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macof:
I am now one of your obsessions... Disgusting

irrelevant post from uncultured Edo macof. I mock you

AreaFada2:
Olu, by now I have openly stated my origins on both Edo and Yoruba side you were free to verify. I have also in the past stated my family oriki too.

I read this basic research work the day it became available. So no need to cut and paste for me. While the work is commendable, It still proves nothing. More work is ongoing.

What I am saying is a targeted test of both Ife and Benin royalties. Not random ones that can yield anything and interpreted to fit whatever theories.

Well,I don't need doubt any body's origin or you even if you're Yoruba or not except you infringe on my ancestral bloodline. Obviously, people like you are in Yoruba land who are with identity issue/problems because, you kept claiming what is inappropriate about dna bloodline of Ileife and Bini as if both location are contemporary? Lol. You seemingly dont have deep knowledge how bloodline are arranged in kingly setting in Yoruba land.So let me teach you as follows:

First of all the kingly lineage in Yoruba land are arranged along patrilineal and matrilineal method. And patrilineal are often enthroned as king in Yoruba land. So, where do you want to start from ?

Secondly, Ileife in Nigeria is a spiritual home to Yoruba descendants, of the pioneer settlers in this vast land who had unique form of development or civilization that marvel the world at large even her neighbours. And these people whose lineage are known as kingly lineage,priestly, noble,votaries, servants, slaves lineage, who did spread outside the ileife ,with princes, paraphenia of office as prince- king, panegyric, Crowns, priests, Yoruba language and other offices holder followed after the leader of the group who is the prince king,while over all kings resides in Ileife etc to affirm to oral migration from ileife. Mind you there are other lower prince- kings that left Ileife without crowns. Are they not prince or princes too ? Where do you start your so called dna test from ?

So, as far as I am concern, you're chasing after a wild goose to support you weakly view on dna traces. Perhaps, if you're indeed interested in this finding, you can approach the Yoruba authority on traditional matters to seek who want to be tested for dna link ,so that we can see how to link any part of the world or Edo land with Yoruba bloodline. Interestingly, my own part of Yoruba bloodline are of light skin , bronze look,chocolate and dark skin, with curly hair, even dreadlocks . I was a dreadlocks but cut it after some years of ritual performance as usual. And my twin children are both dreadlocks with curly hair as I had it when I was younger. May be you want to explain to me how , I have a kind of curly associated with Caucasian, without knowledge of whatsoever of any white man link that my dad dint tell it to me!

Perhaps, you will explain to us, if Bini royal bloodline have such vividly ? I await you.

AreaFada2:
So excavation is just starting in your area? Go around the world and see
When it comes to science or anything DNA, you will have to come to this world many times to know anything about DNA. I can even invite you to one of the best places it's done. I wonder why you guys just yap and never take up any challenges. Fear of failure I know. Contact me off line and you can see for yourself. Don't even go into molecular biology, genetics or human body when talking to me. Avoid displaying more ignorance.

In Yorubaaland bragging is normal. Not so in Midwest. So I challenge you to prove what you say in real life.

Toast of former Yoruba slaves in Diaspora. Benin never sold themselves so no slave diaspora.

Those slave descendants Ooni of Ife goes to visit. I guess remorse is in order for selling Yoruba people. It's on record that the far better advanced and progressive Benin banned slave trade long before 1807.

The recent excavation is playing catch up. Even the Benin influenced Owo has been long excavated as you can see at Owo museum at Olowo palace.

Well, I will pay for 10 each on both Benin and Ife side. Let others pay for more until we reach a statistically reliable number. I never claimed to be Bill Gates to pay for hundreds. Let's even begin with the 20 and see the trend first. Meanwhile the test will be at a top lab in Europe. Not some local Lagos lab.
You should also put your money where your mouth is and pay for 20 too. Not just cheap talk.

Are you really new to DNA traces ? I just can't understand you and your like minds,with bloodline link between Bini kingly bloodline and Yoruba kingly bloodline to verify which is older ? I guess you don't follow up research work from one of the pioneer researchers on Dna in the person of Professor David Reich's ,on dna traces in West Africa. Apart from his, so many dna traces and the years of departure of all hominids from one and another has been proposed by many scientists.

Even recently, it is said once again that ...DNA analysis of people in West Africa reveals 'ghost' human ancestor. Interestingly, these group mentioned are mende ,Yoruba ,Esan, a group in Gambia,who are of linked to Yoruba ancestry. Unfortunately, Bini is not mentioned, which support some fact that Yoruba people's ancestors were the hominid that birthed the second group of mankind, which Yoruba split from.

Read more: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2233488-dna-analysis-of-people-in-west-africa-reveals-ghost-human-ancestor/#ixzz6FnNa8bxb

Kindly show me your Oviedo group from dna traces from research work if such exist in Bini separately or older than Yoruba bones . I wait for your own research work. Omode O ma ela o li oun mo ela kata kata,lai ma pe ela kata kata oba ija ni. It seems you people don't know that matrilineal link is what you people in Edo have a lot in common with Yoruba people, except the Eweka and descendants that are link to our ancestors. Oga Ogun is the patrilineal father of Odede(Oranmiyah) and Ogun is over 200 years older than oba ogusua of new kingdom called Bini, from tge land of Igodomigodo.

Note: The knowledge of flood as a tool for destroying hominids at one time or the other,which researchers calculated over 11,600+ years ago.

Yoruba have history of Oru that was destroyed by flood

Hebrew have the history of Or that was destroyed by flood.

Athens have the knowledge of the flood that destroyed this part in mesopatmia

Egypt have the knowledge of the flood that destroyed this place

People who lived but were saved in Atlantis itself have the knowledge of the flood that destroyed it.

If you dont know, Oru is part of my oriki- panegyric as Omo oru lo oru ako ko ; descendant of oru-world where sunlight emanate cum show forth heat over the earth, whose ancestors were the gatherer- noble and advanced mankind.


Question: Where is your Oviedo and flood history ?

