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Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 5:49am On Sep 18, 2018*

MetaPhysical:
I will interject here and say if we go back many many many threads and years ago when the discussion took off in Nairaland (and the threads are still available for anyone who cared to review them) asking and probing into the beginnings of Yoruba, those who initiated the topics were not historians and were not linguists. I recall in particular an impressive thread about Yoruba Arts depicting the Ife Heads with videos and narratives of their past, and there was another one that showed Yoruba in pictures and only arts and sketches of various aspects of Yoruba culture, technology, crafts, and so on. In all of the inquiries and presentations I never once saw where the owners of those thread told scholars in history and language to get out and not participate. In fact, in some of the arts portrayed, the historians and linguists present on the thread were seing them for the first time, they never knew such existed amongst Yorubas.

So it has become a trend lately where historians and linguists on Yoruba are asking others to shut up and not talk about Yoruba history unless they had the training or credential first of all that qualified them as authority on Yoruba history.

I want to know, how did these historians and linguists acquire their position of authority, is it not through the eyes of Europeans? Where did the European obtained his record of Yoruba, is it not through his interaction with oral authorities in Yorubaland? So when you go the full circle, the very basic voice of Yoruba history rests in oral accounts. Suzan Wenger was not an Osun scholar and Priestess in Germany....she interacted orally to become an expert on subject of Osun deity. Leo Frobenius was not a scholar of African Anthropology in Germany, he interacted orally with the natives.

The work produced by Suzan and by Leo were improvements, not in process, but to highlight for posterity what the Yorubas do, how they do it and its significant value to mankind and civilization. They did not tell the oralists to step aside because they were not trained in the data and analysis of history and language.

I believe the time has come to run parallel threads. What I mean by this is the professed scholars should open and discuss Yoruba history and language in their own thread and share academic discoveries of Yoruba language and history. The non-historians and non-linguists should run their own threads separately and share inputs, theories and knowledge. I say this because the antagonism of scholarship has diverted focus away and slowed down learning from contributors like absolutesuccess, Olu and myself. If however these scholars are unrepentant, we will start throwing challenges in your academic works to ridicule and bring your laxity to surface. You are not a protected, untouchable class.

These people have lost focus in dealing with the issue but rather prefer to use vulgar words and incoherent, ‘verbs' on people. I just wonder how many Western Researchers do quote Professor Biobaku's citation of divergence of Yoruba 4000 years ago? grin

But here we are with people in 2018 ,trying so hard to lecture us on what they don't even know that it is filled with fairytale .What an irony!.

As disapointing as it is with these people, no western scholarly group ask or query your authencity on a statement once the person is sharing his or her opinion with necessary “citation needed”. Anyway,my research work will have the necessary backing.

Cheers.

Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 5:45am On Sep 18, 2018

MetaPhysical:
I will interject here and say if we go back many many many threads and years ago when the discussion took off in Nairaland (and the threads are still available for anyone who cared to review them) asking and probing into the beginnings of Yoruba, those who initiated the topics were not historians and were not linguists. I recall in particular an impressive thread about Yoruba Arts depicting the Ife Heads with videos and narratives of their past, and there was another one that showed Yoruba in pictures and only arts and sketches of various aspects of Yoruba culture, technology, crafts, and so on. In all of the inquiries and presentations I never once saw where the owners of those thread told scholars in history and language to get out and not participate. In fact, in some of the arts portrayed, the historians and linguists present on the thread were seing them for the first time, they never knew such existed amongst Yorubas.

So it has become a trend lately where historians and linguists on Yoruba are asking others to shut up and not talk about Yoruba history unless they had the training or credential first of all that qualified them as authority on Yoruba history.

I want to know, how did these historians and linguists acquire their position of authority, is it not through the eyes of Europeans? Where did the European obtained his record of Yoruba, is it not through his interaction with oral authorities in Yorubaland? So when you go the full circle, the very basic voice of Yoruba history rests in oral accounts. Suzan Wenger was not an Osun scholar and Priestess in Germany....she interacted orally to become an expert on subject of Osun deity. Leo Frobenius was not a scholar of African Anthropology in Germany, he interacted orally with the natives.

