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bigfrancis21:I wonder what could be the reason that the Ikas history is in obscurity because, there is a oral history, passed down of a war between a group of Yorubas; precisely Oranmiyan's prince-king descendant led team with other Odudua descendants, that fought the Ikas. Eventually, these wars made the Ikas fled that location, due to their annihilation. As the oral account posited that these particular Ikas were a set of barbarians, who lived in this location. Infact, Oral account claims that, once they had an arguement over an issue, such as , predicting among themselves of the possible sex a child to be birth by the pregnant mother, and if such argument is inconclusive, such pregnant mother or lady will be killed and have her stomach slit to take out the dead baby and confirm the sex of such child. Interestingly, this led to a war between these Yoruba groups and the Ika groups, which oral account has it that these people were chased away with mystical day light walking bush rats that were conjure to invade and annihiate these Ikas before the remaining few fled to a distance land,presumably to Edo or from their place of origin or even assimilated in other groups of preseent day Nigeria.Though this account is not accepted within the historical school of thought among scholars because it lacked evidence, which is ,due to the obscurity of the information of three distinct Ileife migrants that posited three account of the name and their identity in the largest settlement of Yorubas in Akoko. The name which the Ika was turned to is ‘Oka' in Akoko, Yoruba land. Despite this story is of oral account of Yoruba land from the past, unfortunately the exact place where these war took place is also in obscurity, which is due to different three account that could be a memorable name that rekindled victory over rivals, though the period as from 15th-16th-17th century, though the date is not accurate ,which is due to the heavy loss of the ideograms written record ,except oral account being passed down from generation to generation. My question to you are two: 1.where exactly is the ancestral link home to the Ikas ? 2. Do Ikaz have anything in their culture against or for Bush rats ? In Yoruba land, the foundation of each town has oral account though people could be assimiliated from non original yoruba establishment but each kindred ancestry are known, if such is maternally or paternally or both are connected to Yoruba's Ileife. |
MusicSots:The worldview of God is different from one ethnic group to another. So,I can't infer on how many culture see the identity of Yeshua,from their perspective. However, from Sanskrit, persian,Assyrian, to Egypt etc culture ,there are different knowledge on yeshua in their mythology, which solidly differs from the yoruba concept of God, because the almighty one appear differently from Hebraic culture and Yoruba's, because God exist as spirit being ,who is not seen through a naked eyes and never a man made defied God |
MusicSots:No, the Hebrew's śâṭân( saw-tawn')_ and Yoruba Eshu aren't the same. Hebrew concept of the personality of śâṭân is an adversary, one who oppose man and not God . Hebrew's God has no rival but man does. This is also found in Yoruba philosophical word of one's adversary in Ypruba lexicon known as , ‘she'ota', which became diminutive to ota, although sheota is being used daily among Yoruba people of West Africa. It was a big blunder on the part Late Rev. Samuel Ajayi Crowther who mistakenly taught Eshu means Devil in his translation of the Bible into Yoruba language. The name Eshu is still being borne today amongst defiant Yoruba that know the purpose and the meaning of the name. The English people who tried to translate the Bible into English language made some sort of mistake by thinking there was a powerful spirit who fought God, that is known as ‘supreme evil spirit in the Abrahamic religions, who tempts humanity and rules Hell; the Devil as Rev. Samuel Ajayi did on Eshu,which isn't with the concept of the ancient Hebrew but the purpose of one God has been established to buttress the purpose of God. |
MusicSots:Yes! Eshu is Yeshua but became diminutive. If in doubt,verify, why Eshu is the protector of twin,entrance to God ,as been written in the Bible which is the same in Yoruba ifaodu religion. Please ,go ask father of twins or Yoruba Ifaodu priests to explain it ,why Eshu is a part of Ela( Creator). The English people were preaching Ela that came to earth as Human being as Yoruba ancestors spoke of one of them, who ascended to heaven. The man's name was also called Ela or Elu oro o gbo( one who rose from death and live forever to shrewd),in the traditional religion of ifaodu of ancient Yorubas that wasn't corrupted. Plainly, this name was written as Hebrew :יְשׁוּעָ Lettering combination: ye+sh+ u+ ah= Yeshua! Breaking it down in a simplify form: Ye:יְ Sh:שׁ U(oo):וּ ah : עָah: Meaning: .....JV: save, welfare, salvation, saving, deliverance, help, health , NAS: salvation, saving, victories, deliverance, prosperity, save, victory, deeds of deliverance, security, help HCS: my Savior, salvation, victories, deliverance, victorious, Salvation, of salvation, prosperity, the salvation, save, victory, Savior, help, saving acts.
