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macof:
Get your hands on proper Yoruba language books since you can't figure out diacritics on your own and stop arguing nonsense.
You can see the first screenshot avoids writing diacritics in almost every word there, the writer is not familiar with how to write proper Yoruba

A case of blind leading the blind

I hear you . Teacher teaching me falsehood is unacceptable. Kindly focus on ọ̀rọ and stop lamenting.

These are two different books from
different sources which use same word and can't be wrong together.

Abeg,post your own source or are you now Mr. encyclopedia ? Ride on with false statement

rhektor:
If one is to interpret what you wrote in the sentence lol
Ọ̀rọ = means nothing in Yorùbá not even in any of the Yorùbá dialect
Which school taught you tí write like this?
You even have to argue that ọ̀rọ̀ is wrong like what the f* is wrong with you? Olu317, I have said this before, "go back to school and learn proper use of diacritics in Yorùbá writing.


It is people like you who would argue Ọta and Otta, aiye and ayé ẹyẹ and ẹiyẹ etc

Cc
Macof TAO11

Lmao. ọ̀rọ means word

rhektor:
Transliteration or translation?

I thought you claim you have knowledge of both, since you argue without fact.

But I intentionally stated it when I know you have no knowledge of transliteration which was the reason I mock you with it . So whatever you deem fit,posits .

Meanwhile ọ̀rọ means word in another written book which is same as mine. Proof yours with either dictionary or written books, Mr. professor of diacritics

rhektor:
What does this mean?

Give genuine English transliteration and meaning. Solve the riddle.

rhektor:
Probably somebody here is still using his brain and not too arrogant to know and accept what is right, meanwhile Ogbeni Olu317 will still destroy the language with his seemingly correct dictionary

Lol. Atleast, it is one of the oldest dictionary of Yoruba language in the world which its production was according to the laid foudation by Rev.Samuel Ajayi Crowther [b][/b] for his contribution. So,thank me later.

PAGAN9JA:
Don't mix garbage with purity.

Don't mix foreign satanic abrahamic cults with Traditional Tribal Religion.

I do not know why many people including yourself differs from the real concept of God's acknowledgement by condemning Abrahamic's ways of life. Kindly direct me to any stanza that Yoruba's God did so.

Please sir,it is ideal right not assume for Yoruba God and affix him with a non identity. Whatever you call foreign religion stn't what you think it is.

Rather be patient to learn Yoruba tradition or aptly be involved in Iṣẹ̀ṣé even if it is on a lighter note to knowing more about recorded knowledge on Yoruba God.

Precisely, I am sure you know that having open heart acquaintance with Ifaodu exposes one to higher understanding of God but, you seem to have hatred towards these semitic ways of life which is enshrined as part of means of worship heavily in Yoruba mode of interaction with God.

Although these mode of worship were hijacked and partially taken away by intruders in ancient Yoruba land,which does not give room for hatred.

Anyway If you are 100% sure , of what you think you know more than us all,then answer these questions before you condemn my views.

1. Why do we genuflect when we pray in Yoruba traditonal ways as the ancient Hebrew did and later Arabs Islamic worshippers do same ?

2. What is the name of the only one whom to be worshipped solely in terrestrial level ?

3. Does Yoruba God has a definite gender ?

Please, use Ifaodu verse to support your view.

4.What is the significance of Ọlọ́jọ day which just finished on the main day fews days ago ?

Akinbọrú
Akinbọyè
Akinbọṣiṣẹ́.

macof:
. Olu you know its true

What is true to you is false to me. Flow with the ancient while reinvigorating the new era with the advance knowledge of the gods.
Làà
Làá
gbàà
gbàá
wàà
wàá

absoluteSuccess:
@Olu, if you stress the last a and put opposing tone, you get a new sound. Egbàá naira, egbewa naira, igba ilopo mewa naira, N2000 naira.

ÀÁ means that the second A will do whatever is next in the sentence: agbatan n làá gbole, báa daso fole a paá laro.

Check the sentence and observe the diacritics. Like rhektor said, if you must stress the word and retain the meaning, it should be the same diacritic, leave politics now, follow the sound.

Igbàá naira will be a misnomer. My advice is, ogbon o digi, okun lafií soó. Subscribe to the standard accent. It's still the Yoruba accent.

Should an imperial Briton write you in Elizabethan English in this age and time, would you have a good time reading it?

But no problem if you won't. It will always cost you the burden of proof.

Not contesting the accented ìgbà or igbà as someone else tries to do.

I am only illustrating the diacritic closeness between the ìgbà-do and ìgbàá which seemingl y altered by the last "A" which is "high tone."

