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absoluteSuccess:Hercules , ride on bro. You see, I know many of them in this school thought who contradicts themselves because everything seems weird and impossible. Unfortunately Western researchers kept studying Yoruba ethnic with great wonders and adoration. Whil we have antagonists who believe in rediculing Yorubas history to only West Africa, because of hate towards light skin Caucasian. Here is the only place, I see insult been pampered by the owner of this platform with genuine penalty for offenders, whose view differs from the other person's post. Even if one disagree over a statement, should one disagree with genetic findings or evidence ? This alone is the height of unscholarly approach. Traditionally, Ifaodu affirms ancient Yorubas did Ablution and still being done before prayer. Even Bárùkún(Bent knees on ground and head touch the ground)! Did Yoruba copy this also from their Hausa Neighbours as Farooq Kporogi had claimed Islam arrived in Hausa land before Yoruba's ? These set of Yoruba people are not different from some outsiders' view that argue that most shared words from semitic protolanguage were borrowed �.But thank God, Oral historians held some vital information that support Yoruba ancestors to had lived in many place according to Ifaodu and her language is indigenous.While it being a teacher's language. Infact,I have seen one of us on the disagreeing part thinking in the direction of umálẹ́ as a word older than ríṣá . While not realising each word in Yoruba land serves a purpose.So, I kept mute all along and shall maintain this pattern because,I have seen certain people who are just lover of what they want to accept as their own righhtful thing, either it is false or not. According to Ifaodu, ẹgbon lagba,pupa laburó..... Another, says also in Ifaodu, Afin loriṣá. But these people will cry blue murder if we say Yorubas have mixed ancestry�� . Ileife affirmed to have Caucasian descendant. Even at this, Ooni once said in recent past, the Caucasian Yorubas in the world are more than the darkskin Yoruba people in west Africa . And Soon after that statement or closely related time, Yoruba were outrightly identified as breed of Neanderthal. As at today, geneticists have discovered new fossil axe that's over 1,3000, 000 years ago. While a discovery in Israel though date is not absolutely verified, claims fossil human found is older than 300,000 years(unique Neanderthal fossil human )old in this late July 2021. So, the reality is that Yoruba history is highly vast and beyond Yoruba land in the antiquity. And had her foot in Africa and Near East. If you actually read more on the coptic language , then you will realise , it was a foreign language brought by the Hebrews. Infact the Egyptians were literate and were not even having keen interest in Coptic language, because the target were foreigners in the paypyris,which ascribe to it, basically for magical and religious purpose. While the speakers were large in population before arrival of Islam. Invariably the language was the language brought by St. Mark, during First Century C.E as the first Pope of Eypt , who brought both old script and and doctrine of Yeshua. Cheers |
absoluteSuccess:Sire, I do not intend to stress myself on this issue because, how does one engage people who are vastly anti reality? Secondly, I do learn and still learning on this platform.So count me in on your postulation Meanwhile are you aware Apá ( anti familiar spirit tree) , has cognate with ibo's a known tree known as Apa/Akpa! Just my input. Before I forget, send me your contact # detail, though not here but through other means and let me tell my Oga to add you on Yorubas historical elite platform. And definitely you will see input from Professor Ogunfolakan and the rest. |
Fahdiga:Just imaging your statement ? Disgu.tin. statement. How long have you been a chelsea fan and watched the same Chelsea suffer defeat ? It is better you leave chelsea or accept the owner, who brought finance that revolutionised English premiership league. God bless Chelsea owner I am a diehard Chelsea fan. |
rhektor:In what regard nooow ? Instead call Macof, because he is the one whom you seek! ![]() |
rhektor:Lol |
Gambit23:If you posit so. But what I know, is that your summation is not based on proper census for verification of Itsekiri population . So, you're entitled to your personal view as I am. |
Gambit23:Lol! Is it because you have little knowledge of the Itshkiri ? Kindly know that the Itsekiri are one of the aristocratic members of Yoruba families . They are hidden inside Yoruba land without noise making as well as the quiet Super rich other clans of Yorubas. So, do not use such statement that Itsekiri is 1% Yorubas because , it is underestimated in as much as a factor of Nigeria actually divided Yorubas into clans. Instead, "ancestry" or "descent of who" were used in the ancient times to identify each one of us. |