The work produced by Suzan and by Leo were improvements, not in process, but to highlight for posterity what the Yorubas do, how they do it and its significant value to mankind and civilization. They did not tell the oralists to step aside because they were not trained in the data and analysis of history and language.

I believe the time has come to run parallel threads. What I mean by this is the professed scholars should open and discuss Yoruba history and language in their own thread and share academic discoveries of Yoruba language and history. The non-historians and non-linguists should run their own threads separately and share inputs, theories and knowledge. I say this because the antagonism of scholarship has diverted focus away and slowed down learning from contributors like absolutesuccess, Olu and myself. If however these scholars are unrepentant, we will start throwing challenges in your academic works to ridicule and bring your laxity to surface. You are not a protected, untouchable class.

These people have lost focus in dealing with the issue but rather prefer to use vulgar words and incoherent, ‘verbs' on people. I just wonder how many Western Researchers do quote Professor Biobaku's assertion of divergence of Yoruba 4000 years ago? grin

But here we are, with people in 2018 ,trying so hard to lecture us on what they don't even know that has become null and void in the academic.What an irony!.

Trust me, my research work will have the necessary backing.

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Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 4:48am On Sep 18, 2018*

0balufonlll:
Lol contrary to my opinion? .

Mr. Olu, you nor go kill me with laugh. Are you grounded in the basic foundations of History as a discipline at all? It is not my opinion that Bible is not regarded as a source in History writing, I stated the fact as held by foremost Historians who agreed on this fact. And fact in my field which is History, is that, Bible is not a source of History writing/research be it primary or secondary regardless of whatever prophecy is contained in it. Please note this.

There’s no where you mentioned giving me methodology? Bruh, in your last post you tried & FAILED at an attempt at methodology. . Your statement here about methodology is you trying to back pedal after hitting a brickwall. Did you think I was going to fall for what you wrote? You should know some folks you are engaging here are in the business of academia. . I see what you tried to do, trying to be smart but by half, LOL. It is cool though.

You have gone from Hebrew language to Mediterranean worship in Yorubaland. The point is, which of the Yoruba indigenous worship are you an initiate of? None, yet you want to speak on worship? Lol.

Do you even understand that working of cognates require etymology? Lol. Smh.

Luusi had a father among one of Lajamisan’s sons. Looool. Man, you are trying to be a fraud that Olaochi has accussed you of - and I don’t want you to be.

So please, start by mentioning the Lajamisan’s son who was Luusi’s father. While you are at it, keep in mind the crown princes of the compounds of Lajamisan's sons are my father’s colleagues in the council of crown princes where my father is also the crown prince of our own side of the fam. In addition, I am also investigating Lajamisan’s sons. Please mention that Luusi’s father, I so cannot wait for you to shoot yourself in the foot.

That is the point. You are not an Awo, so you do not know what defines secrecy in Yoruba traditional circles. Lol an Ogberi/AGT will always be an Ogberi/AGT.

I so cannot wait to read your response.

God bless you as you respond

1. So , Hebrew's Biblical account is not a primary source of their history? I hear you Professor. Ride on.

2. I know,the working of cognate requires etymology but in this context , I expect you to differentiate between etymology of a word and its cognate. AFTERALL others and I HAVE DISAGREED AGAINST CLASSIFICATION OF YORUBA AS HAVING A ‘KWA' ORIGIN.Get over it.

3. Trust me, it is a previlege for you to have this knowledge on Luusi through me, which you cannot know IN A LIFE TIME. Henceforth, I WILL NOT ENTERTAIN YOUR QUESTION ON MY ANCESTORS ANYMORE but do your finding.

4. Self foot shot? You, the professor of ‘history' have done such to yourself and not me. Have you suddenly forgotten, you said, ‘Oluigbo', is not related to Obamakin Osangan? And you claimed to be a descendant of Obalufon embarassed

. Yet you don't know Oluigbo history? So start from there, ‘Mr. authority'.

