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Abohboy:
The Ori isn't where destiny is chosen the Ori is where your spiritual self resides, when you're being born whilst your spirit is still in Orun you go through a process where your family lineage is given and you choose parts of your destiny meanwhile other parts of your destiny are given to you I forgot what exactly these parts are called you'll have to check on @ehimeora on twitter but anyway as I was saying those are the three stages you need to go through in heaven before coming to earth then when you're born traditionally on the 3rd day the child should go to a ifa priest for a process in which they find out the child's destiny and guide the parents on how best to help the child to achieve their destiny and the only way to get that information is through the Ori.

And concerning this whole Hebrew thing really and truly there's no link other then passive ones but i'll let you believe what you want to believe the only links I can believe are those in Ancient Egypt because their religion like almost every single African religion is essentially the same other then a few characteristics so for their religion to reach yoruba land isn't a surprise to me.

Reading books can be quite fascinating but praticability of what you read is eternity wisdom from the divine authority who sustain the earthly realm on nothing.

Ori is not just what you think you read in the book.
Ifá is explicit on "ori"
What is ori ?

Orí is the conceptualisation of the wholebeing of God living inside of man!
Odu OGBÈ OGUNDA
ifá pé,
aṣẹ́ de aṣẹ́ irè àgbọ̀nnìrègun
èmi náa ni aṣẹ́ de aṣẹ́ ifá.....
iwa ni kan ló sọrọ̀
o ni
orí kan kó buru lati otu'fẹ̀...

Transl: No destiny is proclaimed unhappy from Ileife

In nutshell, the head was perfect when living the spot of creation from eledumare(eleda)

It further says, ẹní ti ó ni orí ti kò ni Iwa
ló nmá bá orí jẹ́
( all that is requisite is character else one is doomed)

Where does fulfillment of destiny comes from ? ORI

ODU OGBÈ
Ogbè ni mó gbè Ogbè ni mó gbè
mi kò gbè ẹní kan kan
ifá wifún mi
o ni iṣẹ orí ranmi ni njẹ
ọná tó orí láa ni mó tọ́ọ
mó tọ́ọ ọná titi mó dé ilú sọọrọ̀ kinsọ̀......

(Creator is my sender and the laid path I follow....)

OdU epérè(Good call-Destiny)
This s where the destiny is chosen known as ẹ̀lẹ̀ri(olori ipin) ipin; "Head who give destiny"
bá rokún
lá dá ẹ̀dá
á dé ilé ayé tan
ojú wa yá ẹní
bẹẹ kẹ̀ á kíi tun ẹ̀dá yan
á fi ti á bá tun ayé wa

Transl: On bent knees
man destiny is chosen
arrival on earth, one desires things done hastily
unfortunately , destiny can't be chosen twice
unless one reincarnates

I hope I solve this issue for you.

While on the Hebrew, do no go there because I have done some justice to it in the past and hopefully I will author a book to that regard. However read the traces of Yoruba language in far away Egypt through authors such as Philipe Obenga, Ferdinand de Saussure for start on Yoruba language compared with Egyptians coptic language. The coptic language was never an Egyptian but a franca lingual, which brought by ancient Hebrew and was used by the first pope in Africa, Saint Apostle Mark.

Abohboy:
This is also open to all niger congo languages and anybody near so the igbos, bini, ewe, ibibio, ejagham, ekoi, nupe, igala, jukun, akan etc. Can all join in this thread

I am calling all christians and muslims to prove with undeniable facts that their religion is superior to Ifa in practice, teachings and purpose.

Not needed.
Ifa does not compete Ifa is cooperation
Ifa does not fight, Ifa is peace
Ifa does not hate Ifa is love.etc

Meanwhile Ifa talks about Islam in Ogbè Rahu and talks about the birth of Jesus in Ogbè Mosu. So when reality beckon on people, they will know that the God they serve is the God of Yorubas.


Cheers

Abohboy:
There are multiple times in Ifa where it personalizes emotions, characters, behaviors as well as forms of nature one such example is Iwa which is your attitude for Orunmila to marry Iwa ( Personification of attitude ) Is to say that we too should become close to our attitude towards life as it is a wise decision your point shows your lack of understanding when it comes to Ifa.

This situation reminds me of a verse of Ifa I read on a facebook page called University Of Ifa and it talks about a king becoming close with greed and loving greed but then he realized his family was not loving him or something along those lines so he went to Ifa and as usual he complied with the recommendations and greed went far from him, there are many other examples but there's one such example.

Smiles
Obvi.ously, you need do more. IWA as character is quite different from the perfectionism of God.

Éjì mógbè éjì mógbè adifá fún ọ̀rúnmìẹ̀làà ni ọjọ bàbá nlọ nréé gbé IWÁ laya.........

Ti ón bá nfẹ irè layé ?
Iwa ni o etc

In studying Yoruba cosmology on creation,ori was later created after the physical body had been moulded.

Mind you this ori is not the physical head but the spiritual. This is where destiny is chosen from eledumare-eleda! This is where ẹmi-breath-heart, Iwa-character to perfection in God spoke.

