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TAO12:
Lol.

Not only was Yoruba language the lingua franca in Benin Kingdom (as well as in many West African Kingdoms, e.g. Allada), the language of administration in the palace of Benin Kingdom was Yoruba language.

See attachment below from:

R.C.C. Law's "Ethnicity and the Slave Trade: "Lucumi" and "Nago" as Ethnonyms in West Africa", History in Africa, Vol. 24 (1997), p.209.

I am familiar with Allada, Ouidah , Akkasato, Abomey, Etoille, Calavi,in Bénin Republic because I have lived in that country, especially in Calavi environment but do travel or visit other places for some years. Yoruba language is found in their languages up till date thouvht pinch of and at times stretch of the language beyond recognition, amongst Fongbe, Ewe, Ogu,which were derived from Yoruba language speakers, who are the owner of the language.

Amujale:
Thank you very much for your investigations, kindly dont allow our criticism hault your efforts, peace and power, bless up!


I will keep saying that"

Much of your evidence is good and accurate, however your argument needs to be from the perspective of the African.


As in, noone is trying to prove superiority over othet people but to ascertain certain aspecst of history for all that its worth.

Was our language one of those used to invent this hybrid language outside of our concent?

We've heard these commentary by other reputable historians, they claim that the Hebrew language was invented out of a combination of various African languages.

When i read it the firsr time, the evidence was scanty, my initia thoughts was that to suggest that Yoruba appears in a Semiticsic language is simply , reaching.

It wasnt until our exchange and the evidence you present that i gain some interest.

Plus, there's new information that seemingly puts the Yoruba in the Nile Valley.

I want you to approach this from a secular historical perspective, dont attempt to use your evidence to justify any foreign extremist religion.

You job is to identify the interpollation of the Hebrew language as it refers to Yoruba and not to attempt at proving who are Hebrew.


The few things to consider are

L) Yoruba isnt the only language that exist with the Hebrew language.

M) Hebrew language is of no importance to the African.

As in, in this context, make certain to show in your write up the fact that Yoruba is the dominant language in your presentation.

N) The seeming interpolation must've occurred in the 1800's and onwards.

I don't think my argument ought be from African perspective only but from all angle that point to wherever Yoruba ancestors migrated from because there are people in Africa and in part of Asia whose perception of each colour contradict Yoruba's view.This simply show that, Yoruba doesn't necessary need be from Africa and can also be from Africa. Unfortunately, I haven't seen much of African influence on Yoruba's linguistic as such. Take for instance, Such Colour as ‘white' In China, is perceived as in many other societies (both pre-modern and modern), whiteness was (and is) as the colour of death and mourning.

This Similar traditions exist in South America and Africa (Chevalier and Gheerbrant 1996). Describing twentieth-century Kongo cosmology, MacGaffey (1994, p. 255) explains that the 'dead . . . contrast sharply with the living in some respects, one of which is that they are white in colour . . . This same whiteness, contrasting with the organic and domestic blackness of charcoal, appears in masks all over Central Africa'.Furthermore, A similar example is offered by Robert Harms (1981) in his study of identity constructions among the peoples of the central Zaire basin in the nineteenth century. Harms (p. 210) notes that, 'White people were . . . associated with spirits of dead ancestors . . . Indeed, Mpoto, the name generally taken to mean "the country where white people came from", actually means "the land of the dead" '.


In contrast to these worldview of somee of these culture, on white colour, the Yoruba cosmology associate white colour with creation, purity, holiness or transition to holiness, eternity. And this is seen amongst Semitic Hebrew group in Near East. Interestingly, Black is the colour of death, and mourning in Yoruba, which is opposition to Central Africa, and some other people in West Africa. Black as a colour represent, evil act,carriage of negative force, void, tanned skin of human colour etc in Yoruba cosmology. Despite this, Colour of skin swings. between Dark, brown, white, Yellowish colour un
in Yoruba cosmology which Yoruba calls Pupa, pon, oyibo,mora(Yellow/light skin).

2. On the basis of Hebrew language being assumably a combination of African language, is semantic , as far as I am concerned and can be faulted because evidence showed the Hebrew did picked or loaned words from contacts with any community they met but still uphold their form of writing ideograms until their elite writers were massively enslaved and killed during invasion of their ancestral home, so picking up or shared words aren't neglected, which made historians classified the language as non existence anymore though it is not true amongst some scholars because this language isn't traceable by scholars ,which is largely over 75% a Dialects of Yoruba language.

3. Yes , you're right about your view that Yoruba were not the only group that her language fused with ancient Hebrew because, Arabic had influence on Hebrew and on Yoruba's as well, which is distinct from classic Hebrew. Despite, these loaned words into Hebrew language, the Egyptian had a sense of influence on Hebrew and Yoruba language, which can be seen in the title of Faro /Pharaoh identification, with Yoruba's Arole title to throne, Ra( horn man god ), Orah in Hebrew and Ora in Yoruba cosmology as a man that became deified as god. As we known in linguistic that language is dynamic in nature because once it move from aboriginal home, it gradually drift slightly to incorporate other language in newer environment it meets though, there exist an intimacy language (dialect) within the teacher's language. So, the world language did parted through creativity and innovativeness of the developers of basic ethnic languages at every point in time.

5. Hebrew language is important to Yoruba people because of the ideograms are ancient language of ancient Yoruba ancestors before fusing with other form of Africans they invaded or assimilated into their fold. Trust me, if you have ideogram knowledge, you will be amazed that these ideograms are inscription of Yoruba ancestors.

a. Are you aware colour men lived in Near East ? If yes, then don't doubt Yoruba's memorial language that represent far distance they call ‘Oru/Orun' and not heaven as being misplaced in some quarters. This doesn't mean heaven have one single word in Yoruba lexicon.

b.Are you also aware that the present day Hebrew in Israel acknowledged that they are looking for a peculiar colour Africans who are Hebrew descendants ?