5. I can see how desperate you have become for you to have join the bandwagon of the class of people, using , ‘Awo' as an escape root grin

? Please continue in your ignorance as well. Kindly subtract 28+ years from your age and ponder over its meaning grin

Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 7:35pm On Sep 17, 2018

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Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 1:04pm On Sep 17, 2018

0balufonlll:
There are so many problems with everything you typed above but I’ll list a few.

1. In History writing, Bible is not consider a source. Be it primary or secondary. It has been mostly proven and agreed that data in the Bible is largely mythical. For example, see this:

https://i66.tinypic.com/2q04myw.jpg

So you can not start your work using Bible as the groundwork. Sorry.

2. Everything you wrote up here is not a methodology for working cognates in Linguistic and neither is it credible in History. Your idea is on extremely shaky grounds. If you started the abstract or introduction of your paper with this Biblical foundations, academics will throw it in the bin after skiming through couples lines. Your work is best suited for the masses, folks who are poorly educated and are not likely to ask questions.

3. I understand that you want Olaochi to give you historical connections between Japan & Yoruba. But do you understand that the angle you are exploring is the Yoruba Mecca angle which in itself is not history but a myth relegated to the people of Oyo/Katunga only?

4. Actually, you have a lot to prove as far as etymology goes. Etymology is done using a lot of procedures, a lot. With lexicostatistics included. Your posts do not include these steps for anyone to take them serious.

The link you posted was: https://www.ilorin.info/ it shows links to news. I had to use the drop down menu & went to ‘about’. So I don’t know what you meant about seeing Gambari there. How about a screenshot? Also, I do not know why Oba of Ilorin’s name is ‘Gambari’ but Yoruba’s understanding/use of the term is for the Hausa people.

Like I said, can you provide names of all the fathers & mothers of Luusi your ancestor? We can start from there.

No one said Olofin was born at Oke Ora but he was known to have lived there with his folks like several other people who lived on hill settlements in what is now Ile-Ife.

Also, Eluyemi Omotoso the Apena in Ile-Ife during his days was an archeologist who got the permission to excavate Oke Ora. He retrieved stone axes & several other relics which were taken to Europe for dating.

Do you understand that for a work to be agreed on, a community of that discipline would have critiqued the work and agreed to it, right? If you do know this then also know that Eluyemi’s excavations were assessed by a community of archeologists locally & internationally vis a vis the Idio family’s historical records of Oke Ora before it was agreed to in the research.

P.S: the Oke Ora knowledge was however buried again to prevent people going there. It is a pilgrim site for the Ooni coronation only. There’s another Oke that holds importance during coronation but I’ll keep that out of NL.

Your information on Hebrew Bible is wrong. Contrary to your opinion the Bible has been useful as a research tool because some of the prediction credited to Jeremiah in the Bible many centuries after he had passed on came to pass. For instance he mentioned that Juda who thought their alliance and trust in Egypt's Army will make them survive in the midst of their neighbouriing enemies, will be disappointed because ,the Judan-Hebrew will be invaded because their power that be invade and destroy Egypt. And Egypt was destroyed by Babylon.

This amazing prediction by Jeremiah in the Bible was found to tally with the inscription of this on Babylonian Tablets. Read ,‘Hebrew and Costume'.

According to the Nebuchadnezzar Chronicle , King Jehoiakim of Judah rebelled against Babylonian rule, but Nebuchadnezzar captured the city and installed Zedekiah as ruler .In 601 BC, during the fourth year of his reign, Nebuchadnezzar unsuccessfully attempted to invade Egypt and was repulsed with heavy losses. The failure led to numerous rebellions among the states of the Levant which owed allegiance to Babylon, including Judah, where King Jehoiakim stopped paying tribute to Nebuchadnezzar and took a pro-Egyptian position.
Nebuchadnezzar soon dealt with these rebellions. According to the Nebuchadnezzar Chronicle,he laid siege to Jerusalem , which eventual fell .The Chronicle states: Jehoiakim died during the siege.

2. There is no where I mentioned I will give you the methodology. Plainly, I am not here for such. In as much that this is a forum for knowledge sharing . So, let's keep it as such .

