₦airaland Forum

RedboneSmith:
You are probably not aware of this, but in both Edo and Igbo languages, 'kọ' means 'to plant/to cultivate'.

Sir, plant is not plant in Yoruba but ‘gbín'. But where in Igboland is such word used? Edo's case is understandable because of transferred of learned word from Original speaker, who were the Yorubas. But Igbo use ‘Geurogbo', for cultivate.‘Ugbo' is farm in Igboland. While oko is farm in Yorubaland. What is your point Sir?

macof:
The content of the news itself doesnt state "official language", Yoruba is to be taught in schools thats all

Join ,‘Yoruba Nation', on FB. You are more important to me than non Yoruba. Trust me, I am more than natural.


I look forward meeting ,the part of you that is submissive to IFA and the God of my and our ancestors.

0balufonlll:
Baba, I have the 9jacrip handle for a while so I had to let it go. Ditto for subsequent handles.

The problem here is not about what you know or if people believe you. It is about:

1. Overview of earlier literatures if they agree with you. And incase they don’t, (i) what studies hace you conducted to write off early works. (ii) how did you condict this study that yielded different results from other scholars?

2. What is your methodology? Are you guided by laid down principles of the field? If not, (i) what principles did you use and (ii) did you test it with other case studies for efficacy? Mr. Olaochi did that with Japan & Yoruba, so...

As for no knowledge being lost, I did look at the Ilorin weblink and saw one of the journals written by my former HOD. And the other one by the foreigner. Solid works but with teir gaps nonetheless and they did not addeess Fulani being Gambari perspective.

As for the cosmopolitan nature of Ilorin and interplay of settler groups, see this that I found online: http://kubanni.abu.edu.ng/jspui/bitstream/123456789/8137/1/THE%20DYNAMICS%20OF%20POLITICAL%20DEVELOPMENT%20IN%20A%20MULTICULTURAL%20SOCIETY%20THE%20CASE%20OF%20ILORIN%20DURING%20THE%2019TH%20AND%2020TH%20CENTURIES..pdf .

Well, your nos 1 and 2 will be dealt with the year the work will be complete at the right time in your lifetime and all others who want to see the glory of Yorubas from the past through the test of time till now.

On the man you mentioned,who intend to portray opinion as compared to my research work need lay claim to aboriginal status of Yoruba because that is bis focal strength but instead use Japanese people that reside and indigenous to Asia .How does it fit ? In as much ,you are a scholar,then you need understand narrowing down to West Africa ought be his area of concentration because that is HIS BASE!

On Gambari, I didnt say Fulani were precisely Gambari but a kind of group that yoruba classifed as the same as Fulanis . After all, Gambaris came from Mahli to Yoruba land and not directly from Hausa Land . Perhaps they were part of the Moors? Altbough I havent done any research to support that perspective. Beside, Alimi was claimed to be of Arab's colour i.e light skin(Fulani) by the account of ,‘ The Yoruba from the Earliest Time,which was written by Samuel Johnson.Funny enough, the Emir of Ilorin still has his name attached to Gambari. And I am yet to see an Hausa man that bears,‘Gambari', as a name.

0balufonlll:
Baba, I have the 9jacrip handle for a while so I had to let it go. Ditto for subsequent handles.

The problem here is not about what you know or if people believe you. It is about:

1. Overview of earlier literatures if they agree with you. And incase they don’t, (i) what studies hace you conducted to write off early works. (ii) how did you condict this study that yielded different results from other scholars?

2. What is your methodology? Are you guided by laid down principles of the field? If not, (i) what principles did you use and (ii) did you test it with other case studies for efficacy? Mr. Olaochi did that with Japan & Yoruba, so...

As for no knowledge being lost, I did look at the Ilorin weblink and saw one of the journals written by my former HOD. And the other one by the foreigner. Solid works but with teir gaps nonetheless and they did not addeess Fulani being Gambari perspective.

As for the cosmopolitan nature of Ilorin and interplay of settler groups, see this that I found online: http://kubanni.abu.edu.ng/jspui/bitstream/123456789/8137/1/THE%20DYNAMICS%20OF%20POLITICAL%20DEVELOPMENT%20IN%20A%20MULTICULTURAL%20SOCIETY%20THE%20CASE%20OF%20ILORIN%20DURING%20THE%2019TH%20AND%2020TH%20CENTURIES..pdf .

On your nos 1 and 2 will be dealt with the year the work will be complete. All we are doing here is basically .

On the man you mentioned,who intend to portray opinion as compared to my research work need lay claim to aboriginal status of Yoruba because that is bis focal strength but instead use Japanese people that reside and indigenous to Asia .How does it fit ? In as much ,you are a scholar,then you need understand narrowing down to West Africa ought be his area of concentration because that is HIS BASE!

On Gambari, I didnt say Fulani were precisely Gambari but a kind of group that yoruba classifed as the same as Fulanis . After all, Gambaris came from Mahli to Yoruba land and not directly from Hausa Land . Perhaps they were part of the Moors? Altbough I havent done any research to support that perspective. Beside, Alimi was claimed to be of Arab's colour i.e light skin(Fulani) by the account of ,‘ The Yoruba from the Earliest Time,which was written by Samuel Johnson.Funny enough, the Emir of Ilorin still has his name attached to Gambari. And I am yet to see an Hausa man that bears,‘Gambari', as a name.

macof, I didn't Create from these words from thin air. Did I? ‘em' , ‘e'em' are still cognate to ‘eym' . The screenshot is below

macof:
But you have not answered even close to half my questions

most of what you wrote here are just more claims which will just bring more questions...why not try to not make any claims at all or go off topic until you have answered me

Field work? Discipline? do you know what these terms mean?
well, Lets not argue this one...main thing is that you have clarified that you are not a pastor

Pealim.com https://scontent-frt3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/41654924_1595333913946103_8883794854232981504_n.png?_nc_cat=0&oh=88518e8f9d9a117a906f54212f72624f&oe=5C291979

Your dictionary link proves my earlier statement that 'iye'(mother) is 'ima' or 'ema' in Hebrew and disproves yours vehemently. Mr. Olu, did you lie when you said 'mother' is 'eym' in hebrew?

Why would you want to resort to lies?


I think you were trying to answer question no. 1 here... I'm not sure but i'll take it as such

Nobody is sure about how many times Ife has been moved, or if it has ever been moved...People just suggest and throw out the possibility that current Ile-ife wasnt the site of the first Ife.. Personality, I am of that opinion too..but that leaves us with a question? ; Where were the previous Ife? And how many previous Ife existed?
Now I don't have the answer but feel free to tell us...with evidence


there are too many stories of Orunmila coming to Ikole-Aye from Orun.. but I hope you know 'orun' means 'spiritual realm' and its not an actual place where one can "migrate" from

Ikole is not Ikole-aye. Ikole was an Ekiti kingdom, and Ikole-aye is Earth itself


How is Moba related to Hebrew?

If you are trying to suggest that not all Yoruba towns originated from modern ile-ife...that bit is already recognized by historians...so yes, according to Atolagbe(although himself not an actual historian, but his book is so far the best we have on Otun history) the Otun Oore emerged from the water at Moba in Lagos state...it is explicit in the citations made by Atolagbe "okun moba lehin eko"

But how does this connect to hebrews?