AreaFada2:
Sure, mock at your own peril.

Oduduwa with heavenly chain. Was he a bungee jumper? Or Mount Everest climber. I hope he had an oxygen mask climbing up and down. Kikikikiki

While some black people have an inferiority complex to believe they must have a Tokunbo ancestor is beyond me. When clearly science shows that mankind originated from East, Central/West Africa area.

Very funny set of people.

My offer to pay for DNA tests for 10 people each from Benin & Ife royal families still stands. Let science decide objectively.

Just imaging this ignorant man! Have you no knowledge of DNA of different ethnic group being tested by different lab across the research world ? If Bini was known, why is Bini not mentioned ?

I tire for you with your egocentrism of payment of royal bloodline for test. So , supposedly, 10 people can determine the royal bloodline in the whole Yoruba land , even across the globe. You're definitely a grade 1 clown.

This is the reason, I laugh at some of you people without oriki because if you understand Yoruba lagos language ( dialect), then you know what Ifaodu corpus stand for? . Have you any tangible world heritage in Edo land? No wonder, no attention has ever been given you people. In fact, 400,000$ was awarded about three months ago to a group if people for continuous excavation project in Ileife. No wonder, Yoruba land is the toast of the world. Unfortunately I seek Edo, I find her not in existence.

macof:
your post was utterly irrelevant.
You are quite dull to be expecting me to partake in your quiz. Are you 10 years old or what?

A fool is a fool,no matter the training he passes through. Anyway, I know you're a perpetual liar and a cave man. Enjoy your ignorance.

macof:
this one disturbing me like a rat again

So, you can run and hide. Go to my post and answer the questions posited before you.

AreaFada2:
Lol. Do you know people have spent decades of research doing research into these things?
The languages are not even similar.
Whereas bodily needs to tell you that Igbira and Yoruba are similar or that Benin and Urhobo or Degema are very close.

Again educate yourself properly. It's not my argument. It's convergence of local history, poetry and modern scientific research.

As we already know our SW people think they have monopoly of cleverness. Anyone not doing their bidding is stupid. Only tribal supremacy is important. Truth has no meaning. Even SW people bold enough to be objective is called "omale".
Oduduwa was an exiled Benin Prince. He didn't didn't descend from any bloody mountain, from any chain from heaven or magically wander across any God-forsaken Sahara desert from Israel or Arabia. The versions are so many that you should be ashamed telling your kids such humbug.

Quite pathetic for people who revel in and boast about being educated.

Just imaging your ignorance ? Oduduwa was exiled prince ? I mock you .

macof,

It is obvious you have no knowledge of accent, so let me live to your mirage until you realise, you and I are distantly apart farther than from Cairo to Katsina. But I have few questions for you to test your Semitic language. Kindly post your own dialect interpretation of these word and phrases :

1.Mercenary
2. he accompanies
3. She accompanies
4. One accompanies
5. Accompany
6.he walks with
7. She walks with
8. One walks with

2prexios:
Very insightful post. I love that you mentioned weariness. Juggling life and other stuffs and doing this on the internet. I must tell you we are mistaken making post upon post out here.

My wife always have issues with me doing this. She asked if it's some kind of cultism discussion going on. And why the negative words.
.What are we doing here bro? We are not different from the prodigal son, with generational blessings, he think of nothing else to do but squandered all. And for what end exactly?

For Yoruba? Really?

Is this the Yoruba we were sent to? Is this the avenue to reach them? We are dining with swine's here bro. I realized that of late. God planted the swines here to push us to the true task he formed us for.

I agree with you that it's time to stop dining with swine and do the needful. You bring the best in you here and offer it, macof brings nothing but destroy whatever you bring. The Pearl and the swine, how do they connect?

He's smart, he brings nothing to the discussion table. As such, he has nothing to lose, but you know what? You and I have everything we have to lose. Time, confidence, convenience and possibly convictions.

Has he ever offer you a piece of material that forms his believe or principles? You're dealing with an original agent of Satan. A man without valid integrity. The best is to resist the devil, not to contend with it.

He's subtle and you can never win him in his game. You are not playing the game he's playing, neither am I. So I go with your offer to stop squandering the insights we have received so far. It's already been tested.

Archimedes said "give me a place to stand and I will move the world" this is not the place to stand to move the world, it's the idea that you have that must spark and move the whole world. You move the world with your book, not here.

Stop dealing with this unhealthy fellow, sooner or later it will wear you out insulting your dad. He's having the fun of his life and if you continue, you might lose your value. I have stopped on this page dealing with a fellow like that.

I will like to contribute to the making of your book buddy. I will provide you a thousand copy of 100 pages for free if you can make it happen. That should get you busy and out of here till December.

I know it's a hard habit to break, hence I rather use my wife's fone. Put your efforts in your own works, it will speak in the future, not here and now.

Allow macof to teach the Yoruba what they are supposed to know.

Read more, improve on your content presentation, trim off the clutters and you are good. You are versed enough sir. Most of all, drop the "Oduduwa hegemony" to allow even flow of ideas into your plot.

Do we have a deal?

I appreciate your understanding and compliment. It is highly noted.

On the Oduduwa's followers hegemony over the so called Obatala followers,which is basically a religious issue before harmonisation in a closely knitted fold. This is because, Oba ti Ala,seemingly reflects white,purity god. While Odu da Iwa is linked to Ela( Orunmiela),who is also light,white ,wisdom of God,creator etc. Therefore, I perceived the arrival of two major pioneers people of spoken Yoruba language were both earlier form Islam and Coptic- Ifaodu Christians.

