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Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 2:32pm On Feb 05, 2020

Obalufon:
Clap for educated monkey .. All you know is grammar, Vascular Dementia again.. ..You pride your self with the stupid junks you filled your mind with Mr know all..soon you will realize that all the rubbish you've accumulated in your small brain means nothing ..

Don't mind the Bantu macof. It is obvious, he is not a Yoruba man with known ancestry but looking for cheap popularity. Even at it, a Yoruba descendant who is maternally linked bloodline are welcome to Yoruba fold any day anytime although the one who intend selling our identity with Bantus need be dealt with intellectually and corrected. In all the gloey of the Bantu language, it is even not closely related to Yoruba language ,talkless of Semitic languge of Ancient Hebrew. As far as I am concerned, he is not worth the stress.

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Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 8:53am On Feb 05, 2020

absoluteSuccess:
This logic is the proof of intelligence quotient of a self acclaimed professional. You are not good enough for the brief. How can a content be the same thing as it's container?

Your worldview is"walled". You have no scientific turn of mind. Your bias is turned scientific.

When you earlier claimed you don't accept the 18th century sociological classification of man, why use it when it's convenient for you?

Here, this abstract sense of judgement implies that the container is also the identity of the content, a dispersible content that got stuck to it's container without a force of cohesion beat scientific explanation.

Characteristics of the animals that made up the biosphere is migratory, this differentiate them from the characteristics of the lithosphere around them. You have education that stinks. People are not the land they now lives in.

Whatever mesmerizim you might come up with, the people and the continent are not the same, and your answer here shows that you don't see a difference just before now. That's your limit, not scientific limit.

Your answer questions your own intelligence and exposes the limit of your thinking. You can't go beyond the contexts you have at hand. You have no idea what makes the content. You are a contextual thinker.

Of course you are on a "proxy intelligence" man, you have names of people who think for you, all great scholars. Yours is just to post their names here as "facts" or "evidence of accuracy". from whatever reference source or metatags.

That settles it.

Since you have been on this site, you never corrected any wrongly interpreted Yoruba word. You rather ridicule the entire post and get off scrutiny.

Nobody will ever notice your lack of comprehension, since the job has already been done for you by your opponent in a bid to make his point.

You budlerize the opportunity you have to make a correction in the post above after quoting everything I wrote. No correction or diversion to alternative interpretations as valid arguments.

This game proves you are not whom you claim you are, you are a fake Yoruba.

Your ilks is described in Ifa as "afounpamo nii Sami ona"

If I have to be the one to tell you to do the needful to correct me, you will mesmerize the readers with your smart games and we go on a wild goose chase again and one get completely off track.

But that game exposed that you don't have a Yoruba background. You never used any argument that you employ Yoruba proverb or worldview, only "professional arguments".

Macof's declaration of cover

This means that you are a "professional Yoruba" rather than an indeginous Yoruba. Your permanent "I'm Yoruba, and right after my name Yoruba is my only identity" is a declaration of "cover" to have a mental effect on the reader to avoid questioning your origin.

Next, the other cover is "Ekiti" and you almost blow your cover where you said "we Ekiti are so many that I don't know there's Omuo Ekiti"

Now the fellow who asked you, "guy are you Yoruba" is here on this thread. Did she got an answer to that question years back? No, then you have two Yoruba cover, no Yoruba "background".

Fact plus fact equals more facts. Not new mystery when you have given us the first fact when we never asked for it. The fact that you are Yoruba by identity is already explosive of your "background", so why 'cover' when you are asked?

Now if no "inconsequential native intelligence" trace you back to whom you "boldly" claim you are, then you have an alibi to hide your background, that exposes your cover further.

Your declaration would have been unnecessary if you are whom you claim to be, as 'source criticism' that applies on literariness demand, except it has something to do with your profession or brief.

This means you are here on a mission to saturate the target with a predesigned program. And the "cover" is to camouflage your true identity wherever you go on your mission.

Sanitizing the target with impunity from an enduring attachment to it's local contents of a sense of history, I believe that's what you are here for primarily, hence neurotic words are more prominent in your feedbacks.

You can never be attached to the sense of a background that you don't have. But you can have or exploit a familiar or colonial right to claim to be an insider.

Who sent you?

No wonder, he flips from one angle to another without having anything fundamentally relevant to address on the issue that,he always counter well established fact at researchers have within their fold that there were large group of people who were immigrants.

As far as I am, he is a an assimilated Yoruba man. He is probably an Igodomigodo lineage,whose ancestors came to learn Yoruba through service as a votary . This is what he uses as a defense line as if he is even an initiate. And it is obvious he is a liar because, he has never even mentioned anything on ifaodu corpus. I guess it is high time one needs neglect this guy because he is the real fraud!

Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 6:56am On Feb 05, 2020*

macof:
Burns 1972 and Folorunso 2009 are supposed to mean what?
You have started reading a few articles and have made notice of the way references are made in the argumentative section of papers but you most likely don't consider the fact that references are further stated in full details in the bibliography where they can be examined

Good that you have actually started making references and you now read unlike months ago.
But I need to confirm that the two references you just made exist and know exactly what they talk about. so provide the full details
Because just as you did for Suzanne Blier's article and many others, you make references without actually understanding what the articles are saying

Burns, Sussan Blier, Conton, Akinjogbin, Akinkiitan, Sabiru Biobaku, Lucas, Aderibigbe, Folorunsho, Al Ilori, Beier etc are authors that agreed, there were some people who subdued the local to form a bond through their expanded civilization.

