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kayfra:
There is knowledge and then their's fake knowledge

I want nothing to do wity the later.

Yeah, from many we have one. But the associations predates modern languages is my point. FYI. I posted DNA evidence amongst Yoruba admixture with euroasia years ago, so it's not that I am not aware of it. It's the mental gymnastics you guys go through to make fairly recent associations that amazes me. They are all funny

1. There is nothing like pseudo(fake) knowledge on this issue because everything I posted is backed up with substantial corresponding fact

2. Lol, defence mechanism at play because You and your believers on Bantu connection are jokers because if English language is exposed to Hebrew language pre 1600 AD and named Yoruba's Tolotolo as Turkey, then, you need learn and not antagonise what you don't understand.

3. In indeed you posted DNA admixture on Yoruba with Eurasia many years ago,then,don't limit research work on yoruba people because,‘All Yoruba are Yoruba and all Yoruba are not Yoruba' because Yoruba conscripted many ethnic Africans through interaction. In fact, Western researchers have understudy Yoruba nation and posited that Yoruba tradition is foreign to Subsahara Africa but historians amongst Yoruba try so much to null this over towering evidence with the claim that connect Yoruba to Africa as if history of Yoruba begun in 1200 AD. And this historians can't even read the ideograms writing on Opa Oranmiyan, Ore Groove, Opa Ogun, which are Semitic lettering. So what is your point?

4. Sorry to null your perceived opinion about ‘mental gymnastic' because, it seems, you are comfortable with Yoruba's obscure identity which makes her the most studied, ethnic group in the world! . Why on earth do the Europeans want to know facts about Yoruba nation? It is because evidence show that,there were a group of people known as ‘Abari', which is Hebrew in English language, that migrated from Near East, to Egypt and from Egypt through Sudan belt and vanished to the thin air.

5. Contrary to your type and others who always want to subdued Yoruba's ethnic history by these forceful African identity, which is not in Yoruba's ifaodu's account because, names identified with creation in Yoruba is Semitic, places of memory in oral transmission of Yoruba is Near East , Yoruba names are Semitic, Yoruba daily spoken language is Semitic but some people, on here will quickly use kangaroo classification,which was even faulted by Joseph Greenberg himself by forcing the Niger-Congo identity on Yoruba. In fact Yoruba oral account believed that, every mankind were birthed through with no Fossil human evidence! !

kayfra:
Dude. Pick any language in the world and you'll find similar but far fetched associations.

Lol. Do you not know there is false cognate? False cognate are two word that can be found in Two different area or ethnic groups which have semblance but have different meaning . Even if there is coincidence cognates which is different from protolanguage! Please, Look up Google if you're not conversant with my explanation . However, it seems you're sweating over my research work which is based on hardwork and your baseless assumptive fluke as some of you on here believed. It has been relentless effort studies that I have been in it for some years. So, don't patromise me!

Futhermore,once you find similar words across distinct places,then one or two things happened; teacher's language and learner's language exist, which is the reason, Bini land can easily switch between aboriginal Idu(Igodomigodo) language and Yoruba's language in the same manner Ibos have some cognate with Yoruba's language.

Therefore, it is ignorance on your part to be conclusive on what you basically have no knowledge. It is based on this, I want to expose you to your lording English language you known so much to have a lot of loaned word in her lexicon. Such loaned word is English Bible word ‘Christ', and Yoruba's Bible's ‘Kristi',which has no meaning in Yoruba language . This word was introduced through the Greek Bible as Χριστός (Christos), meaning, ‘anointed one' . So, there is Teacher's and Learner's language.

Interestingly,in coffins of Egyptian mummies the word ‘krst' is found as a blessing and anointing from Horus and Osiris, hence the word Christos is thought as loaned. Krst denoted the process of preparation of the mummy by embalming, purifying and anointing, and can mean anointed, buried or covered in oil.