This was my no.5 question

rather than claim 'ke' means mountain in ancient egyptian language, you should have directed me to your sources on remnant hebrew traditions in yoruba

Like i said before, just saying this means this, that means that is not the way to show connection between two different languages, you need to bring a lot of examples and identify a pattern of change. for example.. In Yoruba 'sh' becomes 'ch' in Igala eg. Isu - Ichu. Ose - Oche. Osu - Ochu. esisi - echichi. 'r' in Yoruba becomes 'l' in Igala eg. Irawo - Ilawo. Oruka - Elika. etc like 'g' and 'w' are usually rendered into 'gw' in Igala eg. Ewa -Egwa, Ogun -Ogwu
You can then use the pattern to reconstructed a little bit of the proto-yoruba-igala language.

there is also a 'r' 'h' 'l' romance between Yoruba and Igbo eg. 'Ohun' - 'olu'. 'orun'(neck) - 'olu' . 'ara' - 'ahu'. 'orun'(sky) - 'Elu' (this one actually can help understand what the yoruba 'orun' etymology is because 'elu' is still used among igbos to be 'high above')

which brings me to one interesting point that an OAU linguist Bolaji Aremo wrote in his book 'How Yoruba and Igbo became different languages'
Yoruba - Irunmu (pubic hair) = Irun amu. Igbo - Amu(Peniss)


ps. if you want to claim egyptian or hebrew words mean anything please post a link to a dictionary or a picture, because the 'eym' lie you told is still fresh...your words cannot be trusted (especially as no dictionary i could get my hand on says so)
you can also always ask me of the same, should you look my words up and find no dictionary



This was my question

Sorry, you have failed to make me see what you are seeing. Maybe you should look at my questions again and if you cant find answers maybe you should start rethinking your claims first



4million years? human ability to communicate is barely 40thousand years and baba is calling out 4 million years for one single language

So far You haven't even shared your work, my questions was all about getting you to show a bit of your work...cause baseless claims do us no good


you only addressed 2 or 3 of my questions...which if i wanted to be serious would only generate more questions..because with each post you make, you make new claims without any explanation, talkless of evidence

. I have never referred to Igala as non Yoruboid,at anytime ( please verify). Despite the difference of origin but I submitted my views based on àróbá and that the language developed through Yoruba's migration, and intermarriage with Nupe-Atta's descendants,which helped shaped the basis for the language of Igala. How do I mean? In every Yoruba town,the leader must either be a prince or a chosen leader ,who is related to Noble home,directly or indirectly. Then IFA is foundational religion. Attah and their ancient group didnt have link to IFA nor know anything about Eledaa who is Ori's creator . Even ‘Gun'-Ajah has close proximity with Yoruba clans in Bénin Republic and do have share infiltrated words but the ethnologue of these two language have been dissected and they differ. You can lay your hand on the ‘Ethnologue of Bénin Republique'.

2. It was supposed to be less than 4000 which was intended to be conveyed. ‘4000,000', was a mere typo error because there is no previous posts of mine that didnt support the less than 4000 years.

3. Bolaji Aremu said such in his work but I am sure you know there was a research that showed Ibo is said to be the oldest language on earth .Does this not nullied Bolaji Aremu's claim? This was proved through cognate words of more ancient Kemet,which was the name of Horus,that was presence in Ibo's language .Depsite the Ibo alphabets being shaped by some missionary and Rev.Samuel Ajayi Crowther didnt acknowledge the insibidi lettering in Iboland?And the Yorubas were a developed group over a thousand year ago and didn't know this Ibo lettering?. After all, Yoruba prince made his presence known in Edoland,over 1000 years ago where some Ibo scholars claimed Ibos had once lived. This also support my nos 1 answer

4. Élu is up iin Ibo and does not in any way relate, with Oorún( sun) of Yoruba's and ancient Hebrew's ‘or'(sun) In fact Yoruba's Orán (light of sun ) do have same cognate with Hebrew's ‘or'( sun light).

5. You call me a liar on ‘eym' of Ancient Hebrew as having cognate Yoruba word? Didnt I post the ancient Hebrew with it before the English alphabets' interpretation ? Well pealim.com is not among at all,if you sesrch for the earliest ancient Hebrew and has never been useful to me before or now.So get this off your mind. I surpas that site.

6. Moba descendants have account ,of their migration the same way the Odua descendants have account of descending from Oke - Ora ( Hil - mountain of Ora ), in the same way Ancient Kemet's ‘ke' –hill and ‘Ra'( Pharaoh-turned god).

7. Rethink? Hmmmm, you are funny . Have you not seen that I screenshot some words- etymological appendix?

Lemme recommend the following books if you want to quash my research but I know, you will be humbled tthrough the shocking revelation you will see.They are:

Lexicons
The Analytical Hebrew and Chaldee Lexicon

Dictionaries
Etymological Dictionary of Biblical Hebrew

The Word: The Dictionary That Reveals The Hebrew Source of English

I will give another Jáàrá

Hebrew: ikkar
Meaning: in servitude

Aramaic: kr
Meaning: cultivate

Yoruba : Kó(r)
Meaning: cultivate

OlaoChi:
You are so unintelligent

Yoruba as a native west African nation is already a case study, I can't make it what it already is, take that up with Historians and Linguists in the university

Funny thing is now I have to explain to this dead brain since he doesn't understand
you are claiming Yoruba have Hebrew origin and I use the Japanese stuff to at least make you use your brain to realize that your word match up technique can apply to any language, anyone can claim anything as Yoruba language using the word match up.. "Oh, these words sound similar or are spelled similar, so they must be cognates" That's what you do, and that's what I've done with the Japanese stuff. But your brain is too miniscule to comprehend what I'm trying to teach you.

If you want to try, I'll show you that Yoruba - Japanese has more solid ground than your Yoruba - Hebrew
Even I've already shown that
If you want to defraud people online and create a fake persona at least use brain. Brainless fraud

Show the Japanese please even if it is stretched out of its original form . Altnough West Africa's ethnic group wiith such cognates with Yoruba's was what you claimed,so defend it or even with any other African's ethnic groups ,instead of a faraway ethnic group that their traces did not exist as such in Africa. See our Japanese's expert ooo? But ,know I won't give you much attention because you are the pained one,with uncultured attitude as our ancestors usually call the sets of humans without mannerism in ancient yorubas Towns I have the definite opinion to emphasis on the history of the people I have mentioned . After all, Hebrew have lived thousands of years in Africa but the same cannot be said of the Japanese . So,kindly show West Africa's intelligible ethnic group's or other Africans ,except Egyot word list which has Yoruba's cognate. Since, vocabulary is a problem to you,then it is ideal to help you out a bit.

What's linguistic?

linguistics:- A language which is reconstructed by examining similarities in existing languages to try to deduce what a common ancestor language, no longer known, would have been like.synonyms language.


What's cognate?

Allied by blood; kindred by birth; specifically (legal) related on the mother's side.Of the same or a similar nature; of the same family; proceeding from the same stock or root; allied; kindred.(linguistics)

The killer point is:- ‘Either descended from the same attested source lexeme of ancestor language, or held on the grounds of the methods of historical linguistics to be regular reflexes of the unattested, reconstructed form of a proto-language'.

‘olodo' somebody that has been diagnosed as suffering from lack of scholarly knowledge syndrome cannot understand proto- language. For clarity, I inform because am well learned but you don't know Jack! For four years counting without anything to show for it because you have learned nothing. This nna descendant? A shame!

Just enjoying myself ... Kai .....Assignment for olodo...........

0balufonlll:
LOL just watch and you’ll see them claiming to research Japanese-Yoruba connection and citing you as an authority. They’ll even tell you Buddha is the short form of ‘Buje-Budanu’.

Buje Budanu indeed! Anyway I don't claim what I have not researched . It is practically inborne with me because I know a lot on this field . But if you dont believe, well no problem. And if indeed you are 9jacrip,then I was right to suspiciously claimed you'll delete your moniker. soon.

