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Obalufon:
Ile-ife is the source ...

As you can see, I have not lied about my ancestors. And as far as I am concerned, he obalufonIII has offended my ancestors and until he apologize to them before I can think of forgiveness toward him.

obalufonIII, I have reposted mine. Kindly post your ancestors name amongst the ruling houses because your investigation on my ancestors will always meet a barricade...

Proof your originality with your ancestors documented in ILEIFE.

I am waiting for you to do the needful by posting your ancestors name as mine has appeared.

absoluteSuccess:
LOLZ

He wont post his, probably it has no historical gravitation. You definitely have a good one if he trace alagada ogun back to you, its the reference to Ojo, who was one of the icons of history at the onset of Yoruba history, this trace back to Ibadan tradition and many places in Yoruba, it is reported as Beyoja in some parts of Yoruba tradition. Ibadan ni ile OluYo le.

My ancestors.....Only liars hide.

absoluteSuccess:
LOLZ

He wont post his, probably it has no historical gravitation. You definitely have a good one if he trace alagada ogun back to you, its the reference to Ojo, who was one of the icons of history at the onset of Yoruba history, this trace back to Ibadan tradition and many places in Yoruba, it is reported as Beyoja in some parts of Yoruba tradition. Ibadan ni ile OluYo le.

Smiling ..Alagada Ogun is a corruption and contraction form of his oriki because of the way it is presented. Furthermore, over period of time, there are slight error in the writing form of oriki, which is always different from verbal praises. And I intend not share such information anymore. I intend to silence him which is the reason I decided to post Lusi documented info...

Compelling Cognate between Jacob/Aqeb and Akein/Akeinde

The name Jacob first appeared in Bible, as the one and only Old Testament Jacob,who is a son of Isaac and Rebekah, and twin brother of Esau.
The name Jacob comes from the common Hebrew noun עקב (aqeb ) meaning Supplanter ( he that takes over the position of another). This same fate is divinely acknowledge amongst Yoruba belief on the last child that is born amongst as Akeinde gbé'gbon.
And tentatively, the younger of the two between the twin become the older. This, has been confirmed by Genesis 25:23 , which we read that God foretold the twins' fate: the older shall serve the younger.

Cognate between Èsù-Èsùá-Yèsùá and Jesua -Hosea -Jesus.

Scholars state that the name Joshua,which occurs four times in the Bible is the same as Jesua. Most famous is the judge Joshua the
Ephraimite, the successor of Moses and the one who leads Israel into the Promised Land. The original name of this Joshua is Hosea ( הושע ) but Moses names him Joshua.
Joshua is also the original Hebrew form of the Greek name Jesus. A shortened form of Joshua is the name Jeshua ( ישוע),which comes from the root-verb ישע ( yasha' ), meaning to save or deliver. Funny enough the Yoruba belief acknowledge Èsù as the messenger of God,who saves mankind once he is called upon.

Obalufon:
Human civilization started from ile ife ..land of expansion. I don't doubt backward migration into the region again .Yoruba culture is so unique...Because there is Oral history to back it up.

I tell you of a truth, Yoruba ancestors were the ones through the reinventing of mankind, that God form . This is the reason native oral knowledge claim Yoruba ILEIFE has ancestors of white people amongst them. Have you given such a deep thought even without archaeological evidence or yet genetic's ?

MetaPhysical:
Just the use of pre- and post-fix alone have led to many losses in word sense and meaning. Similar damage is done with the addition of vowels and consonants to root letters and words.

Look at
R-M-Y-N (Yrb from Oranmiyan)
R-M-N (Smt from Aramean)

I believe Aramaic is derived as a language spoken by people of origin in Aramea. So if your origin is Aramea I can call you Aramean. If you speak Aramea language I will say you speak Aramaic.

Now, in Yorubaland names are unique but they have a structure.

Akin+tunde
Akin+ola
Akin_ade
Akin+wunmi
Akin+wale

Ifa+dare
Ifa+yemi
Ifa+dayo

Ola+itan
Ola+wale
Ola+dele
Ola+lekan_
Ola+kunle

Ade+remi
Ade+yemi
Ade+wunmi


Bus+Ayo
Omot+Ayo
Funmil+Ayo
Omol+Ayo


Jokot+Ade
Iyun+Ade
Tiwal+Ade


Pre-fix, post-fix...pre-fix, post-fix...pre-fix, post-fix....Yoruba naming structure! So in the name Oranmiyan the structure is missing. Was he named in Yoruba language or a foreign language? Assuming this is an ancient naming style, do we have examples of similar styles to review?


There are certain things with Oranmiyan as principal authority that has not been outlined.
1- What did he know, and how did he know it?
2- What did he do with what he knew?
3- What legacy/ies or knowledge do we have from his deeds?

Oranmiyan is a standalone subject on his own.


I will be responding to rest later I have been very busy and unable to focus on this writing. I will post what I have here for now.

Later bro.

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Aramean

As being posited by western Researchers, the name developed through identification of a people of Aram, if we are looking at it from town or country angle. This is because the Arameans were a people that lived in the vicinity of the territory of Israel , but judging from the many different centers that carry names derived from the name Aram ( Paddan-aram ,
Aram-maacah , Aram-zobah ), the Arameans were not a centralized people. In general, Arameans were the people who spoke Aramaic of which Syriac is a dialect — a Semitic language that is closely related to Hebrew and which grew to be the standard language of the Persian empire.