Obviously, this can never be written off in Yoruba speaking people's history. The reason being a sub clan of IleIfe through Oluigbo always desire to have his own side of this family enthroned as Ooni. Unfortunately, Opa Oranmiyan is owned and erected by Coptic-Ifaodu Priest King of Oshin, Ogun etc group. And if you ask me to drop my ancestral identity, then, you want our faces to be erased from plant earth. Do need I infer that Samuel Ajai Crowther,who once claimed Odudiwa was a female which was wrong ,because he was ignorant of many things from my above information because, Odudawa group are never members of Ogboni, which was formed by Obatala group, originally from inception until some Court became a reformed one before mid 19th century. My late father told me certain information to make us not inline with Obatala group even if there is cohesion. For example, our names are carefully formed within Yoruba classic language.

Plainly, the Oranmiyan obelisks speaks of a coptic - ifaodu group, in wish IwA & Ashe is the basis of it . IwA , is Ela(orunmiela) personality with a perfect, and established characters's signature that has been implanted in Nigeria's IleIfe for 1000+ years.



Note: Do do you think anyone can wake up and chose to break a code that has been written 1000s+ years ago without element of inner Ashe through divinity ? Intellectual prowess can't just break such code easily that is damn paleography. So I thread gently to avoid egocentrism.


Secondly,I may not choose to ignore the hegemony of IWA because it has nothing to do with me but history and the shy away characters of the group that brought this knowledge. So ,respect is reciprocal.

Lastly, we have a deal as you said because, I know ‘ka ri ka po yi yè ni yè èní ' . Although with a condition that will be attached to it in the future.

bigfrancis21:
What does nikan in Yoruba mean in English?

This word can be defined or interpreted according to diacritic sign on it. Though, nikan can mean the following: only,have one etc.

macof:
Most of this doesn't even address the post you quoted.

I don't see how Yod and Resh are represented in the obelisk... That is what you should have addressed

And from your quotes as well as my picture, it is clear that nobody has an accurate interpretation of the studs. Reason more research needs to be conducted... It's ok to declare a topic inconclusive and work towards gaining further insight rather than jumping to conclusions


First of all Resh is not pronounced as "Risha" but simply as "Resh"
Secondly, the Hebrew term for head is not Rii but "Rash" (רֹאשׁ) from where the name for the first alphabet in the word finds its source, reason the alphabet is represented by a head.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnCPYRGc5MA

So if you are to teach me something, teach it right

The quotes basically testified to that fact that the written inscriptions on the obelisk is not of Africa's pride empire called Egypt because it has been established that the Yoruba ancestors produced machinery tools as well as simple tools such as nails, armour headgear,weaopons etc assumably around 100BC for the use .If you consider the inscriptions, weight of the obelisks, the orderly inserting the nails laboriously to make a meaning and erecting it upwardly, then you know such fit can never be done by amateurs. Having affirmed this,is the reason that made all the interpreters of the obelisk to agree that the inscriptions definitely isn't Hieroglyphs but Semitic group which is said to be Resh and Yod. The idea of it. being Trident or Classic Hebrew signature became the ideal view of these interpreters.

Permit to infer here that even these people can't understand the meaning because the inscription you posted has not been interpreted by anyone which I can successfully do the interpretation because I know what it means. Even Yoruba scholar, or anyone can easily know what it means if you can understand Classic Hebrew. But what do I need gain if I exposed what had been coded 1000+ years years ago and I do such interpretation in a forum as this? Never will I do so ,except when my book is ready .Therefore there is no hassle on me from that part.


On the resh you issue, don't get too in rush to establish something you see online as the basis for your justification. Besides, the pictographs or inscription or ideograms are transliterated and translated using English alphabets. The question is : Is the English language the Classic Hebrew ? No, the English language isnt Classic Hebrew. Although let's use your understanding of English language to do the translation and transliteration.


Classic Hebrew: רֵישׁ

Transliteration: re'sh

Translation: raysh


On Yoruba alphabets: The ways Yoruba alphabets being used to form words do have slight problem because of some errors. For example:

English (i) (IPA): /aɪ/
(IPA): /aɪ/

Yoruba(e) (IPA): /eɪ/
(IPA): /æɪ/
(IPA): /æ/ is replaced with( i ) when writing but not when pronunciation takes place.

Therefore,Resh is pronounced as rish(rêsh-a),which I posted. Apart from the pronunciation, the reconstruction of Classic Hebrew is spoken language is what western researchers are doing which is thw reason, in the scholarly world, the classic Hebrew is wrongfully pronounced dead,which I intend to proof as false claim.

2prexios:
I'd miss some of your input.

We might not agree on some issues, it's not hard feeling. We are humans working with ancient tradition, there's room for differences because we are not an artificial intelligence machine.

We are not also thinking from the same brain as we are capable of coming out with a divergent view that is connected in the core. The core being future discoveries.

The Egyptian connection to this work is very fact. The Egyptians control the Levant at the time of the patriarchs no doubt. They disdain the bedoins as sanddwellers.

The armana letters shows where the power house was at the time, and the letters confirmed the Bible as a carefully writing historical source for the time.

Adonizedek was complaining bitterly about the Invaders. He was really sick of them. You know that's the name of the king of Jerusalem killed by Joshua?

That validate the Bible character from another source back in the remotest time.

Pardon me bro. I have been a bit here and there. And thank you for your compliment. Sometimes, I away from online commentary out of weariness. So accept my apology.

Besides, I have not seen much from you lately and some other guys who are actually doing justice to mysterious identity of the Yorubas, either via internal influence or external influence which some of us are opening the eyes of other people who underestimated Yorubas footprint in their original abode to migrants status across the globe.


On the Armana pictographs, of the Egyptian control over Israel after the fall to Babylonia is likened to present day Nigeria, when Britain is partially controlling and influencing Yoruba Nation at the detriment of rightful people to the throne and posts across board.Although Yoruba religion support divine authority to any position which has made Yoruba people persevere in whatever position one find himself or herself.

On the account of Joshua's biblical history,the man was actually half caste,like many other Classic Hebrews because his mother was actually called a black woman from Ethiopia/Kush linked. And, the man was actually spiritual and physically strong,which account for his great exploit and killing of Adonisedeq,who was the Canaanite king at that time.

