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Truthvalue:
Something tells me that that was the idea behind the Oba of Benin allowing the europeans to establish churches.

gregyboy:
First of all the account of the establishment of ughton was collected in 1906
And had nothing relating to ile ife or Oromiyan or Oduduwa

It stated that a prince of benin left to establish ughton... Who was fleeing is father wrought

Again they are so many prince's of benin, enogie sons are called prince, the oba sons are
Called prince's

The account never mentioned if it was the oba of benin sons or an enogie son that was the prince, who founded ughton..... But it was hijacked by egharevba and misinterpreted to mean Oromiyan and Oduduwa


Again Ruy De Sequeira entered benin...
According to the histrionical document ruy de Sequeira was leaving benin when he decided to explore the coast of Lago...

And ewuare had died centuries before the Portuguese step foot on Benin


See why not join the history reading rather than supporting as a troll or are you afraid you may stumble on the truth you feared to see

rosinkkit:
Nyambe = Yahweh?

The original Hebrews were blacks, so it's easy to imagine the two words refer to the same Entity.

Christistruth00:
There is only One King of Kings and it is Jesus Christ

Just Say Ooni was the Overlord or Pope of all Yoruba Kingdoms

Truthvalue:
So bight of Benin has become "yorubaland", fake map, fake stories, fake brain, olu317, you are a 419.

An actual precolonial map of the region:

https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin?rk=386268;0

Truthvalue:
Instead of saying scholar this or scholar that why didn't you dhow an eye witness account of these tales ? You claim there is z European account, yet instead if showing it, you are boring me to death by talking about scholars here and there. I have already stated this time and again, and it is written in the very comment to which you are replying: history is studied through historical documents ( := eyewitness account) not "scholar account".

In fact let me serve you back the comment to which you were replying, you need yo read it again and again until you finally understand it and stop making contradictory statements

"1) If you knew anything about history then you would know that what matters for the study of history is not "history books" but historical documents. I know your education didn't go far enough to understand this concept.
"History" books about african history are often done by unprofessional bigots (or under their influences) and are filled with lies and fairytales and all sorts of fiction. That is why studying African history as an educated adult requires doing the work of a historian: seeking historical documents and going through them.

2) I am not interested in "anti-yoruba", I only seek to make hearing and seeing the truth an option to readers on nairaland. It is not my fault that yoruba tend to hate hearing the truth about themselves.

3) I couldn't even care less about yoruba except for the fact yoruba keep claiming my people and my heritage. So I shed a light on the history of Benin empire and put a nail kn the coffin of the fairytales of oduduwa and ogiso and oranmiyan.

4) Not contempt with my telling the truth about the history of my people which was documented by eyewitnesses, you and your yoruba followers including your transgender troll attacked me and harassed me and kept coming with more lies.

5) That is why I had to also study yoruba true history and expose it right here."

Also, as I already said, oranmiyan, oduduwa and ogiso are fairytales, you in particular do not seem to be able to talk about history without talking about people who never existed and were made up. And look at the new name you guys are now giving oranmiyan. Did you decide that in your last propagandist reunion, just like when you guys were creating that scam of "yoruba" etymology here on nairaland ? So now your fictional oranmiyan had a nomenclature following european style of name: family name and personal name. Just like your fraudulent "medieval" burial site of the King of Benin which was built with modern cement technology and which is littered with british alphabet. Your frauds are always so very obvious.

nisai:
Welcome.

gregyboy:
Am talking of an 1894 book you're talking of Wikipedia who does that....


Why not watch silently before you jump into the discussion

gregyboy:
Am here sir the desperate lady in her quest to prove me wrong Oduduwa wasnt an invention of Samuel johson she Referenced a book of 1894 talking about Oduduwa as a female goddess

And in our debate any refrence beyond 1897 would be regarded as invalid so don't her lure you beyond those years to prove her point she. Must be nailed

Using egharevba biok written after 1897 as a refrence to her point is already invalid

Am waiting for your material sir

Lemme drop the 1894 screenshot of the female Oduduwa

She wanted to escape from me calling Oduduwa sn invention of Samuel johson and she gave me another point to hammer on, she will surely be punished by me

When am done with her she will look for earlier material regarding Oduduwa as a man and not a female goddess

Stoplying:
@macof, sorry I don't read the comments of your troll infant.