My point here is that word being used by many people is created by one group and through interaction with others, such words are loaned into other people's lexicon... Thus,there is a master and servant in language.
Get knowledge!

kayfra:
Tooke and Okin? Lmao

Questions for you

1. When did Yoruba start using Okin?
2. When did the Hebrew start using Tookie?
3. WTF is the connection between Tookie and Okin? They don't even sound remotely close or related. I can as well insert the Gaelic word for Peacock and say I am making a point

Shoot your best shot

1. From time immemorial.

2. Time immemorial before English Bible writers in early 1600s loaned many words from ancient Hebrew into her lexicon.

3. Yes both mean, peacock!
Meanwhile Turkey has another meaning in English language.

4. They sound alike,bro. It is called cognate. Beside, when one travel from one location to another, there is high degree of language contraction and drifts in language by newer generation speaker of such language.

5. Please do post and show the connection and lets do cognates comparison and her protolanguage development.

6. Yoruba : Kara ; contracted to (ra)
English language : Buy

Hebrew : Kara
Meaning: buy

Did Yoruba ancestors also laoned the above word? You guys are just bunch of funny lads

kayfra:
It's your own perception not mine. Who between us has been tirelessly trying to make a connection with another race by giving the most trifling association possible?

In your mind. You must think the other race justifies your advancement or how in the world does one start baseless associations?

You guys should restablish your progeny with Japanese people, Sebi they have a lot of Yoruba sounding words. Maybe we emigrated from Japan instead od Israel. And Nimrod is actually Yamaguchi. Tongue meet cheek

Awon asinwin. Effing clowns

I wonder reason for this wailing. Oya see Something to hurt your ignorance more. Below is
English :Peacock
Yoruba : ọkin
Ancient Hebrew : Tooke

FrLukas:
I am not convinced that the Yorubas have a Hebrew heritage. The OP has provided no proof of this, just some mumbo jumbo about Elijah being taken away by a whirlwind and trying to link some Yoruba words with this event.

To me, the link looks tenuous and tedious. There are ancient documents that link Yorubas to ancient Canaan.

A subject such as this is most important and can't be covered by a few words on a blogosphere like this one.

I submit that it is high time our political and traditional leaders as well as academic scholars like Wole Soyinka and keepers of our ancient heritage and secrets come together and help us trace our root and our source.

Enough of all of these guess works and grandstanding. They are misleading.

That Yorubas originated from an ancient, rich and very developed source is not in doubt. You only need to check out the richness of the language, the idioms, idiosyncrasies, proverbs and general use of the language. You need to understand the Yoruba religion which some others have called Santeria, the beauty of the lores and legends, the elaborateness of the religious practices, the incredibility of the pantheons of gods in Yorubaland.

All these point to a history, obviously forgotten, that would wow us and make us understand that there was probably a time when our forefathers walked the earth majestically.

The time is ripe to harness all the intelligence we can muster as a people to trace our origins, because a people who don't know their past, will blunder and stumble on into the future.

When we know whose children we truly are then can we begin to cast off the yoke of white supremacy that beclouds out senses and makes us think we are inferior to the whites.

Then and only then can we look at ourselves and observe our living conditions in disgust and strive to become who we are meant to be.

This cannot happen if we keep misinforming ourselves and holding ourselves up to a standard that I am quite sure is way beneath us.

I remember that this was how some Moslems in Yorubaland tried to twist our history by saying that Oduduwa migrated from Mecca and the likes.

Yoruba, ji, ma sun!

Stop being myopic. Did Yoruba stole ‘Ela' which is God in Yoruba from the ancient Hebrew ? I dont joke facts I have in my care. Get book to read.

Below is the screenshot of Another name for God

TAO11:
"tHe PoRtUgUeSe CoUlD hAvE cOiNed ThE wOrD oN tHeIr OwN fRoM tHeIr OwN lAnGuAgE."

Oh my goodnes! So I've been talking to a joke.

And Yes, Oranmiyan named your village "Ubinu" land, and added before leaving that only a child with some Edo blood can tame their savagery and backwardness.

He said this and left, leaving a Yoruba/Edo hybrid child behind to tame them.

If he --- Oduduwa --- was their son (although scholars of Bini history have shown this not to be the case), then that will make Oranmiyan also their son, and hence Oranmiyan will never have made such a statement along the lines of: only a child with some Edo heritage can tame them.