So, Or, Ra,Ora,Oran,Ak,Ad,Ol(El),Bi,etc are certain prefixes or its suffixes that show certain similarities with Semitic, precisely ancient Hebrew, even if some of these prefixes meaning had been lost within the descendants of Yorubas- Ancient HHebrew Race. I have discovered that some lexicon appears in Yoruba language that sparsely and some of these fit as Proto ancient Hebrew language

Mind you, Abraham's father Terah married from the Syriac people known as Aram-Ram.So did Abraham. But Abraham's descendants married back in to Egypt's, Ethiopia's Cush(Sudan axis),which showed possible emigration back and forth to Africa. Meanwhile, the Yoruba have a myth in ILE IFE of Aram-IFE. This personality, ‘Arámfè ruled in Heaven, and sent his sons, Odúwa and Orísha, to a dark and watery region below to create the world and to people it ( Myths of Ífè By John Wyndham London, 1921)'. Such a mythical personality who was said to be associated with thunder and creation is intriguing . Although what remain constant is that Aram appears as a personality in Yoruba lexicon and Hebrew and Arameans lexicon history.

MetaPhysical:
There is a reason Yorubas bear the name "Tokunbo". If what you say up there is true there would have been some identifier in past history to label the returnees.

There is also a reason Yorubas have towns like "Ado". Ile-Ife itself is an Ado. The origin of this civilization you talk about is in Nineveh. The Ile Ife we have now has always been in existence with human life and had an indigenous name that is now lost. Oduduwa tedo to the aboriginal land and instituted new orders. Part of the order is a re-christening of the name of the land to Ile-Ife.

Now, is Nineveh an original name? NO! Ile-Ife is the authentic and original name. Those who wrote history corrupted Ile-Ife to Nineveh.

In fact, I want to stretch imagination and submit that Adam is wrong spelling of Adimula, and Eve is wrong spelling of Ife/Efe.

Either of the two names could be correct, because, we must realise that language looses its original form if such language leaves original place of its abode and over a period of time, especially if the speakers absorbe other new found neighbors's language interesting. While few of such new neighborhood language could also be adopted via conquest or intermarriages. So, consider, both ILEIFE and NINEVEH.

Secondly,EVE isn't the correct word for the acclaimed wife of Adam,even if the meaning of , ‘EVE' is wife and mother of life,from the interpretation of scholars. Research has categorically deciphered the original form as closely related to Arabic's ‘HAWA'/AWA and Yoruba's ‘AYA'. Although most (if not all) translators and interpreters of Hebrew derive the name Eve from the verb חיה ( haya), meaning to live or have life.

One interesting aaspect on the similarities is that Yoruba ‘ÀADÀ' interpretation also fit into the name of Adam because original speaker of Hebrew language disappeared thousands of years ago. Thus, as it seems, Adam isn't Adimula because of the root word of the meaning of Adam. Perhaps, you can look it up in Ooni Ogunwusi ancestral Oriki to understand the difference.


Etymology of the name Adam from the western researchers, states :

The name Adam is the same as the noun אדם ( 'adam ), which is used to mean man( kind ) in the sense of a creature made from earth:

From the above, the Yoruba ÉDÀ and Hebrew ADAM fits perfectly for mankind.

Thus, the calculation of the disapperance through the Early Hebrew script ranges (over 3200 years ago) or as in the Middle Hebrew script (between 3200 and 2500 years ago).

Adam isn't Adimula because of the root word in it because Adam means, man created from red soil.You can look it up in Ooni Ogunwusi ancestral Oriki. Perhaps, you can understand it.

Etymology of the name Adam from the western researchers states :
The name Adam is the same as the noun אדם ( 'adam ), which is used to mean man( kind ) in the sense of a creature made from earth:

From the above, the Yoruba ÀADÀ or DÀ and hebrew's ADAM fits perfectly for human being .

Archeologists discovered the place known in ancient Egypt called , ’Ramesses Gate' . And the the remains of a gargantuan fortress that the pharaonic New Kingdom conquerors built in Jaffa when they controlled the city (from around 1460 B.C.E. to 1125 B.C.E.). Jaffa fit well with ‘offa' , though no evidence on this. But what makes this case interesting is that Jaffa town was also called ‘Ilu', a town,that was one of the entrance town into Egypt through the Middle East.

Now excavations around the fortified gate, the most massive complex of the type Egypt itself, have exposed more remains of the fortress that tell a forgotten story. The Ramesses Gate attest that the Canaanites bitterly opposed Egyptian rule in Jaffa , which reached its peak during the 12th century B.C.E.

MetaPhysical:
I have a strong theory on the following relationships:
Ad being Ado
Aramean (Iram, Aram) being Oranmiyan
Midian being Mondiana
Addud (Haddud) being Oduduwa
Haddud son of Ad, being Oduduwa son of Adimula
Jerusalem being Ijebu-Isale


If the Yoruba spelling and pronounciations are the authentic, then the foreigners got it wrong. They could not reproduce our tongue and thus mangled it into its Arabiced versions.