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PeterKbaba:Brother, I know you're good with your research work on the connection between who were the Abari(Hebrew) that moved through the belt of Sudan and disappeared , 1000s of years ago,whom some of us know were Yoruba migrants who came and invaded and subdued part of the Nok culture . However, using linguistic affinity to establish your view must be inline on how the protolanguage connection came to being; cognate and place of origin of such language. Therefore, you will find it hard if you don't understand the Abari(Hebrew) classic Semitic language and the continuum in Yoruba language from it original land of migration because, once speakers of language move from a community for whatever reason to another community, then there is tendency to be, intimacy language among the owners of language(teachers language) and learners language which is accessible language to both teacher and learners language. The intimacy language in this regard is coded in ifaodu,while the accessible language can be infuse to learners language which are understood by learners and teachers of such language . So,if you intend to establish connection between Hebrew and Yoruba, then you need be able to read the Semitic ideograms and the classic Hebrews alphabets in comparison with Yoruba language. Furthermore,the translations and transliteration of Hebrew classic language is based on knowledge of the interpreters on Greek,Latin-roman loosely interpretation, which aren't perfect. This is indeed important to stand atop these set of people who don't know the might of Ancient Yorubas. |
MusicSots:If you're an initiate of Eyo. Perhaps, you will realise, Adamo orisha is Yeshua. Ijebu and other Eastern Yoruba dialects are rich in ancient Yoruba language.So,this name became diminutive to Eshu. In odu ogunda, there is a creation myth that, Eshu and Ela(Orunmiela) are are inseparable).The same personality is the protector of twins, his believers and the killer of the enemies of his followers. |
macof:1. Yes, ot is true, that this topic is deep but to you and your like minds that created unnecessary hiccup simply because, you can't take time to understudy a language that some scholars claimed, has died. Yet you channel your energy in learning English language, that loaned a lot from Yoruba ancestors written ideograms 2. Oral account through incorporation into Ifaodu claimed, three creators in Ile Ife; Obatala, Odudua and Ela. So, when Oral account has a slight problem, genetic relationship and ideograms writing solves the problems. 3. Ileife claimed Odudua, Ogun, Obalufon I,Oranmiyan, Obalufon II,etc are migrants. In fact, they are called intruders,who married the autochthonous people. 4. According to Fa- bunmi (p. 22), the Iwinrin Grove is the original land of the autochthonous peoples of Ife. 5. According to Idowu, The leader "Odudua" also appears to have suppressed the worship of the local Ife deity, Obatala. Awolalu summarizes (p. 27) the situation at Ife at this time as follows: a) that the original inhabitants of Ife knew and acknowledged Obatala as the deity that created the earth and to whom worship was due and given; b) that at a stage in the early history of Ife, some intruders who were migrating from somewhere, came into Ife, and conquered the orig- inal inhabitants who were devotees of [Obatala]; c) that the newcomers suppressed the worship of Obatala and embraced that of Oduduwa who was possibly a female divinity; d) that at the death of the conquering leader, his followers and admirers deified him and called him Odudua 6.The events surrounding Ife's founding and Obalufon II's role in the early Ife city-state are described in some detail in Ife oral accounts. Present-day scholars of Yoruba religion such as Idowu (p. 23) and Awolalu (p. 27) see the city as developing its political and religious primacy as a result of the arrival of a militarily powerful group of foreigners who were part of a distant branch of the Yoruba people. Un- fortunately the name of the leader of this group is not known, because in the accounts his identity is subsumed by that of his patron deity, Odudua. 7. At the time of the arrival of this outsider and his party, Ife was occupied by an indigenous people who were under the leadership of a hunter named Ore (Oreluere). Not surprisingly, the orig- inal inhabitants of Ife do not appear to have supported this foreigner, "Odudua," in his attempts to gain control of the city. 8.This foreign ruler was, however, by all accounts a strong and politically effective leader. One of his most important decisions was to establish a series of marriage alliances with the local populace. Accordingly, both he and his party mar- ried indigenous women "of the land," in order to create a new generation of Ife residents who, in Idowu's words (p. 24), "... . would be at home in both worlds . . . people who were without bitterness towards either of the opposing parties." In the course of these marriages, the new ruler fa- thered a number of children, many of whom eventually set out to found their own dynasties in other Yoruba states. 