6. There is no iota of doubt that it will not be a herculean task to provide you and others the connection of linguistic outside the Yoruba group with Hebrew. For example, A.B ELLIS, identify Coptic Egyptian language with Yoruba's language because both peoples answer the theophorous names.

This can be likened to Ferdinand de Saussure,who says, ‘the surest way to prove a cultural contact between peoples is to adduce linguistic evidence' (Ferdinand de Saussure (1972) General HISTORY OF Africa). Though the name Hebrew ; English word, developed from Semitic Abari , which is Yoruba's Abarin/Abari; one of the cognate fit as walk alongside a place/; accompany, mercenary, uniquely an ideology of language building to the world through bi-literal roots because a large number of triliteral stems point to a biliteral base in Yoruba language, which may be called a root, since it forms the starting-point for several triliteral modifications of the same foundational purpose.

7. Such interpolation has always been the basis for my postulation in my work on semitic origin of ancient Yoruba people with evidence on

a. Opa Ogun

b. Opa Oranmiyah,

c. Ogu (ogun) Tani megalith at Aensin,‘(The House of Oduduwa: An Archaeological Study of Economy and Kingship in the Savè Hills of West Africa by Andrew W. Gurstelle),

d. Iyun , segi beads(Classification and Preservation of Ancient Glass Beads from Ile-Ife, Southwestern Nigeria by Akin Ige),

e. Crown having birds pictograph on it, metal crown, crown with rosette ,crown having feathers on it front view,, crown that's fezlike cap (Kings, Crowns, and Rights of Succession: Obalufon Arts at Ife and Other Yoruba Centers Suzanne Preston Blier)'

f. Yoruba's shrine construction, Yoruba lexicon , etc are all not basically connected to Africa groups. This doesn't give credit to Yoruba' in Africa because ibi ori da ni la un gbe ( wherever one's creator create one at any point in time is where one is established ,‘( Kindly compare with other West Africa ).


g. Ceramjic of a ram found in Ileife( Ceramic Spheres and Regional Networks in the Yoruba-Edo Region, Nigeria, 13th-19th Centuries Ac)/

Again, it will amaze you that Yoruba language is a teacher's language in West Africa ( Ifaodu religion, should come to people's mind ). And according to Hebrew's ideograms that I have read, I have found shared words as well of Arabic, Egyptians which were developed in and around Delta Nile. This is because, classic Yoruba language is always descriptive in nature , unlike other language that shared some cognates with Yoruba's specific words ,which has no meaning or description in their languages, respectively. For instance,in Yoruba language

a.Aku ko( that which mutters to crow); speaking

b. O bu ko( that which smell and mutter)

c. eyin oju( the facial eye balls) etc

d. Se ekun/sukun ( drip form of muttering; to cry)

f. Ba oroku( bend your knees)

g. Pe( an organ of mouth open up to call another person's attention

h. Karo/kero(Salutation to the breakof dawn)

i. Oru( heat which is caused by excess of the sun)

j.han( to bully through aggressive voicing/muttering

k. o ku/okun( salutation to well being)

I. a she( that which will come to effect)

The point is that the Yoruba language is one of the pioneer language that revolutionise the world's language and are too numerous to mention.

AreaFada2,

I had thought you will come online to counter the information before you on the Empire of Yoruba called OYo, but you didn't.And based on this, ,come defend yourself that Yoruba was not spoken in Bini land as a Bini Court language known as Lucomi ( Yoruba language)as Latin is to Europe which was an account in 1634-1640 by Father Culumbi Nantes from France. So, come defend yourself against the lies you have peddled that Oyo was also not an Empire! Even Yoruba language was spoken in Binu land with evidence from the above research work posted/ screenshot by TAO12.

I am waiting, laughing at your likes that are revisionism over relationship between Yoruba's establishment and her civilization in Bini land.Thus, I want to read from you because, I am enjoying these posts while there is ample evidence that's debunking of Oviedo lies before the whole world and your apologists, who don't know the truth.

Amujale, I will answer your second snd lengthy questions later.



Regard,
Elu

Amujale:
Learn to think, write and speak well of our people in all of our activities.

History is the most important aspects of legacy.

Know thyself, respect our ancestors.

Btw when refering to history we MUST move in unity, when determining our history its important to put ourselves in the correct context, the people of Nigeria, West Africa have been in existence for almost one million years, theres historical evidence dating back to 100,000 - 500,000 years ago.

I am a realist and can't move in unity when people posit wrong thing,which I expect them to correct if they have superior information to that effect .This doesn't mean, I am against Yoruba if their origin begun in Africa but I have found out they once lived outside Africa, and they move to and fro to Egypt (,North African enclave) and eventual arrival later in present day Yoruba land. So, I don't jump into conclusion as it seems because, West Africa has existed even more than 500, 000 years if Utah Jazz have rock that are over 1 billion years old but human fossil of Yoruba ancestor is actually my take on this in West Africa. If anyone is sure of Yoruba's fossil human that lived up to ±14,000 years, should kindly post such journals to back it up . Mind you, fossil found in Iwo Eleru isn't Yoruba ancestor!