Aramean, Oduduwa, Obatala, Obalufon, Sango, Ogun.....and so on, are not proper names but titular of the position...just like the Greeks giving such names as Jupiter, Uranus, Venus, Thor, and so on.

Kindly SHARE and let's see what you have as a theory on the following :

Aramean(Iram,Aram)being Oranmiyan


Oduduwa

Obatala

Obalufon

Sango

*Ogun*

Midian being Mondiana

Addud (Haddud) being Oduduwa

*Haddud* son of Ad , being Oduduwa son of Adimula

*Jerusalem* being Ijebu-Isale

*Adimula*


The Yoruba pronunciations were and are near perfect of the original Semitic people of Hebrew origin,even if they don't recognise it. This is the reason, I don't doubt the native information that claimed, Yoruba are the ancestors of the world e'en if there is no accurate information to back this up . But gradually, scientific revolution will support the Oral, and the unknown 8% DNA found in Yorubas .

Certainly ,the foreigners are trying to resuscitate the language from its original form. Although,you must take cognizance of the language intermixing through migration of the Hebrews and other people from their foundational home to new world . And through this, part of their language slowly decline to give way to new found ones in their new home.


Cheers.

macof:
. . I can't believe this guy...Guy just shut up and learn Yoruba properly...more importantly stop lying to yourself.

It is T'ibì T'ire ni à da ilẹ̀ Ayé you made a mistake due to your lack of fluency, deal with it and learn how it is written

Your French is not my business as I can't verify that. French is not Yoruba, accent marks are totally different in both languages and that you are using French accents in Yoruba writing just confirms that you don't know Yoruba

As usual, you lack the pedigree to engage in intellectual juxtapose. Instead, you turn around with the usual negative words usage like your contemporaries.

‘A' alphabet,which is the first alphabet in English's is not part of Yoruba alphabets. ‘À' is the first alphabet of Yoruba. So, study harder to know this.

Below screenshot Knock you off macof because the ‘À', is accented for easy pronunciation. Believe me, you will learn from what I ‘choose' to teach you.

Yoruba : À

English : Ah

Hebrew : Ah /Ha



Am I J.F Odunjo? Kindly learn like a man of integrity.So, deal with it.

Àtunse Titun : Revised Edition

macof:
1. Mr. Olu, stop lying.. If you don't know something there is no shame in admitting you don't know.
Let me (attempt) to translate the gibberish you wrote
". t' ìbí t'íré ní Àdà ìlè Àyè"
To Birth, to *gibberish * at *gibberish* *gibberish* of Space

And you are still trying to defend this nonsense Yoruba you wrote?

There is a clear difference between "Ibì" (Evil) and "Ibí"(Birth). Ayé(life) and Àyè(Space)

2. Accent marks there again are wrong. Guy just stop using accents marks if you don't know how to use it, even I don't use it when I'm not sure of which goes with certain words

3. Well, just as it is suspected that there are more than one Ogun in history, maybe there are more than one historical Esu (Esu is not looked at much by historians)
So I don't know what Esu you are familiar with but it is essential to keep in mind that Esu has spiritual and historical sides

You are quite funny because you and I know, we aren't in a classroom. So, what if part of the accented was wrong? Despite your view,you couldn't even detect the slight error . Anyway , let me make you learn something new because when you come across two vowels letters in Yoruba , which both follows each other simultaneously from two different words. Thus,one of two vowels must be contracted to one and apostrophe sign placed in it. This is the reason, you saw how it was done in it with the punctuation that I applied i. e

T'ibi( tí + ìbí = t'ìbí ),which is a contraction.

macof interpretation :-

Ayé = (life) x

Àyè= (Space)'.

And I disagree with you because you took the saying with levity. Yoruba proverbs-Idioms- figurative speech interpretation is always deeper than from surface form you see it /them.

Áàyè— space

Àayè—world

Áàyè/ Àyè—alive, living,

Émí(noun)—life

Àyè :- This is referring to the ‘world of humanity' and not just mere, ‘ SPACE', because without human beings born on earth, the eminating forces that govern the positive and negative won't contest on the mind of human being i.e birth of mankind. So, learn from the storeroom of àrúgbo ìlè as I am.


Ìbì— negative force

Ìrè— Positive force

Meanwhile, stop this ego Mr.,because, learning is the key to wisdom. The saying was referring to human's world.

Bí— to born/ give birth.

ÌBí— child's cumbilical cord that she/he was born with, which must be severed after being born.

Ìbì— here

Àyè- This is a fusion of two things into one because it's the world of humans that invloves challenges.


3. Your number ‘3' is without disagreement because there replication of Èshù or Èsù.

For more knowledge, start French study from francophone neighbouring, such as Bénin Republic, Mali, Senegal,(Francophone countries) before venturing into outside Africa,so that you will know how to place accent on Yoruba because English has some challenges, as it regards accent. You doubt? For example:

Read( PR.T)

Reading (PP)

Read (PA T)

The ‘Read' (PA. T ) does not match its Pronunciation. Do you know why?