The fact that he made the statement and left demonstrates that he wasn't one of them, hence neither was his father/ancestor, Oduduwa as historians have submitted.

Awesome piece. I agree with it totally.

kayfra:
It's your own perception not mine. Who between us has been tirelessly trying to make a connection with another race by giving the most trifling association possible?

In your mind. You must think the other race justifies your advancement or how in the world does one start baseless associations?

You guys should restablish your progeny with Japanese people, Sebi they have a lot of Yoruba sounding words. Maybe we emigrated from Japan instead od Israel. And Nimrod is actually Yamaguchi. Tongue meet cheek

Awon asinwin. Effing clowns

There is no word like sounding in my own research instesd it is called True cognate. And I have provided over 20 cognate between Yoruba and Ancient Hebrew which less than over 1000+ I have worked upon through my knowledge of ideograms . Sincerely,it is an amusement when I see your type who don't understand anything but try to distract with vulgar words usage. Honestly, I know it is hard for you and your likes to comprehend so, surf where your kind find peace of mind because cannot contribute anything meaningful here.

Below is a screenshot ancient Hebrew lettering, Resh/Reish which is also used Modern day Yoruba word for Orisha. Ancient Hebrew recognised the fact the head is man or the one atop, in the vein the Yoruba believed in her tradition as claiming Head as Orisha,which is heavily found in the way sculpture of Yoruba heads are unusually given more credence. May be you will claim the Yoruba's stole the word from ancient Hebrew because this symbol is older than the symbol found in Opa Oranmiyan because the lettering was gound in Sinai in Egypt. My advice to you is get books to educate yourself from ancient time apart from your oppressors who are English language's owner!

Obalufon:
Yoruba are not bantu ..

Yes Sir, Yoruba aren't Bantu. Bantu is not in Yoruba's lexicon. Kwa is not in Yoruba's lexicon and has no meaning us.Kindly enlightened these people who don't know the reason we pride ourselves over others even in defeat, we make our voices heard because we are never a conquered people in our spirit .We are the ones that called ourselves Eda(Human creature) and the descendants of Ebora! The man who lived in ancient Oru.

gregyboy:
Bini is a poutuguese word dont mistake it

Edo is a benin word

Lol. So, 1480s of Bini contact with Portuguese is older than contact Between Bini's Contact with Yorubas? You're too funny . In fact, Yoruba had contact with Potoki before Bini. . And had contact with Portuguese before Oviedos of Igodomigodo and Oma Binis

Beside this, Portuguese explorer Rui de Sequeira visited Lagos in 1472, naming the area around the city Lago de Curamo. which is the reason, it is always true that Oviedos in your rank are revisionists.

Oviedo well done with the fairytale of Igodomigodo's revisionism. Beside, Bini is a Yoruba word.

Yes,because some of us are authors and it will do harm if certain information is over exposed before the release of the book(s).

MetaPhysical:
Whats written on it?

Let me give you a clue:

1. The Ivory(opa Oranmiya) represent a horn turned downward ; this is one of the significance of Yoruba's writing,which represent conquest

2. The pitchfork on the body signify something the ancient Yorubas cherish so much!.

3. If one turns the Ivory upward; a meaning is attached to Yoruba's mysticism word of seal

4. When a king hold the Turned Ivory-horn upward in his hand;it has an attached meaning to it.


Let me stop here.

Heaven,Sky,cloud etc

MetaPhysical:
I dont have any personally to share but Im just saying where the collections exist the artworks should be viewed as a form of ancient writing and their interpretation should be indexed for understanding of new knowledge.

Ok bro. Just for information, I know the meaning of the Ivory of Opa oranmiyan. Kindly check the Bible and check why

1.Ora/ra is attached to their names with cognates

2. Ner(fire) is attached to their names

3.Ab(i) is attached to their names

4. Ore is the name of sun in this ancient biblical language


Let me stop here!

TAO11:
It is well. Cheers.

Send me your email and let me share some things with you.