On the divergency, I guess it is normal for us to share different view because as you had opined,that I agreed that even identical twin don't share same view often. Although, I posit my view based on my palaeography knowledge of mine and knowledge of Yoruba oral history, inscriptions,panegyric, which is what remain the basis for my work,which I intend working on to justify my book,that I intend to publish in some years to come.



Cheers for now

macof:
The 5 points you have made here actually contradict themselves in several places.
First you quote Johnson, then quote Fatunbi who draws a critic on everything people think they see on the obelisk, then in 3 you quote someone who interpretes the studs as lifespan and length of reign of Oranmiyan only to say the person is wrong, if you knew the person is wrong, why quote them
then in 4 , the person you quote says the studs are shaped into a 't' trident- just wtf is a t trident
and in 5 you repeat your point 2.

so what exactly have you achieved with this post? is this not irrelevant as you are known for?

Here is the picture of the studs on the Opa Oranyan and tell me where you see a Resh and Yod ( ר י)
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Here is an article by Claudia Zaslavsky the author of "Africa counts", here she references johnson respecfully and uses the reviews of William Fagg and Frank Willet to set things straight

The major problem you have is inability to carefully comprehend things to be objective ,instead you are quick to post information that the writers hardly understood the language except through transliteration and translation from Classic Hebrew, Aramiac, Greek to English language.

From the above, let me correct you with the fact that in all the postulation of these researchers, it was either agreed that the name oranyan is not Hieroglyph of Egypt but Hebrew origin which is resh and Yod. Unfortunately for you, it seems, you're desperate to counter what you don't have knowledge on because what you posted ,by the so called Resh and Yod ( ר י) isn't correct . Here are the following Classic Hebrew for reish/resh and Yod/Yud

Reish: ר [ ɣ ] רֵישׁ

The Reish is represented by letter ‘r '.The Reish is pronounced as Yoruba's risha (while æ is pronunced with nasal tone) ,and at times, it is also pronunced as rii,which is the letter ‘r' to mean Ori(head) in Yoruba. While, it is represented by a picture of a man's head.

Furthermore,the word you copied and posted
as (ר י) simply transliterate as riy, which is in many quarters is defined as, to see,vision, visual organ etc. Do I need explain to you how it came about? Perhaps, once you're willing to pay for my service, then I will teach you.


Yod/Yud: י[i] יוֹד

Yod/Yud : yod ; which is created by yod+waw+ dalet. This is represented by letter y or i and represented by picture of a ‘peg '.

These were what they called Reish and Yod that's strictly Classic Hebrew in origin. Either Claudia Zaslavsky respect Ayo Ogun or not, the fact is that Ayo Ogun didn't know the meaning of the inscription on Opa Oranmiyan because it is agreed, it is ‘Trident'. And the Trident is seen in many culture of the world as associated to different things.

ghostwon:
And you still haven't managed to understand that given that your ancestors couldn't write, your monument is a fraud !

So Yoruba ancestors had no written inscription ? Lol
Kindly read book so that you will be vast. In Ileife,
the Opa Oranmiyan, has written characters on it which many researchers such as Fatunbi,Dennette, Ayo Ogun, Wi Lizz, Siclus, Slideboom , have agreed and it has written character on the staff and inscription of trident (t) in it , which actually pointed to the direction of Yoruba ancestors a point in history had developed some forms of ancient writing that is evident in Ifa corpus (signatures) walls of Oluorogbo, Akire and Obalejugbe Shrines in Ile-Ife.


Note: Don't give yourself headache over Yorubas ancestors achievement in West Africa cum Subsahara Africa.

ghostwon:
It is funny that you will tell such a blatant lie and expect anybody to believe you.
Your ancestors had no written language.
Your statement therefor makes no sense.

You are just on a tribalistic quest. Telling lies and trying to decieve in order to defend Yoruba dogmas.

I see you are telling me that I claim oranmiyan never existed with no proof.
Well it is impossible to prove that a fictional character never existed, unless the fictional character has features which are not possible for human beings ( like oduduwa climbing down the sky with an iron chain). The burden of proof is on the person who claims someone existed.

"ghodiduwa was the first man to swim, he was from Lagos, he had three children, they discovered medicine and they spread their knowledge across the region."
I guess the burden of proof is upon the unbeliever ! If you don't believe my story then show proof ghodiduwa never existed !

So Yoruba ancestors had no written inscription ? Lol

2prexios:
Hello, it's been a while. Hope you good?

I am good and you? Thanks brother.

macof:
Even the Hebrew you claim to know we haven't seen the result of this master fluency in classical Hebrew in your attempt to link it to Yoruba

We have dealt with this, I specifically opened a thread for you to go wild with your knowledge only for you to make more ludicrous baseless claims and turning the whole thread into a shit show
Knowledge can be verified, this your own knowledge na only your imagination e dey

Just to save face,you keep drifting from one angle to another . Well done. Mind you, if it was my imagination, then researchers with names won't pass any comment as the following :

1. According to Johnson (1921:146), the iron studs are suggestive to represent Hebrew letter Resh and Yod

2. Fatunbi, commenting on the Oranmiyan obelisk writes, “There is the image of a trident made iron spikes on the obelisk,” but Williams and their 1998 article do not pay much attention to the nail design on the obelisk, they just write one side of the staff are some faded carving in explicably there are some nails driven into it and it is glaring that there are discrepancies in observations of Dennett and Johnson Oranmiyan obelisk. The total numbers of nails seen on Oranmiyan obelisk by both of them do not tally apart from fact that where Dennett sees “horn and Johnson sees “ancient characters”- Resh Yod. The fact that one sees horn and axe the other sees “ancient characters” does mean that the characters engraved on the Opa Oranmiyan are not hieroglyphs – but Resh and Yod.
The written character on the staff actually gave us a clue to the fact that Yoruba at a point in history had developed some forms of ancient writing that is evident in Ifaodu corpus (signatures) in walls of Oluorogbo, Akire and Obalejugbe Shrines in Ile-Ife.