Thus, I am aware of the radio carbon date of Yoruba existence on this West Africa. And certainly The Yoruba ancestors are not Olmec, nor Bantu with pygmy bloodline even if these yoruba men interbred with people in west Africa for procreation purposes. Despite this, Yoruba came across certain Pygmy like people in their folklore, with whom they referred to as Iwin( goblet) Ajan(genii), Ajanu/anjanu/Alujanu (a man/men with mystic power likened to genii).

Lastly, I am to uphold Yoruba accurate history via ideograms/pictograms ,oral etc so that I am seen as upright when informing. This has been my focal point all along and I havent deviated from it but you will find some elements who actually thought it is impossible for Yoruba ancestors to be migrants, when infact , ample evidences support such. Take for instance, Religion and Art in Ile-Ife by Suzanne Preston Blier, identify Aboriginal and New dynasty( foreign group) at a point in time in Ileife history. So, don't blame me for being strong against some people when you find people who glorify themselves on regurgitation of same information that new researched work has brought such to null and void.

MetaPhysical:
Did you not see how far back they have been in court?

Which one bring Ganduje into this matter?

They need to go beyond Kwara High Court and get a ruling in Supreme Court.

How will they get the needed justice in Nigerian court of law with the type of Nigeria Judicial system ? The truth is that it is like a shadow chasing on this matter because no matter how they try, nothing concrete can happen through Britain subjugation and imposition of Cleric Man as a leader in Ilorin,who was under the Baloguns in 1830s until 1890s,with three who were full blooded Yoruba men and a Nupe/Hausa man as fourth Balogun and not even a Fulani Balogun existed. The Balogun Fulani of Ilorin is purely of a Yoruba lineage.


If you ask my opinion, on the Ilorin issue: It is not in Nigeria such justice will take place, unless we follow the path of founding a Yoruba nation which Professor Banji Akintoye is at the helm of Affair of all incorporated body that are championing the establishment of Odua nation.So, I don't expect much on this on NL except people throwing unnecessary insults, here and there. Beside, this issue need not be on NL in the first place.

lawani:
but it was during sango's time that ede was established. I think sango was an emperor not mere head of a city state.

Shango was not an emperor. Stop this information which isn't with fact. Do you even know how long he reigned as a middle age man as Oloyo in Oyo kingdom around 12th century ? Ajaka still came and reigned as Oloyo after Ajakuta's( Shango) demise.

lawani:
in the time of sango, oyo was already an empire. It was sango that sent Timi to establish ede to protect oyo traders from the Ijesa.

This information of yours isn't accurate because Oyo was not an Empire during Sango time. Are you even aware the strongest Yoruba kingdom was Owu(Onipole )? Unfortunately, Owu dwindle after Oyo became the toast of all Yoruba emigrants due to trade route from all Yoruba enclave. And when Oyo was sacked by Nupe war mongers ,which Oyo as a whole move to different places such as Nikki, Igboho before massive military prosecution to defeat Nupe warriors and her leaders was embarked upon which yielded fruitfulness and thus reestablishment of Oyo as a kingdom before she became Empire in 17th century .

So, Sango in Nigeria's Yorubaland was the third king of Oyo but became second king after his elder brother was accused of being weak to defend his developing kingdom against Owu, which; is a cousin brother's kingdom, with a ruthless ideology in the beginning,that seeking tributary from Oyo. So, kindly posit information as near oral account even if there is pinch of errors. Perhaps,can you back Oyo up with vassal states paying tributaries to Sango when Oyo was an Empire in 12th century ?

RedboneSmith:
Wrong on all counts. While horses were known in early Oyo, it wasn't until much later that they had them in sufficient numbers to form a cavalry. Hence the first mention of the use of horses in warfare in Oyo history was in the time of Orompoto.

There is no record of Benin paying tribute to Oyo.

Oranmiyan came invading with calvary,even Edo had testimony of this account in British museum. The same man went back to Ileife in calvary to became Ooni after chasing Obalufon II from the throne of Oshin-mole. You can find this written in Susan Blier's Ileife, the Birthplace of Yorubas.

I strongly believe, with great evidence in written account by Dimitri Bondarenko, Jacob Ogharevba, and information on things, such as the dug Ooni Image buried in Bini's palace, Bini as a name, sword of Oba Bini , gift of a Igodomigodo wife to oranmiyan, establishment of Yoruba's Oba pattern, a descendants lineage to continue the peculiar monarchial system, homage of Oba Bini to Ileife after ascension to his forebear throne by Joao Afonso de Aveiro etc proof homage/ tributary to Oranmiyan and his ancestor's throne. After all, Oranmiyan established Oyo with his kingly lineage of Ogun's ancestor.

lawani:
All groups claiming origin from Ife are one. Their name is Yoruba for now but the appropriate name is Ife people. However Yoruba thought says all humans are Ife people, so to distinguish themselves a new name like Yoruba is necessary. The founder of the reigning dynasty is often placed as the father. The last one named Oduduwa was from Mecca, the penultimate may have been Orunmila, then there may have been Ogun too, probably Esu, Sango and etc in antiquity but presently it is Oduduwa, it does not matter if he was Chinese, Japanese or European. The important thing is he was made Oba at a duly recognised Ife.

No modern group are exclusively Ife aborigines. All modern groups have identities that are no more than 1500 years ago. Ijesa, Oyo, Ilaje, Ondo, Awori would sound strange to the hearing of our ancestors. Before all those there were Erinmoje, Ijero, Ire, Aramoko, Ira and many others now defunct. All of us are remnants of people holding on to the tradition of when Earth was first inhabited by dare devil ancient astronauts led by Ogun Lakaye. That first city was the first Ife.