(b) There is no ‘A' in Yoruba alphabet but ‘À', and other form that has accent, which is the first letter. For example : À— ‘Àjà'

Instead of your ‘A' :

The English ‘A' version

The Yoruba is ‘è' version

This does not mean, English don't use ‘À' ,when they pronounce some words but not seen in written form . For example :

À— Adult
À— After
À— Arise

How are you an expert when , English language does not place accent on all their modern words? Afterall, your knowledge on Yoruba isn't strong because,you were taught in English language from your primary school days till date. . So, learn a little accents formation from French language to aid your Yoruba language's accent. It does help.

Obalufon:
please bothers don't fight share knowledge.

No problem.

Instead of using your West Africa's Ibo, Fon, Ga etc to buttress your point why use Asia's Japanese that's within the same Continent as Semitic people , ? I am Waiting for you to teach us on West Africa or Subsahara groups with even sparsely connection.

Funny enough, each yoruba word has accent to understand its meaning. After all, I did this with Hebrew cognates and her ancient writing form . So, be careful Oga teacher .

Japanese - Ie x
Yoruba - Ile,
English - house

Japanese : otsuki x
Japanese : Tsuki x
Yoruba : osupa √
English : moon

Japanese : Oka x
English: hill
Japanese: Yama x
English : mountain

Yoruba : oke √
English: hill/mountain

Japanese: kodomo x Where did you get your own?
Japanese : ko x
Yoruba : omo √
English : child

Mind you, below are another meaning for the posted Yoruba words by you.So find the exact Japanese meaning :

Yoruba : le
English: strong

Yoruba : oka
English:corn, yam flour, a type of a snake specie.


Gradually, we are making you crack your head, okoro

0balufonlll:
Uncle Negro, Mr. Obalufon here is the one bound to act/speak like Obalufon & asides your banters about Eba/Amala, I see your point but:

1. The Torah/Bible’s historicity is inconclusive. In fact, the sources of Torah/Bible with its foundation in the Nicea council makes it an irrelevant thing in the face of history because no section agrees on what is what. In fact, apocryphal still debate the legitimacy of early books & Jesus. The Quran as far as its history from 500AD holds some credibility than the Bible/Torah. Hence, much of what is known of Egypt came from Greek & Roman records & not the Bible.

2. Ifa/Ife’s myth holds relevance religion/spiriruality & that is where it stops. The myth & history clash greatly. If you doubt, examples abound & we can create a whole thread to treat this. The older folks only tried to separate what was history from what was myth. I am in no place to fault you if you choose to approach history differently. I may just get tempted to wade in if a topic I’m in the know of gets brought up.

3. It is OK if you think of Ife as the beginning. I do not think of Ife as the beginning of anything, not even monarchy. Ife may have been more popular but other Yoruba towns must have co-existed with Ife & added exchanged ideas/culture with Ife. E.G: Sango, Esu, Oya & so on that werent indegenous to Ife.

4. You spoke from the angle I thought of & asked Olu. That is, Yorubaland/Ife being the center Arab/Hebrew culture sprang from as opposed to Herew/Arab being the source for us Yoruba. The angle seems very interesting & compelling but to me, there are no sources to enhance such pursuit. What makes it worse is that there are oral traditions & festival re-enactments even that place that Oduduwa origins, life & times within Ife.

Addendum: I am not & can never be in that place to tell people how they choose to employ their intellect. My kini with this page is that the methods be subjected to questioning such that Yoruba does not sink into the Ibo pursuit of Hebrew/Jewish validation. Whatever style is employed be it linguitic or historic or whatever, can the methods stand scrutiny & not fall on its face? Yoruba is & has been the source of pride for Africans & the reason for return of AAs - it is a force to reckon with in Africa. Should we subject it to ridicule a la the ibo, a culture with a rich history, having an almost embarrassing struggle for Jewish affiliation?

1. Contrary to your view, there is nothing like inconclusiveness in the Torah. The Torah was an oral account of the Hebrew Race, Spirituality, their kings, God and guideline to be followed as a chosen people from their perspective. And their fairy tale story of the parted Sea became popular amongst other Ethnic nations around them in Nineveh. And the Hebrew story were recorded in all Mighty Kingdoms during these different centuries. And on your assumption of Quran being more solid than Bible, only expose you more because, you are wrong. In fact, Prophet Muhammad, visited Rome, during his lifetime. So, quash such view because The Hebrew account being recorded are found be documented for over 3400+ years plus and the Quran that's about 1500+ years in total. Even the following kingdoms recorded the history of Hebrews in documented account, especially
through

(a). Egypt's pictographs-painting before Egypt fell to other kingdom

(b) Assyrian Tablets

(c). Persian Tablets

(d). Babylonian Tablets ,

(e). Greek account

(f). Roman account

(g). Arabs account

(h). Ethiopia's account.

How do you condemn what you don't know? .......


Archeologists claim with evidence that :

(a).Two Assyrian records corroborate Manasseh's submission to the Assyrians. "The name, 'Manasseh, king of Judah' appears on the Prism of Esarhaddon ... and on the Prism of Ashurbanipal" as among 22 rulers who paid tribute to Assyria ( The New Bible Dictionary, 1996, p. 724).