3. Wi Lizzie and others, in a 2008 article express view that “The meaning of these is unknow the interpretation of Johnson in connection the design is that:

“… the 61 nails in midline represent the number of years Oranyan lived, and that the 31 years either side indicates that he was 31 when he began to reign, and he reigned 31 years, that he began to reign being counted twice as manner of the Yorubas;”

It is not appropriate to interpret the arrangement of the nails as the numbers of years Oranmiyan lived and reigned. In the first place, if the ca on the obelisk are not regarded as “horn and axe but ancient characters – hieroglyphics definitely means the artists that designe obelisk was not a stranger to the writing cult Egypt. The Egyptians did not just write alone, they also wrote numbers because hieroglyphs accommodated both the writing of words and large numbers.

4.. Slideboom in 2011 says, ‘The significance of the arrangement of the nails can on comprehended if it is viewed from a perspective as a ‘t' trident. Among the Yoruba, it was connected with Poseidon of the Greece, by  Professor Leo Frobenious, a German School Newafrican (2010) writes “This was definitely a mistake, but the artwork in the city Ile-Ife was so sophisticated that it was easy to mistake it to that of Greek culture.

5. Fatunbi, commenting on the Oranmiyan obelisk writes, “There is the image of a trident made iron spikes on the obelisk,” but Williams and their 1998 article do not pay much attention to the nail design on the obelisk, they just write one side of the staff are some faded carving in explicably there are some nails driven into it and it is glaring that there are discrepancies in observations of Dennett and Johnson Oranmiyan obelisk. The total numbers of nails seen on Oranmiyan obelisk by both of them do not tally apart from fact that where Dennett sees “horn and Johnson sees “ancient characters”- Resh Yod. The fact that one sees horn and axe the other sees “ancient characters” does mean that the characters engraved on the Opa Oranmiyan are not hieroglyphs – but Resh and Yod.

Commenting on one of the characteristics of hieroglyph writings Siculus writes:
From this explanation, it is clear that Dennet sees the shape of the letters in animal and implied forms while Johnson sees the letter per se as ancient form does in any way justify the differences they in the area of the number of nails on the obelisk. The discrepancies in their observation  not withstanding, the two of them still present design of the nails on the obelisk to be of t formation. This unique design -the t arrangement of the nails – is more than embellishment; it has symbolic meanings.


Note:
From the above commentators, how is it my imagination of the ancestors of the dynasty founders of Yoruba people to be from west Africa? What does the trident (pitchfork )mean in Classic Hebrew or Yoruba's writing culture or west African culture ? Why does subsahara not anything like the obelisk in their culture ? Why are Yoruba work compared with western culture and not Africans of subsahara groups ? Perhaps, you will explain it to us,since you have more advance Yoruba knowledge than many of us .

AreaFada2:
Lol. You have very little knowledge Olu. Anything that doesn't fit into your narrow tribal prism is automatically misleading.

Lots of Edo names survive. But that's not even in doubt because I go to these places and I know.
Olu are you going to tell me my history in Yorubaland?

Benin was the centre of an empire. So it was necessarily accommodating. People from across the empire are part of Benin elite today. Those who distinguished themselves especially. Let me remind you that the great-great grandfather of current Gov. Obaski came from Anioma. Obaseki was a chieftaincy title Oba Ovonramwen created specially for his childhood friend when he became King. The father of the childhood friend had accompanied Oba Adolor (Father of Ovonramwen) from Anioma exile to win the tussle for his throne.

Empires accommodate. Rome adopted Greek gods when they conquered Greece. Such as Diana, Zeus, etc. Even Egyptian gods like Horus, Isis, etc.

Naturally Eastern Yoruba who moved to imperial capital came with their deities so how is that surprising? It's even a sign of power that various ethnicity groups flourish across the land under vassal kings/chiefs.

Only Oyo was an Empire in SW and I expect it would have had several ethnic groups in what is now North Central.

Do not take the accommodating nature typical of ALL empires as a sign of weakness, quite the contrary.

However, relatively small homogeneous Yoruba states could never be that tolerant. You are either Yoruba or nothing. Even today if there are 4 Yoruba people in a gathering of 15, they automatically begin speaking Yoruba, oblivious of others present.

Lagos today is quite unique having being under various influences over the centuries and as a former Federal capital. Including Oba of Lagos. a Benin prince. Abeg spare us of story of how Idejo own the land in Lagos blah blah. Benin were never out to dispossess people of land. Benin always had enough "Lebensraum".

Ole-Okun is an indigenous Benin goddess. Is it not surprising that the landlocked Ife has a great Olokun tradition? It most likely came from Benin that has proximity to water bodies both rivers and the Atlantic. Oba Olua of Benin even sent his son Iginuwa to go and be the Lord of the Seas (Ogiame), with olokun priests. He is now Ogiame Olu of Warri.

I know that tribal pride won't let you be objective. I on the other hand have far better reasons to be objective.

Today on Edo State TV, news is read in Benin, Esan, Urhobo, Afemai, Izon, Yoruba, Igbo and other languages. Imperial past rooted various people in Edo/Benin long before Midwest and the people celebrate this diversity.

Remember too that Benin suffered the worst marginalisation under the British. While they rewarded the mostly pliable Yoruba kings and their lands. Including physically stopping people coming from Akure to pay homage to Oba Eweka II in 1914. They did all they could to diminish Benin influence. Including refusing to build self-funded schools in Benin area. They are all in the archives in Westminster. So Yoruba grew in education and strength and became more united as a tribe. Unlike the eras of internecine Yoruba wars some generations back. So population politics began to make Yoruba more dominant and began deciding to write everyone's history.

All I can infer here is that, the above had been trashed out in years past . Therefore I won't go there anymore. Let me enlighten you, ifa corpus has record in some odu such Ogunda to mention one, which mention creation, populating the world in that corpus, that use Adekunle as figurative speech of the one who birthed; thus it has do with birth ( creation/recreation) .