When Humans reach that level of advancement again, we may spot a habitable planet where a patch of continent is portruding above the oceans , we then land there, being among the first set of terrestrial life. That would be Ife, we will land there with tech and know how, blossom then get wiped off as a result of one thing or the other, there may be survivors who will then carry on the traditions while others wander off as nomads. That is how it rolls. The story of the universe.

How is Oduduwa from Mecca ?

Was Mecca in existence when Oduduwa–Dawaodu reign ?

Do you have account of his lifetime in Mecca ?

Is the written pictographs on Opa Oranmiyan Arabic ?

Kindly be well informed when you post so as not to create unnecessary confusion online.

gregyboy:
Lol, with source, not just source traceable source

Well, I had trailed this lane before on Olukumi with your superior Oviedo ewarriors and shut them down. So, source isn't my problem if you need the source, then Google ‘Olukumi' on wikipedia or ‘Yoruba enclave in the heart of Delta.'

RedboneSmith:
I do not know where you read this, but the people of Ugbodu and by extension the Olukwumi, do not claim Benin origin. They came from parts of Eastern Yorubaland that were under Benin hegemony. In their oral traditions Owo and Akure are specifically mentioned.

Though, you are accurate about the migration pattern. And they actually lived in Bini as mercenaries,court workers,in the Oba's palace and environment, before migration to present location due to unfavorable and stiffening of law against Olukumi' people although they stopped along the way before eventual established settlement in Delta region where they live.

absoluteSuccess:
That guy has exposed himself as a fraud and a deceiving devil. Can you imagine a man who must go to "many African countries dominated by Muslims" just to get the meaning of the name Yoruba by proxy? Whats the wisdom in this?

A counterproductive exercise

Do you have some muslim countries where you do survey and finds out the meaning of a word that has been in circulation for centuries? Now, tell me how an ancient culture ignorant of her ethnonym is aware of her own history by this implication.

Were there people from the last two centuries who are "custodians of Yoruba history" living in "many muslim dominated countries"? If so, what preserve the name "Yoruba" in this folks' consciousness? Why this topic or its intellectual significance in the first instance?

What is the inspiration?

Discussions on nairaland led to "the project". Together, we have given purpose to a man and that is fulfillment on my part. But that's not all. A choice of "historical project" exposes the intellectual capabilities of the researcher. Therefore the phantom project is nairaland borne project.

So, one can actually find out the authoritative meaning of the name Yoruba from "Muslim dominated countries" but can't come across or find out the meaning of couple of Hebrew words in Yoruba domain. One idea is permissive but the other non-permisive.

Deception in Disguise

So, what's "the proof of limit" or otherwise on mobility of the early itinerary Yoruba? Why not travel around the world for the same purpose? A fake have predetermined results somewhere and may create buzz for whatever lies he's cooking.

How do you know this? It's always around the trending topics of interest that someone else chooses that a fake assumed as 'sacrosanct thesis' just because the other fellow could talk about it. So the psyche is that they (fakes) could talk about it "better".

You can get the ruse from there. Why dwell on another man's original idea either wrong or right? why not conceive your own original idea and thesis? That's being an intellectual-subset. There are thousands of topics that an original researcher could generate from his wealth of knowledge than squatting intellectually on tired topics that you can easily pick resources for on the internet.

That guy is not Yoruba.

Such is the type that remained as an amalgamated liar in Yoruba land over what he has no knowledge on but fume when people post information which he has no pinch of it . And I have find out that he is a breed that is angry over if someone has more advance knowledge than his false 500BC Yoruba ancestors occupied IIeife. Furthermore, he claimed Yoruba came out of Edo, yet he can't even defend against outsiders who are revisionists and lack on knowledge on ifaodu. You will read his post like someone who is vast in ifaodu verses yet he hardly mention anything on the Isheshe that he has being his focal point of defence line . Not to even see anything of him mentioning olifa/onifa for anything on information as regard migration a account on some of the odus. Ask him the Ose Isheshe that we are in this week ? You see him run from pillar to post

Instead, you will see him posting lies upon lies claiming his visitation to Muslims Africans countries with knowledge of the meaning of Yoruba in such countries,which is a big false. I mock him seriously over his claims of even being a historian in the first place .I wonder if this macof know if Ajami exist or he has seen it before ? Even the Muslims who brought anjemi/Ajami's knowledge met inscription which they don't understand before introduction of a a form of Ajami,which is a bit different from the Tira(Arabic), because of certain alphabets found jn Yoruba language. The Yoruba inscriptions found such visual human heads,Mud fish, crocodile having toad in it mouth, full human size, slab for ram slaughter, with ram visual head, inscription on walls of Eluorogbo ,pictograms,Opa Ogun, Opa oranmiyah; which represent established spot for conferring authority of kingship on Ooni,Alafin etc and oath taking of not attacking Ileife.

Like I said, even the amiable history Professor , Professor Akintoye acknowledged the written Hebrew language on the Opa oranmiyah but here we are with a pathological liar who claims being Yoruba but does not know anything about archeological research in Ileife that has gone beyond lips and bound. Sincerely, he has been bittered from the moment I suspected his dubious approach which made me not to revels the meaning of the inscription on opa oranmiyah,has made him more confused as ever.

Kindly Ask macof,which animal is represented as the mightiest in Yoruba culture and represent King's trumpet. Trust me he willl consult widely before he will know it, even if he will, which is well explicit in Yoruba culture . This is indeed the reason, I don't take him serious because, before you read a paragraph in his write up, his defence line is insult.


Cheers bro

2prexios:
Great confusion piece!