Furthermore I believe you are partly in this field and I know finding some of these things I have posted looked stranged but I assure, you will see it in public domain and I shall wait for your critical condemnation of it if you can.But certainly tne advantages it brings to my father's throne in ILEIFE is worth more than the insult and condemnation, I receive on this platform. So no big deal. You could smile and ignore or be part of a train that need begin to look forward to deciphering the code on Oranmiyan's staff, Phylliac on Ogun's stone and other places that hieroglyphs may have been found in Yoruba land. And definitely, by doing this, am sure it will go a long way in reshaping the history of Yorubas.

As far as I am concerned,no knowledge is lost,no matter how little it is because reading through the site below will expose you more to the cosmopolitan nature of Ilorin and you will understand the ethnicity of the people who were the foundational members of Ilorin Town.Perhaps, you will realise that it was Ilorin of The Gambaris(Alimi, his followers and his descendants from Mali) were referred to and there was fracas between the Fulanis and Gambaris,that the proverb was coined. No proverb existed in Yoruba land without a link to something or an event in the course of Yoruba history . Peruse http://www.Ilorin.info

Google(ethnic pluralism of Ilorin)

‘ILORIN –THE JOURNEY SO FAR'* BY L.A.K. JIMOH


Cheers

Just imagine ignorance? Yes, oka - Agbado/ local custard in yoruba language . Wikipedia will help you not me because Japan isn't an Alien one. But Is this all you can do? JAPAN IS IN ASIA oooo and not West Africa. Or am I missing something about Japan's history being a West Africa country ? . Lemme hit you more, that thunder in many part of Asia, one or two in European countries have cognates with Yoruba's thunder. In fact, one or so group in Australia have some word which has word coined like Yoruba's thunder. kill yourself on what you don't know.

Least O I forget, please narrowed down your research to‘ WEST AFRICA ETHNICITY' so that it becomes, ‘ a case study'.After all,you claimed West African aboriginal status and linked groups to Yorubas. Kindly list just one that has even oka or Oke in West Africa ethnicity. Bloody nna dem dem descendants

Assignment.........?
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macof:
Olu317 these are all the questions you ignored
These questions are not random questions, they are necessarily response to your post...I asked each based on something you said and only want you to go further

:You can click on the 'macof' links below to go back to the original posts













So here we are. This is how scholars do it, so don't be afraid, I'm sure you can defend your theories

Lemme clearly state here as the following:
1. I am not a pastor ooo nor has christianity being the basis for my field work nor my discipline.

2. Pealim is one of the site, to verify information but trust me,there are other site that will help you on it. Do you want to study ancient Hebrew? I shall be willing to be of a help. Beside,‘em',‘e'em',‘eym' are closely linked.

3.ILEIFE that was termed as the ancestral home of Olofin Ooni, or yoruna has even be claimed to have being relocated more than 7 times. And th forebearers remembered didnt have ancestors.....who were their ancestors? Furthermore, I expect you to know the history of Yorubas ,according to documented acount. So, no need to drag me backward.Even when one visits an Onifa, an account testify to this; in the corpus of IFA, there are account which reference an account of when Orunmila is travelling .

For instance, when orunmila was said to be coming from Orú to Ikolè Àyè.......Did Ikolè existed in Yoruba land during Orunmila's time?

4.In the history of Otun Ooré,their account acknowledged migration through the sea and moved through Lagos before they settled down in Ileife and further emigration outside Ileife. Where did Otun and his people came from?

5.‘ ke',after decoded means,‘mountain', in ancient Egyptian language and there is a land of ,‘Ra' and there is ‘ mountain Ra' which literarily mean (Ke'Ra).

6. I know Oke Taase is the home of Araba and the lineage has been from Orunmila descendants even till now. Why is Ado claiming Home of IFA? Addo-Iddo-Haddad was an ancient home of some Hebrew priests

As you can see, Yoruba land in Nigeria is a reflection of where they came through to remembering and naming every abode that they settled down in, with their ancestral names. As you can see there's more to what you don't know that you need to know about Yoruba that some of us are already exploring.

My postulation is ; Yoruba language is less than 4000,years because, it was derivative of ancient Egypt(kemet) during hieroglyphs period+ancient Hebrew = Yoruba.

Henceforth, I will be economical and won't share my work anymore but my opinion.

Modified

Engaging you is unwise idea because when a wise one continue to answer a fool in a foolish manner as the fool does, doing or did, then wisdom becomes scarce commodity to wise one.But loo,my wisdom is enshrined in the ancestral God of my ancestors ,because son of a great King is a ‘king' and the wisdom upon me is divine. I am Amóroro that you will never take your eyes away from because I am a divine being.

I know your blood is Ibo so continue in your Ibo connection with Yorubas,which an average yoruba will land a dirty slap on your face for such defamation of ethnic character if you say such to them in public, when it is an argument time. Try such with the downtrodden Yorubas and see ‘hell' on earth. Furthermore ,accuse me of claiming Hebrew ancestry? The yoruba account also said so through oral account, even if there are disagreement. The yoruba oral account said that Odua, descended from Oke Ora. Is Yoruba land the only place with known Oke Ora? Empty head, go to Egypt to see,where Oke+Ra existed during Paharaoh's time .Still descending down from Oke Ora did not pegged his ancestral father's home ,a must in oke ora . They descended from Oke ora meant, they came down unto their new abode from coming down from the mountain of ‘Ra'. Go find out which people who always used Mountain to shield themselves. In fact many western reseachers who got oral accounts from local Yorubas believed yoruba lived with Egyptians and Hebrew at one time or the other. So continue in your Ibo ignorance as alink to Yoruba. A people that was seen by Yoruba as barbaric in their culture, when a part of their displays HUMA SKULL publicly to show a victory in war. Yet Ibo language does not have archaic cognates with ancient Yoruba's language except phony words that are easily transferable due to close proximity through Samuel Ajayi Crowther that helped Ibos standardise Ibo's alphabets. Oponu,even Ibos are struggling within themselves to understanding each clan's dialects.

Anyway, your ancestors were Ibos that settledown in Yorubaland . And at the right time, you all shall be uprooted or become withered away. So my enemies have become frustrated so much because, Ìsé orí rán ní mo njé . The polluted minds have not seen anything yet because you shall pay to peruse my work. Bé'ní , nítorípè Bèlèbèlè ní èwè ojú omí n jo , ài rojú ai r'àíyè ní o bà gbogbo èyín ótà tè'mí ní'kánkán....Éee ooo Èyi'Àshé.

OlaoChi:
Shut up jàre. What etymology did you give? You don't know the meaning of etymology? You have never provided any evidence or answered any questions to convince anyone
Just rants

That statement ‘shut up jare 'is for my agemate in your entire family.

As usual, they will always be antagonising without evidence to counter ,the etymology I have given, the screenshots , which I find acceptable because, not all have eyes to see nor ears to hear. But the majority of the Yorubas dont identify themselves with any group but Yorubas. Where then,do these Ogas in the past and present got their own clue about Yoruba being related to Fon, Ibo, Nupe, etc? Anyway, I expect these people to be bold enough to come pinned their family to IleIfe Ijébu'Rémó did. . Let these people that you have mentioned point to any group in Ileife as their ancestral home as other yorubas did. Or sè ómó má fí òwó osì júwè ìlè Bàbà rè ? Anyway, I am 100% sure you dont have such understanding as regard the ancient ways of Yoruba ancestors to know what made them unique. Plainly,you cant understand what you dont know.

In his book,Understanding the whole student, Benjamin Lee Whorf stated, in what has become known as the Whorf hypothesis, that; "language is not simply a way of voicing ideas, but is the very thing which shapes those ideas." As you can see an hypothesis was propounded by a well known scholar in the western world who understand how language is a way of people's life and its connection to her tradition, to understanding what make such ethnic group,behaves the way they do.