9. All the Terracotta artworks, Bronze, etc done in classic time in Yoruba land were around 12th-15th. Yet Yoruba is the oldest mankind on earth ![]() 10.Sussan Blier ( Ile Ife, Birthplace of the Yoruba), in the Ikedu list, there is a claims that it was 46th kings As Akintitan explains (p.c.):4 “It was Odudua who was the last to come to Ife, a man who arrived as a warrior, and took advantage of the situation and impose himself. Note. As far as I am concern,the identity of Yorubas were diverse and the Odudua group gained ground and dominated everywhere through intermarriages and birth explosion to subdued the original inhabitants, that they met . And odudua language took root as lingual franca,during the early growth of Ileife. |
macof:You try macof but what amaze me is that you don't give concrete information to buttress your instead, abuse. This is really shocking. I guess, facts hit you like thunder. Renowned scholars in Yoruba history acknowledged that Ileife has moved for close to 8 times and the places can't even be traced except via oral account. Mr. man, show evidence of your information and stop using Ife as excuse. Yorubas are not the only one on planet earth. Mind you, Yoruba do not have the oldest bones on earth although if you have contrary established facts from historians or archeologists, kindly share. As far as I am concerned, Yoruba ancestors had knowledge of ancient beginning but they were not the first mankind on earth. Instead, they were told by God ,how he created the world and established mankind on earth. Ileifeife i Nigeria is not even older t than oldest fossil found in Morocco, Ethiopia, Israel. Kindly inform us. |
kayfra:Contrary to your view, what I posted is known as early or the first written ideograms of ancient Yoruba, that were called anciently called, Ebora(Aboram/Abram),who was a warrior and mercenary,who moved people from place to place, Abari,which English language, termed, 'Hebrew'. This early stage of the writing is the oldest, which is believed that, it has been stated that the Phoenicians developed the world's first alphabet around 1050 BC. This alphabet was believed to have then spread to the Hebrews and other cultures in the Canaan area over the next centuries, eventually being picked up by the Greeks and Romans and passed down to the modern alphabets of today. However, many may have missed the implications of this view for the traditional understanding that Moses wrote the first books of the Bible'. And archeological finding support this belief. While writing had long been in use by the Egyptians and the people of Mesopotamia, they used complicated writing systems (hieroglyphics and cuneiform) that were limited because they employed nearly a thousand symbols with many more variants representing not just sounds, but also syllables and whole words. The messages they conferred were fairly simple, while the Bible uses complex forms of language. The genius of the first alphabet was to boil everything down to about two-dozen letters that originally represented the sounds of consonants only. From these few letters, every word of a language can be easily represented'. Culled from ancient Hebrew writing. People like you underestimated Yoruba people because, some of your ancestors were assimilated Yorubas, though it is not a big deal , if one is related maternally or paternally to yoruba. But, you disproved ideology that you don't understand. It is strikingly shocking for someone to contend on what he/she haw no knowledge. Perhaps, If I posted my knowledge on Yoruba ancestors ideograms, you will appreciate your ancestors and the knowledge they brought to the whole mankind.Interestingly the ancient Yoruba are masters in code. I guess, you don't actually know what dawaodu whom is referred as Odudawa did on earth. Let me quickly clarify here that the man simply tumbled the world and established God authority on earth. But Ignorance has eaten deep into your heart and your like minds, who don't know the value of my ancestor and our ancestors who did exploit in their original homeland; Near East. Bronze man and not a black man ,is who I am and and proudly Odelu Ikan descendant.....descendants of Oranmiyan...Dawaodu( odudawa). We birth twins as the chosen one of God. |
Let me share classic ideogram writing of ancient Semitic language that Yoruba language is part of. Kayfra, come learn the might of Yoruba ancestors writing! Modern: una,Ina Ancient: Nowr,Ner Meaning: Light Did Yoruba loaned this word too?