My point is if you see my posts regarding Yoruba relationship with Hebrew, Egypt or wherever I draw inferences from,then know it, that I do know what I am hinging on.

Peradventure you dont know, I do these posts with humble pleasure to awake the sleeping giants in Yorubas land either for or against my view even at the slight provocation towards me. Reason being that these things you see me do is a call and not by choice. This is the reason, I do things like magic but it is not magical.

There is a verse in Odù Ofun ¿¿¿
It says, " Ògòdò òwú s'òkè odò,
ó p'ayín kekekeke s'olóko.
A dífá fún alántàakùn,
Ọmọ a ṣ'ohún gbogbo bí idán bi idán. "

“Open cotton buds, on the other side of the stream, smiling invitingly to the farmer”
Divined for the Spider - the offspring of those who do all things in a wonderful way"

Abohboy:
Bro there's nothing to argue the Ogboni/Osugbo Society used the Ifa divination systems at time there's no dicussion

How earth did you missed the point ?

I think,you didn't read my response quite well,which ought read my response properly from the beginning! My take has never been , Ifa is not been used by Ogboni. O dí o o dì

Rather, I posited that Ifa was not the beginning of the creation of Ogboni. Instead protection of the commoners,aggrieved , opposition to the ruler and family members allies etc at Ileife.

Ifá is the supreme king in Owọ̀rìn Méjì and olifá or olufá or onifá is a king infront of a king and people. The degree of kingship is relative because the language of Ifaodu is esoteric. So, kudos the Ifaodu priests.

This is the reason I differentiated ogboni and Ifaodu. In one school of thought, Ifaodu doing divination on a daily routine can be done but anciently and thorough order, it must be done five days interval ( ọrùn ọrùn láawò difá), as periodic ifáodù divination.

Abohboy:
I've read dozens of books on the Ogboni and Ifa divination is definitely part of the practice of the Ogboni I forgot which odu is specifically attributed to the Ogboni i'll go back and read on it but the Ogboni Society had relation to the ifa corpus and I didn't say ifa priests founded Ogboni I said that ifa is part of what is practiced within the Ogboni society

I have been to Iledi and have met Oluwos but I have restriction due to ancestry reason.

Even at this, I do not go beyond my boundary because,there is a saying as an initiate, that must not be spoken before non initiates because of oath. Awọn Awó ni ohun ti wọn.

Seriously, it is beyond books of somesort, my dear friend.While, I posit genuinely, Ifa is a pathfinder for my ancestors and can't deviate from it. Mind you I am not a descendant of whom priests cast lot for.
So, if I make reference beyond Yoruba land, then know it, that I know things you don't know. And it is not anything for self glorification but for Yoruba greatness.


cheers

Abohboy:
Neither of us have read the whole odu ifa corpus so neither of us has a say in that manner I get my source for Iwa being character ir attitude from an Iyalorisa and a Babalawo who both mentioned Iwa pele in their teachings.

Well, I am familiar even if I can't be part of them. Ifaodu is my pathfinder.
Éjì ógbè talks about Iwa and who Iwa is.
There is a verse that mentioned orunmiela( Èlàà gbogili ti nṣé olúawó ọ̀rún) marrying Iwa.
There is another verse that exert Orunmiela (bá àgbọ̀nnìrègùn ) as Iwa.

Now, Till eternity, I can't know Ifa.But the little I know, wisdom(orunmiela) lit my path to see beyond prudent men!

cheers

macof:
wrong yoruba writting here in both words but i'm shocked that this might be more than an oversight and you probably really don't know how to write the diacritics for "Yoruba", which is Yorùbá
Funny enough, i know you will not accept this mistake here but argue as usual.

Accept or not is long thing my dear! I have no time for controversial issue.

Since your main focus is on the diacritics , kindly input your own diacritics on "igbalode" for me to learn! Perhaps when looking at my error , which based on typography , need be done with genuineness

Abohboy:
You guys are lost Iwa is simply character and Iwa pele is simply a good character

Have you ever seen anywhere in Ifáodù corpus where Iwa pẹ̀lẹ is called or mentioned as same with Iwa? Iwa is Iwa. Igbálódè Yorúbà

You think Ifáodù corpus is your day to incorporated Yoruba language ? You make me laugh because we speak modernised variation of Yoruba dialect and not the deeper or older dialects, except you're from hinterland. Anyway, enjoy yourself

Abohboy:
ROF or ORF as you wrongly called it is a christian society the original Ogboni was a social, religious and political association relating to an earth God of the Yoruba people and it is indefinite that Ifa was used in the association due to the fact that it involved decision making

Smiles... Oh I see. So Ifa priests are founder.of Ogboni society ? Now I know you do not know what you're posting online. It is obvious, your view is based scanty books you read. Do not drag yourself into the mud of ignorance.

Wise up and post truth and not assumption.
Foundation of Ogboni started at Ileife. Plain and simple. This was the ancient place of its origin.