Interestingly, it is obvious you're not well read a d being online has exposed your weakness,with the pride of claims that you introduced me to Sussan Blier ? I just can't imagine this your inconstancies. Obviously, you forget things easily but let me remind you of your shock om Yoruba language, when you intended to disprove the fact that Odudua and group came with tbeir culture and language. As ignorant as you're, some of the above mentioned authors, writers specified this same information.

Apparently, when one is without defense, he/she look at irrelevant statement to hide behind. But , you have no where to run to until, I see scholarly references as you supposedly claimed Susan Blier, and others, will do cross exmaination on the identities of these Yoruba emigrants, which she did! grin

Please, can you teach how written book is arranged according to it contents on ethnography, because you are remotely more professional than some of us ? grin

olodo at his highest order, forming ego!

Lastly, so if one say Distant Yoruba branch family meant the people Yoruba subdued were Yoruba historically ? It is certain you didn't understand clearly, what has been stated earlier by some authored books, which I had referenced about wave of migration to the present Yoruba land by different people but submerged with the most powerful group that came with even multiple twin birth,which was never in existence in the part that is named IleIfe by these immigrants Lol. grin

. Perhaps, Osun ,Ado, Ekiti, Igodomigodo, Nupe,Hausa land,Fulani, Oromo, Wollof, Amon, etc, was where Odua came from? If that is your claim, kindly furnish us with only lexical similarities to buttress your point to make the oral account encoded in Ifaodu more juicy. I know f ask you to do justice to Pictographs interpretation, you will run away from this platform, so let mebe lenient with you. cheesy

Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 12:20am On Feb 05, 2020

macof:
Stick to the issue raised by the post you are quoting and stop ranting and going off like a loose cannon.

Most of what you are saying here is irrelevant to the topic ie. Human origins? We are talking Yoruba origin, not Homo erectus... Then another interesting one : admixture in Colombia.. Ehn "transatlantic slavery" from the 15th to 19th century is your clue to Yoruba origin? And since when did Colombia become Israel
Don't mix up chronology and geography and confuse yourself

And some I have already addressed in the past like you bringing words from your Hebrew book and trying to pass them off as cognates of yoruba words with similar spellings... I trashed that

Seems like you just mentioning books and authors again without actually knowing or understanding what on earth the book is talking about

How's it irrelevant ? grin

Caught in the act!
Lol! I thought you will post something of significance to null the references but you did as usual,with your predictable disappointment because you basically have no understanding of how I came up with evidences to damn your little knowledge.Without any iota of doubt, you are lost intellectually on this platform because nothing tangible to add can be pointed at your direction.

Contrary to your pseudo information, I have explained it times without number that written books by renowned scholars accept that Yoruba are emigrants, which is the reason, I posit once more that no language in the world is without an origin. ‘The origin may be from where it is being spoken or near it ' . The language spoken may change from the origin but still, there must be traces or elements of this origin in it that will show emergence of this language from this source. This is what happened in the Arabic diffusion of Arabic, Egyptian Coptic language and Classic Hebrew etc, to Yoruba Language either by borrowing or historical connections historical connection, Burns (1972: p. 120) explains that before the first settlers of Yoruba stock at Ile-Ife led by Oduduwa, there was a black tribe called Negro, which was small in number but these emigrants (The Yoruba) later dominated this tribe with their ‘language and culture'. grin

Furthermore, Folorunso Says, (2009: p. 16) that it is of the opinion that the origin of the Yoruba people remains uncertain, that no definite knowledge has emerged. He explains that the general trend of theories on it are based on Yoruba oral traditions that of a possible origin in the East especially from the Arab according to history on one side. The other side is that they came from Egypt because of similarities of culture, religious observances, works of arts and burial between the Yoruba race and ancient Egypt. This assertion made some scholars concluded that they migrated from the Upper Nile of Egypt.

Therefore, I understand you if you're trying to save face by accusing me of deviation, when infact, you're the one who deviated,when you claimed that Yoruba couldn't have come as migrants into this land called ‘Niger Area' but shockingly to your dismay, I have posted 19th century, early 20th century and 21st century writers( Yorubas and non Yorubas) , who agreed that some large foreigners/ migrants, invaded and suppressed some minutes people ,in which the aborigines identity were made to conform, with the new powerful group's identity . Meanwhile, I have loads of information at my disposals which I posted minute out of it to silenced your baseless criticism. The point is migration of people and intermingling is time immemorial.

Note:
Go get books to educate yourself.

Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 1:13pm On Feb 04, 2020

Obalufon:
Mr Olu you need to educate this macof bantu guy ...Senegalese are aboriginal people of north Africa and Egypt before they were driven south by Turks and Arabs ... Macof needs to read books by Anta diop ...Mediterranean SPAIN ,ITALY ,PORTUGAL have Senegalese DNA admixture even some Cases in northern Europe .. Hausa Sudanic Origin ,,,Bornu obviously Arabic and cushite Origin .Dogon Ancient Egyptian...Yoruba ??

....Lol.Though authentic information is what we deserve here even if we disagreed on certain principles but for a guy who fails to see serious researchers with written account but still remained blinded by ego need chastisement which is the reason, I am like you who look at every possibilities of who were Yoruba ancestors with a classic Art work,religion, ethnography and their ideograms to understanding who where exactly did these ancestors came from before they arrived in Nigeria and their intermingling aborigines through infusion of the aborigines, in such a way that the identity of the foreigners who arrived seems plausible because they came with a unique civilization.

macof is apparently inconsistent with his pseudo archaic information because he seems to love falsified information as been propagated sometimes online, in such manner that people etymologize Yoruba names and history wrongfully.