1) If you knew anything about history then you would know that what matters for the study of history is not "history books" but historical documents. I know your education didn't go far enough to understand this concept.
"History" books about african history are often done by unprofessional bigots (or under their influences) and are filled with lies and fairytales and all sorts of fiction. That is why studying African history as an educated adult requires doing the work of a historian: seeking historical documents and going through them.

2) I am not interested in "anti-yoruba", I only seek to make hearing and seeing the truth an option to readers on nairaland. It is not my fault that yoruba tend to hate hearing the truth about themselves.

3) I couldn't even care less about yoruba except for the fact yoruba keep claiming my people and my heritage. So I shed a light on the history of Benin empire and put a nail kn the coffin of the fairytales of oduduwa and ogiso and oranmiyan.

4) Not contempt with my telling the truth about the history of my people which was documented by eyewitnesses, you and your yoruba followers including your transgender troll attacked me and harassed me and kept coming with more lies.

5) That is why I had to also study yoruba true history and expose it right here.

debbydams:
toor

MetaPhysical:
Excuse my rambling but im going to be all over the place before i address the topic. The reason is because i believe life is a story, it works well when fed in meaty narrative, as opposed to skeletal chronicle entries.


Everywhere on the planet people can be divided along names adopted from lineage of conquerors.

Exceptions are East Asians. They dropped their conquerors names and went back to using their indigeneous names and languages.

The lineages are -
Arab
English
French
Spanish

These lineages can be categorized into -
Arab
European.

In certain places people have lost their indigeneous names and all they have left for identity is Arabized or Europeaned names.

These two categories of name lineage also correspond closely with universal terrorism. Those who frighten and kill others to force their ideology on them.

Everywhere in the world, names adopted from these murderers appear in variations that feature in the local tongue.

A lot of controversy has popped up lately arguing the Yoruba case against Arab, whether in name or word expressions. Did Arab donate to Yoruba, or was Yoruba the donor to Arab?

Let's examine the Yoruba name Apata for instance. It means Rock. It serves as attribute of one who is dependable for support....someone to lean on, a pillar of strength.

Then in Bible its equivalent is Peter.

Did Yoruba donate to Bible or was Apata a Yorubanized feature of Peter?

I have encountered someone with first name Peter and surname Apata. I looked at his form and looked up at him in disbelief...wondering in my mind if this individual knew that by writing Peter Apata, he just gave his name as "Peter Peter" or " Apata Apata".


Let me return to Yoruba and Arabic.

I like what Rodeillo said somewhere on this thread that Gbadamosi must have derived from Badamasi which took origin from Badmas, which in turn was culled from Abdulmasih. He attributed its origin to Egyptian Copts.

Not all names in Arabic are Islamic.

Many people need to be instructed on this as only few have the knowledge to trace name roots.

The Arabic name Abubakar is bear by Muslims. This name existed before Muhammed introduced Islam.

His uncle, a leader of the Koreish tribe, was named Abubakar. The Koreish were guardians of Kaaba, the shrine in which they worshipped their deity gods.

In Yoruba deity gods are called Orisha.

Compare Koreish and Orisha.

The name Abubakar is Bakare in Yoruba.

If Abubakar was a leader of his people he would also have been a Priest of the Orishas.

Many ancient words have been lost in Yoruba but the word Akarigbo remains with us. Its a title now amongst the Ijebus. Amongst the Chiefs in Lagos there is Akarigbere.

Could Abubakar in Arab Orisha worshippers have been same as Yoruba Orisha adherents of Akarigbo?