You see, the propaganda of 500BC of existence of Yoruba at Ileife was overrated and thrown to bin as false information because, it has no true radio carbon dating evidence . This was even mentioned in Susan Blier journal on ‘Ife , the birth place of Yoruba'. And you will see people like macof chanting song as if he know much on these area that he is delved into,yet he has no pinch of any from of knowledge on it .


It is only in Nigeria, you will find educated bigotry at the peak,simply because truth is about emerging and some of these people don't have patience to be tolerant, which even Ifaodu isnt afraid of because, the ifaodu begun the knowledge of one formless God who dwell in Ora; light . Imaging people who don't know the difference between yod/yud and resh/reish claiming they know a language ,I am familiar with ? I doubt even if macof know that Professor Akintoye has also seen the Opa Oranmiyah inscription without him knowing what it mean and the highly respected professor didn't doubt the Hebraic inscription on it ? But here we are finding people postulating as if the authors they mentioned and rely on ever claimed that their research work on Yoruba ethnic group affirm Yoruba people as indigenous to Africa. Funnily, macof has drifted several times on many view on Yoruba iconic figures, such as who the Ooni was, Pharaohs origin of Yoruba Oonis,East Africa origin of Yoruba people etc


Bro, I am not interested in exchanging messages with people who need ask question, instead of concluding on a language they don't even know the foundation of it nor the religion of her people called Ifaodu. English language is of Germanic origin and of Mediterranean,Roman-latin,etc loaned words. Can any of these people mentioned, where Yoruba language developed from in West Africa or any other part from Africa? Interestingly, West Africa languages don't match Yoruba's lexicon. Even the Edo; who spoke Igodomigodo language,were influence linguistically. While Ibo language became interrelated with yoruba alongside Kabba- Igala mix interaction, which testified to few loaned words across board.

Ayo Ogun; Samuel Johnson,
Scribner's Son,
Slideboom
Fatunbi,
Williams ,
Siculus,
Dennet ,
Wi Lizzie etc

have commented on Opa Oranmiyah. So, macof, what is special of this commentator of yours who don't know the meaning of the inscription .Beside, go to IleIfe to see the writing pattern so that you can see difference from picture onlione and the real deal!

Even renown Professors , who are known historians in Nigeria or across the globe will never delve into what isn't their jurisdiction except such knowledge on hieroglyphs, pictographs, ideograms, Semitic writing knowledge are acquired but here you're, fuming over assumption . Believe me, you're a typical Yoruba man with the biggest Joke because you regurgitate , nothing new.............

absoluteSuccess:
Welcome bro, its been a while.

Hope you are good?

Stay safe.

Yes, it is been a while indeed . I am good. Stay safe with your family members. Thanks

TAO11:
See I am uninterested in this kind of discourse.

What I will ask you to do (and be honest with yourself about is a very) simple data collection quest.

(1) Begin with honesty and fairness to yourself.

(2) Reach as many participants as you possible.

(3) Record your participant's religion of orientation (or religion of nurture).
[Not necessarily their present religion].

(4) Record also their hypothesis of Yoruba roots.

(5) I assure you even before your research that almost 100% of time your result will be as follows:

Islamic religion of nurture ---> Saudi Arabia, Mecca origin, etc.

Christian religion or nurture ---> Israel, Egypt origin, etc.

[Note: participant = those with Middle Eastern Yoruba root jokes].

Try this out and post your HONEST find on this same platform.

That should be a first step to your realization of how all the so-called research you all are doing is nothing but a self-fulfilling pseudo-intellectual goose chase.

I will be waiting to see your find.

I don't expect you to understand ideograms of Semitic origin or the religion perspective you digressed into because of the stress it involved in knowing or reading it. So, I understand where you are coming from. Though, I appreciate what you posited but such information is beyond NL because, it is strictly for public domain.

TAO11:
I've been waiting for your reply to that.

I was almost tempted to reply saying: "that's not your view".

I must confess, that you have been quite amazing with your pattern of information which I admire but you need review human history to have further understanding of world language,which is contrary to the manner at which you picked certain words in English and your perceived view of having Yoruba cognate.

Intentionally, you hold a distant view on Yoruba language and culture history, which showed where you stand on migrant identity. This is because, you seemingly don't clue on the ideograms I can read and interpret which is the Semitic knowledge. So, if you picked any dictionary of Arabic and Japanese to understanding the relationship with Yoruba, then you have a big challenge on it.

Interestingly, English language language borrowed lot of words from classic Hebrew ,which became part of her lexicon.So , I will not be surprise if you find such cognstet relationship
between English language and Yoruba's. Mind you, cognate has both true and false ; which is the reason, you realise it is not about assumption or Middle Eastern ideology.

Lastly, do you know Agada ; scimitar (small word being used by ancient Yoruba kings, princes, great & outstanding warriors are Middle Eastern origin / Oriental sword ? Perhaps, you need pick up interest in understanding the identity of these ancient Yoruba men. Do you know many people have studied Yoruba's ancient loom, arrow, houses etc to be non West African ?

macof:
Lmao. Before you want silent for weeks I showed you scholars debunking whatever idea that the marks on the Opa Oranmiyan are Hebrew

I know you have a blocked brain so it has quickly flown out of your head again

modified:

As usual , you have no regard for scholars, instead, you peddle false information as fact. Little do you know, the inscription on opa oranmiyah isn't a secret ideogram that can be read easily. And the people who have tried to read said it is written in Hebrew. Now, if it is not written in Hebrew, what language is opa oranmiyah written in ?


Perhaps, you will need to explain to us the manner at which, Yoruba ancestors had knowledge of alphabets during the medieval time. After all, Africans inscriptions ,even the old Egypt's hieroglyphs are different from Yoruba's.