Abohboy:
Ogboni is a group of Priests for a deity of Ifa

Smiles. Ogboni is not any group of priests of Ifa. And this information of yours is not inline with ORF or the ibìlẹ̀ version. Ifaodu is a stand alone institution of cosmology, Yoruba language, religious world view, political, Yoruba memoir, science,medicine, commerce and guide to all other facets of Yoruba mode of life.

Besides, it is always great when one doesn't get messed up while posting wrong information about an association one has no knowledge of either as a potential member or non member.

Seriously, if you want you to know about ogboni,which is not a demonic thing or association but certain information must not be posted in the public domain.

It takes nothing much from you if you're interested, because the way you asume about the sect is wrong because there is nothing bad about the association until you are a member after being initiated in which you obey the rules and regulation as stipulated by the sect's constitution.

Ogboni as an association has a code of conduct and they are seen everywhere, in which you can talk to them without being harrassed by the sect members and be made comfortable

JohnSin97:
Both. They had similar motives...

Their motives were different. The older order and the repackaged one (coded terms)

The first begun at otu ufẹ̀ for a purpose. And part of the purpose is to agitate for some rightful right of the affected ones ,which these rightful right also infringes on the affected people's right.

This led to rancour which make the affected groups termed them with some derogatory words...... Anyway, it's been settled

The later one was founded,which begun not up to a century that unified many people together for affluence connection,which has not seen the light of the day but not all joined. While the former has been timeless in existence .

absoluteSuccess:
Welcome boss, we have a great deal to learn from the amazing Yoruba language and unwritten history. It's an uncharted world of knowledge.

Consider this, the antique word Akile corroborates a Greek mythology in connection with Hercules.

Akile means 'one whose (foot) pounces the ground', i.e. a ki, akiti, stout, strong, massive. An extract from the book, "Ludwig's handbook on Old Testament lands and Kings" follows.

Hercules will match the ideal Canaanite champion or "Anachim" (giants), to whom the fleeing Israelites considered themselves as grasshoppers.

Cheers.

Awesome as usual. I sent you message where we chatted last. Get back asap.

UGBE634:
It is Ogun not Ogu, you are talking of Oba Ewuare, Ogun has been domesticated and it has its meaning in Edo just like in yoruba now. Pure Edo cancome up with such names . The late Captain Hosa Okunbor daughters name is Ivie Okun. Okun means sea in Benin alongside with the word amen which means water, Captain Hosa is pure Edo, he is from Uhuwonde,he is from one of those villages close to Ugo. One don't necessarily have to be from Ife to bear these names.

So, you know Ogun/Ogu is a Yoruba name and domesticated in Edo ? This is self contradictory.

Even if it is a shared lexicon, does is it not occur to you that, the name is originally a Yoruba word before it slips through to Edo land.

Anyway, okun is homonym which, has variances to the meaning ,such as wealth, full , salutation sea ,thread, spider's web web etc .

IleIfe is the base of all Yoruba people so do not be myiopic and quick to assert such as you did. Infact, the source of Yoruba language is from Ifaodu which has it practitioners head quarter at ileife. This is Yoruba's heritage.

HornyTave:
So Oranmiyan came to Igodo ( capital city of an established kingdom ) to,become king without a fight.... so someone just came to Igodo and made himself king, he had no past dealing with the place. wahala. so tell me where Ekhaladeran went after Oranmiyan founded the Oba stool... na different version una deh bring everyday.


but you know the Fulanis didn't capture ilorin without a fight but Oranmiyan captured Igodo singlehandedly, no fight, no tussle, just came and said ' Oya as e deh be now, na me don be king and I go change the name from Ogiso to Oba because na me Oranmiyan deh yarn and nobody fit challenge my yarning ' after some time, after imposing himself in,Benin he called the whole people and said ' as e deh be now, unto the founding lifestyle when I come do for life, I deh go Ife to be king, as I deh talk am, na so e go be, I don leave my Pikin eweka to,be king ' and he left to Ife.

Lol.

nkw reason if you had brain if Oranmiyans balls were made of Dragon fire or its another assumption aftsr eating Amala and gbegirir

Lol In as much you do not know, Oranmiyan was an emissary to Igodo and did not arrived Igodo without entourage. Usen, Lukumi were part of the people that followed Oranmiyan to Igodomigodo.

Infact, Yoruba were the first to ride on horse in Biniland,which had Oranmiyan as lead prince on horse.This can also be verified because Oba Bini acknowledged that his patrilineal pioneer ancestor ,Oranmiyan, rode on horse when he came to Igodo kingdom. This is also acknowledged by Palace historians.

HornyTave:
So Oranmiyan came to Igodo ( capital city of an established kingdom ) to,become king without a fight.... so someone just came to Igodo and made himself king, he had no past dealing with the place. wahala. so tell me where Ekhaladeran went after Oranmiyan founded the Oba stool... na different version una deh bring everyday.


but you know the Fulanis didn't capture ilorin without a fight but Oranmiyan captured Igodo singlehandedly, no fight, no tussle, just came and said ' Oya as e deh be now, na me don be king and I go change the name from Ogiso to Oba because na me Oranmiyan deh yarn and nobody fit challenge my yarning ' after some time, after imposing himself in,Benin he called the whole people and said ' as e deh be now, unto the founding lifestyle when I come do for life, I deh go Ife to be king, as I deh talk am, na so e go be, I don leave my Pikin eweka to,be king ' and he left to Ife.