RedboneSmith:No problem. Let me start from behind 1. Ologun : as a name in ancient times means, Lord of all in war "Èlú/Òlú+ Ogún,which its contraction is "Ologun." This name was exclusively a king's name or of royalty name. And if Nana of Itsekiri had a slave man leader, named, "Ologun", then, it is most often as a result of a royal bloodline . In regards to this manslave leader with such name , do have some underlying tone in relation with royalty, such as warrior princes who are not immune to being captured by invaders or captured during collision with opponenets on war conquest. 2. I only wanted to know if you actually have detailed information on this as regards specific clans but since, you have clarify your point. So, there is no qualm. Mind you, Ogedengbe Agbogungboro, Ooni Ayikiti, Ooni Derin Ologbenla, Shodeke, Afonja etc were princes or related to royalty. And some of these men became kings. So, in Yoruba land, princes are drafted as warriors to confront enemies of his ancestors kingdom's. 3. The enroute, you mentioned can not be disregarded because , the Bini's king contact with Portuguese ambassador visitor in 1485/1486 ,gave a relief as regard acquisition of military ware from Portuguese king and its government in exchange for slaves, Art Work, pepper, Palm oil, beads etc , in which these weapon aided the Bini kingdom at a point in time. But her prowess was cut short at a point in history. |
RedboneSmith:So, Itsekiri or Ijekiri enslaved Yorubas ? This is not actually true. Perhaps, shed more light on the particular clan of Yorubas, you referred. |
fabolousneyo:Awesome piece. I appreciate your write up even if there are bad eggs among them.Beside, there is no ethnic group or Race on earth without bad eggs. So do not fear the bashing of men. Instead, rejoice that a good man helped irrespective of ethnic affinity. |
rhektor:Ignorant as you remains ignorants ,no matter how hard you make such learn! So, whenever I quote, it is just to keep the true learner knows that whatever I post is Cognate in every way, as been expected in protolanguage everywhere in the world when comparison between two or more languages. I am 100% certain you are only opportune to chat with me on this forum because it is free for all to access. Anyway, some mothers do have your type! Mind you, do not self-service at all since, I chose how my reply is, as regard what you seek! Seemingly, you posit from a man's angle whose knowledge is highly limited! After all, if renowned scholar such as Professor Farooq Kperogi can wrongly claim that Islam exist in Hausa land before Yoruba land, without verifying how Yoruba language existed in Egypt at a point in time before the language became known as Coptic's liturgy language, how much a less brilliant you , who claim "Shetan"/ "Shatan" does not exist in Hebrew. For your lies, let me share this information for the keen readers as thus: Strong's Greek: 1228. διάβολος (diabolos) -- slanderous, accusing falsely ... that bring down (destroy) . Satan is used by God in this plan ... Dictionary) . 1228 (diabolos) in secular Greek means "backbiter," ... ' ἐξοχήν to the one called in Hebrew הַשָּׂטָן, ὁ σατανᾶς (which see ... Liars have no lives: Here is a Written down Hebrew language that is older than Arabic's . So Mr. Man, "Shaytan"does not exist as you have spelt it in Hebrew but as Hebrew הַשָּׂטָן , which means; From right to left arrangement: Nun+tet+Shin+Hey From left to right arrangement : Shin(Sh)+ tet(t)+Nun (N)=Shtn-Shetan In Yoruba's Root : Ṣ(Sh)+t+N Ṣe ọtẹ̀ ẹní or in contraction , ṣọtẹ̀'ní (one's adversary ,opposition,backbiter etc). Stop living a lie life and go learn
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rhektor:I won't teach you anything,since you have started with lies again. Thus ride on with your 1999, false information����☺ . What do I need add ? Since you know more than me. |
rhektor:LOL! Kindly pick up Yoruba dictionary and find me she ote eni if you will find. Perhaps, you need consult your own English teacher to simply teach you how to understand reason " contraction " exist in language. As simple as ABC, ṣọ̀tẹ̀(ní) ṣọtà('ní'). And the Hebrew does not have Shaytan! The root שִׁטן (shtn). This means "shin+tet+nun." If You are knowledgeable , in Yoruba Ifáodù(Ifádù),you will realise, there are Yoruba terms that are extremely out your dictionary except, Ifa priest assist you. However,no more answers to your questions as regard the Hebrews. Kindly post Odù Corpus in Ifaodu to support Èṣù as human's benefactor. |
The beauty of Yoruba religious aspect of Ifaodu,is that, no matter,how a Yoruba Christian prays, such person cannot do without always, acknowledging the name ascribed to, in Ifaodu, such as Eledumare, Edumare, Oyigiyigi, Eledua, Eleda, Asheda, Ori etc. Despite the fact that even if these Christian Yorubas do not know the procedurial role each of these identities plays accordingly. The reality is that all christians or muslims praying in Yoruba language while mentioning names associated with Ifaodu still have the prayers being answered. So, for the Yoruba guy above who do not know much but who think Eshu is devil need to visit traditionalists, who are genuine, priests or very knowledgeable in Yoruba religion to have a feel of Eshu Bara. An inseparable name from Orunmiela in Odù corpus in Ifaodu. |
rhektor, Read and learn about ancient Hebrew God.
