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blamingthedevil:
Igala are Yorubas...Opaluwa

Igala owns the land in onitsha and Anambra Both North and Central....by extension the land belongs to Yoruba

KingOKON:
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Scholarly research by a losed screw peanut brain like you, even your tribesmen have warned you severally with your jargons write-ups yet scatter brain like you still bask in your Caucasian seeking mirage approval.
Desist from your foolish quest Mr Inferiority complex

KingOKON:
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This inferiority complex man have escape from the asylum he was locked up for Life
You have started this your Neanderthal nonsense again

Abohboy:
And what about the homo sapien gene that actually makes up the fucking majority of the DNA combination? This neanderthal and pygmy gene isn't even up to 20% and I already said they share a common human ancestor and as they went to their respective regions they ended up getting the genes of the aboriginal hominids but they still carry majority of their DNA from their common homo sapien ancestry

Abohboy:
1. They never said they were neanderthals they said a ghost ancestor meaning an unidentified hominid group that inhabited Yoruba land before Homo Sapiens come

2. The presence of a different hominid group in the DNA of the Yoruba doesn't equate that they share no genetic similarities with the Igbo unless they were more then 80% ancient hominid group but rather it isn't any more then 12% in most Yorubas

3. Hence the homo sapien part of their ancestry is shared with the Igbo that is a simple fact and I don't see why the Yorubas and Igbos on Nairaland continue trying to fight the clearly genetic link between them

Abohboy:
Of course genes differ we split over 3000-5000 years ago the longer groups have diverged for the more the change in DNA but we're both still very similar and share a common ancestor and yes the common name for a divination system is evidence of similarities in culture and DNA other wise why don't the Akan have a similar name or the Hausa?

Concerning those articles yes the so called ghost ancestor is a different hominid group which had inhabited that area before homo sapiens came and obviously the ancestors of the Yoruba and Mande ( Freed Yoruba Slaves In Sierra Leone ) mated with this different hominid but till this day they haven't been able to identify it or even name it but that doesn't prove that they don't share a common ancestor it just proves that there were different groups inhabiting different areas of the world

Abohboy:
Which gene says otherwise? All evidence points to the Niger congo groups of Nigeria having common ancestry and apart from that there's the common practice of the New Yam festival, masquerades, ancestral veneration, Binary forms of 256 for divination practices, similar names for divination practices Ifa to Afa to Efa to Fa etc. And anybody who used up to 5 brain cells would be able to find the similarities in words and languages between Yoruba and Igbo there's nothing to deny

Abohboy:
It's obvious they're of the same language group, share cultural festivals and foods for the most part and have common religious practices and if you bothered to do basic research you'd find that from research the most likely source of the Niger Congo group is from the confluence in the middle of Nigeria

Abohboy:
That's false the Igbos weren't the first race to be civilized all of the Niger Congo groups have a common ancestor and diverged around 3000 years ago but there is evidence of civilization in Africa from before 1000BC meaning the Igbos weren't the first or the last to be civilized but they were definitely among the first few after the original group.

Also Nsibidi isn't Igbo it comes from the Ejagham/Ekoi people but through trade and war it became part of Igbo culture and language as well and because it's an ideographic language there's no complication when transferring it from one language to another as symbols represent a singular idea or concept so it can bbe easily translated to any language which is why i'm in full support of Nsibidi being adopted as a national script for Nigeria same way the Chinese, Korean and Japanese people all have their own I hope one day Nigeria too can have its own that works alongside the latin script

mr1759:
In the pre colonial era there was no such people called “yoruba” it was not documented by Portuguese nor by Britain yes we have people in west but they were not called Yoruba

absoluteSuccess:
Very informative and interesting. You don't expect someone to go beyond their intellectual reach. A man culminate his reasoning where his intellect ends.

Everything this guy boast of is cheap research and fraudulent imitation of the substitutes. You claim that Yoruba has nothing to do with other language than niger Congo.

But when he's to draw up the fundamentals of the relativity between Yoruba and other Niger Congo, he adopted what is known as "consonant shift" in Indo-European languages.

The man making case for the ambiguity nature of Niger Congo as different from Indo European language family could not explain the fundamentals of Niger Congo languages based on ambiguity.

It's because he doesn't know how to do that except you do it and he destroy it. I told you I will flash his number here and promised you that he will take down his picture from it, isn't it?

Today, he has deleted his WhatsApp account both business and the free app. He alone can tell how much losses this meant to his purse. Happy for the people who are lucky for this.

He used to think he's secure, "faceless macof" but you are my witness on this platform. EFCC and other security agencies are on their trail already, bloody scammers.

They pretend to be scholars but underground, they are bunch of vipers lurking in the dark to perpetrate evil. I'm an enemy because I am projecting God, (something he detests) to Yoruba tradition, something he claims to like.

Now he intends to employ his evil machinery to deal with me for being persistent, and that ended up exposing his true business online with scholarship topics as pastime.

Born2Breed:


Confused lots.

absoluteSuccess:
LOL, I can't laugh. You started the Ori Malu, aleph, for letter "A". I never had inclination how that had anything to do with Yoruba history.