Lol.

nkw reason if you had brain if Oranmiyans balls were made of Dragon fire or its another assumption aftsr eating Amala and gbegirir

After thorough research , interview wered done by Edos scholars,in which one wrote on the importance of Ughotton to Bini king , as a place where Portuguese came in contact with Bini land and Oba Bini.

Anyway, the interview were granted by the spoke persons of Ughotton in 2013, which led to the fact that, they acknowledged Ughotton founder was Ekaladerhan in 11th century C.E.

Their names as follow
-Interview with Mrs. F. Iguakun, Age-46,
Venue Ughoton, Occupation-Nursing.
Interview conducted on 15-4-2013.

For further information on religion at Ughoton, see interview with Christopher Enodunmwenben,
Age-59, occupation – farming,
venue-Ughoton. Interview
conducted on 6-4-2013

interview with Rolland Obazee,
Age-71, Occupation-Retired Soldier,
Venue-Ughoton Village.
Interview conducted on 6-4-2013.

-Interview with Thomas Okunhon, Age-75, Occupation-farming, Venue-Ughoton Village.
Interview conducted on 6-4-2013.

Why cry over the truth?

HornyTave:
lol.

Where Ughotton deh for Edo State. give me a direction from Benin, ring ,road to be precise.

lol....,person wen deh Osogbo wan tell me about Benin...

Lol


do, you know why the Oba doesn't go to Usen ans why the Ogie in Usen doesnt see the Oba?? wahala.

come,give me direction to Ughotton abeg

I will give you the needed direction to clear your doubt .

Ughotton lies 42 kilometres to the southeast of Bini. This is shown in Bini-Edo map for you and the unrealistic groups posting false information,which contradict their Ekaladerhan , who was the Ogiso Owodo son.

HornyTave:
lol

when the Oba said Oranmiyan was the 37th Ogiso and first Oba, Ooni of Ife should have debunked him na Abi was he deaf during the Oba's coronation?

Ughotton. just wow, which senatorial district abeg, I want to confirm myself.

even the Lagos you hype so much is a war camp.

your problem is, you want to annex your elder, even Ogun will not dare annex olokun sef but u, you no wel

You goofed as usual. Well, Ughotton was where Ekalardan founded and died over there.

Infact, oral interview conducted at Ughotton by Edo scholar in 2015 also testified to the fact, that he Ekalardan was the one who founded Ughotton in 11th century C.E, which was briefly before Oranmiyan arrived Igodo land in the and Established Obaship dynasty at the same 11th century, which is affirmed by Oba Bini's Court historians.

This is the reason, I call you guys clowns. . So, refuting this claim is as saying , that you run faster than your shadow.

UGBE634:
This might be true owing to the fact that none came up with Yoruba name except with the forgery of Eweka.

What does Ogu mean in Bini's language ? . You are indeed a clown.

TAO12:
Follow TAO12, I’d follow back. Then email me there via Nairaland.

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Naphtali44:
Firstly, we uruegbo do not associate with beni or edo generally. Your "points" mean nothing when you are history books written by frauds. Your breakdown is actually very stupid, trying to link two unrelated words for the purpose of implanting your people in the glorious history of uruegbo.

Now let me teach you the truth about those unrelated words you were trying to link like a child learning a word. Ooni is a corruption of the word 'onini' meaning great or grand leader in uruegbo. The word oghene is a combination of two uruegbo words, 'oga' or 'ogi' meaning 'lord' and 'ene' meaning 'four'. 'ogaene' literally means 'lord (of the) four'.

Chaiiii . The supreme title of overall king inYorubaland which is same as Ooni or oni in other dialect, you will flee in geometric direction in your mind. The supreme title of overall king inYorubaland which is same as Ooni or oni in other dialects, you will flee in geometric direction in your mind.

If Ugbo people catch up with you over contesting their dialect pronunciation of Oghene or corrupt version to Ogane by Edos and Urhobo groups?

Meanwhile, all you posted remain a new supposition based upon incomplete evidence; a hypothesis in Urhobo or uruegbo lexicon.

TAO12:
Regarding the mention of “cross”.



There are many cross motif symbols in the arts of Ife which again proves Ife to be the place of the Ogane in d’Aveiro’s account in the recension of Joao de Barros. Robin Horton puts it down as follows:

“Thus we now have several examples of the Maltese-cross symbols on terra-cotta materials excavated at Ife*”

Robin Horton, “Ancient Ife: A Reassessment,” Journal of the Historical Society of Nigeria,” Vol. 9. No.4, 1979, p.86.

Moreover, the following passage, showing the Oba of Benin’s address of morning prayers to his ancestors at Ife and Oyo also confirms the association of cross with Ife in particular and Yorubaland in general.