3. Beside, I dont care about his claim, because his claim will die a natural death. Olaochi's version of Japan& Yoruba is not my insistence but his Yoruba and west African people with whom Yoruba shares linguistic affiliation. Afterall, he claimed as you did that aboriginal status of Yorubas in Yoruba land.
Mind you, it is never about Yoruba-Mecca relationship but presence of Mediterranean alike mode of worship in Middle East culture, which is non native to west Africa. Thus, the foundational home of Yoruba was Middle East Orú through Egypt's( ke Ra'),to Sudan- migration to the present Yoruba land in Nigeria.

4. Not etymology but cognate. All I have been doing is language similarities from inception.

5. Sorry about the mix up. Google ‘Ethnic pluralism of Ilorin'. And you will see that Ilorin has a multi cultural grouping.

6. Well, Luusi had a father among one of the Oonis that reigned after Lajamisan.So, as you can see,you can't start from there, because. Trust me ,Luusi's grandfather was Lajamisan!.......Ìfé oo'oyè

7. Well, there is nothing under the sun that is new. So I don't expect you to reveal what is under the sealed secrecy. Henceforth, know it ,that there is Nothing Like Secrecy on Something that's between Two People,except Known only to ONE.

Culture › Re: Unanswered Questions On Yoruba's Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 6:38pm On Sep 16, 2018*

macof:
I just did and i saw no answers.

you can repost them here maybe they didn't get posted as you think

3. The 'aleph' ‘Ah' and 'mem' letters of the Hebrew alphabets which is equivalent to 'A' and 'M' in English so how does 'a,m' evolve to 'i,y,e' in yoruba language?

Answer:
Prior to the ,‘Aramaic' Era, in ancient Hebrew, each letter represents a sound and a concept. The first letter, (Note that Hebrew is read from right to left), is the aleph (pronounced ah-leph) and represents the "Ah" and "Eh" sounds. Aleph is a Hebrew word meaning "ox," and this letter is a picture of an ox head and represents the concept of "strength," from the strength of the ox. So contrary to your approach, several of the letter in the alphabet are very similar and can easily be confused with other letters'. So know that learning ancient Hebrew language is not like the way you source information via ‘pealim.com'.Below alphabet were how ancient Hebrew's word for ‘mother' was formed by a Rabbi and researcher;
Aleph: a, e
Yud : y, i
Mem: m

Thus , the word for ‘mother' were derived through the ancient Hebrew's picture that were interpreted.
In fact,the spoken language in Judah and environ before it was lost was ,‘Aramaic' which was a language that was developed from ancient Hebrew and ended around 135AD in Middle East.

4. what is the yoruba name for Hebrews? and what part of Yoruba traditions, in what specific towns is it implied that Yoruba are Hebrews? You said yoruba have oral accounts of migration? migration from where?

Answer:
(a)There was nothing like Yoruba name for Hebrew neither did Hebrew names was their uniform name but a name of one of their ancestors known as ‘eber'

(b) I am sure you known comparative study have been done on Yoruba ethnicity and Hebrew - meditterean .So, no need to ask me for more info. After all, you are a Historian.

(c) Same as answer ‘b'
Hebrew as a name was derived from name, ‘eber'

5. Kindly direct me to a link or at least a name, lets identify where you got the information from
I know you still have questions i asked above, but because you wont let us deal with points one step at a time i have to ask more questions

Answer:
(a)I have given you authors books to enhance your study. Try do that to understanding what you dont know

6. Who are the other groups the Yoruba met as they were migrating down to Nigeria?

And what part of Yoruba accounts confirm those foreign accounts, it is after all the yoruba that is being talked about, surely the yoruba accounts must give legitimacy to what ever foreign accounts

Answer
(a)In Yoruba(ILEIFE) oral history, there is an account in Ikedu king list which has accout that there were two kings during the 46th kings list which appeared to be the period when Odua & his group were acknowledged to have emigrated from somewhere through oke ora to Ileife . Below screenshot from, ART in ILEIFE,The Birth Place of Yoruba,acknowledged it. Perhaps it will refreshen your memory.