Interestingly Yoruba use elision and contration which you failed to know because you're not Yoruba, even if some of you people are related to Yoruba's . The name Olokun is of Yoruba origin in Ifaodu, Yoruba's religious account, origin, philosophy, etc is a contration of Olohun/Eluohon/Olorun/Elu orun( owner) and Okun( ocean). This relate to power form of water and birth. Infaodu, the spiritual forces that are key elements in Ifaodu corpus in fertilit. So, if you want to learn more about Yoruba ifaodu ,then you need be prepared for it which is learned as an apprentice for 15/20 years , or more , which doesn't stop one even after such individual has been set free and ordained Olifa/onifa /adifa. Invariably, it is a life learning process.


Note: Stop distortion of history because you don't want Yoruba to lord over you.So, stop this misinformation.

macof:
@lawani
This is not my business as both Egyptian and semitic origin of yoruba holds no water but its interesting how every single one of you who are adamant on a "into West Africa migration of yoruba language and civilization" don't agree on a single point
Everyone is so dependent on their imagination

@olu
Every single question you have here is valid as scrutiny against lawani yet similar questions you cannot answer for your claim on Hebrews

How is it that you become a good critic and wish to be analytic when it came to Egypt but all that drops when it comes to Hebrew
@nlposter, kayfra are you seeing this?

macof, I have answered many questions through my paleography knowledge and the transliteration . But your uncultured vulgar words pisses one off because, you are contesting what you don't have knowledge, which is highly shocking. Therefore, if you want intellectual juxtaposition, then rebrand yourself and I will teach you more on Classic Hebrew's language. In fact,the comparison between the Hebrew block letters that came into use after the Babylonian captivity (that commenced about 586 BC), the proposed original alphabet of "Proto-Hebrew" and the Egyptian Hieroglyphs may have been the basis for many of the letters. (from Douglas Petrovich)

Additionally, the discovery of many other alphabetic inscriptions in the Canaan area dated to the period from 1200-1050 BC helped facilitate the understanding of This lettering and its migration which was also found in Egypt.

Mind you, I am from an ancestor whose is from ‘Oru', which imminent in my general oriki. And it is of good note that,Oru/Or, are true cognate with same in meaning.

AreaFada2:
There is a misunderstanding. First Yoruba deny Benin controlled swathes of areas in Eastern Yorubaland. Up to Otun in Northern Ekiti. That place demarcated Oyo Empire from Benin Empire. Once people accept that historical fact then we can start from there. And begin to understand how Yoruboid people have been and are integral part of Benin and Edo in general.

At the time Benin interacted with what is now Yoruba, the term Yoruba did even exist. You were Ijebu, Owo, Ekiti, Awori, Egba, Ife, Oyo, Akure, etc.

The word that it crystallised into to describe Edoid-Yoruboid people is Edo n'Ekue (Ado-Akure). Irrespective of origin in Eastern Yorubaland. So officially we still do not call it Yoruba because Yoruba as a tag gained popularity much later.

As an Ado-Akure, I can authoritatively say this. Even though my Yoruba links is not with Akure. My family in the area still produce a first class Oba in Yorubaland and has been same since centuries.

Ado-Akure people are very privileged in Edo. With my relatives alone having produced commissioners, a vice chancellor, central bank director, host of palace chiefs, a Duke/Enogie (since over 200 years), senior civil servants, etc.
We visit relatives in Yorubaland frequently.

Only some people do not master Yoruba language well nowadays, but they do not master Benin language either.

In the last 200 years, Ado-Akure has produced 2 Benin Traditional Prime Ministers/Iyase, who is second in command to the Oba. Though not hereditary, he is the only person who can publicly disagree with the Oba without any sanctions. One of them, Chief Okoro-Otun was probably the longest serving Iyase in Benin history. He was Iyase to three Obas in the 1800s.

In my opinion it's blessing to straddle the cultural divide.

News is read in Yoruba on Edo State Television.

I know that if you do not toe the tribal line of our Southwest people, they are often not inclined to listen. Or even resort to verbal tirade.

Yoruboid people of Edo are not complaining. No need for those from outside to Stoke ethnic propaganda.

Stop misinforming jaare.Why did your Edo language didn't survive in those places ? Why didn't any deity of edo Origin found in these area ? You even bear Yoruba names in Edo land. Smh

lawani:
I don't know how to use this android phone to post links but you can search with keywords yorubic itsekiri Obama, you will find a work written by some itsekiri writers in 2010. I don't agree with all they say though but it serves to show the link between Yoruba and kemitic Egyptian.

It seems you think that I am novice of some sort on this subject matter. Sir, I know paleography and I am familiar with written books by Yorubas or Africans or western researchers on Yoruba and even with the so called language of spoken in Egypt at one time or the other. However, kindly answer the following questions if you think Yoruba didn't traveled from Mesoptamia through Egypt and West Africa Nigeria.

1. Why did the Yoruba language you claimed to be Egyptian's not written in hieroglyphs ?

2. Why was a siniatic language different from the real Classic Hebrew found in Egypt ?

3. Why were the headgears of ancient Yoruba kings not like the ones found in Egypt?

4. Do you know the year the language left Egypt ?

5. Why didn't the Egyptian's kings head wear not having birds designed inscription in their crowns ?

6. Why isn't the opa oranmiyan obelisk not classified as Egyptian lettering but Hebrew's?



Let me stop here. And wait for your response .

Obalufon:
ibo macof ..

ModestGal:
Hi can I have your number? I enjoy your in depth knowledge of Yoruba history. I recently got an friend that introduced me to the fact that people in Mecca were not white, he said his family ties is from Arab, and it reminded me of the Yoruba we were thought in primary school to have been from Mecca. The reason why I never believed we were from Mecca was because of our dark skin, but since my friend (American), told me that Arabs were once black people, it has made me interested in history. Would love to connect with you. Thanks

I have added you up in my Whatsap.