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FrLukas:Three ways you can have access to these things. 1. Google books online to buy or download on pdf 2. Contact one on one person who is an Ifaodu priest, who can give answers to you on questions you desire. 3. Join ifaodu groups online but be mindful of scams. |
absoluteSuccess:My brother, an ignorant will perpetually be one. I am of the opinion, that this guy crying over a spill milk, knows and wonder how on earth can these things really be! And the propaganda written by assimilated votaries, priests,priestess Yorubas,which had great negative impacts on Yoruba history,religion and medicine but the cheering news is that these people and their descendants could not interpret the written ideograms on Yoruba soil but do guess work.In fact, I likened these people to modern day non Yoruba pastors,who married Yoruba females and their children became part of the Yoruba nation, where their children knowledge is divided between their paternal and maternal lineages that dearly desired to be merged as one, when in fact, they are distinct.So, bother yourself not anymore because the person you engage has no written historians records that fixed Yorubas foundational home in Nigeria or Africa. |
FrLukas:Pardon my late response. On the request you made, about Yoruba books, I must confess, there are different writers with different perspective on Yoruba religion,which make it controversial. But, you need be specific on the books you want to read because Yoruba's language is coded in Ifaodu,which basically are in three fold.Namely: 1.Mythology(divination and religious beliefs) 2.History and philosophy of Yoruba 3. Yoruba medicine Cheers. |
Description of Sphinx does not match Yoruba's identity even if it is fact there were conscriptions of different groups which is eminent in Yoruba's Panegyric (Oriki). So, those of you who are critics of this reality ought go to your connected root to know your family panegyric! Below are Olmec Africans screenshot and their look which typical Sphinx builders!
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This is a Semitic person.
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This is ±1200 AD Yoruba person,whose facial look isn't a pure darker African because of his nostril feature, lip,chick etc but remained a Yoruba man. So, we know Yoruba original ancestors have others they conscripted as servants, votaries, chiefs, blacksmiths etc. In fact, E-M215 and E-M35 are quite common among Afro-Asiatic speakers. The linguistic group and carriers of E-M35 lineage have a high probability to have arisen and dispersed together from the region of origin of this language family. Amongst populations with an Afro-Asiatic speaking history, a significant proportion of Jewish male lineages are E-M35. Haplogroup E-M35, which accounts for approximately 18% to 20% of Ashkenazi and 8.6% to 30% of Sephardi Y-chromosomes, appears to be one of the major founding lineages of the Jewish population. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-M215_(Y-DNA)) Yoruba ancestor's screenshot who was once mistaken as a Persian ruler! Lol
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This is ±1200 AD Yoruba person,whose facial look isn't a pure darker African because of his nostril feature, lip,chick etc but remained a Yoruba man. So, we know Yoruba original ancestors have others they conscripted as servants, votaries, chiefs, blacksmiths etc. In fact, E-M215 and E-M35 are quite common among Afro-Asiatic speakers. The linguistic group and carriers of E-M35 lineage have a high probability to have arisen and dispersed together from the region of origin of this language family. Amongst populations with an Afro-Asiatic speaking history, a significant proportion of Jewish male lineages are E-M35. Haplogroup E-M35, which accounts for approximately 18%[3] to 20% of Ashkenazi and 8.6% to 30% of Sephardi Y-chromosomes, appears to be one of the major founding lineages of the Jewish population. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-M215_(Y-DNA)) Yoruba ancestor's screenshot
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This is a classic Semitic person. I guess wailers, won't contest it!