The account is recorded by Ward-Price who was on a visit to the then Oba of Benin. He writes:

“Following the Oba, I went through a heavy Iroko door, which opened into a long, narrow, corridor-like room, with a tall window at the other end. He showed me a brass crucifix which was attached to a cord around his neck, and waited for the first rays of the day to illumine the window, when he pressed the crucifix to his forehead, and prayed for the Oni of Ife, the Alaafin of Oyo and the Oba of Benin (that is himself), after which he prayed for all the other Yoruba kings. This had for long been the custom, he said, whether the Oba was Christian or not.”

H. L. Ward-Price, “Dark Subject,” 1939, p.238.

Peace!

Which of the mail add do you use often ? Let me ask you a question overthere

Christistruth00:
Use oritse wara mi Itsekiri Yoruba

Ise Orisa (Oluwa) wa Lara mi. Yoruba (Oyo dialect)

Gods handwork/ blessing is on me English

Thanks.

Christistruth00:
The Deal Is done

King Sola is the new Olu of Warri !!

Gregboy you can tell your boys to return the Olu of Warri’s Stolen Crown now,

you promised he wouldn’t be Crowned and you almost pulled it off, we underestimated the length to which you and your boys would go

Thank God the Itsekiri’s had a back up Crown in Storage

Gregboy your boys really tried , they almost Pafuka the entire Coronation

And for what reason just bescause King Sola had a Yoruba Mama

But the Oba of Benin is a Yoruba man so what is your Problem exactly ?

At a point it was looking like he would be kidnapped before he got a chance to get anywhere near the Throne if not for Gods Mercy and the determination of the Itsekiri People

May King Sola’s reign be Wonderful and Long. and may Jesus always guide and Protect him

Cc TAO12


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37AEcpPppqA

Verify this name, if the written.alphabets are correct as well as the meaning:

Use oritse wara mi: Itsekiri dialect
Uṣe oríṣa wó ara mi
Uṣe oríṣa wa ara mi
Uṣe oríṣa wa ni ara mi
Uṣẹ oríṣa wó ara mi
Uṣẹ oríṣa wa ni ara mi
Uṣẹ oríṣa wa ni ara mi
Yoruba traditional dialect : wó uṣẹ oriṣa ni ara mi
Yoruba: woṣẹolúwaniarami
Yoruba muslim: wo ṣẹ ọlọ̀hún ni ara mi
Yoruba christian:wo ṣẹ ọlọ̀rún ni ara mi
Meaning: glory of God upon me, blessing of God upon me, blessing of forebear upon me.

HornyTave:
Lol.

I think I should educate you.

Timeline of migration and name change of Benin.

1. The first People to leave Igodomigodo, capital city of Igodo were the Urhobo, they know Benin as Akah.

2. The next set of People that left Benin was Prince Izoduwa, a banished Prince, banished by Oliha and the palace chiefs. When the custodian of the throne died, he was looked for, in the hinterland ( ife ), prior his arrival to Ife, history has it the clans there not united, he united them and has a son in Oyo as Alaafin while he remained in Ife as Diviner.
When the emissary from Igodo came to Izoduwa ( Oduduwa ), he was old and couldn't leave, hence he sent the last of his son, Oranmiyan in his stead, Oranmiyan lived in present Day Usen and renamed the place Ile'Ibinu which means land of the angry,
a. Brcause he didnt understand the language.
b. He didnt understand the politics played there

He said only a son born in Benin can rule Benin. He gave birth to a son named Eweka, and He returned to Ife.
Oranmiyan was the First One and 36th Ogiso ( Oba of Benin during His coronation )

The other People that left Benin was the Was an folks starting during the time of One Ewuare the first who changed the Name Bini to Edo in respect to A servabt who saved his Life. Harsh laws and injustice, running away from the law, made the Esan fled.
The other People who left Edo was Prince Opkameri, who formed the Edo north Chiefdoms, He later became Oba Ozolua who died during the Benin - Esan War.
The Itshekiris left at a later time, after Ozolua and before Esigie. Thier kings name always start with Oghiamen means Lord of Water.
During the Idah - Benin war, Esigie extended Benin rule accross the Niger ( Orisha - Ado, corrupted to Onitcha Ado ).
Also it was during the time of Esigie, Benin founded Eko ( Lagos ) a forward base in,doing business with the Europeans.

The king maker in Itshekiri and highest title holder is Ologbostere, a title with Benin Origin, recall the Delta state government issued it won't recognise the Olu if Ologbostere didn't approve his coronation which led the Oba of Benin to intervene. His reason were, it is against tradition to have a king of a Yoruba mother.

There are 3 version of bini language,
The old Akah variant
The old yoroboid variant and another which ive forgotten...

Lol

Even Owo has Benin ancestry and part of Ado - Ekiti.

Come with facts bro, I'm jobless today, lets make it fun with facts,

Ekalardan founded Ughotto and died there in 11 century. His descendants are still alive today overthere .

The distance between Bini and Ughotton or Gwatto s 42 kilometres . So stop lying to yourself. Oduduwa shrine is North i.e towards NorthEast Ileife. While Obatala is at the centre of Ileife.