(b). Archaeologists recently found a clay impression from Jeremiah's time bearing not only Baruch's name, but apparently even his fingerprint!
Tsvi Schneider, who in 1991 served as assistant librarian at Hebrew University's Institute of Archaeology, writes about a seal with Baruch's name on it: "The first and best—known biblical name to be identified on a bulla [a lump of clay bearing a seal impression] is Baruch son of Neriah. Baruch was the scribe, loyal friend and political ally of the prophet Jeremiah. The inscription is in three lines and reads: 'Belonging to Berekhyahu/son of Neriyahu/the scribe.' The bulla refers to Baruch by his full given name ... Baruch son of Neriah, the seal impression tells us, was a scribe. Four episodes in the Book of Jeremiah mention Baruch, son of Neriah the scribe" (Biblical Archaeological Review , July—August 1991, p. 27).

2. Who were the people that Yoruba met with in the face of history? Plainly, Yoruba footprint appeared properly around 1000AD-1100AD and they met the Nok offshoot and push them inward.BORGU- NUPE,IGALA,IKA-IBO, part of IDU,Efik-Ibibio etc were older in Nigeria before yoruba emergence. For instance.

Archeologists claim with evidence on Southern Nigeria that :

(a) The Archaeological sites in the Niger Delta show that advanced economic development began much earlier there than elsewhere in West Africa. This is seen in early use of metallurgy. At one metallurgical complex, dated to 765 BC, iron ore was smelted in furnaces measuring a meter wide. The molten slag was drained through conduits to pits, where it formed blocks weighing up to 43-47 kg. The operating temperatures are estimated to have varied between 1,155 and 1,450 degrees C (Holl, 2009). Some radiocarbon dates for iron smelting in this region go back to 2000 BC (Eze-Uzomaka, 2009)


3. ILEIFE and NINEVEH meant a lot to the Yoruba memory and the Hebrews people that lived in Middle East, which archeology proofed it existed. The Middle East Nineveh was adorned in glory because it was all in all before it became a ruin after being invaded and burnt down.So if Yoruba attached spirituality to Ileife,it is only a reminder that the same was the way the Levant attached spirituality to Nineveh. After all, Hebrew's Adam, was said to be the first man on earth according to the Hebrew account . And this is what was said of NINEVEH

archeology claim with evidence that :

(a).The Assyrian Empire, with Nineveh as its capital, appeared invincible at the time. James Muir graphically describes this empire at the time of the prophet Nahum (668 B.C)


4. *‘The angle seems very interesting & compelling but to me, there are no sources to enhance such pursuit'.*

(a) There are sources but you just know but choose to ignore it because you find it unbelievable, in the same manner , Ooni Ogunwusi claimed Yoruba are more than 500,000,000 in the world. Only the spiritual minds and researchers will key into the saying of Ooni. To proof this, you need two among what I will mention, which are

(I) pictographs knowledge
(ii) Hieroglyphs knowledge


*‘What makes it worse is that there are oral traditions & festival re-enactments even that place that Oduduwa origins, life & times within Ife'.*

(b) Odu'a you have heard about didn't live in IFE Nigeria because there is no evidence to back it up. After all,his father's name and mother wasn't known. And the oriki that connects his descendants to him, acknowledged him as Adimula(Adimunia). Have you taken your time to unravel the meaning at all? Categorically, study has made me to know it but I won't share such on any forum but my book once it's available.

5. Shying away because Ibo claim Jew origin should not be the reason, for you not to give a look if indeed you are interested in this mysterious information. Take for instance, a man known as Ford, Arnold Josiah who was born in Bridgetown, Barbados, (23rd April 1877 and died in Ethiopia on september 1935 . He was the son of Edward Ford and Elizabeth Augusta Braithwaite. He was called Rabbi (Araba)

Ford asserted in the interview he granted that his father’s ancestry could be traced to the Yoruba tribe of Nigeria and his mother’s to the Mendi tribe of Sierra Leone. According to his family’s oral history, their heritage extended back to one of the priestly families of the ancient Israelites, and in Barbados his family maintained customs and traditions that identified them with Judaism (Kobre, 27).

This man sanctuary was visited by Jewish Rabbi and said, the mode of worship was the ancient way of Hebrew. Can a Jewish Rabbi be wrong? The choice is yours.

absoluteSuccess:
Much respect sir, mayor

You have the words of a visionary leader who believes in the ability of his people, may you live to fulfill your good dreams in the land of your fathers and their fathers before them. Happy independent bro.

Wa sa role baba re o,
wa saa role baba re ye,
Kori je o pe l'aye.

I salute you Sir, and once you are online, I will want you acknowledge the evidence I will post. So as to encourage obalufonIII to post his ancestors name(s)..as mine.

Despite your inconsistency obalufonIII, ILEIFE(NINEVEH) that's not Nigeria ooo is older than Egypt of 5,000 BCE. This because Mesopotamian cultures is where Yoruba civilization was established and this can be attested even if there is no candid proof through Yoruba calender's date that's 10,000+ years .Thus the Yoruba spiritualism, was the basic pioneer culture the world long and enduring spiritualism developed.

WORLD CIVILISATION

It is very difficult to accurately give a single answer, as to what was the oldest civilization in the world. As per the research done by archaeologist and historians.