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absoluteSuccess:Every ancient did have but only two groups says the same for creation! Yoruba and Classic Hebrew. Even in the might of Kemet,Persia,Assyria,Greek, Roman, etc,have no knowledge of an invicible God that created everything through manifestation of light! This is my point. |
absoluteSuccess:Oro is Ela; Ela is Eledumare! Ela ro wa was the chant that was the entrance word to understanding revelation from God,which Olifa chants. Obviously, God is all in Ela, which was the creating force of good and Evil, that manifest as Light of God. In Osa Ogunda : Eledumare made Hoo, which comprised of three of the most powerful elements contained in the “earth-dust” sprinkled from the Snail shell – Ogbon (wisdom), Imo (knowledge), and Oye (understanding). “Ro” means descend, as in the chant, Ela ro, Ela ro, Ela ro. It is said that Eledumare created Ogbon, Imo and Oye as an intermediary force for creating more beings. He tried to find a place for them to live, but they came back to Him, humming, and Eledumare swallowed them. They hummed inside him for millennia, so he had to get rid of them. Eledumare ordered them to “ro” descend, saying, “hoo-ro.” Oro, the solid matter, melted and was suspended in mid-air like jelly. Oro then dropped and “la” cracked into a new state called E-la, or Ela. Ela (the Spirit of Purity) functions in the Ifa divination complex as the embodiment of Ogbon, Imo, and Oye. Ela is the recognized authoritative source of communication and explanation of the nature of Eledumare and all his creation (Abiodun). In Odu Ogunda Ogbe, we find more reference to Oro: Okon kpoki, Erigidí kpií, adifa fun Oro nijo ti Oro wo orun kenge kenge. Who was the first to speak? Ela was the first to speak. Who was the first to communicate? Ela was the first to communicate. Who is this Ela? It was the Hoo which descended; That we call Ela. One-sharp-sound and one-loud-sound (“Ku” and “Ke”)are the names of the Awos who made divination for Oro when he was so ill that he thought he was going to die, (figure of speech) when he was looking forlornly at Orun from his spot hanging in the air. He was advised to make ebo with eko, akara, rat, fish and a chicken. After preparing the ebo, the Ifa priests told him to carry it on his head (ori) to Esu’s shrine. He was further told that on getting to the shrine, he was to back it and incline his head backwards in such a way that the ebo would drop on the shrine (acknowledging Esu as that liminal space between orun and aiye, dark and light). As soon as he allowed the sacrifice to drop on the Esu shrine, while still backing up to Esu, a voice instructed him to stretch his hands and feet forward. First, he stretched out his left limbs and next his right limbs (with Esu’s help, he makes the transition from the invisible plane to the visible plane. Left limbs darkness, right limbs light). The moment he did that, the disease that had afflicted his body to the point of incapacitation suddenly disappeared. From the shrine, he began to dance and sing towards the house in praise of the Awo. The Awo praised Ifa, and Ifa praised Eledumare. When he began to sing, Esu put a song in his mouth: ljo logo ji jo, erigidi kpii, erigidi. ljo logo ji jo, erigidi kpi-kpi-kpí, erigidí (Awo Dino) |
nlPoster:It was not even 10,000 years but around ±3000 years ago, which was pegged at 350 bce. Unfortunately, it is not supported by any archeological finding. |
kayfra, in ‘Art in Ancient Ife, Birthplace of the Yoruba by Professor Suzanne Preston Blier posited, ‘An early Ife date of c. 350 bce. purportedly based on radiocarbon (Folster in Ozanne 1969:32), cited by both Ogundiran (2002, p.c.) and Drewal (2009:80), has been rejected by Frank Willett (2004) and others for lack of supporting scientific evidence. I concur with this assessment'. Obviously from the calculation of the rejected oral postulations by oral account of 350 ,BCE, doesnt even match 3000 years of Yoruba existence in Nigeria, not to mention 10,000 years. I am sure, you put your hope in the Yoruba calendar that predated Africa's Yoruba's history. Kindly do your extra research before you assume such to be real. Cheers |
kayfra, in ‘Art in Ancient Ife, Birthplace of the Yoruba by Professor Suzanne Preston Blier posited, ‘An early Ife date of c. 350 bce. purportedly based on radiocarbon (Folster in Ozanne 1969:32), cited by both Ogundiran (2002, p.c.) and Drewal (2009:80), has been rejected by Frank Willett (2004) and others for lack of supporting scientific evidence. I concur with this assessment'. Obviously from the calculation of the rejected oral postulations by oral account of 350 ,BCE, does even match 3000 years of Yoruba existence in Nigeria, not to mention 10,000 years. I am sure, you put your hope in the Yoruba calendar that predated Africa's Yoruba's history. Kindly do your extra homework before you assumed
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kayfra:10,000 Years is incorrect because archeological finding didn't supports your assumption or view! |