On the issue of Yoruba and the traces with dead Coptic Egyptian language , Theophile Obenga did some research work on it in his book , ‘Ancient Egyptian and Modern Yoruba' : Phonetic Regularity

Furthermore, Conton says, ‘The Yoruba of Nigeria are believed by many modern historians to be descended from a people who were living on the banks of the Nile 2,000 years ago, and who were at the time in close contact with the Egyptians and the Jews. Sometime before AD 600, if this belief is correct, this people must have left their fertile lands, for reasons which we can not now discover and have joined in the ceaseless movement of tribes west wards and south-wards across our continent'.

Aderibigbe, an indigenous scholar, also accepts that the Yorubas migrated from Egypt. He says:
The general trend of these theories, most of them based on Yoruba traditions, is that of a possible origin from the east. Some scholars, impressed by the similarities between Yoruba and ancient Egyptian culture religious observation, works of art, burial and other customs speak of a possible migration of the ancestors of the Yoruba from the upper Nile (as early as 2000BC 1000BC) as a result of some upheavals in ancient Egypt. (AB ADERIBIGBE 1976).

Olumide J. Lucas, who believed that the Yoruba, during antiquity, lived in ancient Egypt before migrating to the Atlantic coast. He uses as demonstration the similarity or identity of languages, religious beliefs, customs and names of persons, places and things. In addition, many ancient papyri discovered by archaeologists point at an Egyptian origin.

Tariqh Sawandi: Yorubic medicine: The Art of divine herbology; online article. To buttress this view on the Yoruba connection with Egypt herbology. Tariqh Sawandi says,‘The Yoruba history begins with the migration of an east African population across the trans-African route leading from Mid-Nile river area to the Mid-Niger.

Ademoyega commented that the Ekiti section of the Yorubas must have migrated to their present area around 638AD when the Muslims took over Egypt and forced some of the Yoruba people to migrate to their present area.According to M. Omoleya, he says, that the Nigerian region was inhabited more than forty thousand years ago, or as far back as 65,000BC. During this period, the Nok culture occupied the region. The Nok culture was visited by the Yoruba people, between 2000BC and 500BC . In fact, the Opa Oranmiyan is an inscription in middle-eastern letters that archeologists have accepted as corresponding in sound to ‘Oranmiyan'. Fatunbi, commenting on the Oranmiyan obelisk writes, ‘There is the image of a trident made iron spikes on the obelisk,' but Williams and their 1998 article do not pay much attention to the nail design on the obelisk, they just write one side of the staff are some faded carving in explicably there are some nails driven into it and it is glaring that there are discrepancies in observations of Dennett and Johnson Oranmiyan obelisk. The total numbers of nails seen on Oranmiyan obelisk by both of them do not tally apart from fact that where Dennett sees ‘horn and Johnson sees ', ‘ancient characters'- Resh Yod. The fact that one sees horn and axe the other sees “ancient characters” does mean that the characters engraved on the Opa Oranmiyan are not hieroglyphs – but Resh and Yod. Also commenting on one of the characteristics of hieroglyph writings Siculus writes:
Now it is found that the forms of their take the shape of animals of every kind, the members of the human body, a implements and especially carpenters’ tool their writing does not express the int concept by means of syllables joined to another, but by means of the significance objects which have been copied and figurative meaning which has been improve upon the memory by practice.

Hieroglyphs is associated with Egyptians writing while Resh and Yod is associated with Classic Hebrew writing of Semitic origin. Obviously, migration, intermarriages has always been the path yoruba ancestors followed wihile looking for safety, herbs, greener pasture or evading war,which are coded in ifaodu dictates.

Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 9:30am On Feb 04, 2020

macof:
Man if we go by this crazy people's logic, Yoruba might as well be native American, Hebrew, Chinese, Persian, German, Viking.. You name it
All at once

Anything but African

I knew it as usual, you will never learn because you're intellectually shallow minded, which has made me to silence you on this platform with my view and written books to back my information.Unfortunately, you hardly give any references to support you kangaroo approach. Little do your type know, some of us are actually specialist in what we profess on this platform. So, let me teach you more since you are a stiffneck individual. As it is a fundamental part in Human history that it, is filled with adventurism , migration for greener pastures, exploration and conquest which has been ageless as a result of human development. So go read:

a.The Idea of Human Prehistory: the Natural Sciences, the Human Sciences, and the Problem of Human Origins in Victorian Britain Matthew R. Goodrum

b. Lower egyptian communities and their interactions with southern Levant in the 4th miLLennium Bc

c. NEBUCHADNEZZAR'S CONQUEST OF EGYPT, CONFIRMED FROM A CONTEMPORARY HIEROGLYPHIC INSCRIPTION.

Secondly, Cognate either true or false in any language in the world does not change its tradition from its birth to its death. Greek language, with its many dialects, through time and space, since the Mycenean idiom, will always remain Greek, and never some other language like Phoenician or Latin. Likewise, Yoruba has been always been Yoruba since the remote past. If Yoruba, Ancient Egyptian pharaonic language,Semitic languages show close sound correspondences in them, then , it means that the these languages are genetically related. Indeed, Phonetic laws and sound correspondences have exceptions, but their help is very crucial in eliminating false etymologies and dubitable reconstructions. For example Greek theos, “god”, and Latin deus, “god”, seem to be very similar, therefore related, and developed from a common predialectal stock( Theophile Obeng).