ModestGal:
Hi can I have your number? I enjoy your in depth knowledge of Yoruba history. I recently got an friend that introduced me to the fact that people in Mecca were not white, he said his family ties is from Arab, and it reminded me of the Yoruba we were thought in primary school to have been from Mecca. The reason why I never believed we were from Mecca was because of our dark skin, but since my friend (American), told me that Arabs were once black people, it has made me interested in history. Would love to connect with you. Thanks

I have added you on my Whatsap digits.

@ Konquest,


Thank you for the compliment. I am really flattered. Although, on the account of a person, known as Boye, who took dna test as you mentioned can either be Yoruba or not who doesn't have no genetic link with, modern day Israelis,doesn't null the fact, that many Yoruba do have migrants status, which is found in families panegyric and Ifaodu corpus.

Besides, I don't see a person or 100+ people's DNA as the basis for genetic link of a diverse ethnic group as Yoruba who are basically bounded by religion of Ifaodu. The Yoruba people,are of both inclusive of the migrants group , who brought the knowledge of Ora to West Africa. Take for instance, the Yorubas in Americas,who have diverse Dna link to all people across the globe. One out of millions of them, is Charnissa Warren; an American woman with 36% dna link to Yoruba bloodline while she has both Neanderthal and Denisovan genetic link.

Therefore,it is pertinent to affirm here that, there are tons of books written about Yoruba ethnic groups, Kemet-Egypt, Ethiopia,Sudan kingdoms as well as Mesopotamia people in the era that thr place was a fertile land for cultivation. So, in Ypryuba culture, migrants comes into such folds, in which the earliest settlers are the aboriginal groups, who in this context became assimilated group with these migrants people because of religion, newer civilization and conquest( Your moniker Konquest )

Therefore, I am familiar with the following set of people in Yoruba's traditional oral history:

1. The migrants group that came with the knowledge of a religion called Ifaodu,that is centered on Ela(Orunmiela) ideology. This group call themselves as people who came from Oru~ Ora .And this group understand the name of God as Ela from Oru nmiela. This name meaning,‘ the light of God, wisdom, power, owner of mankind, destiny decider,one who mankind worship early morning when one wakes up etc,who created earth, mankind to populate the world.

2. The group of migrants that have a knowledge centered on Oba ti Ala, who waged war against the first migrants group because of religious difference as well as well the rightful one to the throne . This second group have knowledge of God known as ,one who reign over as ‘Ala'. Interestingly, meaning, ‘The one who is clothed in holiness, purity or white~ light God'.

3. The aboriginal group that were met or captured or who voluntarily were accepted and assimilated in the fold of the power that be, and these people became votaries, servants, slaves, husband, wives,princes or princesses, farmers, such as Akpoto group, element of Hausa groups,Tapa groups,Ibo element, and from nearly all over present day Nigeria . This is because there are sculpture heads, or other Art work, which support this postulation. For instance, the three whisker sculpture head, founs in Ileife, ’The birth place of Yoruba; This whisker scarification represents a an Hausa pattern of scarification on this face, is a bit close to Northern Yorubas of Yagba groups but it is a bit different because some Hausa do have such whiskers. Another amusing scarification is the type of ichi scarification found amongst the Ibos priests etc that was found at Ileife. Although there are artificial scarification, which are used when rituals are performed during such era,as found on Oonis. This form of scarification is always cleansed off.

From my postulation,based on written books on Yoruba Art work on Visual head,it is Obvious that the two group that waged war against one and other are likened to Islam and Coptic Christianity followers. How ? O ba ti Ala ( Allah) and Orunmi ela ( Ela ) are both central figure in Ifaodu, then one will understand it from this perspective of a struggle of religious dominance because both names identify with light ~ and purity,which sometimes, made the ifaodu more complex. This is the reason, we find people who claim, Ileife, mondina, mecca, Ora,Oru, orun, etc in Yoruba oral account. For instance, there are three account in Yoruba Creation myth, which involved, Obatala,Odudawa,and Orunmiela,And in all of these three, Ela creation myth remained more authentic because, the Ifaodu corpus says in one chapter, that Ela came as spirit being from mysterious inner place of abode to Aye/Aiye/Iye( life) to form man from soil. In ese ifaodu Ogunda, it says, ‘iri tu wiri wiri la fi da ile aiye'.

Furthermore, I posted two or more different headgears that represent crown of around late 100AD/1200 AD, in Yoruba land, which is closely same as the types found in Near East in origin, because apart from Yoruba group,no West Africans did use such at that point in times, even the Egyptians Pharaoh didn't use such such as stated below.Below are descriptive of some crowns worn in Southern Mesopotamia as compared with Yoruba's king

a) A headdress worn by south- ern Mesopotamian rulers in the late third and early second millennia B.C. is a wool cap

b) Later in the second millennium B.C. and early in the first millen- nium B.C. a high, fezlike cap was worn in Mesopotamia by nobles and kings.

c) Under the Achaemenid Persians a new crown with stepped crenellations made its appearance. This form, enriched by many elements such as crescent moons, sun rays, wings, and globes, became the royal crown of Sasanian kings.

Interestingly, this cap worn as wool is Akoro cap.In Kings, Crowns, and Rights of Succession: Obalufon Arts at Ife and Other Yoruba Centers,you will be amazed to see these types of Caps as worn in Near East. Even the medieval swords of Yorubas are of Northern Africa's types cum Mesopotamia.


Note: sorry for the late response.

Cheers.

macof:
Something tangible to advance your cause of directing yorubas towards the Hebrews is what I've been asking for
We both know none you can provide a sound argument
Just look at the other nincompoop

No! I don't need your help to support my research work because your blood is stained . Perhaps, you will help us link Yoruba Medieval Artifacts, pictographs and protolanguage within Hausa people, Ibo people or Bantu bloodline in Nigeria . מאכעף Olodo grandeur.  