kayfra:There is no logic in the school of thought of scholarly world because research work with fact to back it up is what's acceptable . If logic was tenable, Yoruba's postulation as the people who birthed the world would have been easily accepted! . As simple as ABC, you and I are not on the same terrain intellectually because you are knowledgeable within the context of English and I have your knowledge and Ideograms! So, logic is strange to cosmology of Yoruba's worldview! . It is even erroneous for your thought or imagination,that Yoruba people lived all their lives in West Africa because, renowned Yoruba scholars agreed, Yoruba's Ileife had moved from place of origin for more than Six times. In fact, you're so english oriented because, you seem to underrated Yoruba ancestors, when in fact,they don't have knowledge of being naked in their life times. May be you thought they were barbarian. A group of people that is called developed people in medevial area who drove well constructed nails into an Ivory! Samuel Johnson writes: … it tapers to a point, and has upon one face several spike nails driven into it, and carvings as of ancient characters. The nail arranged in such an ordered manner as to them significant. First, there are 61 in a straight line from the bottom upwards at intervals of 2 inches in midline; and next, at about a distance of 4 inches on either side of this, and from same level on top, two parallel lines of 31 each running downwards and curving bel meet those of the midline. Then in the between these three rows of parallel line about the level where they converge, is found most conspicuous of the carvings. I don't have time for this! Come up witj good defence mechanism. |
FrLukas:Jerk? I take it for a joke! Meanwhile, Culture do borrow but in this magnittude? It is impossible to share words that are strange to Africa but currently residents in West Africa. Anyway, here are the answers to your questions: 1a.Ela is the name of the creator of mankind in Yoruba's religion. b. The wisdom of God c. Light of God d. The spirit being that created heaven and earth e.The word of authority f. Breath of life to mankind g.The one who apportion destiny 1h.The one who everyone must worship every morning as Orisa(Ori) to give one a befitting life devoid of calamity etc 2. I didn't formulate my information because it is strange to you? Either you believe or not, it is the bitter truth. Ela (without diacritic) is the powerful creator of (Ala); light,white, purity in Yoruba lexicon,which was the word that came out of void to manifest creation in Yoruba's ifaodu. You can verify anywhere! |
kayfra:.......‘ A Dictionary Of The Yoruba Language'. Enjoy it
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kayfra:It is in my discovery, that the reason most of your type surf the culture section is basically to learn and we shall continue to inform you,because geologist need explain factors that are involved in changes in climatic condition which cause migration. Besides, it only show you that Yoruba ancestors were not from Africa because non shared such close similar cognate Òkin and Tooke , which existed over 3000 years in Hebrews Ancient ideograms language ? Seriously , You're a clown. Contrary to your point, Tolotolo,which the name Yoruba call Turkey existed before 1911 dictionary that is been used by Yoruba people. Are you saying over 100 years Dictionary is lying new ? You can do better. Mind you, it is not my intention to proof a selfish point through my work but to expose you to certain information that nearly all take with levity.English :Turkey French: dinde, dindon German: Truthahn, Truthenne, Puter, Pute Italian: tacchino Portuguese: peru Russian: индюк Spanish: pavo, Costa Rica: chompipe Mexican standard usage: guajolote Southeastern Mexico: totol Cuba: guanajo Colombia : pisco Did Yoruba loaned it from Mexico ? Here is the screenshot on English's ‘Turkey'!Perhaps, the intellectuals, scientists, wise men,kings, chiefs etc did justice to Yoruba's language even names of animals according to the descriptive nature! |
Obalufon:European or Western researchers didn't merge us together but Africa's colonialists did,which made everything disorderly. Besides, archeological finding has been the pivotal motivation behind European research work, which make them to emphasis on postulation that can make a connection between dark skin and other variant of Caucasians.The word white Race was coined around 17th century is sneaked into English language's lexicon to appeal to a light in complexion group of people with some characteristics As far I am concerned the ethnographers vacuum you demanded, aren't lacking because many have done great job on it. In fact, a Harvard University Professor Gérard Chouin, Suzanne Blier amongst others are doing some great work but they can't actually captured the interpretation of Yoruba's sculpture work and purpose of those work. The ancient form of writing are coded in pictograph, heiroglyph cuneiform and only those experts in these writing can interpret these lettering. |
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