Queen Elizabeth's English language is not as rich as Yoruba's linguistically. So no need for such comparison. Beside,English language is modern as compared to Yoruba language with its complication. Nevertheless, I know, the Yoruba language and her dialect differs in certain pronunciation on some part of speech even when all uses same words. The Pdf should give you some clue about my stance.

macof:
[s]Nobody said anything about Hebrew Judah
You see "The French called it Juda" and the next thing is to bring up the kingdom of Judah

[/s]

AreaFada2:
Lol. Do you know people have spent decades of research doing research into these things?
The languages are not even similar.
Whereas nobody needs to tell you that Igbira and Yoruba are similar or that Benin and Urhobo or Degema are very close.

Again educate yourself properly. It's not my argument. It's convergence of local history, poetry and modern scientific research.

As we already know our SW people think they have monopoly of cleverness. Anyone not doing their bidding is stupid. Only tribal supremacy is important. Truth has no meaning. Even SW people bold enough to be objective are called "omale".

Oduduwa was an exiled Benin Prince. He didn't didn't descend from any bloody mountain, from any chain from heaven or magically wander across any God-forsaken Sahara desert from Israel or Arabia. The versions are so many that you should be ashamed telling your kids such humbug.

Quite pathetic for people who revel in and boast about being educated.

You are so annoying to cook astory again and again that One exiled Ughotton prince and headchief was odua who died century before AD.

You make me laugh! An edo man went to Ughotton and dig out the corresponding fact that support Bini had a link with Yorubas that is superior to her.

What about , the account of Bini pact with Portuguese begun around 1485? The account ultimately led to the fact that Ekalardan lived and died in Ughotton and his descendants reign as the leader of Ughotton.

During the era of oba ozolua, ohen Olokun,the descendant of Ekalardan served the king of Bini....

Who is fooling who ?Grow up and be wiser

TAO11:
Not reliable for diacritics.

Kikikiki you try. Anyway kini me mọ̀ ? Yoruba diacritics masters? Lmaoo

PAGAN9JA:
Gods not god.

No Sir, I disagree because your school of thought may be different from mine in as much as I follow the doctrine of Ifaodu with core interest as a "god" myself. A replica of my creator in human aspect.

Òrìṣà does not mean God in the real context of Yoruba ancestors knowledge, rather ,it means God as entity and his creation with special abilities.

The English lexicon does not clarify on it as much but the biblical teachings separated the Almighty God and lower gods, such as the Hebrews or people who were with extraordinary gift as superhuman.

My humble submission.

A001:
Nice one, bro.

Yoruba language is so rich and our culture so beautiful. Many aspects of the philosophies of our forefathers and ancestors in this part of the world have a lot of depth and wisdom in them.

It's just unfortunate the great damage the two foreign religions have done — and are still doing — to our beautiful culture and rich language.

If one starts saying all these things offline in the presence of the Christians and Muslims and advocate having respect for our traditional values (even without any barbaric or idolatry elements), one would be seen as devilish or an iconoclast by these people.

SMH

Yoruba religion does not fight. So be mild, be sound,be tolerant,be peaceful,etc but let these people realise that, the proverb they say in Yoruba,food they eat, cloth they wear,culture they obey,language they speak etc were birthed in Yoruba religion. Simple as that.

rhektor:
Ìgbà is time

Garden egg is ìgbá in fact to write it correctly you'll have to write ìgbáá as the last syllable would be stressed, anyway your brain can't carry this as it seems too complex for your low kilobyte brain cell

Lmaoo!
So it is same or close pronunciation with your ìgbá+á ? Tell me, has these tones not altered the suppose meaning of the word ?
You have been able to write ìgbáá- (priest calabash) doremifasolati Perhaps a locust tree. Let me posit here that your "ì" is just the only alphabet I support. See I had rewritten it as ìgbàá which is seemingly better than yours...hoin
Ì-gbà-do ( corn),

absoluteSuccess:
Revd Moses Lijadu. That should be 1930s, Egba Reverend and Yoruba traditional religion (Ifa) enthusiast. I saw his book at CSS bookshop, Marina. I will get the book ASAP.

The last part is his "Christianity" perspective of Yoruba tradition. I don't think there's any "metalokan" in Yoruba language and culture and if there's any, it must be available to validate the Christian version for further review.

1892 precisely. I sent you a pdf of reference to him on his finding about Ifaodu and comparison with Christianity. Meanwhile ẹtaokò is in ifáodù but in pattern

absoluteSuccess:
Thanks boss,

Osan gangan, that's the peak of the day, 12pm, ojo kanri.