But on and on, it dawned on me. Thanks for the wisdom and guidance. It doesn't have to be perfect, it should just be the way it is and from it, truth will leap out.

googi:
When I saw another repetition topic, it becomes obvious a fellow just started new cyber war.

Well, no matter how many times they try, days of letting them get away with murder are gone.

Konquest:
Great reply @Macof. Thumbs up!

The long cut-and-paste articles posted here by the OP contained
a lot of embarassing falsehoods!
I had to say my piece when I read all the contradictions in the OPs
post.


In addition:

1. The Ugbos (or Igbos, meaning
FOREST in Yoruba) in Ile Ife traditions simply refers to the original indigenes (NOT the Ibos
of the South East) of the land
who resisted the presence of
Oduduwa and it is well known in
Ile Ife [Ile Ife means: "this land is wide." Ile in this case means "land not house." Ife means "wide not love"] are the direct ancestors of the Ilaje Oba or king, the
Olugbo of Ugboland, Oba Frederick
Akinruntan in the oil-and-gas rich
Ugboland, Ondo State.

The family compounds of the
Ugbos (Ilaje-Yoruba people) is well known in Ife till today and even the
Alaafin of Oyo knows this fact according to the Olugbo of Ugbo Kingdom. It was the Ifa Oracle
that was consulted by the Ugbos that told them to stop the
attack on the Oduduwa group
and retreat to another location based on oral history of the
Ugbos (Ilajes).


2. The Royal Palace of Ugbo
Kingdom also released a message
warning some non-Yorubas especially the Ibo tribe of the
S/East to DESIST from spreading falsehood that Ugbos are Ibos.

This notorious attitude of some
younger generation of Ibos for twisting other ethnicities' history or spreading this false info on blogs or Wikipedia must stop. The OP is repeating the same thing on NL.


3. As an older man who is well read with a vast knowledge of historical events, I'm aware that before the year 2000 and beyond, IBO was widely used officially in the mass
media, school books, etc, and
Ibos like Achebe were okay with
it, otherwise the IBO spelling would NOT have been used in his books!

The Yorubas are the original users
of the word/spelling IGBO (or
UGBO) as can be seen from the
earliest Yoruba language dictionary of the 1800s.

It was not until after the year
2000 that "Igbo" started appearing
interchangeably in literature and
some publications to refer to the
ethnicity from the S/East. Till date, I still prefer the use of IBO because this is the spelling my generation officially grew up with and remain.
Oxford dictionary still references
the "Ibo" spelling as well.

4. The Oduduwa Dynasty is the 3rd dynasty in Ife as affirmed by Oba
Adeyeye Ogunwusi in a September 4, 2021 Saturday Punch interview
on pages 12 to 13.

The Ooni himself clearly stated on page 13 that he is the 51st Ooni in the 3rd dynasty and gave the names of the 1st and 2nd older dynasties as: Ife Odaye and Ife Oyeelagbo. These dynasties had
real kings or rulers, and the Yoruba history and people have existed for centuries in autochtonous areas outside Ife and before the rise of
Oduduwa (Odu + Iwa), just like
Igodomigodo and the rule of
the elders (Ogisos) existed in
Edo State before the Oduduwa
3rd dynasty!


5. "Orun Oba Ado Sacred Grove"
This is the sacred location in
Ile Ife where the preserved heads
of some past Obas of Benin are buried before 1900! The head burial symbolises Ile Ife as the paternal origins. The other
remains of the Obas of Benin
were symbolically interned in
Benin the maternal line from
the Oba Oranmiyan/Eweka
dynasty era.

6. Uhe is the dialect or variant of the name Ife. The people of Usen who originally have Ife ancestry with Bini influences usually greet themselves by saying in their
dialect: How is Uhe (Ife)?

So how can anybody say that
Ife (or Uhe) means "vagina?"
This OP made a ridiculous post here based on the worse form
of distortion and propaganda!

Ile Ife means this LAND IS WIDE. The Ooni, Oba Adeyeye Ogunwusi even emphasised this fact in a video interview when he ascended the throne in 2016.






PS. Much respect to Tao11[Tao12] for
the insights and great work here.

PPS.
Cc: Olu317, born2breed

Abohboy:
You really said the Yoruba language is coptic in origin and you expect anyone to take you seriously? You're the one who needs to drink infact at this rate of stupidity drinking water cannot save you only brain surgery can save you better start saving up

absoluteSuccess:
https://www.nairaland.com/6794853/arewa-oduduwa-more-alike-than

Olu, many people are picking stuffs from this very thread.

You will know your input when you see it. I think they pick up skeletons here and add some flesh.

Abohboy:
You really said the Yoruba language is coptic in origin and you expect anyone to take you seriously? You're the one who needs to drink infact at this rate of stupidity drinking water cannot save you only brain surgery can save you better start saving up

Abohboy:
Everything you just said is Bullshit

Abohboy:
You really thought you could sneak in the first paragarph into the overall story didn't you. All this attests to is that the Hebrew had trade relations with the Egyptians nowhere does this prove that the Egyptians were Hebrew or that the Yoruba were Hebrews this post alone has destroyed your whole argument

Konquest:
Great post.