Thirdly,go pick up written biography of these two Yoruba men :
a. Rabbi Arnold Josiah Ford: A ‘Moses to His People By Rabbi Sholomo B. Levy

b. Biography of Rabbi W.A. Matthew By Rabbi Sholomo Ben Levy, to understand one out of a thousand reasons that made me understudy classic Hebrew, which I find interesting as well as revealing.

Fourthly, admixture in humanity has always been immemorial so, it is not new even as it is seen in centuries before now and today's world. Kindly go educate yourself with:

a. ‘Ancient and recent admixture layers in Sicily and Southern Italy trace multiple migration routes along the Mediterranean'

b. ‘Neolithization of North Africa involved the migration of people from both the Levant

c. Genetic evidence for an origin of the Armenians from Bronze Age mixing of multiple populations

d. Comparative Analysis of Genetic Ancestry and Admixture in the Colombian Populations of Chocó and Medellín .

Perhaps ,from the above information, more value will be added to the little knowledge have, so that people who surf this platform will see your weakness as a lazy scholar ! grin

Culture › Re: A Yoruba Poem- Ise Logun Ise (work Is The Antidote For Poverty) by Olu317(m): 7:44pm On Feb 03, 2020

obasolape:
Ise ni ogun `se
Mura si ise ore mi
Ise ni afi ndeni giga
Bi ako ba reni fehinti
Bi ole la a ri
Bi a ko ba reni gbekele
A tera mose eni
Iya re le lowo lowo
Baba re si le leshin le kan
Bi o ba gboju le won
O te tan ni mo so fun o
Ohun ti a ko ba jiya fun
Se kii le tojo
Ohun ti a ba fara sise fun
Ni npe lowo eni
Apa lara
Igunpa ni iye kan
Bi aiye ba nfe o loni
Ti o balowo lowo
Won a ma fe o lola
Jeki o wa ni ipo atata
Aiye a ma ye o si terin-terin
Jeki o deni rago
Ko o ri bi aiye ti nyinmu si o
Eko si tun seni doga
Mura ki o ko dara-dara
Iya nbo fomo ti ko gbon
Ekun mbe fomo ti o nsa kiri
Ma fowuro sere ore mi
Mura si ise ojo nlo.

Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 5:23pm On Feb 03, 2020

Obalufon:
All you know is big grammar . you are not giving any fact to buttress your point here ...That is reason i want to know why is hard for you to believe middle asian migrated into yorubaland .If Europe could have indo Aryan migration from India ,why do you think is impossible for Hebrew to migrate here...Who are the ,beriberi ..bariba, senegal, hausa ,fulani soninke,dogon, bornu...

Yoruba language is : Classic Hebrew's language+ Arabic's language+ extremely minute Bantu's language.

Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 2:19pm On Feb 02, 2020

macof:
Why are you running away from the text from Suzanne Blier's article and its implications for your claims?
Clown. Imagine posting an article as if it defends any of your claims
Ah! These guys are criminal minded to the bone

Contest anything I posted with references ?

Culture › Re: Iyawo-wife The Original Yoruba Word For Wife Is Aya by Olu317(m): 2:17pm On Feb 02, 2020

Empredboy:
The Original Yoruba Word For Wife Is Aya
Not Iyawo.
Did you know that the original word for
wife in Yoruba language is AYA and not
IYAWO? The latter is quite commonly used
nowadays than the former. I would take you
through how Iyawo came about;
Wura who was at the phase of choosing a
spouse was faced with the task of selecting
the most suitable one for herself, she was
the first child and the daughter of the King
of Iwo (A Yoruba town)
Yoruba deities like Sango, Ogun, and other
known male deities went to Iwo to seek her
hand in marriage. Wura mistreated them,
Wura was very rude and uncouth. She
meted the worst behaviour one can think of
onto her suitors.
Everyone of them failed to accomplish the
prospect of marrying her because they
could not withstand her behaviour, they all
abandoned their mission on their first day,
that was how tough Wura was. However,
when it was Orunmila's turn, before he set
for Iwo, he sought wisdom from Olodumare
through Ifa. He was duly informed that no
matter the treatment Wura might subject
him to, he must not react accordingly, he
should have patience and lots of endurance.
He was highly warned to expect humiliation
from Wura but must not be provoked.
When Orunmila got to Iwo, Wura looked at
him scornfully, she did not welcome him,
she hissed at him, called Orunmila all sorts
of
name, she did not even give Orunmila any
food or entertained him. Orunmila just
ignored her attitudes. The first day, second
day, till about the seventh day. To cap it all,
Wura took Orunmila's Opon-Ifa [divination
board] and used it as firewood, she took
Orunmila's Pouch [Apo Ominijekun] from
him. This angered Orunmila greatly but he
still conducted himself alright. he refused to
react to her behaviour having been warned
the consequences of not heeding advice.
In the long run, the King noticed that
Orunmila was humble and well behaved, he
was amazed that Orunmila did not react or
show any sign of anger towards his
daughter despite the humiliation. Orunmila's
behaviour gave him the assurance that he
would take good care of Wura his daughter
if she became his wife. All along,
unknowingly, Wura's behaviour had been a
test for all the prospective suitors. The King
eventually summoned Orunmila and handed
Wura over to him as his wife and he divided
his property into two. He gave Orunmila half
of it, Orunmila thus became rich and had
Wura as his wife
Upon Orunmila's arrival back home, his
people welcomed him enthusiastically for
his accomplished task, they asked for some
details of his new wife, his answer was
direct: Iya-ti-mo-je- ni-Iwo (the result of my
indignation at Iwo town). Th is eight syllable
word, "Iya-ti-mo-je- ni-Iwo" became known
as Iya-Iwo, and now Iyawo.