Compare Abubakar to Abobakarigbo.

Where was the genesis of Abubakar, in Yoruba....or in Arab?


Where was genesis of Gbadamosi, in Yoruba....or in Arab?



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Olu317
Macof
Rodeillo

Abohboy:
How did Oduduwa come from the middle east? Life started in Ethiopia did it not? So where does the middle east come into this if anything Oduduwa came from Egypt, Nubia or Ethiopia nowhere else and don't even attempt to use islam as a potential origin of the Yoruba people it is a false narrative please come and bring this so called odu ifa verse that says that oduduwa came from middle east i'll wait

Christistruth00:
Oduduwa was a Man who was the Father of the Yoruba dynasty of Kings from Ife that Conquered and took over from the Obatala dynasty of Igbo Kings at Ile Ife.

He was deified as a God after his death just like Sango and Ogun who had been Alaafins of Oyo were

Abohboy:
How did Oduduwa come from the middle east? Life started in Ethiopia did it not? So where does the middle east come into this if anything Oduduwa came from Egypt, Nubia or Ethiopia nowhere else and don't even attempt to use islam as a potential origin of the Yoruba people it is a false narrative please come and bring this so called odu ifa verse that says that oduduwa came from middle east i'll wait

9jamostgrow:
Akoko-Edo is a conglomerate of Edo, Yoruba, Ebira (igara), and Igala (Akuku) Origin. it beat my imagination if someone coming to defend or explaining AKOKO-EDO as if you can force them to accept what there ancestors never told them. Another set of people are the Igara or Etunu in Akoko-edo whom want to force there origin and extend it to other part of akoko-edo just because igara is the head quarter of the local govt, forgotten somorika actually gave igara that land they currently occupied when they migrated from Nupe or Kogi area of the country. Igara are not up to 2 communities in Okpamari which are the largest group with language similarities of which somorika and Ibillo are included in Opkamari Group. for your information the Akoko-Edo with Yoruba heritage are more Yoruba than you think because majority of there ancestors are directly aboriginals from the present day Ondo town in Ondo State and few others from Ile-Ife. For various reasons best known to historians, there ancestors relocated through Old Benin Empire and merge with the Afemai and that was how language changes occurs. they are also clans with Benin heritage and Igala precisely.... Akoko-edo is a place where various tribes meet to form one group but dominated by Yoruba's because you can actually find them in all clans, Towns and villages in Akoko-Edo and they are directly or indirectly part of Akoko-Ondo.

samuk:
I am not sure you comprehend my reply to you. I challenged any one of you to present evidence of Benin having brotherly relationship with Yoruba before 1890, you are submitting 1937 and 1968 fabrications.

The nature of Benin relationship with Yoruba before the fall of Benin in 1897 was purely that of coloniser, Benin simply colonised Yoruba land.

The stories of Benin being related to Yoruba started after 1890. Go back and provide evidences earlier than 1890 or wait for sister and let see what lies she comes up with this time.

Christistruth00:
Sorry Ogun was the 4 th Ooni I was trying to remember if he ruled in Oyo or Ife

Anyway even the defeated Obatala was deified


Yorubas need to stop worshipping their dead ancestors and turn to Jesus and the Living God

God gave us all those heroic leaders so that wore could observe his move and Plans for our Nation not that we should Worship the men he used to build us into a Nation

There is no way you would look at Yoruba History and not see the Miraculous hand of God moving and working out his Purpose to make us a great People to carry out his Purpose of helping Africa out from Idolatry and the Dark Ages into his Glorious Purpose and light

Yorubas have been a Nation for more than 1000 years and despite numerous adversity through the Centuries they are still getting Stronger

It Could only be Almighty God

Christistruth00:
Oduduwa was a Man who was the Father of the Yoruba dynasty of Kings from Ife that Conquered and took over from the Obatala dynasty of Igbo Kings at Ile Ife.