Efesogie:
Trolls are low lives who have nothing going on in their lives, so they need a make-believe life on the internet in which they feel alive only when they can push someone to his limits and get emotional responses from the person or force him to hurt himself.
The best way to deal with trolls is to ignore them.

TAO11 is a troll.

Get ooooofffff this thread.

TAO11:
Yes, notice that the sign atop the letter "O" in "Orun" as shown in the dictionary is neither of the Yoruba sound diacritics, namely: "do", "re", or "mi".

This specific sign (~) speaks to something entirely different from Yoruba sounds. It speaks to the choice (or freedom) to elongate the letter it's atop.

Recall your argument with the other guy on "Aaro" or "Aro". Both are perfectly correct, and that's what the sign (~) relates to. This sign says nothing about how the letter should sound.


Having said that, you had written the following earlier:



The boldened diacritics above actually doesn't correspond to the actual diacritics (not the elongation sign) specified in the attached dictionary.

Cheers!

My knowledge on diacritics is based on French lexicon and I used that to presumably identify my accentuation even if it is seemingly seen as not conformable to you or others .Besides, I'm not a fan of Ajayi crowther's form of standardization that's not too accurate. All said and done. It is well.



Cheers.

nlPoster:
I have to look for that book again, it gave some detail although I haven't read it.

Yoruba writing is linked to art.

No Sir,because, Yoruba writing is linked to religion, kingly establishment, terrestial power,authority and domineering over land. The Art you see in Yoruba land are for purposes.

MetaPhysical:
If an antelope, a bull, a lion and a seat etched on the wall of a cave in 1400....can be interpreted by "scholars" today to suggest a writing left by a past civilization and interpreted to mean the Throne of Kings......imagine what messages could be contained in the carvings and art works of animals left in Yoruba antiquity.

Do we have "scholars" that can interprete them?

I can interpret it Sir. Show me the arrangement of the precept the arrangement follows.

Below is , ‘Sun' in Yoruba language, which is screenshot.Even,with error in certain disagreement in diacritics, I will categorically emphasise here, that there is no way with my vast knowledge in classic Semitic language that I can't solve certain ideograms. Let me clearly affirm here that the purpose of showcasing this information is to keep people abreast with reality about ancient Yoruba people.

TAO11:
When Yoruba is written then there is a standard form.

Tonal variation dissipates in Yoruba writing. The standardized writting mode of Yoruba language is one and only one --- And it is what I have shown up there.

Moreover, none of your diacritics which I corrected conforms to any known Yoruba dialect for the same meaning of words you intended.

Peace!

Yoruba does not have a standard form because, Oyo dialect is the written form which is not the best of it all. After all, you mentioned old Yoruba dialects within the context of Ijebu or Eastern Yoruba, which I agree with. Take for instance, Ode(though I didnt put diacritics) in Oyo is ( Outing/to go for a party).While, Eastern Yoruba call Ode as base or foundation. Certainly, you will understand my point even if I have no intention to discredit Oyo's dialect, because there were problems with standardization of Yoruba language. In all school of thought,all Yoruba dialects are standard because non is greater than the other.

It is based on this knowledge that repeatedly, I have gone far to understudy Eastern, Oyo and other dialects which is the classical Hebrew! I am sure ,you won't be comfortable and I wont push you beyond our boundaries,in the same manner some set of people disagreed with, simply because they can't read it. Having opined this,it doesn't mean, you or anyone can't read it if such have someone who can put such person through to it. All that's important, is interest and perseverance to understanding it.

Furthermore, to expose you to my point on the diacritics, here is Sun in Yoruba language inside a dictionary that's over century old.

MetaPhysical:
Yoruba civilization goes back centuries before colonization, from which point our modern literature and latin script took off. Accounts of exist of when Oba Eshinlokun sent Oshodi to Portugal to learn commerce and clerical duties for record keeping. Prior to contact with Portuguese Yoruba had a civilized value system. Did we have scholarship going back to that time and age? Are there records of literatures....not necessarily in English or any European script...but in any other known writing or symbolism or expression?

please ask the critics who are perpetual ignorant to furnish us with facts and not wailing

nlPoster:
Early morning is Aaro, not aro.