Below is screenshot of where Ekalardan founded with his descendants stil living in that land. Revisionism is bad for you Edos. Meanwhile, ride on with this cruise.

samuk:
Don't waste your time, Benin didn't have any connection with Ife, Oduduwa or Oranmiyan.

Benin dynasty used the Yoruba to fend off powerfull chiefs such as Agho Obaseki from usurping the throne, then used powerful Yoruba politicians such as Awolowo to consolidate their position.

Oba Akenzua 2 even agreed to be a minister without portfolio in Awolowo western region government. As soon as the mission was completed and the Yoruba was overreaching her boundaries, the eastern Igbo through Dr Nnamdi Azikiwe was used to pull mid-west out of the west.

Dr Nnamdi Azikiwe traces his ancestral lineage to Benin, so using his political influence to help mid-west pull out of the Western region was easy.

After the British destroyed Benin in 1897 and banished or depot Oba Ovonramwen to Calabar, Benin was left without an Oba for 17 years, 1897 - 1914. The future of the dynasty became precarious and uncertainty was in the air. The royal household/institution have to pull all strings for survival. This is how the Benin/Ife relationship was born. It was a child of necessity and the Yoruba who were then the poster children of the British were only too happy to be part of such relationship (Benin/Ife relationship).

The Benin royal household/institutions and the Fulani oligarchy are perhaps the greatest politicians and some of the smartest people/institutions in Nigeria. This is also the reason that the two most powerful kingdom in Nigeria was the Benin kingdom and the Fulani Sokoto caliphate.

If the Oba of Benin was really related to Yoruba obas, there wouldn't have been the need for mid-west region to fight their way out of the western region.

What played out was politics that is far beyond your comprehension.

Concentrate your efforts in trying to prove to your fellow Yoruba people how you guys are related to the Egyptians, Saudi Arabians, Moroccans and other middle eastern people.

The Yoruba weren't the only ones that were fooled by Benin/Ife relationship fairytale, numerous Benin are also victims, but the Europeans who were very familiar with Benin history for over 400 years were not fooled and they let us know that the Benin/Ife connection was a recent story which their European ancestors who visited Benin were not familiar with. This is how people like myself started looking at Benin history pre 1897 to find any connection with Ife and found none.

Benin/Ife relationship was created after Britain destroyed Benin in 1897 and lasted till 1970, it was modified and Oduduwa became Izoduwa, Oduduwa became a Benin prince. Before 1897 Oduduwa was just a myth, not a person that existed.

Faace saving for you, right ? LMAO.
Truth catches up like fire, so continue to read about Yoruba ancestors , who are over lord in your kingdom.

samuk:
The word treaty itself is a foreign word to us. I suppose they are referring to some sort of agreement between the Oba and some/a powerful chief or even a prince of the royal household.

It's quite possible that the Oba would have entered into many of such peaceful agreements when he was unable to use force to have his ways.

The history of Edayi n' Iken or Edaiken of Uselu is one of the numerous internal conflicts from internal rivals the past Oba had to find ways to overcome.

Iken was said to be a powerful figure in Uselu who the Oba of Benin wasn't comfortable with and he was sent on a war with eastern Yoruba. It was said that unknown to Iken, the Oba instructed some Benin soldiers who accompanied Iken on the war to ensure Iken doesn't return alive.

After successfully prosecuting the war and on their way back to Benin, Iken was murdered, the rumour of his murder got to his supporters in Uselu. His Uselu people threatened to attacked Benin, the Oba sent a message to them that Iken wasn't dead and he will returned back to them as soon as the war was over.

An agreement was reached in which the Oba sent his first son and heir to Uselu, only to be returned back to Benin whenever Iken returns. On the demise of the Oba and as Iken was yet to return back to Uselu, the Oba heir is escorted back to Benin and the next heir is sent back to Uselu to continue to hold Iken's place.

Back to the Ekiokpagha treaty, I very much doubt that this treaty/agreement have anything to do with Ife. The reason for my doubts is simply the fact that Ife didn't appear in Benin history until the end of the Benin empire in 1897. Ife wasn't either in Benin oral history none can it be found in the history of Benin that were documented by European eyewitnesses.

Everything to do with Ife was created and written after 1897. Ife was inserted into Benin history after 1897 for the mutual political benefits of the Oba of Benin and Yoruba who were looking for rich history such as that of Benin to give some prestige to the Yoruba tribe that largely lack history before 1826.

Benin/Ife relationship was a politically created history after 1897. This is why there are hardly any concrete and convincing evidence to support such relationship pre 1897.

If Benin had any relationship with Ife pre 1897, our oral history would have been littered with it. It would have also been documented by the Europeans.

The reference to Ekiokpagha treaty was just to add flavour to this fairytale.

After the British destroyed Benin in 1897, they also wanted to end the present dynasty but failed in this aspect. Some Benin nobles and princes started this fairytale relationship with Ife for the survival of the dynasty. As soon as Nigeria got independence from Britain and midwestern region pulled out of western region, the Benin/Ife narrative changed. Oduduwa that was created from Yoruba myths in 1897 changed to Izoduwa.