Oru ganjo, aajin, the farthest or deepest hour of the night, midnight.

Feere, afeemojumo, dawn.

Ile nsu, ile nmo, ojo ngori ojo. From this alone, the Yoruba naturally looks to evening and the morning as the end and the beginning of another day.

Some might subscribe to Ile nmo Ile nsu, it still makes the day culminate in the evening, when another day began, "ojo nrebi ana".

Something else can be observed, loru ana, loru eni, loru ijeta. There's no loru ijeeji. Eni, ana, ijeta. Ana is ijeeji. Ana is Aji: mid, in-between.

In monetary value, ana is the spent. Aina is the capital. The spent time can never be recovered. Ana is the day that has fallen to the spent column of time.

On the other hand, tomorrow is Ola, Yoruba for wealth. This future time seems to fall into the wealth or asset column of time. It has not been spent and so, full of opportunities.

Today, eni, e ni. Total balance, possession, having, bonus, eni. In this sense of time, the three words for days of the week matches with economic thinking, sort of weird.

Well it's not the first time you will encounter sound economic philosophy in the Yoruba imponderables, another example is opokun oyankun.

The cheaper the quantity, the popular the choice.

Enjoy our Yoruba moments.

sent to you. Verify the diacritics insertion and see if truely Yoruba diacritics falls with single tone from the writer and his references. Furher examples are

Some will say Ọ̀bà
Some will say Ọbà
Som will say Obà
Some will say Oba
Some will say Ọ̀bá
Some will say Ọbá
Some will say Obá
Some will say Oba

Below screenshot also shows what lijadu agrees with and disagrees with did compared God of Yoruba and that of Christians and Hebrews.

absoluteSuccess:
Oro naa de ti wa fe sumi bayi o, but mo mo pe o ye awon agbagba meta to modi eeta sa. Nothing spoil. You can't go back but forward, however, you can bring up the rear.

But on Orunmila, ifaodu, there's nothing I can do about your idiosyncrasies. You want to mark the presence of Ela in Yoruba invocation of the name Orunmila. Na religion be that.

I'm okay as long as I can comprehend your contributions, I'm not here that anyone might please me or to please anyone either, just to exhibit the best of my findings with like minds.

How do you pronounces Orunmila, is it Orunmila or orunmiela? I go with the former, it's the way I heard it in Yoruba, and I believe it's the way it's written down, Orunmila.

Can you share the pics of the source of Orunmiela? Just assuming if it comes from a source other than you. And really there was many consultation and editing during the adoption of the Latin alphabets by Crowder.

The "Abrahamics" (apology to mallam) adopted the Latin alphabets for Yoruba language and the Bishop did a lot to see the Yoruba language grow and spread it's tentacles.

Crowther encountered a lot of insights from the translation of Bible to the Yoruba language that made him conclude that the Yoruba were a Hebrew people.

Ordinarily, people seemingly imagined that Ọ̀rúnmi-Ọrúmi and the last part Ẹ̀làà who is identified as Ẹ̀làà gbogili Olúawo Ọọrún(Odù Irete) are different . Far from it. But, Can you see the difference in the movement of the tone?

The "Ọ̀" and "Ọ ", something happened which
shows some form of assumed differences between Ọrún and Ọ̀rún-mi based on semanic rhetoric

When awo memorise odù in ifáodù,he tends to misunderstood the knowledge of the master creator in Ẹ̀làà due to some certain challenges that ravages part of Yoruba history which political aspect of it in the hierarchical manner of the arrangement of kingly lineage in Yoruba land.


Nevertheless, there is orderliness when ifa priest chants which begins as Elaa 3ce and cast lot for patient to seek further knowledge on problem.

Now, on the aspect of the account which identified Ẹ̀làà in that era even till now was also accepted as the second in command to Èlédùmárè, by Rev. Lijadu who challenged the Ifa priests of those era because they were the actual elite of that era even till.

The missionary christians motives were to challenged the authority of the God who they had thought, is superior to Ẹ̀làà but unfortunately, Rev. Lijadu could not do much because he realised there are two personalities in the Yoruba religion who are Eledumare and Elaa(Ọ̀rúnmilà) .

Even if Rev.Lijadu didnt realise there is also Ẹ̀làà who is the voice and spirit that must be called thrice. But he went far to know some fact about Yoruba religion.