Culture › Re: Iyawo-wife The Original Yoruba Word For Wife Is Aya by Olu317(m): 2:13pm On Feb 02, 2020

Intrepid01:
Hmmm..if this true...it's interesting.

It is 100% true.

Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 2:06pm On Feb 02, 2020

macof:
. A pity there is such a human being as unintelligent and lacking in the very basic of comprehension skills as yourself

What is wrong with middle eastern migration into Yorùbáland is same as what is wrong with talking about East Asian migration into Yorùbáland
No evidence! No basis by which this claims can stand

I am not here to discuss 18th century flawed racial classification

Nowhere have I stated the Yoruba have a bantu origin, you keep saying I do but probably just your crazy mind conjuring illusions

You're always without sense of fact. Proof yourself with written works to contradict the reality that there people that came together as Yoruba are one stock. Olodo. Abibu Oluiwa came from Ilorin as one of the pioneer of Sakara music originators. Please let this mumuship stop because Ilorin as a Yoruba land isn't different from Ileife. Kindly Google who and who are Ilorin indigenous people and who came to settled down in late 17th century and early 18th century ? Olodo forming intellectual! grin

Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 1:58pm On Feb 02, 2020

macof:
you are damned slowpoke man
You don't even know how you go totally off the point

Defend what I posted cheesy

. Instead, vulgar statement from you. grin

I caught you with facts.

Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 6:01am On Feb 02, 2020

Depicting Near East Art work

Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 5:57am On Feb 02, 2020

Levant

Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 5:56am On Feb 02, 2020

Levants

Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 5:55am On Feb 02, 2020

Ancient Levant

Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 5:16am On Feb 02, 2020

macof:
The post you woefully replied to. Your reply was utterly off topic
This is ultimately what you get when you didn't go to school

scholarly references. Oh Jeez
You just pulled that out of nowhere
This guy is a real clown

Oh lord have mercy! grin

. So, ‘ Scholarly references' has become off topic ? Lol... I rest my case with you.

Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 10:28pm On Feb 01, 2020

macof:
Smh. Still ranting without actually addressing the post

olodo lasan! What exactly do you want me to address again? ....Abeg stop quoting me anymore without scholarly references because you're intellectually dehydrated.

People like you are too proud to ever know the simplest thing on earth because of pride. A Yoruba man who place no value on his ancestor, is who you're. Mind you, the reality will catch up with lot like you. Perhaps, you ought begin to get acquainted with the glaring truth.

Note
For people who will see this in the future to know that you're an inconsistent person and know nothing tangible about Yoruba language's history, will see the screenshot below to adhere to the reality that Yoruba people are of Near East Origin .

Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 12:47pm On Feb 01, 2020

macof:
Please stick to the topic

This comment of yours is not a reply to my post at all

You are just ranting. Stick to addressing the post

Ever since you seem not to understand things easily but quickly to surf the web for information so as counter me ,which, make me see that you're bound to have problem with your quick approach. .Therefore, I intend to expose your lies because Social scientists have noted that certain parameters help to define individual or group identity. These parameters include religion, nationalism, ethnicity and language. They constitute in part or in whole, some of the processes involved in identity formation (Capozza & Brown 2000; Castells 2004). Studies have, however, shown that the parameters for defining identity are in a sense open-ended and context-based (Olojede 2008: cool

. Adetugbo (1973:182) states that, “The belief that is current among the Yorùbá is that they migrated to their present home from somewhere in the Middle East or Lower Egypt in different waves between the seventh and eleventh centuries A.D.” It is generally an either/or situation (e.g. Johnson’s Egypt/Nubia and Biobaku’s Egypt/beyond theories).

Therefore the migration narratives will therefore be considered in the light of the elements of identity formation, in which Talbot (1926) and even Johnson, who after disputing the Mecca theory, argues that the Yorùbá probably emigrated from Upper Egypt to Ilé-Ife. His evidence includes the sculptures known as Ife marbles and the ‘Phoenician’ characters on opá rànmíyàn, an ancient granite obelisk over 18ft high at If (Johnson 1921:6). In addition to this, various other traditions claim that the Yorùbá originated from the east of the Niger (cf. Bowen 1968:266), from the Sudan, parts of Asia (cf. Lucas 1948:15), from across a big river (Beier 1955b:19) or from a far country (Farrow 1926:21). Beier (1955a:26) also attempts to prove that the Nupe country was one of the stages of the Yorùbá migration. Karin Barber also who remarked that, ‘origin is the foundation of identity (1991:136)'. Thus, for the Yorùbá, who speak a common language (with many variants), the traditions of common origin function as a symbol of identity and the two elements common to the traditions of origin and the migration theories above are Ile-Ife and Odùdùwà( funlola olojede)

1. Oduduwa was foreign to Ilé-Ifè ?

Answer:

a. There was no Ileife before the arrivalof these foreigners because, On historical connection, Burns (1972: p. 120) explains that before the first settlers of Yoruba stock at Ile-Ife led by Oduduwa, there was a black tribe called Negro, which was small in number but these emigrants (The Yoruba) later dominated this tribe with their language and culture.