(b) In as much oral account, has acknowledged it,and all Yoruba were linked together as a family, then they have nearly unified identity. The only difference was that they arrived differently to their first place of abode at different times before Odua and his group arrived later.

7. I have never heard of Ibn Battuta mentioning Yoruba in his Rihla account, unless you are referring to the baseless claim that he mentioned Ife as 'Yufi', in which case is completely off. So in what context and to what purpose did Battuta mention Yoruba?
Because even Ahmed Baba is regarded as the first to mention yoruba in a written work

(a)ohún tí édà o bá mó o sè'gbà é .So he Ibn Battusa made a baseless claim around 12th century? Very funny. grin

And every Yoruba scholars that cited western resesrchers work of about 3000-4000 years ago of language divergence of Ibo and Yoruba is correct? I can see your view

8. so what part of Ahmed Baba's mention of Yoruba is evidence of a Hebrew origin for Yorubas?

Answer
(a)Youfi was IFE and IFE is Yoruba

(b) Canaan was acknowledged as the ancient home of Yoruba in Ahmed Baba's account through Captain Clapperton's account, even if there was nothing concrete to proof it.

9. What names, people and towns outside yorubaland are the Yoruba linked to? asides maybe places in Igalaland with Ife-prefixes

Answer
(a) Yoruba in Bénin,Togo,Ghana,south America etc,tally through oral account,Sudan(bodily mark seen as same with a Yoruba group of Ijebu etc ), Ethiopia (circumcission of both male and female was and found in Yoruba land), North Africa's Morroco etc had a footprint of IFA/IFA practice but dissapeared from North Africa around 9th century and Egypt had an account of ‘Ilu',a town in lower Egypt.

10. what are these traces of non aboriginal narration in Ifa and who are these researchers?

(a) Names of towns and period of formation of towns in the present day Yoruba history in Nigeria,such as ancient Àdo, Ìkólè,Ógbón,Orú etc are recorded in Ifa corpus account but didnt fit in toYoruba land narrative in Nigeria's because Orunmila existed before 11th-12th century.Infact, some scholar's account claim Orunmila lived 4000 years ago.

11. So are you saying Yoruba oral accounts are not authentic?

Answer
(a) As it is a normal with every migration of people,there are part of Yoruba account that were narrated but seen as a not too long ago ,which was due to gap in the history ( Dierk Lange,Bowen,Cotton etc). The first half of yoruba is lost,which what we are trying to unravel the same way the ancient Hebrew were lost and being searched for . So as you can see, the yoruba history in Nigeria, is the concluding part of ancient people who came from the land of ‘ORÚ' in Middle East. After all, Obatala's father,Olofin's ,Obawinrin's,Obalara's ancestors are not known.

12. what do you know about the ways of Yoruba ancestors?
you are not even involved in Isese so what ways do you think you know and how did you come about knowing them?

Answer
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okay oooo iseserimi, I hear you. But please dont say this to me again because people like you kept claiming isese but you are boastful and betray the dont of our ancestors way of life. Plainly, you use negative word on people too often.Such as you can't be a role model in encouraging people into isese.So repent Sir.I was born into Isese.....So once you e engage me on issue,dont ever refer such to me again.. angry

Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 5:52pm On Sep 16, 2018

Obalufon:
who are the moba ? i want to learn .life is too short to be stuck up with one believe or ideas ..

They are the OTUN OORE DESCENDANTS

Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 6:51am On Sep 16, 2018*

macof:
no olu, you answered only 3 questions out of 17...after that your questions piled up again to over 20 unanswered questions altogether

I will create a separate thread just for you and me

you must either answer my questions or come out clean....because these questions were created out of your own claims..they are not random questions that i just made up...you make a bold claim and i ask you what are your sources or something along that line but you never respond
I'm giving you so much patience here and a big chance to convince me that proto-proto-yoruba people were hebrew

what oral account? narrate the oral account here and give your source.... I already told you that according to Atolagbe Moba in Lagos is the original homeland of Otun moba in Ekiti... and there is nothing that is above Atolagbe so far when it comes to Moba history