These five were the earliest civilizations of the world, which prospered around the same time, and they were

1.Mesopotamia,

2.Egypt

3. Indus Valley

4. Shang

5. Mesoamerica and Andean America South.

Although archaeological and anthropological evidence that proves that Egypt is one of the oldest civilization in the world, dating the existence of settlements back to 10000 BC. The civilization of Ancient Egypt has been responsible for several lasting legacies for humankind as a whole, including pyramids, mathematical systems, practice of medicine, glass making techniques, and also paper, in its earliest form.


Another discovered site is Göbekli Tepe (pronounced [ɟøbekˈli teˈpe], Turkish for "Potbelly Hill", which is an archaeological site in the Southeastern Anatolia Region of Turkey, approximately 12 km (7 mi) northeast of the city of Şanlıurfa . The tell has a height of 15 m (49 ft) and is about 300 m (980 ft) in diameter. It located in
Örencik, Şanlıurfa Province . This sanctuary was founded in 10th millennium BCE and abandoned 8th millennium BCE. The periods was Pre-Pottery Neolithic A to B. And this site is well preserved under UNESCO World Heritage Site.

Another striking similarity is the Yoruba calender without documented proof and the close date with Mesopotamian people's civilisation.

MayorofLagos:
Arab is a literate culture and had no reference of Yoruba migration. However you believe Ife is older than Egypt when there is nothing amongst the literate cultures of old to reference this assertion. How can we reconcile these two sides on literature and history? Which ancient writing culture wrote about Ife or about its age?

Yes, Arab literate culture had no record of Yoruba migration because Yoruba was not our ancestors name. Their names changed but their kingly pattern, language and IFA practice stood them out among all.

One of the major challenges in the ancient world was near absolute destruction of any civilisations that the new stronger ones subdued. Now , there was an account that was detailed of 100,000s Hebrew movement traced to the region of Sudan but the whereabouts of these Hebrews became unknown till today.

And ILE IFE of Nigeria has no archeology record over 15,000 years, even in Yoruba calender, it's 10,000+ years. And the only closely knitted record of fossil human was discovered in Iwo Eleru,whose bone didn't match Yoruba ancestors through test carried out by scientists in Germany is not up to15,000 years

According to archeological finding , three places have the highest fossil human as today, and ILEIFE Nigeria isn't even known. They are as follows:

1. Morroco = 300,000 years approximately

2. Ethiopia = 200,000+

3. Israel = 200,000 years approximately

As you can see, Nigeria was the foundational home of Yoruba through archeology.


Funny, enough, obalufonIII paid no significant attention to world history, as you can see . Instead, he want to use obalufon as a shield to distract you through his raised questions .

0balufonlll:
Ah, omo I can not stop laughing. Anyone who reads your post would think you have been to Ife, been to the ruling houses & were a thoroughbred Ife person. .

You fear to post your oriki again, it will further embarrass you & I understand that.

I am tired of finetuning your mind & won’t post my oriki. You have claimed lajodoogun was alagada ogun; then clamed Luusi was Lafogido’s son; then claimed you descended from Giesi because of just one line about ‘Oke’. Only you don claim 3 differenr ruling houses in Ife, only you! I won’t post my oriki for you to latch on to, nah. You wanna know, come to Ife. And my offer to take you to any of the ruling houses to prove your Luusi claim is still on the table.

olodo rabata, one's elderly one is called father in Yoruba lexicon because Uncle has no founding base in Yoruba ancient lexicon.

As you can see, I have littered this platform by calling you out to post your ancestors name in the ruling houses but you can't because you are not one of them.

Believe it or not, I will repost mine again for record purpose because of people like you. Mind you, I will post it on ‘ absoluteSuccess ' handle for him to acknowledge it and to taunt you because you don't respect facts. So that you will see me and acknowledged me in glory as I have defended my ancestors,the same way they defended theirs

*Note*
You will delete your handle sé, o dàmílojú gàn.

0balufonlll:
Loool so he has gone from Ogboru to Ogbooru? You keep learning from me per post. You should thank me for fine tuning your mind for free.

While we both know you’re lying about your 96 claim, do you know or did you visit Ogbooru house here to test the claim, no? Do you see the fault in your thinking now?

If you are that pressed to know my backgrounds, come to Ife, I will take you to the compounds, akodi & palace. That way, you can verify first hand. It is better than giving you my oriki for you to appropriate?

Leave the names alone if it Ogbooru or Ogboru, because what is relevant is for you to post the page your ancestors name appeared before Giesi. It is as simple as ABC.

I don't need your oriki Sir. Post your ancestors name in the Ruling Houses before Giesi was born. We can decipher it if it is true or not. Post it jaare. Are you not sure of yourself anymore?

absoluteSuccess:
Lol, he would only share what happens around the presentation of the oriki with you and not the oriki itself. With them, everything is always inadequate, your points ever fed to them is inadequate, but their own point nko?

....charades.

My brother, it's more than just Oriki because the FOUR RULING HOUSES, in the original pattern before contracted that includes – Lafogido, Giesi, Ogboru, and Oshikola, HAVE DETAILED names in their BOOK of the descendants of Oranmiyan through his direct son called LAJAMISAN. I don't need to claim what I am not because it is not worth it all. So,obalufonIII has no where to hide. He is one those likened in the ancient past that made the oral account of Yoruba history looked distorted.