Those that are seriously interested in true history of Benin should find European eyewitness accounts written in just 1800s, no need to go far back. Read Button accounts when he interviewed Oba of Benin in 1865, there was a clear distinction between Yoruba and Benin people. Read Hughes 1826 encounter with the Alaafin of Oyo, again, another clear distinction was made between Benin and Yoruba.

How many of the 39 obas of Benin before they were recently increased to 40 had Yoruba names. Why will Oba of Benin be Yoruba and not bear Yoruba names. The biggest identifier of Yoruba people anywhere in the world is their names which they are very proud of. Yoruba only started appearing in the royal household starting from oba Eweka 2. How many of Ovonramwen children had Yoruba names.

Benin share far more commonality in names with the Igbos than with the Yorubas.

1. Ugo (name of ugbe village)
2. Isi
3. Iken
4. Izu
5. Agboghidi (obi of Onitsha traditional title)
6. Udo (name of Onitsha revered shrine)
7. Okoro
8. Eze
Etc.

The relationship Benin had with Yoruba before 1897 is not different from the relationship Benin had with Igbos because Benin is situated between these tribes and Benin expanded in all directions.

If you are one of those that have not be able to read the history of Benin earlier than 1897, it's very easy for you to be fooled that Benin or atleast the Oba of Benin is Yoruba but as soon as you read earlier than 1897 you begin to see the lie.

There is no iota of doubt that Igodomigodo share some certain characteristics with Ibos,Urhobo,Isoko, Ika Ibos, ijaws, etc which Yoruba Ileife has never denounce.

Instead, Yoruba Ooni assert, that Bini land is founded by Yoruba Prince-king Oranmiyan.

This is actually different from the Igodomigodo land, which Urhobo, Isoko etc moved away from when the land was in turmoil.

samuk:
There is alot here in your write up. Lets break it down little by little.

Are you saying Oduduwa was originally from Ife and your Moroccan and other middle eastern relatives migrated from Ife to middle east or Oduduwa was a Yoruba man who migrated from the middle east. You already told us how DNA linked Yoruba and middle east people together. What I want to know is the direction of migration, did Oduduwa migrated from the middle east or middle east people migrated from Ife. What does Odu Ifa say about this?

A lot of ignorant people like TAO11 will want to learn from you. No insults, I am sure you can do away with the insults whilst you explain your position.

If we are to believe TAO11 that Oduduwa was originally from Ife, then the only way Yoruba people can be related to middle eastern people of Morocco, Egypt and Saudi Arabia will be these people migrating out of Ife. Do you agree or disagree with this simple observation.

Where are you trying to drag this matter towards ? Anyway, you have take a bow before TAO12 on this your egocentric attitude and own up, that fair justice has been done to nail you people and expose your false claim about Bini, Oranmiyan, Lagos etc.

Meanwhile Egbetta was founded by a Yoruba man and people,in which the Yoruba language is still retained and preserve their culture of Yoruba over there. Are aware the fouder was Ajibuwa from Owo,who was Herbs specialist. Elawure of Usen is the paramount ruler of this region, in Ovia, the Egbetta people.

Are you also aware the man who treated Oba Esigie was a Yoruba man ,who was also a Herb specialist from Ijebu? He founded Uzebu in Bini.


Bini Historian, Ikponwonmsa in Midwest weekly reportage asserts in volume 8 page 11, in 1965 , he said, that the Yoruba language of Ikedu(Ife dialect) was the official language of Bini Palace until recently

absoluteSuccess:
Fon is like the umbrella name of the Egun people. I think it's either from Nfan, like you say "n'gbati" for Yoruba. Don't take my word for it though, such etymology can be dicey.

But the most probable meaning would be "wake up", from "mi Fon dagbe, mi ku lo", (ajire, okun, we awake in good spirit, full of life/strength). It's originally a word from here.

The rule of thumb is, I go for the meaning that I can find it's replica in Yoruba, because these people think alike alot. The Yoruba version of the cognomen is "kaaro o jireh".

Fon, wake up.

My experience while living at Pave Kerekou, a place which is heavily dominated by Fon people. While my landlord was a fon man, told my colleague and I that Fongbe are different from gun people.

Infact, I saw the inscription on a Jehovah (Temoi Jehovah) witness,which is a place of worship,that is not too far to Pave Kerekou, if one is coming from Cotonou through Abomey Calavi . TheNational university is also situated in this route.

Infact, the languages are classified differently and acknowledged their differences. While the Fongbe often laugh at Yoruba people with a name known as Ahouri.

And when I enquire what Ahouri meant, the colleague friend of mine who lectures at Abomey Calavi universetaire, said, such word was seen as funny because ,the Fongbe relates the name to a boastful person.

Cheers

samuk:
We are getting somewhere.

Olu317, TAO11 has spoken and she believes her position that Oduduwa was originally a native of Ife is more historically right than your middle east propaganda.