As you can see macof,your view is shallow on your claim as I had said on the usage of peculiar word as solely used in Yoruba cosmology and spiritualism because each ethnic group's language is the basis for their spiritual connection to metaphysics....Édà is a spiritual word that became popular because, Yoruba traditional system acknowledged through Onifà, who tell the Yoruba seeker what to do so as to appease his/her creator called, Élédáà . And on Ènian/Èniyàn, the hypothesis also counter your opinion.

As many who enjoy being relevant to claiming a field so eminent in human history from.Yoruba perspective should go back to Western world's higher college to learn more about humanity as a whole. Oke Ora in Yoruba land was ne'er the birth place of Odua ,jn the same manner the hierology and adimula or Adimunia meaning is shrewded in mystery's.

On a last note, stop crying over spilled milk because my information has been proven with citations from western researched work,who have being busy deciphering Ancient Hebrew, Greek,Persian,Assyian, Egyptian's ancient form of writing. Kindly move along the jet age to solve the hidden riddle so as to bring the glory of Yorubas being Yorubas. A people with their great religiousness and spiritual connection to Èlèdúmárè

For some that want information,but dont provide any,should also ponder on the cognate between:

Hebrew: Adéreth
Meaning: Fabric


Yoruba: Àdíré
Meaning: Fabric



For those,who dont understand the first alphbet of ancient Hebrew's pronunciation should note that ,‘ aleph', is pronounced as ‘À', and not, ‘A', as in ‘a-id'.


Learning has begun for, ‘Doubting Thomases',

bigfrancis21:
First, maybe you should look up the definition of 'official language' to know what it truly means.

Second, you're quoting what someone said as 'valid' facts with no solid proof. I could claim that a house of representative here in the US made a statement and would you value it as real?

In the meantime i'll leave you to your imaginations.

Oh k .......Well, I am in a group,where whatever you upload is verified before public consumption. Anyway,enjoy yourself.

For a language to be taught in Brazil's school,simply justifies the adoption of Yoruba as an Official language, so that the Yoruba descendants in Brazil,will feel closer to their ancestral home in west Africa.

From Yoruba Nation on FB says, ‘NewsmakersNG was told in an exclusive interview with the Brazilian minister of culture, Dr Sérgio Sá leitão at the weekend in Brazil that the government has introduced the compulsory study of African History and Yoruba language into the primary and secondary schools curriculum'.

macof:
smh.. the post you are quoting was not for you oga.
i will repost all my previous posts to you ..but first let me address the so many errors here



1. and English is a spoken language among a group of oyinbos...do you ever read what you post 'geesi' is 'english' ..simple
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2. while this has no relevance to the topic, i just thought i should point this out, since my whole intention of responding to this post was to set misconceptions straight....oranmiyan had one side light, the other dark, at least according to ife traditions..i believe 0balufonlll will correct me if i am wrong. This is why the lokoloko paint themselves like this
[img]https://jujufilms.files./2013/11/image51.jpg?w=584[/img]




what exactly is ancient yoruba? you keep saying ancient yoruba and historians haven't even defined what ancient yoruba is, but you say it so well...so explain this please.

you do realize Hausa-fulani is a thing? During this time Fulani had already created the Sokoto caliphate and spread it over Hausaland, so Fulani and Hausa formed one country... that is exactly what is expressed in the saying at no. 2.
if fulani is gambari then no. 2 makes no sense as that would mean...fulani kill fulani, are they not one? if yoruba already call fulani by 'fulani' why use 'gambari' in the same sentence to refer to the same fulani


You expose yourself to have only very basic knowledge of yoruba studies but like to gloat like you are some professor, unfortunately gloat on your misconceptions...so I just smh all through, there is nothing special to prepare oga, if this is where your knowledge begins and ends

i never said you did, the post you quoted was not directed to you..and nobody even said 'eniyan' is hebrew word for human being.. try to comprehend before you post


then why mention Dierk Lange at all when you have your personal arsenal of knowledge greater than his?

please let us in on some of these words...
you will also have to show us the complete semantics even in form of etymologies to demonstrate how you arrived at the conclusion that two words from two different languages are actually cognates

Let me give you one tip, try making use of dialects...because if you only have standard yoruba at your disposal and you want to link yoruba language to any other language, you have failed before you even begin



Eda Adariwurun was coined by Islamic scholars? ok, do you have a reference for this?

obviously you talk without ever putting yoruba dialects in mind... like i said your knowledge of yoruba is at its most basic level, surprising how you are feeling like one professor
ohun is SWY, that is the pattern of some of the changes in the dialects...'r' becomes 'h'
in some SEY there is no 'r' at all...like in Ondo it is "Oun"





eeyan kan ku ati igara meji? abi? so you mean to say only yoruba are human beings in this world?

is there any family that doesnt have its oral history

Well, I did not in anyway discarded Dierk Lange assertion, despite his inability to seal the connection between Yoruba's traces of Ancient Hebrewism, in the like manner, Bowen, Parrinder, Leo Fronebius, Burns, Mr Mollison, Miss, Kingsley, Dr. Westerman, Dr. Farrow,etc saw strange characteristics of a civilization that dated back to the ancient Meditterean, Hebrew customs and Egypt's. Although there is heavy influence from
Yoruba's neighbouring communities, due conscription of other people's dieties but Yoruba still maintained IFA's knowledge with, ‘a do or die' approach that sustained this tradition to a large extent .

Even if your opinion that says, I am not vast in Yoruba language or history is just a way to cause a distraction from the point at hand because my knowledge on yoruba people is quite vast so,let go off the ,‘professor's tag out of it .

A linguist once affirmed, that language semblance or having cognate is borne out two reason, by Einar Eugene, which are:

1. That the new speakers of a language or carrier of the language were as a products of migrants status of the speakers from their original abode to another location,in which the language could be stretched out of it original form.

2. That the new speakers were thought the language by the owner of language through being borrowed and therefore becomes a transferred language.

From the above submission,it show that these method to understudy, how language could be formed are based as a result of these two reason. And one of the two reasons is as a result of Yoruba language and her variant dialects from their exact place of migration and not as a result of language divergence 4000 years ago from their neighborhood that can neither understand ,the saying of ,‘IFA' nor understand its historical foundation .The 4000 years ago, that our renowned professors claimed was a period that Egypt's language was already being documented through hieroglyphs.

Do you know, the Egypt's hieroglyphs inscribed to call the name of snake is represented with the modern day, ‘J', letter?
I am sure you know that snake in Yoruba word is èjo'. The ,‘J', sound is tonal.

Do you also know snake in ancient Egypt's Pharaoh headwear was called ‘EUraeus'? The snake was worshipped and I am sure you know Yoruba have a snake variant known as ‘Èrè' and being worshipped.

Furthermore, the ancient Hebrew fabric being woven and worn by the Hebrew had a particular name called Àdereth. I am sure you know Àdiré is also present in Yoruba clothing attire. Are these also coincidence? If you doubt, verify.

On Oranmiyan as you had wanted to proof a point, is not even worth it because your opinion is everywhere as regard his complexion. Clearly for someone to have a patches of darkskin and light skin on his body, simply mean, he had a tanned skin....I expect you to know this as an historian-well a studied man. Have you for once heard of the complexion of Ooni -Olofin ? Kindly share.

Again, do I have to show reference until you believe adariwurun is modern? Afterall, the Onifa-Adifa- with vast knowledge will do justice to this,since you have knowledge of Yoruba cosmology. Plainly, Yoruba words are coded inside the corpus of IFA.This is reason I know ‘Eda' is a stand alone word and strictly used by ancient Yorubas through generation to generation. The concept of Ori is enough to make you know this that Èlè'dà is stricly for Yorubas. And Adariwurun is a collapsed word, from ada-ri-wu-irun. So, knock this word off as it is not ancient as you might think. Paradventure, you dont know, let me affirm again that, there are many Yoruba wordlist that has no English meaning, which proof there are ancient Yoruba words .