Certainly, such as you need be spanked on the head because, you virtually have nothing up in your brain than rhetorics. Interestingly, I know your ancestors. are actually, the type that were assimilated into Yoruba fold, because they were naturally not Yoruba people from inception,which is the reason you have no knowledge beyond West Africa ,which was not inhabited over 200,000 years ago. Yet , you keep chanting West Africa as if Yoruba ancestors language originated from West Africa. Any way, you remained your humble self; hypothetical mumu.

macof:
You didn't address so many points and just make excuses and jump to more claims

OK, now you have said you never claimed the Yoruba are semitic but rather the semitic people derived their culture, traditions and language from the Yoruba who used to live in the middle East long before the supposed time of Abraham
That should put the Yoruba presence in that region to earlier than 2000BC
Never forget this, because I know you suck at chronology

How come the studies on semitic culture and language hasn't been found to descend from or be influenced by the Yoruba?
The semitic people have had a writting culture for over 4000 years, meaning they possessed the ability to retain history better than civilizations without writing culture
One major reason silly people are quick to conclude that Africa had no history

Now let's say ok, Yoruba who civilized the semitic people, left them and went down to West Africa
Somehow they lost the writing culture of the middle East?
I would have said they also lost their language but you claim Yoruba is still an Afro-asiatic language.. So oK

You used the example of afro descendants in the americas and asked how do we know they are really afro descendants?
Well first thing is that there are records of it from 3 continents
1. Africa where they came from
2. Europe who was involved in their transportation
3. America where they arrived

And no evidence exists to debunk these records
But evidence exists to support them

Now my further questions are
What records from Yorùbáland exist and what records from the middle exist.. That state Yoruba were in the middle East? Under what names were the Yoruba called in the middle East? because we know the Yoruba never had a single name to refer to all speakers of the Yoruba language so surely the Yoruba were not a unified group when they were in the middle East right?



I could easily just end this by asking you what your source for this "it is believed Yoruba are noahdic" and "Yoruba Language is proto-semitic".. But let's go on and analyse the whole post, I will ask you later

isn't Abraham a descendant of Noah according to Hebrew narratives?
I am unsure of what Arabs say
(@RamessesIV. Can you educate me on this as you would know more about this)

So logically Abrahamics are Noahdics too.

And earlier you said Arabs descended from Ad now you say they descended from Abraham
Why the inconsistencies? You don't get to shift argument like that what da heck

And don't tell me I'm mixing anything up, you lack consistency and all 4 of you (absoluteSuccess, olu317 and obalufon included) support each other but when you get called out and you have no come back, you switch to a new argument and leave your brothers in the cold.

wait what exactly are you doing? Are you seriously implying the black people of the americas are not African?
Because you need to be clear on that

But to address the question.. yes several enslaved Africans who were born in Africa and regained freedom mentioned their original names and described their homeland and family in Africa. And in some cases descendants of an enslaved African born retained information about their homeland like in the case of Kunta Kinte's descendants

For an enslaved people forced to lose their identity that is impressive....

Oludah Equiano, Cudjo Lewis, Ayuba Suleiman Diallo and Abdul-Rahman ibn Sori are only few examples
If you are interested in the topic of enslaved Africans go and get their biographies and autobiographies because I don't get why you even think this is comparable to your claim of yoruba originating from the middle East



Except Sigidi doesn't mean to "prostrate". It refers to a clay effigy, the very core nature of the word "sigidi" is the characteristic of the object not that people prostrate to it or sing to it or pour oil on it. The name has nothing to do with the actions people do with it


Furthermore, you would have to explain the evolution of the word Shigidi to Sujud and apply same method to many other words to get your desired Cognates



You don't concern yourself with genetics but you bragged about possessing sources that state Yoruba and bedoiuns share same haplogroup

Another change of argument

And the role of a priest is what? If not to hold knowledge of what he is a priest of
He is the priest of oduduwa yet you say his role is not to posses information about Oduduwa's origin?
Where do arokin get their information from if not from the priests and families themselves?
If an arokin comes and sings something he heard from someone else about my family in a bid to surprise me, so I can't tell the arokin that his informant is wrong?
Arokin are mere praise singers

How does shigidi mean to prostrate in any Yoruba dialect ?

macof:
You'll first explain HOW it is Hebrew

I don't need to explain to you because it has been accepted in the scholarly world as classic Hebrew. So how dare you ask me ? Srop peddling falsification!

macof:
How am I sure they are converted? Well discrepancies, lack of evidence, the claim being in complete contradiction with established facts

How are you sure that they have always been Jews living in Yorùbáland?

1. There are no records of Jewish or Hebrew religion in Yorùbáland.. Not by the Sufi scholars of Gao or Timbuktu, not by the European explorers and certainly not by the Yoruba
If you are aware of records of Jewish religion before Christianity in the 19th century do share

2. Even if there were records of the presence of Jewish religion prior to Christianity (or even Islam, good luck finding evidence for that though) that would not mean that those Jews were always following the religion or that they were ancestrally descended from Hebrews

To prove that such an early Jewish presence was in fact present since the beginning of the Yoruba civilization
You would need to provide archeological evidence of Jewish art or any form of tangible Hebrew artefact that is as old as the Yoruba civilization

To prove that descendants of Hebrews indeed settle in Yorùbáland you would have to provide dna analysis tracing the modern Yoruba to 4000 year old Jews


Oh do provide the records of the Bnai Ephraim you claim are original yorubas practicing Judaism who migrated from Israel to Spain then to Yorùbáland. I would love to read a scholarly work on this migration

I also saw in that laughable oriki thread where everyone is just saying nonsense that you say Whydah is the kingdom of judah because you saw Whydah written as "Juda" on a European map
Man, how lazy can Nigerians be. Now is it too hard for you to study Whydah history and see if it is stated to be founded by Hebrews from the Kingdom of Judah or by Black West Africans?
Did you bother asking yourself why different European maps would write the name of saveral African kingdoms different? The inability of Europeans to pronounce the proper African names never occurred to you?

