cognate.

So, falling from skin is not tenable in scholarly world. Beside, the man died later in life at advance age.

1.If you intend to conclude on Oduduwa then you may be wrong because Odùa or Odudu-IWA is not the same as Ibos or Igbos of Eastern Region's ODUDUWA. And the meaning is quite different in all ramification.

2.Yoruba's Oduduwa is of Yoruba's Iléifẹ̀ origin with the tradition of the lineage still intact.

3. His ascendancy came to be as a result of misanagement of the affair of the city at a point in antiquity. Prior to the era of dominance of Odua, the kingly lineage were rotational among the kings family of the ancient city, which included,Oramfe descendants who were also mighty people as well.

So as at when there were some form of distrusts on the leadership of ileife,during the time of a man identified as obatala,whom was compelled to step down during this chaotic era. Oranfe was also one of the prominent rulers as at the time Oduduwa took control over Ife.


The people who were involved were thirteen settlement inclusion of Oduduwa. " Ife mefa, Elumeje". Ife mefa refers to the other six leaders on the right which include
Obalufe
Obaidio,
Obajio,
Obaloran,
Apata,
Lokore .

While Elu meje refers to seven Leaders on the
left

They are
Onpetu,
Obaluru,
Obalaye,
Fegun,
Obalegbe,
Obalesun
Obawara

This is the foundation of the progenitor of Yorubas. Kindly know, he did not give birth to Yorubas as a whole but the one who unified the kingdom as one entity, which majority of all the clans accepted.

Mind you, parliamentary system was the way of life for Eastern Ibo or Igbos of Eastern groups, who are different from Yorubas ugbo/igbo/ubo group who had left Ileife and tried to to challenge the oduduwa dynasty under Jegbe odede Oranmiyan

Cheers

nisai:
Olu, you dey fall person hand.

Pardon me ma'am. It has ended as you requested.





Cheers

TAO11:
Yes you have a pea-sized brain, but you’ve now proven that your pea-sized brain is also dead.

What part of “stop mentioning with your deluded and insanely crappy comments” do you not understand?

Write your foolishness without mentioning me. I don’t wish to be identified with foolishness.

Thank you.

I shall keep mentioning henceforth to call you out on Edo threads.

I will destroy your pseudo information even on Edos history. Lies has no place in Afin-White. Who is the one with small brain size ? Wait and see.

nisai,it is obvious you are reading my posts and I have always maintained being complementing Yorubas irrespective of some erroneous flaws.

Clearly, If I decide to boast, I will look as an ordinary person! However, she/he TAO12 , is not a well trained person while growing up at home, especially as someone who is an adult but easily toys with vulgar words usage.

While forgetting the fact, that therecould be a Cross Path, in a day. A big lesson, I hope you know. Ọ̀dẹdẹ̀ ni ìbẹrẹ....charity begins at home.

TAO11:
You don’t know Yoruba diacritics and that’s fact.

Don’t get mad because facts are being pointed out.

It seems your life is truly a wasted one.

Yes, you are writing gibberish. But continue writing it without mentioning me.

What part of “carry your miserable life away from me” do you not understand?

Regards.

Lol! I do not have a miserable life but check yourself. Untrained as you are and good with usage of foul words..Mind you

ìṣẹ orí rán mi ni mó nṣé
ọnàa(ọràa) ti ifá làa ni mó ntọ́ ọ......
(Ifaodu corpus)

Transl:A duty call by my creator is what
I'm actively involved ,
Path which Ifa leads me through is where
I am following.....


What exactly is your own purpose on earth ? For everyone born, such has a purpose to fulfil. I am in my own path.So check yourself and fulfil it.

Futhermore, it is obvious,you hate fact and to be told strange and stronger evidences which wow you because you cannot stand upto the truth.
"Òrìṣà jẹ́ npé méjì ni ídẹ̀ (ọ́dẹ̀) ọkọ
obirin kò jẹ."
Transl: God let me be two in my
husband's house......(in..)
woman always reject such.


Punchline: Live your path and do not envy others so as to fulfil your destiny.

TAO11:
You are a “delugnorant” — a deluded ignoramus.

Write your miserable craps, but don’t mention me with it.

I don’t want to be associated with foolishness.

Is your pea-sized brain also dead?

Don’t you understand simple English?

Who has a dead brain between us ? Readers have seen the difference

Furthermore, genuflection is part of Yorubas ancient form of veneration, appealing and praying. Tell us, did Yoruba loaned the form of worship from Arabs ?

I know you virtualy cannot see it from that angle because of your hate towards truth.This is the reason that Foundation of one heavenly God begun with Yorubas ancestors cum Ancient Hebrew ancestors and not Africans

Precisely, both Arabs and Ancient Hebrew do genuflection. Fact is that the Hebrews accepts black Jews and do not follow christianity. The bible even talked about it that the ancient Hebrew will not follow the beliefs of what Yeshua brought to the world because of pride.

Emerging facts between the two most talked about Semitic groups, Yoruba ethnic has close gene associated with fossil human found in Israel and not with Arabs land as I had posted. Proof me wrong. Lmao


Coming home to Ileife proper history "Ifẹ̀ mẹfa, Elúmeeje"(Elúméjé). Ifẹ̀ mẹfa,refers to the other six leaders on the right which includes: Obalufe, Obaidio, Obajio, Obaloran, Apata, and Lokore.

While Elúmeeje"(Elúméjé) refers to seven Leaders on the left and they are Onpetu, Obaluru, Obalaye, Fegun, Obalegbe, Obalesun and Obawara, Oranfe was also one of the prominent rulers as at the time Oduduwa was brought from within Ifẹ̀ to reign overall of them.

Isit of a fact that Descending from Chain was real from heaven ? Some people believed even Professor Banji Akintoye's statement asserts, thus,"In the legend, Oduduwa descends to earth on a long chain and lands at Ile-Ife, where he establishes solid ground and plants the first seed (Akintoye 2004:4–5)." Lmao

If 99% of "Ifẹ̀ mẹfa, Elúmeeje"(Elúméjé) knew he came down from chain from heaven,how will he be a human being? Baba also fell for fairytale/fictions as you TAO12 did. Oduduwa died as a humanbeing man after a life well spent.

I, Olu do not believe in fairytales but you seemingly agreed to all what Baba Akintoye wrote about odudduwa.

Punchline : Do not pride over yourself because you think know. Instead be humble to see beyond your schoool of thought. After all, information is eternal.

christistruth01:
Tao11 and Olu317 I plead with both of you to let peace reign the two of you have been having a go at each other since Saturday please it is enough,

Both of you contribute so much knowledge to this forum and both of you are great Yoruba History Warriors please please please

Let Peace reign

I am a peaceful man. You are supposed to read my commentary from time in the past.

A well trained individual will never use vulgar words carelessly at will. The ones who understand the efficacy of power in the tongue does it with wisdom.

Small portion of Ifaodu verse, says,
"Ibínu kò dá nkankan fún ni(ẹni)
suurù bàbá ìwa(nature-God)
àagba tí ó ni suurù
ohun gbogbo ló ni .....OGÚNDÀ OGBÈ
ló pè ọ̀rọ


cheers...