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rhekor, You are a typical opposition to the truth but you lack the pedigree. Unfortunately for you, the ancient Hebrew God does not have rival or opposition.And satan remains only man's problem to access God,so also deprive mankind from having everything good to come to mankind.
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rhektor, if you want to learn, be a good student and honour those, who have acquired what you do not know. Read below the fact that "Satan" is not devil but adversary, oppostion etc , according to ancient Hebrew or the present day extreme Caucasian light skin Hebrew. Below screenshot proves this again.....
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rhektor:Ride on! Read the screenshot
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Akorede612, The Bible is divided into two parts: Old Testament and The New Testament. While in the interpretation there are errors in translation from the main Classic Hebrew which had no Nikud in the bginng and later being added to it centuries after and was translated in to Aramaic, byblos, Greek, Roman Latin, Khemt cum Hebrew, English language,Yorubas etc . As funny as this may sound but affirmed as a fact, the Word Shetan is not devil in Ancient Hebrew language. Instead, the word, adversary, one's enemy, antagonist. Unfortunately, the Bible interpeters failed to capture this and many more that did made part of the Bible mistakenly interpreted wrongly. This is the reason, the light skin Hebrew reject the Bible and do not believe in Christianity. While Rev. Samuel Ajayi Crowther blundered on this identity of antagonist, or rebel, which in Yoruba means, ṣọtàní (ṣe ọ́ tà ẹní),or ṣọt'ẹní(ṣe ọ́tẹ́ ẹní) , the Yoruba muslims used the Arabic word, "Shetan", with closely cognate with Classic Hebrew. So, Rev Ajayi goofed and this error had so many wrong impression on daily lives of millions of Yorubas speakers, which made Yoruba divided along religious lines, such that the traditional yoruba speakers are comfortable with the older Yoruba language which recognised Eshu as part and parcel of Yoruba creation myth while christians out of this error think Eshu is their problem. While in reality ,Eshu is the source of good wealth, protector, defender of just cause etc in Ifaodu. May God open up people's eyes. Christianity is a stolen religion of the Yoruba. |
ayowonder:You are 100% wrong. Èṣù is not satan. Remains the helper of humanity from problems attacking each believer of Ifaodu. Only if you know how this spirit being and the role HE plays in waging away everything evil from mankind, perhaps it is better you understudy who Èṣù is. |
absoluteSuccess:Yes and I did appreciate them because of their life style. Give you car or motor lift without knowing you. They will park by your side in the morning and ask,where are you going in french! It is quite amazing. Just as my father told me about Western Nigeria, in the 60s and early 70s as the way we do. Is it about their night life ? Oh lord! fun for me and anyone who has been in that Benin Republic. The place is extremely safe, without harassment anywhere. A country that had system,which their system allow them do election with fair or favour. A presidential I witnessed without a single death and fair election. |
absoluteSuccess:And their dance is dramatically energetic. |
The Yoruba People introduce the solomon's knot in this part of the world. [/b]Yoruba's Adé has it embbeded in it. Infact, Yoruba ancient attires such as asho ofi, asho oke, etc have this pattern embbeded in in them. Furthermore, the introduction of Solomon's knot in Nigeria's currency came through Yoruba. |
According to Yoruba's Ifaodu corpus, a part was said to state as thus in Odu Ogunda, which affirm, Yoruba's knowledge on world creation inline with religion. The verse says in the Creation myth: In Odu Ifa Osa Ogunda, part of a verse says, Irí tú wili tú wili lá fi dà ilé ayé lá bú da ilẹ́ which means, “Dews pouring lightly, pouring lightly, was used to create the earth world in order that goodness could come forth into existence at once.” |
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Juliusmalema:Lol!No problem. Enjoy the information you believe to true but does not change the fact, that contrary to your view ,ancestors of Yorubas are hybrid of extremely brilliant breed for thousands of years. |