Thank God, you got the drift, good for you because not only Igarra was seen as such but ,so also all people that seem uncivilzed people from the perspecive of the wealthy ancient Yorubas, who see their knd of civilization as second to none. And this was possible hrough interaction via farm workers conscription and intermarriages. Infact, many of these people were conscripted as slaves in Yoruba land and history has it.

On a last note,you, do you know Orunmila lived during one of the reign of one Pharaohs in Egypt? If you and other say,it is in Nigeria's ,then ,who was the father of the wisest prophet that the ancient Yorubas remembered as Orunmila?





My humble regard to all seekers of truth.

macof:
smh.. the post you are quoting was not for you oga.
i will repost all my previous posts to you ..but first let me address the so many errors here



1. and English is a spoken language among a group of oyinbos...do you ever read what you post 'geesi' is 'english' ..simple
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2. while this has no relevance to the topic, i just thought i should point this out, since my whole intention of responding to this post was to set misconceptions straight....oranmiyan had one side light, the other dark, at least according to ife traditions..i believe 0balufonlll will correct me if i am wrong. This is why the lokoloko paint themselves like this
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what exactly is ancient yoruba? you keep saying ancient yoruba and historians haven't even defined what ancient yoruba is, but you say it so well...so explain this please.

you do realize Hausa-fulani is a thing? During this time Fulani had already created the Sokoto caliphate and spread it over Hausaland, so Fulani and Hausa formed one country... that is exactly what is expressed in the saying at no. 2.
if fulani is gambari then no. 2 makes no sense as that would mean...fulani kill fulani, are they not one? if yoruba already call fulani by 'fulani' why use 'gambari' in the same sentence to refer to the same fulani


You expose yourself to have only very basic knowledge of yoruba studies but like to gloat like you are some professor, unfortunately gloat on your misconceptions...so I just smh all through, there is nothing special to prepare oga, if this is where your knowledge begins and ends

i never said you did, the post you quoted was not directed to you..and nobody even said 'eniyan' is hebrew word for human being.. try to comprehend before you post


then why mention Dierk Lange at all when you have your personal arsenal of knowledge greater than his?

please let us in on some of these words...
you will also have to show us the complete semantics even in form of etymologies to demonstrate how you arrived at the conclusion that two words from two different languages are actually cognates

Let me give you one tip, try making use of dialects...because if you only have standard yoruba at your disposal and you want to link yoruba language to any other language, you have failed before you even begin



Eda Adariwurun was coined by Islamic scholars? ok, do you have a reference for this?

obviously you talk without ever putting yoruba dialects in mind... like i said your knowledge of yoruba is at its most basic level, surprising how you are feeling like one professor
ohun is SWY, that is the pattern of some of the changes in the dialects...'r' becomes 'h'
in some SEY there is no 'r' at all...like in Ondo it is "Oun"





eeyan kan ku ati igara meji? abi? so you mean to say only yoruba are human beings in this world?

is there any family that doesnt have its oral history

Well, I did not in anyway discarded Dierk Lange assertion, despite his inability to seal the connection between Yoruba's traces of Ancient Hebrewism,in the like manner,Bowen,Parrinder,Leo Fronebius,Burns,Mr Mollison, Miss, Kingsley, Dr.Westerman, Dr.Farrow,etc saw strange characteristics of a civilization that dated back to the ancient Meditterean - Hebrew lifestyle and Egypt's and can't fully seal it. Despite the heavy influence from their neighbouring communities, Yoruba still maintained IFA's knowledge with, ‘a do or die' approach that sustained this tradition to a large extent.

Secondly, your opinion that says, I am not vast in Yoruba language or history is just a way to cause a distraction from the point at hand because my knowledge on yoruba people is quite vast so,let go off the ,‘professor's tag out of it .

Thirdly, language semblance or having cognate is borne out two reason ,according to Einar Eugene, which are:

1. That the new speakers of a language or carrier of the language were as a products of migrants status of the speakers from their original abode to another location,in which the language could be stretched out of it original form.

2. That the new speakers were thought the language by the owner of language through being borrowed and therefore becomes a transferred language.

This is a powerful method to understudy, how language could be formed as a result of these two reason. And with this one of the two is as a result of Yoruba language variant dialect from their exact place of migration and not as a result of language divergence 4000 years ago. The 4000 years ago, was a period that Egypt's language was already being documented through hieroglyphs.

Do you know, the Egypt's hieroglyphs to call the name of snake is represented with the modern day, ‘J', letter?
I am sure you know that snake in Yoruba word is èjo'. The ,‘J', sound is tonal.

Do you also know snake in ancient Egypt's Pharaoh headwear was called ‘ U raeusGreek: Uraeus (/ jʊəˈriːəs/ plural Uraei or Uraeuses ; from the Greek: οὐραῖος, ouraîos , "on its tail"
Meaning: cobra
Egyptian : jʿr.t (iaret )
Meaning: which is stylized, upright form of an
Egyptian cobra snake was worshipped and I am sure you know Yoruba have a snake variant known as ‘Èrè' and being worshipped.

Furthermore, the ancient Hebrew fabric being woven and worn by the Hebrew had a particular name called Àdereth. I am sure you know Àdiré is also present in Yoruba clothing attire.

Are these also coincidence? If you doubt, verify.

On Oranmiyan as you had wanted to proof a point, is not even worth it because your opinion is everywhere as regard his complexion. Clearly for someone to have a patches of darkskin and light skin on his body, simply mean, he had a tanned skin....I expect you to know this as an historian-well a studied man. Have you for once heard of the complexion of Ooni -Olofin ? Kindly share.

3. Do I have to show reference until you believe adariwurun as being modern? Afterall, the Onifa-Adifa- will do justice to this,since you have knowledge of Yoruba cosmology . Eda is a stand alone word. The concept of Ori is enough to make you know this that Adariwurun is collapsed word,which was formed from ada-ri-wu-irun.So, knock this word off as it not ancient Furthermore, there are many Yoruba that has no English meaning, which proof there arent ancient Yoruba words.


4. Well, you got the drift, because not only Igarra was seen as such but ,so also all uncivilzed people from Yoruba perspecive that ancient Yorubas brought civilzation to them through interaction. Infact, many of these people were conscripted as slaves in Yoruba land and history is known.

On a last note,you have not answered any of my questions on the reason for the semblance of the screenshots.

Do you know Orunmila lived during one of the reign of one of the Pharaohs?





My humble regard to all seeker of truth.

Obalufon:
Are you from akoko"? i also have lineage in Akoko Olusi royal family but the lineage is lost ..i embrace my ile- ife lineage more ? ..I respect you Olu . my mind is flexible ready to learn. i want to learn from you even though i don't share your pacifist attitude towards the white devils laugh

I appreciate your gesture toward me. Then ,I have answered this question so many months ago, even to the extent of mentionig one of my ancestors who was known as Ajamaiye ,whose name is imprinted in the sands of time alongside Derin Ologbenla, Ojaja 1, so also Fabunmi Oke - Imesi and others in the 18th century war, when ILEIFE was sacked by Modakeke through Ibadan . Ajamaiye , Derin Ologbenla and Ojaja 1 specifically fought in the war front in ILEIFE to wade off the Ibadan warriors.

Please explain the following:

1. Which of the Lusi royal home ?

2. Are you related through Maternal or Paternal?

3. If you are related to Olusi-Luusi descendants,why the usage of Obalufon's moniker?

4. How are you related to Obalufon's descendants ?


*modified'*



Cheers.