Fact glows in ILEIFE Sir and I am privileged through a distant cousin to get some information.


cheers

0balufonlll:
Apart from taking glib on this thread:https://www.nairaland.com/1523702/oluyares-igbo-aborigines-ife-still/11

Mr. Olu olodo that has never stepped foot in Ilare in his life & knows nothing about Ogbooru other than what he gleams from internet pages has suddenly claimed Ogboru in Delta is related to Sijuade.

Even though it is generally known & proven that Ogbooru went upnorth towards Oyo axis, Mr. Olu still managed to claim the man strolled into Niger-Delta. .

Even though Ogbooru lived & died in Ife Odan with his offsprings settled in Ife Odan, Ede & certain villages in Ipetumodu, Mr. Olu still managed to say Ogboru of Niger-Delta & Ogbooru have blood ties.

Even though Ooni Ogbooru’s name is a shortened version of the full one with different pronunciation & meaning to that of Ogboru in Niger-Delta, Mr. Olu still managed to claim they are a family.

Mr. Olu did this only because of names that looked similar from effect of elision but different in spellings, meanings, pronunciations. Without asking the Ogboru of Niger Delta their, Mr. Olu the Nairaland scholar has found a root for them in a man who never stepped Niger Delta. .

Olu, the great researcher. I guess that was a typo too? I have a list of your useless claims & will post reminders to you here so you can tell everyone they are typos.

Yes, I did mention Ogbooru in Delta state as a descent of Ogbooru . Are you not a clown for this post? I was privileged to work in 1990s briefly as a journalist to know this, when the Deltan Ogbooru made mention of this. I am sure, you were still going around with sokoto penpe

Let me inform you that there are people who claim descendants of Orumila in Itsekiri Delta state. obalufonIII,Information is powerful.. LEARN FROM WHO KNOWS MORE THAN YOU.

Oga, POST YOUR ANCESTORS NAME IN THE PAGES OF ILEIFE HISTORY COMPOUND BOOK.

0balufonlll:
Ori eleyi o ma pe keh? .
You must think I’ll delete this handle because you’re going on & about over an oriki. You suffer from intense delusion. Since you would rather call Obalufon to tell other people about your oriki then you would have to call on the same Obalufon to tell you about my backrounds that I have already mentioned.

Your princehood goes as far as the class claimed by the sons of grade C kings. You know, if I came to your hometown I would get better treatment then you; if you came here, nobody would give a fxxk about you & your baale ancestors. . This is how you can tell the difference between you & I not on the pages of NL.

as usual èebúniwà. This one won't save you. Post your oriki and compound name in Oranmiyan and let's see your claim.

Like I said, you will run..... I am not perturbed at all with your negative words as you can see my Oriki works for me . I am as calm as ever...... Just post your oriki sé and let's see who is worth being glorified as the REAL PRINCE. Mind you, princehood does not bring money to one's pocket nor a stigma but recognition and lineage purpose .....Yoruba tradition acknowledge many warrior sons in the ancient Yoruba land Ooni Oranmiyan descendant are acknowledged through this same pattern and my own ancestors are acknowledged as his direct sons .

Mr. leave distraction and do the needful. After all you claimed ILEIFE. Funny enough I am the one that's supposed to shy away from posting it if I had lied but I posted it for obalufon to see it on this same platform. So do the needful obalufonIII. Proof yourself.

Unfortunately, you made me do this to you because of your actions online. As far as I am concerned, there are so many obalufon descendants with glorious characters but you are proud,disrespectful and ignorant of history.....

0balufonlll:
Ori eleyi o ma pe keh? .
You must think I’ll delete this handle because you’re going on & about over an oriki. You suffer from intense delusion. Since you would rather call Obalufon to tell other people about your oriki then you would have to call on the same Obalufon to tell you about my backrounds that I have already mentioned.

Your princehood goes as far as the class claimed by the sons of grade C kings. You know, if I came to your hometown I would get better treatment then you; if you came here, nobody would give a fxxk about you & your baale ancestors. . This is how you can tell the difference between you & I not on the pages of NL.

as usual èebúniwà. This one won't save you. Post your oriki and compound name in Oranmiyan and let's see your claim.

Like I said, you will run..... I am not perturbed at all with your negative words as you can see my Oriki works for me . I am as calm as ever...... Just post your oriki sé and let's see who is worth being glorified as the REAL PRINCE. Mind you, princehood does not bring money to one's pocket nor a stigma.....Many warrior sons in the ancient Yoruba Ooni Oranmiyan descendant are acknowledged and mine own ancestors are acknowledged.

Mr. leave distraction and do the needful. After all you claimed ILEIFE. Funny enough I am the one that's supposed to shy away from posting it if I had lied but I posted it for obalufon to see it on this same platform. So do the needful obalufonIII. Proof yourself.

Unfortunately, you made me do this to you because of your actions online. As far as I am concerned, there are so many obalufon descendants with glorious characters but you are proud,disrespectful and ignorant of history.

MayorofLagos:
Even those forebearers went against tradition before them to create a new thinking. Their own theories are not immune from new rules, understanding and creative inputs. By the way what do you call distortions? Proposing strong and convincing theories on Yoruba migration is a distortion? You must not be serious.