b. It has been stated times without numbers that Oduduwa migration, is the best known in tradition. It arose from the pressure which the incursion of the Arabs into the Sudan exercised upon remnants of the Yoruba and must have taken place towards the end of the 10th century A.D. The people who resisted all-conquering Islam found a great leader in Oduduwa (a leader later deified in tradition) and left their homes in search of a place where they could practise their traditional religion in safety ( THE PATTERN OF YORUBA HISTORY by Sabiru Biobaku. p.64,65).

c. Even among present-day scholars of Yoruba religion such as Idowu (p. 23) and Awolalu (p. 27) see the city of Ileife as developing its political and religious primacy as a result of the arrival of a militarily powerful group of foreigners who were part of a distant branch of the Yoruba people. Unfortunately the name of the leader of this group is not known, because in the accounts his identity is subsumed by that of his patron deity, Odudua. At the time of the arrival of this outsider and his party, Ife was occupied by an indigenous people who were under the leadership of a hunter named Ore (Oreluere). Not surprisingly, the original inhabitants of Ife do not appear to have supported this foreigner, ‘Odudua,' in his attempts to gain control of the city. This foreign ruler was, however, by all accounts a strong and politically effective leader.

2. Ife had people already settled and established

Answer:
a. Yes, (Abimbola p.c., Lawal p.c., Awolalu 1979:26).These Ife area had autochthonous families, many of whom were forced out of the city by members of the new Odudua dynasty.(Art Bulletin by Susan Blier).

3. Oduduwa and his party married into the local population

Answer:
Yes, they did married local women.In Art Bulletin, Susan Blier says ‘Not surprisingly, the orig- inal inhabitants of Ife do not appear to have supported this foreigner, "Odudua," in his attempts to gain control of the city. This foreign ruler was, however, by all accounts a strong and politically effective leader. One of his most important decisions was to establish a series of marriage alliances with the local populace. Accordingly, both he and his party mar- ried indigenous women "of the land," in order to create a new generation of Ife residents who, in Idowu's words (p. 24), "... . would be at home in both worlds . . . people who were without bitterness towards either of the opposing parties." In the course of these marriages, the new ruler fa- thered a number of children, many of whom eventually set out to found their own dynasties in other Yoruba states.

Note:
Henceforth, if you support your information with both local and foreign (western) scholarly reference, then don't quote me again because you are intellectually inconsistent.

Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 4:48pm On Jan 31, 2020

macof:
I know you are retarded and I don't expect you to think analytically but for the sake of others I will say this here

When you read a historical text, you think of its implications and you ask yourself "what exactly is this text trying to teach" before posting it as if it buttresses your point

From the excerpt a few things can be noted but the points relevant to this discussion are
1. Oduduwa was foreign to Ilé-Ifè
2. Ife had people already settled and established
3. Oduduwa and his party married into the local population

Now comparing the text to your assertions and claims of yoruba origin
1. where in this text does it remotely imply that oduduwa spoke a foreign language or that he imposed his language on the ife people?
2. Where in the text is it remotely implied that oduduwa was a semitic man from the middle East?
3. Where in this excerpt is Oduduwa's origin even mentioned? For all we know oduduwa could have come from another Yoruba settlement outside Ife
(which btw, is actually the case)

I will post a picture of the entire page you quoted from.
You left this out
"... The City developing it's political and religious primacy as a result of the arrival of a militarily powerful group of foreigners who were part of a distant branch of the Yoruba people. Unfortunately the name of the leader of this group is not known, because in the accounts his identity is subsumed by that of his patron deity, Oduduwa"

What are the implications of this excerpt and the entire article to your general claims?

It's actually funny though because I remember introducing you to Suzanne Blier as one of the top figures of yoruba art history only for you to say a white woman cannot know Yoruba history

Slow indeed! grin

and as usual no better way to posit view but assumption; olodo grin

. I know you will fall for this trap because of the following reasons:

1. The Yoruba language does not exist in West Africans lexicons and it has been established that the language of Africa is unguardedly lumped together, which the origin is established by By JOSEPH H. GKEENBERG: THE CLASSIFICATION OF AFRICAN LANGUAGES,and buttress by Al Ilori and I that it is a Semitic language for the reason being that Baalé, Ara, Oba, ba,Aba,Baba, la/lo(law), Mobo,bo,kara,sanra etc dont exist in other than the language of the teacher's language of Semitic origin as English language is in modern day Nigeria which is spoken by Yorubas only. grin

2. The 11th,12th, Yoruba ancestors sculpture on human's copper heads or terracotta heads, of ram's head work didn't exist in West Africa even up till date. Later works on were basically West Africa

3. Solely bloodline based on kingly and not priests lineage can rule as established by Ooni; Oshin.

4. In fact, it was one the written evidence that the original ancestor name is not know

5. That are are people who don't use facial Marks are new people who took over the place they now called Ileife.

6. That the Opa Oranmiyan written ideograms can't be interpreted but scholars maintained that Yod and resh are identified with the Ivory

7. That there is no proof within the same Yoruba enclave of distance place of origin can be identified with the place of the foreign Yoruba distance family apart from Oyo Ile that he came from. And Oyo ile was founded by who ?

8. That Opa Ogun obelisk also exist as considered as having its origin in near east because the close cognate and all the attributes adduce to the name exist in Near East. grin

9.That the name of Hebrew God is the same as God in Yoruba's God

10. That it is established that these same different Group of Yorubas married the local to be part of they to be accepted as part of them

11. That Ora and the Yoruba language of Ifaodu place of origin can't be pinned down because the true place of origin is lost.