Obalufon:
Are you from akoko"? i also have lineage in Akoko Olusi royal family but the lineage is lost ..i embrace my ile- ife lineage more ? ..I respect you Olu . my mind is flexible ready to learn. i want to learn from you even though i don't share your pacifist attitude towards the white devils laugh

I have answered that question way back. Even to the extent of mentionig one of my ancestor who was known as Ajamaiye ,whose name is imprinted in the sands of time along Derin Ologbenla, Ojaja 1, Fabunmi Oke - Imesi and others in the 18th century war, when ILEIFE was invaded by Modakeke through Ibadan . Please explain the following:

1. Which of the Lusi royal home ?

2. Are you related through Maternal or Paternal?

3. If you are related to Olusi-Luusi descendants,why the usage of Obalufon's moniker?

4. How are you related to Obalufon's descendants ?


On a last note, my wife is from ILEIFE and some of chldren were born in ILEIFE.



Cheers.

macof:
i'm guessing you dont speak yoruba language fluently?

1. gambari is not even derogatory, that is the actual yoruba name for Hausa or Aboki (which is less used). How is gambari derogatory in that statement of Awo? I cant even think of any derogatory name Yoruba have for any nation

2. Eda Adariwurun is an oriki of eniyan, just as ajanaku is oriki for Erin(elephant)... rin bi eniyan? and how do yorubas walk since 'eniyan' according to you means Yoruba?

let me give two more
riro ni t'eniyan, sise ni t'olorun...thinking is for man, God makes it happen
gbogbo eniyan ni oo ku... every man must die...not all of yoruba must die


now i dont expect you to be arguing blindly, you can first acquaint yourself with a yoruba dictionary at least if you dont speak fluent yoruba instead embarrassing yourself

3. Oyinbo is Oyinbo, yet there are subdivisions, Geesi is English, Faranse is French, Potoki is Portuguess etc

I can see you are new to this hebrew thing, let me just advice you to always ask questions and most times, common sense is enough... so this your attempt to twist 'eniyan' to hebrews is laughable, jokes on you. i dont know why you wrote 'laughs' at the end of your post like you just posted something sensible

macof that I know will always be macof . Let me quickly answer you through the following:

1. When I referred to oyinbo is Oyinbo, I was, simply referring to the general term for light skin from Yoruba concept of being. Despite this, many of my ancestral fathers were light skin people. Infact,I know one among one of the Ooni's known as Agbedegbede Oyinbo . So you can see, light skin people have always being part of my fathers. My own late father was a very light skin and one of my son is a light skin. Even Oranmiyan was termed to be light skin. Mr,, nationalities were what you mentioned ,so forget your different mentioned nationalities. And you blundered because Geesi means spoken language of a group among the Oyinbos. Subdivision of group isnt a general term.

2. Again you made a mistake on Gambari and Hausa because Gambari is different from Hausa, from ancient Yoruba ,even during invasion of Ilorin. There is nowhere in Yoruba's history did yoruba ever reffered to Hausa as Gambari.The Gambari term was used interchangeably with some variant people of Fulani ancestry. Let me refresh your memory with one old yoruba proverb to this effect; Gambari pàa Fúláni ..........sè bí okàn ní wón. So when you engage someone like me ,be well prepared .

3. Contrary to your imagination, I didn't claimed éníyàn as Hebrew's word for human being. If you see anything related to it,kindly post it.

4. Dierk Lange's research is not a newly founded knowledge and not linked to linguistic connection of cognate word I have shared in anyway. Far from it. And once am done,you will view through payment for knowledge if you like or ready to criticise it.

5. Èdà àdàríwùrún isn't as old as ‘Èdà', itself.This word was a coinage by the Islamic Yoruba scholars and not Yoruba ancient elders. In ancient Yoruba concept of Ori, it clearly identify with it as Èdà,which is derived from the relationship between human and God. Èdà is a stand alone word. The same way óorún became óhún in the Islamic concept of the heaven-sky,and which the prefix olo-run and Olo-hun was added to it. Honestly I will like to learn,if you can quote it from IFA's corpus, where àdàriwùrún was mentioned.

6. I have answered your question Sir, on the believed of migration of Yoruba from different places and the superiority complex of Yoruba's. The Yoruba group were dreaded by nearly all ethnicity, wherever they were met because they were warrior like, industrious and a very WEALTHY GROUP, which is contrary to your modern knowledge, as other groups see themselves as superior to Yorubas. Even the white explorers confirmed this when they came to West Africa. Let me quickly give you another instance, for example , if Yoruba and some people die in an accident in ancient Yoruba land,the yoruba says; èeyan kàn kù àtí..........(the name of the group or tribe ).This is how Yoruba usually say in the past. Well, if you are from such lineage that history is passed orally, you will understand and if not I don't expect you to understand it.

Even if modernity has changed everything, I don't shy away from the truth as told in the past.

Obalufon:
know the Oriki thanks bro ..who are the olusi in ekiti and akoko?

Some of the Olusi -Luusi, in Kwara, Ekiti, Akoko etc are his descendants. As it is an oral account that Luusi left Ileife during the reign of Lafogido. He sojourned through the land of his cousins, OwaObokun and thereafter, left after a while to settled down somewhere close to Ado . And when Ado was in need of help ,he was called to fight for them and he fought and won for them. He moved back to his domain and reigned for many years before he died at an advanced age and was buried.

A descendant of Luusi , Ori mo è ni mà laadè,that became contracted ‘Laade', was chosen who was already an established warrior who became the leader,and took the panegyric sè ókó àkoko sè oko Èkiti because he was a tough and powerful warrior with potency on osanyi spiritual powers.


After due consultation of IFA, they were told to move out of Ekiti, and thereby made them exhumed Luusi's body after the dictate of IFA. In between this period, some of his descendants move back and forth between IFE and other places to settle down. Some of the people who were under the banner of Luusi's name used his name to form a new settlement.


Thereafter, some of his descendants went back to ILEIFE while others took his body and reburied Luusi in Akoko. And when they arrived, at the new Akoko settlement,where they were welcomed by their maternally linked family from ILE IFE. Thereafter, IFA was consulted and they were told to go back to ILEIFE to fetch Esinmirin water,which they did and the fetched Esinmirin water from ILEIFE, was poured into a flowing river, in the new Akoko settlement that the river was renamed Esinmirin water.

Thus,everytime there is an invasion or problem in ILEIFE, they always go back to fight for their father's scared throne.This is the reason I smiled at the ignorance of some people who don't know much about some aspects of ILEIFE history but say trash about my ancestors that have sacrificed their blood and time to make the stability of ILEIFE real.....



Cheers.

macof:
Ibos are Ibos, of a common ancestry with Edo, Yoruba, Igala, Idoma, Nupe, Egbira, Gwari, Fon, Ewe and Akan
There is no collective term for these people due to the long period of separation and little contact afterwards

Efik-Ibibio and Ogoni are semi-bantu, while the Ekoi and Tiv are bantu

lets take imagination and ideas of super powers out and deal with practicality

What is this? Oga Ibo is Ibo ,the same way Oyinbo is Oyinbo. ln likewise manner that Nubian is Nubian and are all related to Ethiopian in the same world is related. until you realise that religion and civilzation changed the phase of the world. The people you mentioned as having same ancestry with Yoruba dont share same school of thought . Furthermore but I am not nor am I related religiously to people whose strongest diety is ‘bulu', a female deity that became conscripted into Yoruba's religious doctined in South America's Cuba etc.