Furthermore, you don't expect me to answer you, do you ? After all ,everything written on here to showcase my case is alien to your knowledge. Or do you haveknowledge of pictographs? Perhaps, if you pay me,then, I can teach you.And if not, I have no time to waste on your pathetic ignorance. Please, you're intellectually imbalance,so enjoy your ignorance at the peak.

absoluteSuccess:
Bro, our guest has exploded like a gunpowder. He's cunningly trying to direct us to a subterfuge, we asked him to use his own intelligence to interpret the antique poetry and this is what we have in return.

The outburst.

If I've followed his leading, would this have been his response? Guy is an 'electronic historian', no indeginous content in his history but scientific junks.

The Yoruba ancestors had lived in 4,000 years earlier, according to Prof, Akintoye, but today? New report put the age in 43,000 years ago. So, which is right?

Either the one based on archeology of the Nok civilization or the new readings from the forensic electronic device that has picked 2% that must be hyped for recognition that the device deserve.

The new date implies that a new digital gadget has been manufactured and it's much an improvement on the older analog version for genetic studies, the partners sponsor the BBC report.

Or do you have explanation why a man made machine will contradict man-made calculations? It's man-made calculation and calibrations going through improvements.

Figure don't lie, man-made machine will give man-made inputs and output. How much more when no archeological findings is connected to this. A gadget is to be blamed for the difference.

It's indicative of how unreliable electronic history can be for timing history. No carbon dating as you have on the archeological artifact. No questioning once it's Africa.

But you and I neither work for Sony, Erickson, Siemens, Sharp or whatever. We are human interpreters of human poetics and linguistic art, to the glory of God.

The machine historian is on his way here.



Courtesy redbonesmith, page 3.

As far as I am concern, the alien ancestors can't be within the whole Yoruba, which has always been my stance. Even the granite sculpture of a servant or priest in Ore groove and other sculptures showed differences.

Secondly, Yoruba calender posits date of beginning of time around 11,000± years ago.And the the professor Akintoye pegged dispersion of Yoruba people from other so called Niger Congo clans around 4000 years ago. Unfortunately, all these information has no conclusive fact on who were Yoruba and who weren't before fusion.

3. Thirdly, Iwo Eleru archeological finding of a skull found in 1965, dated to be 13000± years ago which has no link to Yoruba people.

4. Fourthly, Hausa language is considered as Afroasiatic yet Yoruba isn't ,when in reality Yoruba language has more direct translation with form of Arabic lexicon than Hausa, which loaned many words from Arabic Quranic doctrine.

5. Sixthly , Classic Hebrew language , alaphabet is basically the ancient Yoruba language ,which are spoken in the hinterland, which has nothing to do with falsified man made protolanguage because, the distance between Nigeria and Near East is more than three thousands miles. So, if yoruba people speak Semitic language, then it means, there are Coptic Christians, who were Hebrew origin with a prince king that established their identity in medieval land of Yoruba people in West Africa's Ileife. Opa Oranmiyan is a testimony to it.

6 Sixthly, machine being produced by man to calculate an alien ancestors of Yoruba that begun 43,000 years is faux because even in Northern Europe, there dna of Yoruba ancestors that has dna link with these people. So,such probability is based on assumption because using all kind of blood claiming Yoruba and alien. After all fossil human of alien supposedly claimed to be Yoruba or mende ancestors has not been found but on speculation. Despite the fact, the ancestors of Yoruba claims ancestors of mankind in Ifaodu as same as Habiri( Hebrew) doctrine but I say, Yoruba ancestors are ancestors of a peculiar mankind who brought different form of religion and civilization to the world .

Seventhly, the electronic historian isn't a big deal to me in his approach towards people here because he is weak and his self defense to churn out vulgar terminology. So, pay less attention to his uncultured claim as a Yoruba man who has no regard for paleographer. Yet, he has no knowledge of anything close to Yoruba's obelisks, which are found across Yoruba land.

macof:
Another stupid rant of desperation
You are a Fraud and all this keeps exposing it

Kindly go to Politic section, where you will be heard because you are a pathological fraud claiming that someone else is a fraud. Zoom off this thread if nothing tangible to advance this course can not come out of your medulla Oblongata.

macof:
Smh. More bullshiit

You're intellectually flawful with all your razzmatazz over pseudo Yoruba's jingoism which, you can't even be sponsored for any laudable research work on her history.

Note: Go and study.

MusicSots:
Thanks baba. Are you an Onifa?

I am not an Olifa, Onifa or Adafa, though I am an initiate.

Donaldoni:
@bolded says a lot. I don't debate with dullllards...

For emphasis, Benin fell to the British in 6 days precisely on the February 18, 1897 - what a conincidence! Today is February 18, 2020.

https://litcaf.com/benin-expedition/

Ijebu fell in 1892 in 7 days, conquered by an army partly made up of fellow Yorubas (Ibadan people)...

https://litcaf.com/imagbon-war/

Egbas held out the British for a month from June - July 1918.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adubi_War

Other parts of Yoruba land (mainly Ibadan vs Ekiti) were enmeshed in a grueling civil war also known as the the Kiriji war. Hence, the British ended the war and took over administration.

No matter how much you revile Ife, Your 'god-like' Oba remains an Ife prince...

So true.

macof:
" authors on Yoruba history claimed Yoruba ancestors arrived here in Caravans."

In all of this post with all the nonsense you are talking about, as expected you cannot name the authors/books and what pages any thing like this was mentioned
Just like everything else from you, it's all a load of hot bullshiit

It is obvious, whenever you see my post It, you always want to self-service . So,in your wildest dream, they walk with barefoot to present day Yoruba's land? Have you no knowledge of what I posted on beads found in IleIfe that which some were identified by W. G. van der Sleen (in Willett, 205-06) as an Indian trade-wind bead. Did India bead flew with wings?

Like, some silly ass says, If you don't want a black man to see a thing, hide it in a book! So you re unread colour man. What a disappointment to behold. Perhaps, when you are ready to call my attention because, I am not interested in your wailing since you are entirely entitled to your watery opinion that has no value in present time.