Where did Attah Igala claim he is descended from a mix of Nupe and Yoruba?

dont worry I am preparing a juicy thread for you to answer all your questions

A juicy platform? Lmao! I don't need such because, I am not on a battle field nor intellectual contest with you. It is far from it. In as much,that I have stake in Yoruba land as you do,then ,I can share my research work as I have been doing it, even with screenshots. Afterall,I was not the person who did the multiple research work but many, which includes my Ancient Hebrew Rabbi. So, it not a ‘quack' grin

theory

Again, you asked me to provide source of my information, which I have done. In fact, I went further to mention names and google search engine to read through some information because information on Yoruba liters the Internet but same cannot be said of the ancient Hebrews.Getting extensive information on ancient Hebrew mean you have to pay through your nose before you can benefit from the wealth of experience from the researchers.

Cheers

Culture › Re: Unanswered Questions On Yoruba's Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 10:04pm On Sep 15, 2018

macof:
Olu317 these are all the questions you ignored
These questions are not random questions, they are necessarily response to your post...I asked each based on something you said and only want you to go further and explain

:You can click on the 'macof' links below to go back to the original posts

So here we are. This is how scholars do it, so don't be afraid, I'm sure you can defend your theories

please we already have many questions, make me understand these 24 first before adding more to it..so just straight to it and no more bold claims

Please go to all my posts because I have answered your questions.

Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 10:00pm On Sep 15, 2018*

macof:
Who is Catherine Acholonu? a linguist? And are you trying to say that Igbo language is the mother of Yoruba language now? if you know the woman's work is a sham why refer to it at all?

your yoruba ancestors? same yoruba ancestors that you refused to follow?
if yoruba ancestors are so important to you, why not dump christianity and enter Isese? or is chrisitianity your ancestral religion?
you are not more yoruba than me so all this my ancestors nkankan is sentimental play which has no role in historical studies

I will tell you that Suzanne Blier - an American art historian knows your ancestors more than you

There is no confusion in that Yoruba and Igbo split, yet Yoruba are not Igbo...it is common sense.. If yoruba were igbo no one will talk about a split...Yoruba and Igbo have been different people for 3000 years..that is what it means...3000 years is more than enough for these people to create a very unique identity different from that of the proto-culture they came from

To be honest, i am doing you a great service educating you like this but just because you are yoruba, eventually i will leave you to your delusions but not until you understand basic things like "split people doesn't mean same people"...i mean you cant be that stupid ..can you?

www.nairaland.com/attachments/7782794_img20180915115237_jpeg3a3eefc25dab5ae83ebefeb30bbdad3f

in this same picture you posted, Egyptian language is being compared to Bantu languages as well as Yoruba and Fulani(pulaar).
Also some of the yoruba words are wrong
1. bọse is not secretly... I mean i have never heard that word.. unless you know something i don't know . Yoruba for secretly is 'nikoko'
2. busa is not 'to honor/respect' ...also nevr heard that word... to respect - bọwọ
3. bọti is also wrong.. it is ọti

as for 'ba' which your picture says 'germinate'..i am unsure of the yoruba word for germinate that is why i wont say much.. maybe 0balufonlll knows..egbon?

as for the remaining 4 words can you explain how these words are borrowed from egyptian language? what methodology did you use to arrive at this conclusion?

The researched work wasn't done by me but someone else,who had understudy Yoruba language and its comparison with Bantu and ancient Egyptians . I hope you know,that there are ancient Yoruba words that has been lost in modern spoken one but present in dialects.

And on the comparison that you saw with Bantu,only showed that there were words that that is similar in all the group that the author claimed .Funny enough, the author's conclusion was that Yoruba wasn't Bantu...