Please find just 150 ancient Yoruba's word list that that is coded in IFA corpus to proof your cognates to proof the strong connection between Yoruba and the people you so called Yoruba family. Please don't say divergence of language because this divergence isn't true.In fact, part of aspects of Yoruba circumcision dont exist in Iboland. À jé'kùtá má mú'mí are not related to Yoruba beyond advent of intermarriages. The Fon people that you think donot have same historical migration connection with Yoruba's nor linguistic connection. Despite this people's are the largest ethnic group in Bénin Republic and speak fon language their language didnt infiltrate Yoruba's. What do you mean?I know this ‘wicked people', very well because I had once lived in the heart of their creme de la creme's city called Atlantique. A place where is one of the strong hold of Dahomey. This is the place their best university is situated. And I once lived exactly in Kèrèkou Pàvé, which is after Calavi, before you get to a Jehovah witness's assembly known in french as, ‘Te moi Jéhovah' and before Akkassato. If you doubt,Kindly ask any one who is familiar with Bénin Republic.The point here is that modern research does not support your theory,with scientific discovery of 8% DNA,solely found in Yoruba people and non existence of Pygmies found in Yoruba blood but pygmies traces were found in Bantu. Ponder over the following questions:

How do you explain the above's scientific revelation?

Have you clearly seen that gradually Yoruba is being differentiated from West Africa and Bantu groups?

Have you no knowledge of Ibos being known as Bantu group whose ancestors were said to had started from the present day Adamawa region ?

Have no knowledge that Ibo language has once being linguistically claimed to be the oldest in the world yea?

On a final submission, show or proof if there was anytime when Yoruba language is known as the being the oldest in the world.So help yourself to Kindly do the needful to travel to explore west Africa and see the region so that your theory will be discarded by yourself and some of your likemind that haven't had such experience .

macof:
Eda literally means creature, something created, living being...in that regard
And it goes beyond 'eniyan' as you have rightly said because it invokes the concept of Ori..so everything that has Ori(consciousness) is an Eda, it has nothing to do with being Yoruba or not

How does Yoruba greatness mean Hebrew origin

Ori consciousness is deeper than the way you make ‘ori', concept seems because it is about one's spiritual connection to one's creator,who one appease so that one's path in life is filled positive fulfilment. If you know the strength of language, you wouldn't underestimate the meaning of Édà in ancient Yoruba lexicon because, it is a word that has extreme life and death spiritual intonation in it. For example, ‘Orí mí másè fí'mì sílè, Elédáà mi másè gbàgbé'. The aftermetioned statement says it all in Yoruba's concept of ‘Orí',who is seeking the divine mercy, favour and blessing from God. Do you really know the depth of ,Orí là bà máa bo, à bá f'òrìshà sílè?


Secondly, ‘ Édà'', is a word for ‘Humanity'and not just creature,because, creature is what has life in it but the metaphysical aspect of ‘édà', blong only to Yorubas.And only Yoruba people use this word for themselves.

Contrary to your view,the ancient Yoruba see themselves as superior to their neighbors because their civilzation and spiritualism was above all,which gave rise to their secrecy on some aspects of their lives that connected them to God.

Sir, before you were born, or I,there were account of people whose lifestyle was patterned after their connectivity to God,that the world did not know except the ancient Hebrew. In human history, ‘almighty god', were human beings turned, ‘god', in nearly in all the world culture except Yoruba and Ancient Hebrew. Thos is the reason, Yoruba is being studied deeply so as to confirm their lost identity. After all Dierk Lange, categorically said,Yoruba were‘THE LOST TRIBE OF ISRAEL'. So know this, History is about the, Past, Present and Future', so stop personalising Yoruba's as if they were alien on earth.

Furthermore,the people being addressed today as Yorubas were not known as this in the Past but with a different names. So,stop being regressive with your perspective if you are an historian as being claimed but expose yourself to current research work in the field of history ,because the Yoruba history isn't in isolation.

On a last note,Yoruba visual Art and IFA' religious tradition is a stand alone in West Africa,which such cognate was also found in Iboland, North Africa , Middle East etc. But today Ibo's AFA is silenced and does not have the geomancy or scientific aspect as well as spiritual inclination in the same way as Yorubas,because Yoruba IFA is in the united Nation as a symbol of Yoruba's greatness in religious circle.

absoluteSuccess:
hmm my prince,

Great and versatile intellectual, how are you doing there? I've not been able to comment for a while, busy weekend. You can see that speculators have taken over the thread and as always is their article in trade, always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

I am familiar with macof bro. He is always about to tell a grand story but at the end, no ability to forge ahead. But for grammar, twists and bends, he is at home. Any Yoruba enthusiast that follow this circus band will end up confused than he started because with them, the more you look, the less you see. That is the mystery of the day. Welcome to the harvest of grammar.

Don't be carried away by their 'esusu-likes' that they often donate to encourage one another to urge each other on against their common enemy, it is their reward for the grammar and each clown's competitive ability to speculate. It is what they do best.

When will their speculation lead to a tangible and astonishing discovery in history? Never, it is a vicious cycle, effort in futility. It is the recycling of baseless ideas that never have bearing on Yoruba traditions that they claim is in their possession as one initiate or the other, but the application of such tradition in historical discourse will forever elude them. Meaning, they were not chosen.

My great prince, let it be clear to you that you are making intellectual progress, because speculations will never become a subject in history, it will always cast intellectual blindness on its adherents. But what shall eventually become celebrated is evidence-based findings buried in the ebbs of time, speculators will never find it. Please don't speculate, just do your best and leave the rest.

And, does evidence-based findings exist for Yoruba-hebrew connection? 100% yes in affirmation.

And the good news to you tonight is this: you have been chosen. And how do I mean? Well a precept of Odu Ologbon has come to pass on this thread. I needed to call your awareness to it.

"Ogbon nii segun."
Eeribi Orunmila gbe s'oro bee si?

Ni'bi t'ologbon meji bati gbe ns'oro,
okolo ti nbe nibe a d'ofo.

Adia fun atori rojorojo,
tii s'eru akora Ebora.

Let me have your mail, so I can furnish you with some treasures to keep, we can't always tell bro. It is our common heritage anyway. Please once you have it, leave the speculators to their business and build upon it. You need rest to do that.

Stay blessed tonight and always.

Ladi Akinleye.

Tough call trough, as I can see. ‘We can't always tell', is for the faithless in Èlèdumarè. There is a purpose in life for everything and everyone. As a chosen, as you see me, even if , I do intend to be seen as extraordinary. Despite being born as àkàndà , it doesn't give me a privilege as a special one because everything is in the hand of our Èlè'dà.

Èlèdumare will perfect his word on our life.

xylovoice@gmail.com

Obalufon:
what do you think about the akoko i need your expertise akoko people ..They claim ife as their source yet they speak distinct language from yoruba

Oh k ..I will give you a lee way..Mo sè ókó àkoko mo sè ókó èkìtì,...whose oriki is it? Ooni olofin descendants and the Yoruba clans that migrated from IFE ,so also other people of Igala as well Edoid group .In a nutshell Akoko is a conglomerate of different group that intermarriages helped shaped their identity. Ooni oranmiyan descendants and his cousins ruled that part with evidence from their oral account and crowns in their possession.

Obalufon:
Yoruba called themselves ""eniyan"" The chosen . .You can't be the chosen if you are not yoruba.. Our forefathers pride themselves in that statement ..they see their neighbors as uncivilized animals .

Precisely , the Yorubas are the only people on the face of Earth called, Èdà'. This is more thicker than èníyán because èdà as a word existed before ènìyán in Yoruba ancient lexicon( èdà+èníyán). We are the children of Èlè'dà,who made us know and understand the concept of ‘Ori'. This is the beginning and the end of Yoruba concept of one's creation and well being.

Despite many people in Yoruba enclave through intetmarriages, Yoruba still stand out as a great ethnicity . Although, we must show humility when need be and must be ready when need be because, Èlèdùmàrè is our God.



I am 100% YORUBA

macof:
You have not made yourself clear here.
I asked why did Yoruba need christianity to come before we knew the Hebrews existed? This is no response to the question
lets examine this one step at a time, no rush.