You got a lot to learn man

Explain the meaning of the inscription of opa oranmiyah if you know it.

Secondly, how is Yoruba's Opa oranmiyah classified as Hebrew language as resh and yod ?

RamessesIV:
This inferiority complex of negros,that they want to look for ways to tie themselves to the middle east cause of religion no wonder whites claim we weren't doing anything and all our achievements were done by Berber/arabs ���

Can you explain the reason the Opa Oranmiyah is Hebrew ? If you're inferior ,then that's your self conviction. So infer your view like a scholar.

2prexios:
You've really tried to have gotten his name. I never have an inkling about his identity for 9 years he has been trailing and trolling me.

Yoruba said baaba leni baaba bani, iwon laabani sota mo. This guy has just been a nuisance.

Imaging a man claiming common linguistic ancestry for west and south Africa that could not recognize "cognate" in two kindred languages.

Now here he would be stuck:

if he agrees with me as to Odiyan meaning Odion, his claims that I had been engaged in wordplay all along means that he is mentally dehydrated.

Then his "outbursts turned claims" proves that he is mentally and intellectually deranged. And he has been fighting a blind cause all along.

If he disagrees to the apparent, then it proves that he is mentally deranged and intellectually off range. His claims to nigercongo another anchor for a man without a specific base to launch out.

If he return with another smokescreen as he always do, then he is an incompetent impostor without abilities other than to be invisible when his head is buried in the sand and all his body exposed to the light of the day.

Did you mean he is an elderly man with grown up daughter married to your friend? That's something. So an elderly man is here with us using all sort of vulgar words? It can't be. Abi na so?

His name are Makinde Oluwafemi/Olufem . And it seems he is a journalist without substantial portfolio.

Furthermore, there is no way he will agree with you because he is deranged. After all, he claims South Africa and West Africa are same people linguistically. No wonder, he hss been informing with substantial evidence or witnesses.

And again, he said that Yoruba people have spiritual power to overturn delicacy issues as normal. Though it is noormal for misunderstanding to ensues but aftermath effect will be devastating.

youngbabaj:
Sorry......whatever ure going through in life, just don't give up,,,, the lord is on ur case

Just imaging this dehydrated Edo boi? Enjoy your ignorance.

darfay:
Typical Yoruba Muslim.


Nice article op, no wonder Muslim make up to 76% of Yoruba Land because it's older there. I must commend Yoruba Muslim for their religious tolerance towards their Christian minority brothers even though they greatly out number them

Are you a joke ? Muslims is majority in Yoruba land. NL people and blunders.

nlPoster:
Nobody likes to not be black enough.

This is absolutely false except if you are supporting du/adu/dudu( dark skin ) based on self conviction and not generality purpose. Take for instance, my biological father was very a light skin,his father(my grandfather) ,was a light skin, my father's grandfather( my great grandfather) grandfather). While my mother was a very dark skin woman. And, I dont adore dark skin woman,though brownish may be considered in ratio: 1:90.

As apparent as it is, where do you leave some of us who are light skin, bronze skin, brown and chocolate skin ?In fact, some have brownish/tan face and hands but light inner body as my self. Light skin and Albinos seems extremely highly rated amongst Yoruba people because they are seen as pride and more adorable . Mind you, Oyo and extended clans are the darkest of all amongst Yoruba sub clans.

youngbabaj:
The Oba of Lagos, His Royal Highness, Oba Rilwan Akiolu, has at long last told the world by means of a recorded account and foundation the genuine proprietors of Nigeria's financial capital city of Lagos and parts of neigbouring Benin Republic. Lagos, he stated, has a place with the Great Benin Kingdom and has never been a piece of Yoruba land. This was contained in an announcement gave and marked by the Lagos Monarch which was discharged from his royal residence.

The announcement peruses:

"Originating from the royal residence, with what I was told by my late fatherly grandma who is a relative of Oba Ovonramwen Nogbaisi and furthermore perusing from real Historical books, let me share this Knowledge with all of you on Eko/Lagos. "Cutting edge Lagos was established by Prince Ado, the child of the Oba of Benin, Ruler Ado was the first Oba of Lagos, the child of the Bini King, Prince Ado, named the town Eko until the Portuguese pioneer Ruy de Sequeira changed the Maritime town to Lagos, which around then from 1942 was Portuguese undertaking place down the African Coast. "It was a significant focus of the slave exchange until 1851. Lagos was attached by Britain by means of the Lagos arrangement of cession in 1861, finishing the consular period and beginning the British Colonial Period.