Aro is mental illness and is not a Yoruba word.

Seriously, these are basic Yoruba semantics, why is it you discuss Yoruba language on many threads but seem to be unaware of some simplest things? Just wondering, could you give a clue?

This is Yoruba dictionary's screenshot,which has information on the point you claimed as correct, whereas, you are wrong.

Enjoy it!

TAO11:
Good and deep analysis.

I especially love the part about "Eshi" (i.e. Previous Year or Previous Time) because I have an Ijebu connection.

The word "Eshi" brought me some nostalgic memories about my grandma and other things. It gave me goosebumps .

Many previously widespread ancient Yoruba words which are now generally lost to many people are still preserved in the Ijebu dialect. Thanks to the diverse nature of the Yoruba language.

But I must add that the diacritics for the "E" in the Yoruba word "Eshi" is NOT as the "E" in the word "Ebi" (family); but rather as the "E" in the word "Egun" (curse).

In other words, there should be no dot under the letter "E".

Nisai , please come and bear me witness on this. Lol.

In sum, your general diacritics (top diacritics especially) is usually inaccurate. And I do not say this with an iota of pride, or to demean you ---- just for learning sake.

For example:

The (top) diacritics for "SUN" is NOT "re, mi" ---- that is, "ORÚN" (no apparent meaning from the Yoruba lexicon) ---- as you've indicated here.

Rather, it is "do, do" ---- that is, "ÒRÙN".


Also, the (top) diacritic for "SKY" is also NOT "re, mi" ---- that is, "ỌRÚN" (meaning: "Five Days Time" ) ---- as you've indicated here.

Rather, it is "do, re" ---- that is, "Ọ̀RUN"


Similarly, the (top) diacritic for "HEAT" is NOT "re, do" --- that is, "ORÙ (the name of a town in Yorubaland) ---- as you've indicated here.

Rather, it is "re, re" ---- that is, "ORU" ---- with no apparent diacritics at all.

Lastly, the diacritic for "ESHI" is "do, mi" ---- that is, "ÈSHÍ".

And with a more standardized spelling becomes: "ÈṢÍ".

Cheers!

I understand your point on diacritics though, there are diversity in Yoruba land . And I am sure, diacritics are the most difficult to insert on Yoruba lexicons because so many homonyms in Yoruba language. Despite, this, I am sure you know accents differs from one enclave to others in Yoruba land.Albeit, I will post some screenshot from a dictionary, that has some of the analysis above.

Let me use this opportunity to post another false cognate between Ibo and Yoruba

Ibo:Ututu
Meaning: morning

Yoruba: Otutu(ututu)
Meaning:cold chilled, chilly, freezing, icy, cool

nlPoster:
Are you Yoruba requires a yes or no answer. Not a long one.

It is an insult if I am asked about my Yoruba identity . Olu or Elu is what language ? Save me your patronage.Call it long story, it doesn't concern me but show me your panegyric to know who you are! This is how Yoruba do justice to their identity.....Period

nlPoster:
Are you Yoruba?


My comments are not "criticism" but letting you know you are in error. Learning is a continuous process, you might be unaware of that and should be grateful when you see how you can improve.

Yorubas are where they are today because they knew the value of improvement instead of stagnancy.

Once again, morning is Aaro, not Aro which refers to mental illness.

You almost seem to be making a mockery of Yoruba.

I am Omo Eri Ogun Dade( Omo æri Ogun dade)

Omo odelu Ikan (bi)

Omo afi akuko bo Ore

Omo Igunugun

Omo Odo ode Ani( Ooni)..........

Omo Kaare O'Ba mi

Who are you?

Like I had stated earlier, I shall post the Yoruba's dictionary to affirm my point. I don't joke

TAO11:
Noted bro. Welldone!

Your comment also immediately brings the following Yoruba saying to my mind:

"Kutukutu Oba Igbo; Osangagan Obamakin".