Juliusmalema:1. There are scarifications people and non scarification set of people,who are of Yoruba ethnic groups. 2. Among the ancient Yorubas, it was postulated by Al Ilori assert yorubas to be of Negroes, Nubians, Moors etc., Al-Ilori, A. A. (1987). Nasimus-Sibafi Akhbaril-Islam wa cUlamai Bilādi Yoruba (Gentle Wind on the Information of Islam and the Scholars in Yoruba Land) (2nd ed., p. 33). Cairo: 'al-Matba'atun Namudhajiyyah. As at when he posited this position, some scholars of 19th and 20th century especially pro Africans of an African origin of Yorubas. But today, science has proven European,Near East(Asian) breed amongst Yorubas. In which ,Yoruba has been confirmed to carry a gene of Neanderthal. This information confirm partly position of Al Ilori. Even 3 .According to Yoruba oral account in Ileife, albino is referred as a high Orísá as compared to Darkskin people. If you are a deep traditional Yoruba being, my position ought be more clearer to you. 4. There is a family lineage in Ileife called as the ancestors of the albino cum white skin groups. 5. As it was in the ancient time,so as it today and shall be till infinity. The Yorubas as at ancient times have core light skin groups, such as mulattoes, high light skin Caucasians, Arab, Negroes, etc who are directly or indirectly related to Yoruba genetically. |
SlyDev:You see, certain set of people on this platform contend with scientists who have carried out series of dna test on Yorubas and other Africans. So, do not marvel over your screesnshot if these people claim Yoruba do not have euroasia dna link. As far back as a dacade ago or thereabout ,Professoer David Reich, at Havard Univeriy, who is a geneticist , raised the alarm over what he discovered, about Yoruba dna of presentday Africa .And from then, extensive researches have been carried out and still being carried out. As far as we are concerned ,once researches being carried out on dna analysis keeps matching up with oral accounts aswell with more archeological discoveries, which also fall in with historical account of corpus in Ifaodu, will directly posit, where Yoruba actually came from. Interestingly, AFRICANUS AND PAN AFRICANISTS : Many pan Africanists wants to do away with everything Unafricans,forgetting that Africa,was named after Publius Scipio Africanus,a Roman General. So we May need to do away with the name "Africa" and reverse to the old name of the continent, "Alkebulan", this Ancient name was used by the Nubian , Kush ,Moor ,Numidians and Ethopian civilization to refer to our Continent,before it was changed toAfrica by the Roman. A name which is a conqueror's name. Yet you see these die hard few element attached to an African identity, which it origin is of a Roman General, who killed a lot khemet,Nubian, Moor etc. Cheers |
rhektor:The Screenshot of "smoke" inYoruba is attach below from a Yoruba dictionary. Post your own source. Or have you become encyclopedia ?
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I hope the moderatora in this section will do the needful by following the instuction in the rules and regulations of this platform. I have endured series of bullying by a moniker named rhektor. Kindly observe tbe screenhot and use the penalty for rule 2.
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KingOKON:Smiles. 1. You do not draw my attention with vulgar words on my personality and expect me to answer you. 2. You can not expect me to dole out my research work without publication and expect me to be paid for it. 3. Intellectual property right protection is one reason I do not intend to post my information on Yoruba people as you desired of me. While someone else use it before my work being released 4. I have never posted anything that is not written in books,in which my research work is based. While going further, I deliberately engage people of different dialect speakers of Yorubas except Igala, whose language do not pass the required percentages to be called Yoruba language. 5. Kindly go to the Yoruba Hebrew thread to read what I had posted in the past. 6.On a lighter note, I will share information accrodingly to your questions if your questions are within my cope. |
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Mind you, do not self-service at all since, I chose how my reply is, as regard what you seek! Seemingly, you posit from a man's angle whose knowledge is highly limited!