Awesome stuff! I'm just knowing
of this Yoruba alphabetical style.

The Ashanti language was also written in Arabic just like Yoruba and Hausa before the Latin alphabet was introduced by Ajayi
Crowther (Hubert Macaulay's maternal grandfather) in 1843.

Yoruba is a tonal language hence
the diacritical marks (or ami ohun).
Hausa alphabets and numbers in
Latin scripts are simpler to learn because they are written just like the English alphabet without diacritical marks.

rhektor:
Olu317, why have you not responded to these words in bold?

sherlock229:
Yeah that maybe correct since iwo ẹlẹru is stated to be different from modern day yoruba, so it's an archaic human different from all modern day humans. Thereason is that the fossil human is not among the oldest fossil human on earth. Lessthan14,000 is not old enough.

absoluteSuccess:
They always use a frontier and backup to access people's details, bunch of criminals. They want to have an idea how you make money, the accounts associated with your name or how you distribute your product.

I've sent my bank details to your men, go for it, or better still use it to track the next bus stop close to my house. I know that's exactly what you want to do, to get closer and closer by all means, creepy being.

You will always try, but God of Heaven will disgrace you.

Abohboy:
I never said that Yorubas weren't the oldest my point is that the link you're trying to force between Yoruba and Hebrew doesn't exist.

If you want inter relationships between Africans only then the west African forest region is the greatest example you can find they didn't have any major contact with any other group till the 12 century and even before then they already had their own language, religion, architecture and indigenous forms of story telling, music, weaving and even metal working the only groups that actually experienced Roman-Latin and Greek influences were those in North Africa and the Muslims didn't bring their influence south into Africa until the 9th century and when I say influence I mean actual established trade routes and actually converting whole empires.

And the Levants and Babylonians and what not they have no influence whatsoever maybe on the architecture, science and maths of the Ancient Egyptians but apart from that what did they really do to us in the African interior?

The presence of ideograms doesn't automatcally indicate the presence of a singular cultural hegemony or group and I would liek you to show me these so called historical and scholarly based evidence that proves the Hebrew had presence in Songhai and the Chad Basin

Abohboy:
You're waffling there's no Hebrew influence in Sub Saharan Africa and there's nothing special about their religion or culture it is simply an amalgamation of dozens of different religions from that region that they used to take land from the Canaanites and somehow also got the Roman empire to adopt

Abohboy:
I never said that the Hebrews didn't exist i said the influence they had on Africa was nonexistent and there's no actual link

Why does it matter that the oldest known human fossil was found in Morocco?

Then concerning your statements on Egypt and Ethiopia notice how late into history that already is the first century CE when most peoples groups had already established their land, cultural names, religions and were slowly moving onto ages of scientific evolution how exactly did the Hebrews do anything to influence them as you claim.

And why is it even a surprise that the third oldest human fossil is found outside of Afirc was in Israel? That just shows the scientific theories of out of Africa are correct where else would they have gone to from Africa? Israel was the easiest route out so how exactly is that even a logical piece of evidence? And the funny thing is that the most likely case is that those fossils probably don't even belong to the ancestors of the Hebrew but rather to the ancestors of the Canaanites whom the Hebrew used their so called one true God and the Bible to conquer and that alone should tell you why this whole Hebrew religion, stories and so called Semitic link between them and other Africans groups is all bullshit

Okay bring the hieroglyphics of the supposed Hebrews teaching the Egyptiand about Snake poision but i'd like to remind you there was a hieroglyph found in Egypt depicting all the different groups they'd come into contact with and the Hebrews weren't there it was The Egyptians themselves, The Nubians, The Libyans and The Hitites unless you now want to claim the Hitites as Hebrews which would go against the stories in the Bible because the Hitites constantly attacked and invaded Egypt but nowhere in the Bible does it mention such.

And finally the Yoruba calendar isn't semitic in origin it is simply a lunar calendar which is followed by every other ethnic group within Africa and for most new year is either in June or July it's only the Zulu that have their new year in September as far as I know if truly the Yoruba's calnder was semitic in origin why is their new year over three months prior to the Hebrew new year?

There is no semitic link or anything between the group and you need to stop trying to force this link that doesn't exist

Abohboy:
And how exactly is that rock with hebrew inscriptions that is only 3000 years old have anything to do with African ideograms, religion and culture? When the ancestors of us modern day Nigerians were already making stone tools over 250 000 years ago in the lush forests of igboland and were making pottery in the caves of Yorubaland other 13 000 years ago infact in that same cave with pottery called Iwo eleru they also found inscriptions of odu ifa and other ideograms the community is going to decipher the writings of odu ifa signs within the caves soon but the ultimate point is that our religions, cultures, languages and technologies were already there and the Hebrews didn't do anything to influence us until the Europeans came and opened up the world more.