This Yoruba saying (among other references) has been brilliantly employed by Adepegba and Ayandele to reconcile the apparent contradiction in the Oduduwa traditions of Oyo and Ife.

[I. A. Akinjogbin and E. A. Ayandele, "Yorubaland up to 1800," in Ikime, Groundwork of Nigerian History, 121-143.]


Cornelius Adegbegba interpreted this saying in relation to the Oduduwa tradition and Ife monarchy saying that:

"... it is the end of one and the beginning of another period in the political and constitutional development of the Yoruba."

He continues:

"... "Kutukutu Oba Igbo; Osangagan Obamakin" ("early morning and afternoon," implying that early kings of Ife were different from the latter ones), and the reference made to Oduduwa being lodged in the strangers' quarters in Ife by some oral sources ikedu collected by one Odukoya, they postulate that the monarchical form of government had been established in Ife before Oduduwa."

Cornelius O. Adepegba, "The Descent from Oduduwa: Claims of Superiority among Some Yoruba Traditional Rulers and the Art of Ancient Ife" published in The International Journal of African Historical Studies, Vol. 19, No. 1 (1986), p. 83.


So, yes you're right "Kutu" refers to morning even without the prefix "Aaro". I appreciate your deep insights.

I doff my hat! I hope to lay my hand on some of these journals and books to learn more.

nlPoster:
Early morning is Aaro, not aro.

Aro is mental illness and is not a Yoruba word.

Seriously, these are basic Yoruba semantics, why is it you discuss Yoruba language on many threads but seem to be unaware of some simplest things? Just wondering, could you give a clue?

My dear brother, you didn't criticised my post enough because my Aro does not have diacritic. . It seems you see me as someone whose interest is to rubbish Yoruba people greatness,which many people do. Far from it because

Interestingly , my purpose is to position Yoruba land as the land of Orisha, religious land etc. In fact,when I am at convenience, I shall post Aro in 1911 dictionary with diacritic. By then ,I put your criticism in the cooler.

absoluteSuccess:
LOL,

I think we need all participants. It's just very simple, if an ardent opposer is not there to check out your claims, you will make unpardonable blunders that you won't be around to correct in the future.

We always needed to be very sure, then I will also encourage us to see the exercise as gradual process at something profound. Great minds will still come along this thread brother. Care less about the nitwits.

The nitty gritty

I am of the opinion that the Yoruba history will be rediscovered in this fashion, from the process that unlock the codes ingrained in Yoruba history and preserved in Yoruba language.

Let's say that's what all this hullabaloo is all about. How do we make the best of it? Is it macof approach?

Methodology:

I think I spoke about my research methodology at page 3 and our brother got hooked to that. Can there be a methodology without any examples of how it works from someone's experience?

Fibonacci sequence comes to mind. The proponent of the sequence observed nature's wonders around him and worked out a mathematical model for it, known as the golden ratio.

Fibonacci wasn't "confessing" his profession, he was professing his confession. Claiming a methodology exists somewhere without trying it out here shows someone is clever by half. It should come with example.

Books and peer reviewed journals:

Claims that Yoruba history should be chiselled out in peer reviewed journals came from olaochi, and then obalufoniii claimed that he writes columns in "peer reviewed journals".

The last I've read about the grand journals is from the last pages of this thread. "Odu" happens to be a peer reviewed journal of the days of yore at the "University of Ife" the ghost has resurfaced here.

What is the latest peer reviewed journals on campus with unquestionably accurate account of Yoruba history? What have you read that is worth sharing other than perpetual witch-hunting on nairaland?

Na lie, the Yoruba history is in the hands of people who could harness her tradition and fathom it's oral records, not in a proverbial books or journal that never exist.

A reader in history will share profound ideas from the recent works in his coffer, a professional historian will cite great authority to illuminate his claim, a quack will call the name of an author only.

Citing foreign authors on topics of foreign history such as Assyriology is not profound, it's cheaper than whatever. But that should have been the case for the Yoruba works and journals.

Will a professional historian get stuck to such blunders? Well don't be deceived, we are all professors here. A historian that claims history is not in the telling should have an academic designation for "telling".