Can you narrate to me this oral account of migration and what towns speak of these migrations?



address my points before bringing your questions

The Yorubas knew who they were,even if part of their account disappeared in between in the same manner the way metaphysical powers are lost from generation to generation. Anyway, human history specifically were recorded in oral during the early stage of civilization and Yorubas arent different. The Oral history, then the advent of ancient form of writing in ; hieroglyphs, cuneiform and pictographs, as well as 21st advanced discovery of genetic links to be used as an avenue to understudy the behavioural pattern of people. The history of yoruba was partly recorded via their interaction with other groups they met because of yoruba always inplant a footprint in the minds of the kingdoms they once lived. The 12th-13th century acknowledged by a Muslims coverts known as Ibn Battusa mentioned Yoruba in his account before Ahmed Baba in Timbuktu did and the extensive western christians researchers discoveries were the reason ‘light'was beam on Yoruba people.

Naturally,each development of human phases were as a result of independent and learned knowledge and when such knowledge is annexed and put into use,it become a way of life for such people. And Yoruba as a people portray a studied group that their history could be linked back to names,people, towns,etc that were said to have vanished over 3000 years ago through Sudan belt.

Furthermore, the ancient religious circle' researchers acknowledge traces of non aboriginal narration in the corpus in Odu IFA,when Orunmila's storyline is being narrated by IFA priest's interpreter. Mind you, Morroco has the current oldest fossil ,followed by Israel and Ethiopia respectively. Infact, human fossil found in China is older than the one found in Iwo Eleru in Yoruba land. So when there are need to seek out Yoruba's entity,it won't be as difficult as few people have made it look because there are documented accounts of different people that had a glorious kingdom in the ancient world.

The point here is that many methodology are used and still being used in modern times to ascertain authenticity of oral account of people.

Can you really explain where Yoruba coined or got the fabric called ‘àdìré' ?

Do you know that àdiré cogante is also found in ancient Hebrew's account?

Do you know the Onifa that acknowledged Àlàrà? Which part of the world did Àlàrà reigned?

Do you know the Onifa that acknowledged Àrèsa? Which part of the world did Àrèsà reigned?

Do you also know that Yoruba's Ìlù(town-city) also have have same meaning with ancient Hebrew's word, also mentioned in Egypt's account and Akkadian word for town?


Kindly widen your horizon so as to know what others from different culture know and use it as an added/accrued knowledge, in order to do it better. This was the way of our ancestors....And the rest of the world kept looking for them and try to seek them out. Plainly, the western researchers know who the Yorubas are!

macof:
This is 2018, theologians are not the best people to go to for Yoruba linguistics

iye = eym

Noone said theologian taking up linguistic work in 2018 is right because avenue to study is much available under the right circumstances (paper certification) but the same set of Christians researchers were the ones that classified African languages. The same people's work help gave rise to different fields in human history. So,don't quote me wrong. If you don't see the cognate, in what I screenshot , which werent contracted ,then I have no problem with it because others who understand it ,sees it. The ancient Hebrew you are seeing was deciphered in recent years and still being researched continuously because, the so called Hebrew language being spoken by 5,000,000+ Israelis was Roman-Greek influence language around 18th century when it was being revived and not ancient Hebrew's original language that passed through different phases. Believe it or not, every symbol was part of ancient form of writing.

macof:
This is 2018, theologians are not the best people to go to for Yoruba linguistics

iye = eym

Of course not , but the theologians taking up linguistic work in 2018? Even with this as disregard for scholarly juxtaposition, the same set of Christians researchers that you condemn were the ones that classified African languages. And these same people's work help gave rise to different fields in human history. So,don't quote me wrong. On a last note, if you don't see the cognate, in what I screenshot , which werent contracted ,then I have no problem with it because others who understand it ,sees it. The ancient Hebrew you are seeing was deciphered in recent years and still being researched continuously because, the so called Hebrew language being spoken by 5,000+ Israelis was Roman-Greek influence language around 18th century when it was being revived and not ancient Hebrew's original language that passed through different phases. Believe it or not, every symbol was part of ancient form of writing.

Moorish:
The same ifa that could not save Yoruba from massive enslavement ?

The same ifa priests that conspired with the enemies ?

Ifa cannot lead us to paradise I’m sorry

And your ideals are pure romanticism

The universe is cause and effect

You choose to break that order by showing love on receiving hatred

You are in Error, egbon

Obalufon please do call me, my akhi

What can save if not èlèdumáàré, the supreme being. Ifa is the Scripture of Yoruba from generation to generation.

Well, the story I copied for you and I to learn from only, emphasis on goodwill. In as much as you are capable for your decision, may the almighty God guide you ,my brother.


Cheers

Moorish:
those are unrealistic ideals

Your very own nigeria is under the clutches of same white master you implore me to love

You are espousing an unrealizable fantasy

I actually do not care for blacks anymore

I care for myself and my tribe, and any others who may wish to be an ally

the rest can die and be buried

[/quote]‘ I care for myself and my ethnic group; sound more acceptable to me and ,‘any other who may wish to be an ally'; sound friendly to mean. This make the route you have embarked upon as the right path our ancient fathers believed and it helped them greatly. I don't conjure or believe in fantasy as it seems because I am a realist,humble man,strict to a large extent and with a ‘golden silence' engross in smiles all the time, even with my ‘flaws'.
Honestly, I sense it that your heart is filled wih goodness ìrè ,so dont let the dark part in every one's life known as ìbí take hold of you,which made copy this little story from from a Yoruba Group. Read and ponder over it:

At the time of Obatala, three people came to him dragging a young man with them and said to him: Babalawo, aboru boyè! This man has murdered our father. nd the following conversation ensued:

Obatala: why did you kill their father?

Young man: I'm a goatherd. My goat ate from their father's farm, and he threw a stone at my goat and he died, so I also took the stone and threw it at their father and he also died.

Obatala: because of this, I pass judgment on your charge of murder by sentencing you to death.

Young man: I ask for 3 days before you execute the judgment. My late father left me some wealth and I have a sister to take care of. If you kill me now, the wealth and my sister will have no guardian.

Obatala: who will stand for your bail?

Young man: into the crowd, he pointed Lamurudu

Obatala: do you agree to stand for him Lamurudu?

Lamurudu: Beeni (yes)

Obatala: You agree to stand for someone you don't know, and if he doesn't return you'll receive his penalty.

Lamurudu: I accept

The young man left but after two days, and into the third day there was still no sign of him.

Everyone was very afraid for Lamurudu who had accepted to receive the penalty of death if the man failed to return.

Just before it was time for dinner, the goat herd appeared looking very exhausted in and he stood before Obatala.

Young man: I have handed the wealth and the welfare of my sister to my uncle and I'm now yours. You may execute the penalty now.

In great shock and surprise, Obatala said: And why did you return after having a chance to escape the death penalty?

Young man: *I was afraid, it will appear that humanity has lost the ability to fulfill promises kept".*

Obatala turned and looked at Lamurudu: And why did you stand for him?

Lamurudu: *I was afraid, it might appear that humanity have lost the will to do good to others."*

These words and events moved the brothers who had wanted justice for their father's death very deeply and they decided to forgive the young goat herd.

In furious anger, Obatala asked "Why?!,"

They said: *We are afraid, it will appear as though forgiveness has lost place in the heart of humanity.*

I have also forwarded this beautifully translated message and passed it to you in fear that *it might appear that reminders towards doing good has lost place in humanity (eda) if I don't.*

For Olodumare's (GOD'S) sake I encourage you to also pass it on, in fear that *it might appear spreading goodwill messages has not lost place in humanity.*


*_Wuwa bi Omoluabi!_*

Least I forget,Obalufon, I hope you see my point as I look at yours.


Cheers