In his summary, his experience was at the end summed up that the Yorubas have knowledge of God ,whom they called Eledumare and the one who is the second in command is Ẹ̀làà. But differs on other ground by accusing the priests of abuse of office and that itis not Godly to use sacrifice etcInterestingly, three personalities are the ry of God in one. And these are as following :
Ẹlẹdá-Èlédùmárè(owner of everything)
Ẹ̀làà(ọ̀rúnmilàà-creator)
Ẹ̀làà (voice) .

I will post the page where Lijadu made that statement

absoluteSuccess:
There's a way to know this. The Yoruba have ojo Ose, the day of the creator, the local resting day or their form of Sabbath. It began in the evening till morning.

Observe the traditional institutions, they often do their thing towards evening. I lived with my grandma as a kid, they do go to their Sabbath in the evening to return in the morning.

By this token, Yoruba day began in the evening, not in the morning. Think about this, why did the Yoruba word for half rhymes with midnight, Aji?

The first phase is the Aji, and the end of that phase is idaji. Without diacritics, it's also the word for half-idaji. However, the meaning of the word is with idaji, "self awaken".

6am is therefore first half of the day, we can back track from here to get what will be scientific first hour of the Yoruba typical day. That's 12 am. From this I think their time is accurate.

Awesome piece.

Just as you have rightly mentioned, Yoruba time begins in the evening,even if we look at the manner of when to and not bury human corpse which is always should be before a certain time to beginning of sunset. This has been erroneously mistaken to be copied from Islam. Thank God, Yoruba religion and way of life stand firm.

A001:
That's interesting.

Beauty to behold my dear. Yoruba tradition is absolutely non devilish. These does not mean there are no evil people using evil knowledge to hurt or do evil against human beings. But the Yoruba God is white (spotless) and ageless.

macof:
Nobody said anything about Hebrew Judah
You see "The French called it Juda" and the next thing is to bring up the kingdom of Judah

Grow up and read books, my dear . So the OOdéayé, Whydah didnt bother you but Judah's part is your problem ? Anyway, read books again to know how the name came to be acquainted with fact.

One of the reason British colonialists, other inquisitive Europeans came was to find the fairytale Hebrews who ought be as white as snow. So part of coming to West Africa was to identify ancient Hebrew.

Well, do you want to read the Ifaodu which posit yoruba have white ancestors or gave birth to some white descendants ?

Paradventure, I am wrong, then I owe you a 4eyed kolanut. What will you give if I am right nkọ ?

A001:
Interesting. What's the festival all about?

Is Ojo a deity (an orisa) in Yorubaland?

The Yoruba tradition acknowledge day of creation through Ògún.

RedboneSmith:
The German theory has a very big hole in it. First of all, it is inconceivable that the Catholic church would be associated with Germans, because the Germans were predominantly Protestant (Lutheran), and not Catholic.

The meaning of Aguda is not far-fetched. It derives from the name of the Dahmomeyan port city of Whydah. The French called it Juda and the Portuguese called it Ajuda. It was from the Portuguese version that Aguda was derived. There were a lot of Brazilian traders settled in Whydah/Ajuda in the 18th and especially 19th century. In fact, many of the quarters in the city were founded by Brazilians. Francisco Felix de Souza was the most famous Brazilian settler-trader in Whydah. His influence there was so great he was regarded as the father of the city. So Whydah/Ajuda became so closely associated with Brazilians that in time, people coming from Brazil became known as Aguda among the Yoruba. Many of them passed through Whydah before arriving at Yoruba ports, like Lagos.

Geesi is also probably derived from the Portuguese word for English, which is Ingles.

Whydah,Ouidah is not Judah in Abomey Kingdom. Far from it

The place was a place where the ealier settlers known as Yoruba discovered snake and it was corrupted from oodéayé to Ouida.

A time came when the earlier settlers were driven from there by the later settlement whom were fongbe group. The Abomey groups.

Out of mischievous act do the Europeans thought the place was named Judah which is a tracking name for ancient Hebrew .

Meanwhile, the name of Judah is wrongly spelt because the first alphabet "J" is actually "Y" which falls within "y" and "ee" sound in English language after transliteration.

The Aguda has Pre Brazilian connection with Yorubas, though cognate may either be true or false. There are names borne by Yorubas before contact with newer groups,inwhich some names goes extinct except through invocation or panegyrics.

absoluteSuccess:
Is it the dictionary from Bishop Ajayi Crowder?

That one is the oldest o, I learnt that the manuscript got burnt and the piece they were able to salvage is what becomes the dico.

The one you share before na yawa o. Thanks for looking into it, more grace.

Yes it is from Rev. Samuel Ajayi Crowther's account which was published in 1843, which his fellow Yoruba writers contributed to the compilation of the wider one in 1911. So, it is one of the best you can lay your hand.