The floor is yours to tell us why you disagree with TAO11 on the origin of your forefather Oduduwa. Perhaps you care to show us your DNA scientific evidence that linked Yoruba people to the middle east against TAO11 fairytale history.

You guys must first resolve the origin of your grandfathers/forefathers before trying to impose them on others.

Whilst at it, perhaps you could share more light on the odus coptus of Ifa that talked about the origin of Oduduwa.

The readers will also be interested on the story of queen of sheba being buried in Ijebu Ode.

Let me quickly go and get my popcorn......

Stop being ignorant. Anyway, information as this must be a puzzle for you,since your Oba in Biniland, is a descendant of Yoruba man inIleife.

On oduduwa ancestral land, remains specifically spelt as a man from YORUBA land of Ileife. While, there is an heavenly powerful being identified as the same name Oduduwa,whom was sanctioned by Eledumare to go complete the creation of earth.

You see, in Ileife, there is a saying, élù mèjè lòsi ifẹ mẹfá lọ̀tún (seven on the right while six on the left),making it thirteen set up/hamlets(13) were clearly the historcal account that usher the dynasty of Odùà as the divine king authorised by Eledumare through oduduwa the heavenly messenger.

This is well known within Yoruba scholars circle. So, there is no iota of doubt that Odua was a Yoruba man, of which I am his descent and not forgetting the fact that millions of people both caucasians as well as Colour people are descended from him.

To buttress more, there is odu Ifa-odu that states, dúdù lẹgbọn pupa láburó(darkskin is the older one while the lightskin is the younger), which is even supported by another odù Ifá that says,afin ló'ríṣa (albino or lightskin is ancestor/god).

This statement is supported in Ileife ,that assert,that some families were the ancestors of lightskin,albino or whiteskins.

Principally, the Ileife of today is not the first or the second or third.....but about the 7th or 8th,which historical account states that after the flood destruction, while Ileife at its peak was established facing Atlantic.

In summary,wherever oduduwa ancestors came from, either as within or as established elsewhere in the ancient time, remained a Yoruba man. So, Ogiso Iwodo didnt exist during odua time and never related to Ekarladan,who died in Gwatto or Ughotton. In a nutshell, Odua is simply a Yoruba man from Yoruba.

Meanwhile,if you want know the ifaodu corpus, you will have to confess it out here as one who want to learn Yoruba language, the finest and richest cultural language in the world.


Cheers

gregyboy:
We are aborigines, of our location, the original yorubas have been mixed with slaves from Cameroon and togo and co


Soon we will kick you guys and thr fulani off the Nigeria lands

Congratulation. Mind you, Yoruba claims aborigine and also the flood destruction in world history. How can you explain this world flooding in Edo's Ibinu-Ibini ,Igodomigodo's account ?

Meanwhile I did not make, mende,Esan,Yoruba, Gambia group related to Yoruba to share DNA of Neanderthal without Igodomigodo being mentioned.

After all, geneticists assert this information , who are white(light skin caucasians) researchers with people amongs them having racist hatred tendencies toward brown or darkskin people. So having ancestry linked to Iberomaurasia Morroco, Near East, Europe,who live in present day Africa wasn't conjured by Yorubas .

Therefore your information,learn! While using Bob Marley sons, who are of two different maternal link but same paternal. Google Ziggy Marley's son(s) and Damien Marley son(s),who are Bob Marley's grandchildren.

Kindly get a good exposure to enhance your intellectual prowess and stop self centeredness .Instead embrace fact and the truth in it which makes it true fact

The reality is that Yoruba exposed your ancestors to her own civilzation ,in which it is historically accurate that Oba Bini's Court historians stated that Prince King [b]Oranmiyan was the first man that rode on [b]horse in Igodomigodo ,turned Ibinu land[/b], who later became Àaní(ọ̀/òoní) Iléifẹ.

Below screenhot still support the Yorubas as admixture ethnic group,which was the reason, Yoruba's minute bloodline lives in some of you like the Esan group.

gregyboy:
Tell that the ijebus that said they migrated from east africa not me bro

Migrated from Near of Yoruba may look as fairytale but Yoruba DNA has shown that we cluster with ancestors from Morroco with 12.5 % and 4-19 % Neanderthal DNA from Europe and Near East.

Yoruba of Ijebu if claims origin from Near East is still inline. After all, Esan, Gambia Yoruba, Ewe, Mende in Sierra leone so little form of DNA link via intermarriages. So let Yoruba and face your minority Edo groups.

The African research is because of Yoruba history that has over 5000 research study on,which work taliies with Near East history ,which amazingly shock the Western world because they are looking for the myth as Yorubas.

You see, through genetic research ,Yoruba is gradually being classified as foreigners in their stronghold in Nigeria withhighlyt. Kindly face your minority Edo land and stop misleading yourself or others.

Funny, Bini has never been mentioned specifically on this genetic trend. While Esan has been mentioned .
Mind you, Edos women are highly traveled to European countries ,yet no information as regard this information. Guess what, the Yoruba ancestors were of iberomaursian in Morroco. Tell us, what were your ancestors history from world's perspective ?