MayorofLagos:
Omo ibo, what did you get your degree in, what was your major? Your case is worse than shallow, you are empty! Have you heard the word "adire" before? Do you not think the "addereth" of the Hebrews and the "adire" of the Yorubas is same, particularly in the context of that screenshot article ? Allright, where did you go to school? It can't be anywhere in Yorubaland. Jeezus!!!

My brother, I tire ooo. One of them thought and claimed, I am a theologian . Meanwhile, ‘Cognates are words in two languages that share a similar meaning, spelling, and pronunciation'. olodo rabata ni awon eniyan yi oooo

The author of the book, Hebrew and their Custom didn't study nor did research on Yoruba culture but on Ancient Hebrews oooo but here we are, with people who are contesting what they don't know . Instead of them to verify this claim, they kept mute throw negative words against, whom they ought give credit . Just imagine these set of clowns' and their brains?

What I intend to publish in the future will show the footprints of ancient Yorubas in Middle East because evidence abound in proto language.

0balufonlll:
Lol I expect you to deflect. I suppose your alagadaogun here was a typo too?

You expect me to post my Oriki so you can further perpetuate your fraud & claim my backgrounds too?

Stop this digression because you are the the liar Mr. Man, about your ancestors as being an ancestors of Giesi. So Please Post your oriki..... . I don't need your father's name nor surname but your ancestors name in oranmiyan ruling's compound Houses

Mind you, obalufon saw it, when I posted mine ,FEW DAYS AGO AS HE IS A WITNESS of MINE.

Obalufon:
even some Oriki are emi omo ejo Nla ,,Emi omo ekun..Omo erin jogun Ola ... They are attributes of ancestral lineage ..Edun has a deeper meaning than mere monkey likewise Ijmire

I don't doubt you . But why wait to explain what you know? I know you know a lot...... Akanda eda know you.Wise oney Teach us what you know.

absoluteSuccess:
Now that you know, kindly continue what you needed to do to stop it.

Fellow, I love poverty so much, its my primary constituency, it is.

keep being very happy bro, I am a very poor person.

Now that you know, kindly continue what you needed to do to stop it.

Fellow, I love poverty so much, its my primary constituency, it is.

keep being very happy bro, despite these clowns attitude . Just imagine that guy doubting my ancestors strength ? Ooo boi, ài sí ní'lè ogínní, ìlè d'ílè èkútè.

My prayer is for he obalufonIII to post his ancestors oriki in oranmiyan descendant so that he will dread me forever.... Ìgbàyén lo mà mó pè kijipa kí sè àwó.

Obalufon:
bro ..i need more information on monkey story by your friend absolute.. he real makes lots of sense with the yoruba Hebrew connection . but there are little flaws on his long write up.. Esu is not devil there is nothing devil in ife or yoruba tradition. and the story of gbo too
..

But why is this particular monkey venerated in traditional beliefs of the Yorubas? What makes it so special?

2. Does this mean that the Yoruba ancestors had some ideas on human evolution?

Youruba Mythology on Ijimere

There are so many myths on ijimere but I will state these two

According to Yoruba tradition, Ijimere is the red patas monkey . And the myth is that the Ijimere was once a human being and devoted follower of the great god, Orunmila. As a human being, Ijimere was a highly-gifted hunter who also had overflowing powers of magic. But on one occasion, he committed an act of disloyalty against Orunmila who out of anger placed a heavy curse on Ijimere and he was transformed into the monkey that he is today. The myth goes further that although Ijimere retains some of its human features, the curse meant that it will forever live inside the forest but will be superior to other animals in intelligence.

Another myth states that Ijimere was produced when a woman mated with an ape but scientifically that is not even a possibility. However, the ifa myth that gave us this line is called Owonrin Meji and according to that divination narrative, Ijimere then asked that he become the first masquerader named Labala for ’in this form his animal features would be covered up’.


Edun and Twin connection.

Ẹ̀jìrẹ́ ará ìṣokún.
Ẹdúnjobí
Ọmọ ẹdun tíí ṣeré orí igi
Ọ́-bẹ́-kẹ́ṣé-bẹ́-kàṣà
Meanwhile,the Edun specie is the brown/black monkey and the oriki of Ibeji as, the Edunjobi.....it amazes...

0balufonlll:
This exactly how this man exposes himself as a fraud.

This man just jampacked Ogun’s chant with Esu in that line. He was supposed to write:

For Esu: ’Esu ola ilu ogiri oko, elekun sukun, Esu sun eje’.

And for Ogun: ‘Ogun ola kari aye, osin imole, olomi nile fi eje we’.

This fraud of a man took two lines from two different deities & blended them all because he wanted to appear original to his backers & unsuspecting folks.

This Olu knows nothing academically & traditionally speaking yet he won’t fall back to learn. How I wish you were at Esu sacred spot saying reciting that, you would have been his minced meat in days to come. You need get of Nairaland & spend your days like every reasonable person to learn properly.

...Teacher, , I can see your ignorance. But are you using typo error as your strength? Come up with another thing . Even your own information on part of Esu's oriki was wrong . May be,you didn't see the edited version ?.. .
You seem to forget easily