He was deified as a God after his death just like Sango and Ogun who had been Alaafins of Oyo were

icedfire:
Is this the correct translation for that line or this

VEHINTOLAR:
Osa means deity or god in Yoruba. The standard form Orisa.

absoluteSuccess:
WOW, Hercules! If I'm Ijebu, I would have taken that epithet. The Yoruba version of this is Akile. The Canaanite name passed to Greek legend and became fan fiction with the Greeks. Homer did justice to the rest.

It's understandable for the fact that cities of old were built from market place to community, hence the Yoruba refer to this, making ancient Yoruba kings, Oloja. So when it's said oshin or Oloja it's royalty.

Compare Greek "agora", city center, market place. Like you have it in Yoruba, ancient people transfer ideas from one place to the other. It's just as you claim the Ooni to have said, there are more Yoruba Caucasian than the present Yoruba people.

This is true, if Yoruba should migrate and become a national of another country, his posterity cannot continue to answer Yoruba for a thousand years, it would have become grafted into it's new place of abode.

Compare abode to ibudo: is one inferior to the other? Now look at Greek Socrates, does he look like a typical white man? Then look at Alexander the great, does he look like a black man?

Was the race of Socrates ever in question? Well no, because he's Athenian, a Greek. If the Greek has started from agora, wont people from different places around have became Greek by transversing the Peloponnesian creeks and isles?

So, different folks who's business meets in Greek will defend it too as Greeks. This invariably becomes bonafide Greeks at the passage of time, if the agora becomes a successful homeland.

Then who will question who in a community that people survived on the contributions of one another? But then, power can slip from one end to the other, and a family can pull out like the Israelites did in Egypt.

Dudu legbon pupa laburo

Ifa was right there that dudu legbon, pupa laburo. Even Adam was made from clay, "Ad" that's aadun, edun, edom=clayish=amo: Adam, first man; Edom, Edun, Ado, Edo, Ibini, Ibi ikini.

Waidun, ahad, Arabic for first, one. To Yoruba Akoko, Eni, Bini. This combo inspired the balance Akoko-Edo, black come first, so to say. With Igbo, Edo is koko. It's the syllable system earlier discussed (on apa) at work here.

Let's check it out: the Bible adopted Adam as first man, then Edom as first of Isaac twins. Edom was red, that statement is the function of color and number, hence Edom is an example of intra lingual cognate with Adam.

Yoruba adopted the color in question inherent with the syllable, aadun. The food is so called because it's clay color, from Ad. The Igbo did the same thing, hence Edo is her word for cocoyam because of its color.

The word root is semitic.

Blacks were early risers while the whites were late bloomers. In their epochs, the black race made towering achievements in science, technology and humanity that presently sustains mankind on the planet.

But life goes on, the white man holds the rudder in this dispensation. No race is self sufficient, we all depends on one another as of old. Plato travelled to Africa to learn from the wisdom of Egypt, Joseph took baby Jesus to Egypt also.

Black is not evil, white is not horror. Both are great and sometimes terribly bad. The black race had once enslave the whites, the whites later enslave the blacks, that's basically balance of evil, life goes on.

VEHINTOLAR:
As a people,Yoruba have lost so many things because we are yet to discover who we truly are ! I have always believed that Yoruba people are not just another Africans; we are quite unique in some very unbelievable ways. Do you think it a mere coincidence that one the ancient Pharaohs of Egypt's DNA matches that of the Yoruba people of Nigeria and Benin republic ?

I know of a reputable IFA scholar in Osogbo,Osun state - Baba Elebuibon - Ifayemi Elebuibon,there are many of them actually,but he is the Araba Awo of Osogbo. Please,google his name to know more about him. You can contact Baba if you wish to learn IFA deeply.

Good luck bro,cheers !

rhektor:
Thank you very much, this exactly is how I heard about it from my Ibo friend

madele:
I don't have that why am asking ?

rhektor:
Is ibo akpa not a bag?

madele:
Pls what are the things eji ogbe person don't eat and do?