The alternative one being used in scholarly reference is Abraham 1958 R. C. Abraham. Dictionary of Modern Yoruba. London: University of London Press.

In 1892, Rev. Lijàdù wrote Ẹ̀làà (hightone) which is another name for Ọ̀rúnmìẹ̀làà and you expect me to change it to Ọ̀rùnmìelà-Ọ̀rúnmìlà ? I won't do that sir.I follow the path of the older order because legendary fathers such Rev. E. M. Lijadu, Abímbọ́lá Wánde Abímbọ́lá (still alive) Adélékè Adéẹ̀kọ́(still alive) etc followed it.

The 19th Century Yorubas are even more sound in Yoruba language and its dictions than mid 20th and 21st century Yoruba scholars except those who keyed in to the past. So permit do things the way my ancient ancestors did when it was well with them in the era of Alara, Arẹsà, Olúgbọn.... And not write like a foreigner to my accent.

absoluteSuccess:
Both are homophones to some extent in that they have exactly the same spellings. But proper homophones occur when you have ambiguity. Ìgbá and igba are not ambiguity, they are homophones.

Let's assign the term homophones loosely to words with the same pronunciations but different meaning, Yoruba for garden egg and Calabash for example.

Let's ascribe ambiguity to words that is the exactly the same sound but used differently, like "saw" mill and "saw" meal, that would give us perfect ambiguity.

Now let's demonstrate it "iya n ro omo re", that "ro" is an ambiguity, even if you read me right, it takes me to tell you exactly what I mean. If I leave it the way it is, you can't tell what I mean.

I could say, the woman is force-feeding her child, the woman is encouraging her child, the woman is leaning on her child, the woman is de-radicalising her child. Thus "ro" is ambiguity.


Let's simplify the rhythm

Diacritics is as simple as abc, doremi, ajoke, good. So, the closest to the rhythm, doremi in our igba is remi, joke, igbá. So, Calabash rhymes in diacritics with Joke.

On the other hand, igba, (garden egg) also called ikan (not ikan o, termite, no. And not short for one) goes with Domi, Saka, ìgbá, baba, oga, Egbon, boda, efo, Oyo. These have the same rhymes.



Bro, you don't just have to stress the readers. You can't write ìgbá like that as long as you are not the one who adopted the Latin alphabets for Yoruba.

You follow Akoto ede Yoruba, don't be a spoilt brat ooo just obey the diction rules once and for all, it's very easy, practice music and rhyming similar sounds.

If you want to proof your diction as the agbedegbeyo, substitute the middle à for ' but still, such effect is unnecessary stress and new confusion is created. So it's better to go with the Yoruba rule of diction.



Abidi is mimimi, rise, rise, rise. Abd olope. Don't stretch any Yoruba vowel sounds, it's uncalled for, it's a needless effort. Except in aha, haa, or where two words join with the same vowel at the last and first of a conjoined word, e.g., alaagbaa.

Even the Yoruba will compress it to ala'gba, you can't possibly be caught trying to spell every sound you come across to your readers. You will get them tired of reading your fine ideas.



The one I saw in your last post is the work of an indomie generation typist who typed for people who produced a dictionary that is not vetted by a professional or even a Yoruba reader before it went to press.

Take time to repeat the tonisofa, you don't just have ear for beats but you can learn it. I don't too, but Yoruba language has been my favorite subject from childhood.

We keep learning till we die.

Happy weekend boss.

Anyway thanks. But the dictonary is not an Idomie one o .. I shall send the cover page but it will be sent to later. It is one of the oldest written Dictionary in Yorubaland. The first advance publication was done 1911-1913.


Secondly, the Abidi I actually made reference to was the mid tone "A", and not all the abidi samples.


Cheers

rhektor:
Àmì is not àmi

Àmì = Mark, sign etc
Àmi? I don't know what this means as it does not sound intelligible to any Yorùbá speaker, anywhere
You keep bursting yourself
Àmì = do-do (low-low tone)
Àmi = do-re (lọ-mid tone)
Guy go and show this to any Yorùbá teacher and come here to tell us what they say to you

Lmaoo. Post a dictionary to aid your view and stop being an encyclopaedia because you are not. It is that simple..

Congratulation Bàbá ooooo on the celebration of ọlọ́jo day. May You reign long enough laṣẹ́ èdù

ẹ́Ògún, the one who created the path for light to appear which falls on Saturday 25th August 2021.

And this is the day Aarẹ crown is used to celebrate Ògún the lord of the day which coincide as the day path for light was created.