The rest of cutting edge Nigeria was seized in 1886 when the Colony and Protectorate of Nigeria were built up in 1914 Lagos was announced its capital because of the battle of the Bini King. "Lagos experienced development preceding the British Colonial standard and significantly progressively fast development during the Colonial principle all through the 1960s, 70s, proceeded through the 80s and 90s till date. On account of the Awori's, Bini's, Yoruba's, vagrants the country over and the world everywhere, as no specific gathering of individuals can take the greatness alone. "Lagos is comprised of Lagoons and rivers.
The Lagos tidal pond, Lagos Harbor, five cone springs, Ebute-Metta rivers, Porto-Novo brooks, New trench, Badagry rivulets, Kuramo waters and Lighthouse streams. "The Awori's and Bini's are known to be the primary pioneers of the Eko land. The Awori's are speakers of a particular tongue near that of the Yoruba language with a rich Bini blend. Generally, Awori"s were found in Ile-Ife, they were known to be simply the Bini's who followed their banished Prince, the principal child of the Ogiso (presently called Oba) of the Benin Kingdom, whose progression mother was after his head. "The ousted Benin Prince Izoduwa referred to the Yorubas as Ooduwa (Oduduwa) was made the leader of the Ife individuals because of his forces and devotees from the Great Benin-Kingdom.

"Izoduwa (Ooduwa) was made the principal King of Ile-Ife in 1230 AD. His devotees from his dad's Kingdom in Benin are the present Awori individuals who settled in Eko now called Lagos. "In 1300, the King of Benin-Empire got notification from one of his brokers who was a pilgrim in Eko on how the Bini's were treated by the Awori's who lived in their general vicinity. After hearing this, the King of Benin directed the amassing of a war campaign, drove by his child, Prince Ado, which headed the settlement of the Awori's and requested a clarification.

"On showing up Eko, Prince Ado and his Army were more than got. The Aworis requested that the Bini Prince remain and turn into their pioneer. Ado conceded to the condition that they give up their power to the Oba of Benin, to which the individuals concurred. Hearing this, the King of Benin gave his authorization for Prince Ado and the undertaking to stay in Eko.

"The Oba of Benin sent a portion of his boss including the Eletu, Odibo, Obanikoro and others to help his child, Oba Ado in the running of Eko. "From the delegated of Prince Ado as the first Oba of Lagos (at that point called Eko), Lagos filled in as a significant place for slave exchange from which the Aworis, the Oba of Benin and his child the Oba of Lagos and all the youngsters/relatives who took over as his successors for more than four centuries bolstered the exchange. "The Oba of Benin was the leader of the Benin Empire which is the present-day Western, Southern and Eastern cutting edge Nigeria.

The King never obliged anybody to communicate in the Bini language as he accepted everybody was qualified for their own decision of language. The name Eko was given to it by the primary ruler of Lagos, Oba Ado, the youthful and lively Prince from Benin. Eko was the land presently known as Lagos Island, where the ruler castle was assembled. "The royal residence is called Idugaran signifying "royal residence based on pepper ranch"

Oba Ado and the warriors from Benin together with the early Bini's pioneers in Eko and the Awori individuals settled in the southern piece of Eko called "Isale Eko". "Isale actually implies base". More likely than not been utilized to show downtown (as in downtown Lagos."Until the coming in of the Benin's 1300AD, Lagos geological limit was Lagos terrain, Lagos Island, the seat of the Oba of Lagos at that point comprised of a pepper homestead and angling post. Nobody was living there.

"Around 1450 AD a few Yorubas who hailed from Isheri in Ogun-state and Ekiti were permitted by the King to settle in Eko during a war, they arrived in a huge numbers subsequently outperforming the quantities of the Awori's and Bini's. (Thus Yorubas guarantee to possess Eko because of their numbers). "Oba Ado went gaga for a lovely lady whose father was Awori and mother a little girl to one of the boss; they had two children and furthermore a girl Erelu Kuti, who conceived Ologun Kutere


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May you never know truth for this lie peddling on NL. Is Olusi ruling housw a Bini name ? Just look at this toddler. Do Bini even have a language that's well known in real world outside Edo land ? Classical liar. Smh

nlPoster:
What are those strange and unusual things you've heard of or seen that can naturally occur in nature.

Yhere are many such as

1. People who walk on hot coal of fire and never got burnt.

2. People who planted piece of a yam seed in a day, got matured/ripped in that same day, got cooked same and eaten same day.

Tomiwa69:
So how did Islam came into Igbo land?
These Question is one of humanity biggest mystery.

Don't pollute this thread with Ibos' Islamic origin because it is about Yorubas of Oyo and Iwo before other Yoruba people's connection to modern day Islam being discussed here. Thanks

It is noteworthy to emphasis here that ifaodu you mentioned for Muslim doesn't exist . Imale ( umale) is different from any Islamic tutoring. Is it Oloyo that was initiated into ifaodu by Ado that incorporated Muslim odu into ifaodu? Perhaps, it will be of interest if you mention the ifaodu corpus with the chant. Thanks.

2prexios:
As Olu was your obsession when you created a counter thread for him in unanswered question on Yoruba Hebrew origin.

You can always run, but you can never hide, just as you are hiding under this post to cover your shame or lack of it.

You are the one who is giving the dehydrated brain macof ,the needed attention because, he basically has nothing tangible to offer since iran fulani, Iran Edo don't have oriki except oba Eweka and descendants.

So, once he is afraid to post his family's Oriki , then it shows the fear that grips him. Isn't it a shame on his part for some who always want us to believe, he is an isese man . Femi or whatever his name is, wouldn't surprise me because I have met Edo descendants both patrilineal and matrilineal side who bore Yoruba names as surname and other names respectively
.

In fact, my friend got married to one of the man's daughter before, both of us know this damning information.So, I wont be surprised if Femi-macof is an Edo man or Igala or ,Esan man whose mother is linked with Yoruba ancestry, unlike one areafada on NL who simply stood by his patrilineal side and recognised his matrilineal Yoruba side. This the reason I suspect him without that he lacked oriki,which makes him irrelevant in whatsoever way,which has always been the reason ,no one see your opinion as what can be referenced.