12. That even a well known professor ,known as Professor Saburi Biobaku( as a Dr. , then ) , authored a book : PATTERN OF YORUBA HISTORY, affirmed that the origin of Yoruba were claimed to be from Near East grin

. So, Oga,stop this your pathetic woe,because I know Susan Blier before your assumption of introducing her to me or whatever cheap popularity you dim fit to achieve because her interpretation of the excavated heads are not in conformity with What some of those heads meant.

Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 2:34pm On Jan 31, 2020

tpiar:
What's the name of the book?

I haven't gone through your posts to know exactly where you mentioned sources.

Oral history of Odudua - is that a book or could you specify what you mean.

There are many book written on this from even Professor Sabiru Biobaku, when he was a Phd holder. Even, ‘Ileife, The birth place of Yoruba by Sussan Blier. So also, Kings, Crowns, and Rights of Succession: Obalufon Arts at Ife and Other Yoruba Centers Suzanne Preston Blier.
Download the pdf to get a glimpse of these knowledge.

Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 2:29pm On Jan 31, 2020

tpiar:
I haven't been on the Yoruba herbal group on nl, does that mean I'm not Yoruba.

Ok, let me think about joining them before they herbal me.

I didn't mentioned as regard this herbal group stuff but the man who kept saying some of us are not grounded in Yoruba knowledge or Yoruba Court! Bro, it is a choice to join on your path but to a man who sees himself as having knowledge more than everyone else on this platform,without a even understanding Semitic language,which he bitterly contexts against is calles who ? Help me explain to him that once one has no knowledge as he is and as you too,then no need to make noise on it. Instead, such should study to understand, rather making mockery of self.

Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 2:11pm On Jan 31, 2020*

tpiar:
People keep saying assimilation, I have not seen any evidence of unknown assimilation, do you actually have facts about this? At most, it seems like speculation.

Anything unknown must have been introduced or merged outside of recent memory which would mean two or more centuries ago, give or take some years.

I have posted a book written by Susan Blier, who's a Professor in Harvard University. So,there is no reason to disregard the bitter truth. In fact, She is a renowned African historian. Kindly download her books on oral history of Odudua and his group so that you can understand it.

If in doubt, look up the features of Oonis and facial feature which is a broad cheek , compressed nose,that was found in Sphinx of Egypt,who happened to be found in Ore groove shrine at Ileife.Besides, history has it that odudua and entourage came as a migrant and ursuper to established a kingly lineage that's built on bloodline. This is tenable in ancient culture found in Near East which a little of it happened in Egypt but never sustained. Perhaps,Kindly share if you have the same culture found in 11th century or Bc , prior to it in Egypt. I hope you will share with us any ethnic group with the same longest serving bloodline lineage as kings or Prince kings on the throne of Ooni or renowned Yoruba kings.

Modified!

Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 2:00pm On Jan 31, 2020

macof:
what nonsense is this? This doesn't even make any sense

Damn

"descendants of yoruba ancestors who assimilated into the Yoruba fold"

And you know all my ancestry by me not posting my oríkì . Less information is provides more imagination
Ignorant clowns with wild imaginations

And interesting to see how despite the incoherence, the discussion has shifted to imaginations on my ancestry than the Yoruba in general
This should be interesting

Show us your own oriki because many of us here have done so here .... grin

and stop eloping. After all you claimed to know Isese more than all of us, yet I have not seen you in any Yoruba herbal group on NL cheesy

Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 1:54pm On Jan 31, 2020

macof:
"Real ancestors of the Yoruba were migrants"
We've heard that from you lot for decades.

Proof of this migration is still in limbo and nowhere to be seen

Yes, they came with their language. Read from:

Kings, Crowns, and Rights of Succession: Obalufon Arts at Ife and Other Yoruba Centers Suzanne Preston Blier ....

She says, ‘Not surprisingly, the orig- inal inhabitants of Ife do not appear to have supported this foreigner, "Odudua," in his attempts to gain control of the city.20 This foreign ruler was, however, by all accounts a strong and politically effective leader. One of his most important decisions was to establish a series of marriage alliances with the local populace. Accordingly, both he and his party mar- ried indigenous women "of the land," in order to create a new generation of Ife residents who, in Idowu's words (p. 24), "... . would be at home in both worlds . . . people who were without bitterness towards either of the opposing parties." In the course of these marriages, the new ruler fa- thered a number of children, many of whom eventually set out to found their own dynasties in other Yoruba states. On "Odudua's" death, one of his sons, Obalufon I (Og- bogbodirin), succeeded him to the throne. Obalufon I's reign appears to have been beset with problems. Unlike his father, "Odudua," he was a weak ruler'.

Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 1:41pm On Jan 31, 2020

Obalufon:
Macof is definitely not yoruba he would be considered a brother if here were edo but if his ibo i don't dine with bantus

As far as I am concerned, he seems to be one of the fewest absorbed or assimilated descendant of some Yoruba ancestors who were assimilated into Yoruba fold. Perhaps,this is the reason, he has never posted his oriki( panegyric) for once,despite the fact he claims to be an Isese man with boastfulness grin

or he is just a myopic person. I sincerely intend he posts his oriki and see where he is from Ekiti to link him up with other Yorubas.

Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 1:31pm On Jan 31, 2020

Let me quickly add here, to expose further that the real ancestors of yoruba were migrants,which made it compelling for the effort of a panel led by Abidemi Babalola and Olarenwaju Lasis for this great fit on conservation of 14th century Yoruba Artefacts and other related excavations. Thus, a whooping 400,000$ has been granted to these men and the authors: Gerard Chouin, Adisa Ogunfolakan and Geoffroy Saulieu of the topreserve the Yoruba enclave over the discoveries, by some notable and hard working archeologists, and resechers who are bent on knowing the identity of Ancient Yorubas through excavation and preservation of Artefacts found in Ileife and environs.

Therefore, the ignorants who ought to ask right question , will not do so on this thread, instead, provision of scholarly proof to counter the research work being done by us that has more glaring information that has baffled the lighter skin Caucasians or Europeans,which made them keep investigating Yoruba history. And facts keep emerging that the owner and teachers language which is Yoruba language's foundational speakers are migrants.

Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 8:59am On Jan 31, 2020

Obalufon:
macof are you ibo or edo

. Lol

Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 9:01pm On Jan 30, 2020

Yes, the Bible mentioned Yoruba names and words in classic Hebrew. It is only ignornant and the ranting one like you that will naturally throw away glaring facts from the face of the earth.

Sometimes, I wonder if someone like you can actually learn anything simply because you're not knowledgeable on it . Instead, for you to ask right question, which can be meaningful to intellectual juxtaposition. No! Negative words are churn out of bitterness. grin

Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 8:50pm On Jan 30, 2020

absoluteSuccess:
I earlier took metaphysical suggestion on Ile Ife as Nineveh, but now I know better through research, bro. Ile Ife is in the land of Edom in Nabatean district, hence the claim that the Yoruba originated in Ile Ife was an ancient fact. the harmony was equally struct on my hometown claim that Ado is the melting point of Edo and Ife tradition. On this I wonder how two far-flung places could influence another community at the same time.

Now it becomes clear: there was an Ife where the Yoruba ancestors came from, which was a district of Edom, and was then under the empire of Israel. The original Ife was a departure point for the emigrants, the adoption of this name as the landing place of the Yoruba ancestors laid the foundation for the continual strife for seniority between the two houses as you have it today.

The original Ife was in a state of Edom, as such, the house of Edom will always claim to have foster Ile Ife, as it was in a foggy past lost to the Yoruba, hence the claim that Oduduwa came from Edo. This rival claim is derived from the fact that indeed, Oduduwa came from the district of Edom to found Ile Ife, in the company of the same folks, (such as edomites too) in a lost tradition we are trying to re-enact now.

Is there a tradition alluding to this? Edom is known as mount Seir, that's right. Albeit, that's anglicize rendition of Seri, from whence the Awori have their variant, Iseri: the earlier claim of Iseri being Israel holds, but the same word serves this two cognate masters as "the melting point of Ife-Edo tradition" so to say.

the ancient habour was the root for the name Ile Ife, but the state was known as Seir. the Yoruba tradition is valid and accurate on the path we are towing: facts does not expose itself so obvious, hence it would never have been an issue for discussion but a common knowledge. Albeit, l'owe l'owe laa lulu agidigbo, ologbon nii jo, omoran nii modie.

This is quite intriguing but the Edos isn't the same as you posited as Edomite. Interestingly, Ado,Edo,Ido,Medo etc has no link lexicologically, with Igodomigodo because, Yoruba language is quite exclusively different from the history of ancients Igodomigodo. Besides, Yoruba history begun in Oru ,which is known in Semitic history as Or/Oor through the pioneer ancestor known as Ebora(Abora), which is known in Semitic world as Ebram(Abram),through written ideograms.

Therefore, it important to know the implication of posting certain information here because of using English historical perspective isn't actually the best for the Hebrews and Yorubas, since we know that certain historical fact has been null through newer information. So, using 12th century invasion of Igodomigodo by Yoruba mercenaries led by Oranmiyan ,doesn't mean, Yoruba are originally related to Igodomigodo,which Urhobo, Ika, Afemai, etc, have their own historical account . In fact, the ancients Yoruba Kings facial and dress code are alien to West Africa, which I have posted on this platform, several times.

Culture › Re: Languages Spoken In Each Of The 36 States In Nigeria by Olu317(m): 12:47pm On Jan 23, 2020

nlPoster:
The essence of being a civilized adult is having the ability to discern what is necessary information and what isnt. Sifting through myriads of data and perceiving which ones are substance and what is contextually irrelevant.

Your post is entirely irresponsible and depraved and does not portray you in a good light because you ought to have known this piece of information you wrote has no relevance to anything at all and neither is it worth being verified or discredited as an ethnic slur.

Kindly desist from your evil and malevolent behaviour and show sense when you are here.

If you dont type (this), would the forum close down?

If you have breaking news of this sort, take it to a blog, it doesnt have to be on nl. Someone, cant remember who, once did that and while what he wrote about another tribe was very offensive and disturbing, at least he had the courtesy and consideration to not put it here.

Did I quote you ? Do you know how many Ika as group differs from one group to another ? historical oral account deniable ? Anyway, an ignorant can always be seen with fooly and you have abruptly displayed . If you find offence because people were killed in war times, then go hide in the cave because a preacher of the gospel was beheaded recently by some so called, Jihadists.

History has it that Ika as a group differs from one enclave group to another, which also exist as a part of Yoruba ethnic group who speak Yoruba language. Thus, false cognate could exist between the bearers such name .So, you being a young man and unstudied need not quote me since you have no knowledge on this and therefore, stop parading yourself as a good man on an account of over 400 years / 500 years ago, because you arent a moralist of sort .Hence, I mark your moniker and wont reply to you anytime soon. And stop quoting me because you derailed this post

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