Without criticism ,the beauty of this thread won't be achieve,which I quite understood clearly your view but unnecessary vulgar word being peddled need be stopped.This is my stance.

TAO11:
Olu317, Yes "Kootu-Ojire is also correct.

But what I often have issues with regarding discourse like this is the oft-repeated dichotomous idea and impression that one must be false because the other is true.

No! Why can't both be true? There isn't one Yoruba language afterall. There is a variety of the Yoruba language. They are called dialects. All legitimate.

"Kaaro-Ojire" is also correct and widely used among diverse Yoruba subgroups. And "KAARO" is not a "bastardization" bro. Elisions and contractions are essential and natural parts of All SPOKEN languages.

The technical Yoruba term in academia is "ÌPAJẸ Ọ̀RỌ̀".

It is perfectly legit Yoruba to SPEAK (or even write) of the "KING's WIFE" as "AYABA".

Cheers!

Yoruba's Kutu is also shared lexicon with Ancient Egypt. Perhaps, loaned into Yoruba language. This is because, the ancient Egypt's,‘Kut', is transliterate and translated as ‘sunrise' in English language and Yoruba's ‘Kutu' is mostly translated as,‘ morning' or ‘ rise of day light.' At times, to convey how early the period is,Yoruba say, kutu+kutu{ very early in the morning}

The reason I digress a bit about Kutu is that, Yoruba says, Aro kutu or Aro kutu+kutu. I find it shocking because of the use of two synonym. Aro is early morning so also is Kutu is also early morning. You can get my grip on this from, ‘Ecology of Language by Einar Haugen', to understand my point . So,also if you can get more knowledge on Ancient Semitic language, then you will see my position on the ancient speakers of Yoruba language and place of origin.

TAO11:
True!

Also, I think nlPoster 's interpretation of the Edo "ISO" (meaning "SKY" ) through the Yoruba lens of "AWOSONMO" doesn't quite capture the sense of the word.

And my reason for this is quite simple and straightforward ---- the Yoruba word "AWOSONMO" (or simply "SONMO" ) is a relatively recent loanword from the Arabic "SAMA' " i.e. "سماء" (meaning "SKY" ).

I am inclined to thinking of the Edo word "ISO" along the lines of the Yoruba word "ÌSO" (with the actual diacritics still being "do-re" ).

And the Yoruba word "ÌSO" conveys the following sense:

"Tie", "Hang", as well as "Suspend" (as in suspend up in the air by been hung or tied).

This last significance brings the Edo "ISO" close to the Yoruba "ÌSO".

Having said that, I have updated the video of the interview by the 'yesterday' Ooni on the events around the first visit of an Ooni outside Ife.

100% accurate that Sanmo is loaned from Arabic lexicon. The indigenous word for Orú (sun) is derived from ọrún(sky) which is interwoven with Orù(heat), conveying relationship of the place of origin,sky and heat that emanates from it. The ideology behind Yoruba names and words is separated through diacritics, which makes Yoruba language to be extremely descriptive when conveying information about a thing, place or name etc.

Secondly, Iso is as you affirm it to be in Yoruba's lexicon,which has always been my position that the way English language arrived, is the same way Yoruba language arrived earlier in this part of the world with knowledge of God in Ifaodu. So, finding true cognate and false cognate in Edo land, Iboland,Nupeland, Igala land,Hausa land etc showed a contact existed while Yoruba language always come forth as been interchangeable with aboriginals that Ifaodu is well rooted or partly rooted.This is foundation of sppken words of Yoruba finding itself a across some places.

I notice many false cognate between Ibo and Yoruba language but I will share one today.For instance:

Ibo's ‘Ishi'/eshi' is (tomorrow)

Yoruba's, ẹshi (previous year, last season etc).

It is obvious, that intermingling established loaned words across board.While certain words couldn't be adopted and stays within the users of such lexicon.

cbrass:
First of all it is called kootuojire and not kaarojire, many of you claim to know but still don't know. Does the religion some one picks distort his history...

Na wa oooo! Omo Kaaro O jire has become Kootu ojire? What dialect is that?