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Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 8:30pm On Sep 15, 2018

macof:
no olu, you answered only 3 questions out of 17...after that your questions piled up again to over 20 unanswered questions altogether

I will create a separate thread just for you and me

you must either answer my questions or come out clean....because these questions were created out of your own claims..they are not random questions that i just made up...you make a bold claim and i ask you what are your sources or something along that line but you never respond
I'm giving you so much patience here and a big chance to convince me that proto-proto-yoruba people were hebrew

what oral account? narrate the oral account here and give your source.... I already told you that according to Atolagbe Moba in Lagos is the original homeland of Otun moba in Ekiti... and there is nothing that is above Atolagbe so far when it comes to Moba history

Where did Attah Igala claim he is descended from a mix of Nupe and Yoruba?

dont worry I am preparing a juicy thread for you to answer all your questions

Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 2:05pm On Sep 15, 2018

Another word ,that you cant find in pealim.com

Hebrew:re
Meaning: Friend,companion

Yoruba: Óré
Meaning: Friend, companion

Oga from Japan,come post your own friend grin

too and let people reading the posts continue to laugh at your inconsistency. Ibo apologists I,mock at your ignorance.

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Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 1:49pm On Sep 15, 2018

macof:
you have not even proven your stance... Your entire stance is shaky.. You have not provided one evidence.. Just one
have you forgotten you have not answered my questions?

Should I repost them so you can answer?

Or you don't have answers?

I have answered you all and even went further to post books that can help understand word list of ancient Hebrews.

And, if you don't understand the oral account,kindly visit Moba Town or google Otun Ore history.
And on Igala history, I have answered you because Attah Igala also claimed that Yoruba also settled down in their midst.

Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 1:44pm On Sep 15, 2018

Obalufon:
we have nothing to do with ibos....Yoruba is yoruba ..ibo is ibo we have nothing in common . .. igala is not ibos . Yoruba and igala possible were one people at one point but split up .

Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 1:36pm On Sep 15, 2018

0balufonlll:
I see, you cannot state your methods here in a few lines? Cool.

You and Olaochi did the same thing. You - Yoruba language/Hebrew; Olaochi - Yoruba - Japanese. I posted a screenshot here in which someone did the same thing between Yoruba & Fula, French, German, Ibo & so on. This in addition to what Olaochi did goes to show your theory has no framework & methodology because when what you did is applied to any other language it yields the same result - that Yoruba is connected with virtually every culture including Japan. I need-not have to explain, I suppose you are well read enough to know studies are not carried out without methodologies/framework because people have to test your hypothesis individually to agree with you.

In Ilorin, there is a reason Balogun Yoruba heads Yoruba; Balogun Fulani heads Fulani & Balogun Gambari heads the Hausa quarters before Emir Kolapo had it as his name.

His work sucks without any scriptural backing nor historical.So let him start from Japan's oral history as the following:

1. As he claimed, I expect him to mention people in west Africa with whom the yorubas shared same lexicons with and not South East Asia's Japan. grin

2 I have proven through biblical passages that Ancient Hebrews were blacks cool

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3. Hebrews lived in Africa for thousands of years

4. Hebrews married a lot of Nubians and Ethiopians(dark skin people)

5.There were historical account for the lost tribe of Israel.

6. I have provided etymology of words of ancient Hebrew and ther semitic,with screenshots. So ,I don't need any thing else to prooof anymore.Unless,you want me to post all my research work,which is not possible.

On Gambari, the link I posted did mentioned Gambari. I thought you saw it. So Sulu Kolapo Gambari, only acknowledged his patrilineal side to his name. Mind you,Alimi was said to be a kind Fulani-Fula man.I also mentioned the man's history through the first widely explosive written book on Yoruba ethnicity.

Furthermore, there is inconsistency in his forceful unholy alliance because I want him mentioned the tribes or ethnicity Yoruba are related with ,who share same language with yorubas in West Africa.

Finally, scholars and readers alike do have their views om this issue and I don't expect you to be different. But certainly, you don't have anything else to substanciate on Oke Ora,in Nigeria's southwest , where it is ccontroversially claimed to be the birth place of Osi-n because every mortal exist with biological parents.Perhaps, you know all the fathers and mothers of these great men and women who lived Oke ora. Kindly share and if you or any one else can't, then,my perspective as with the previous researchers stands.

Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 11:45am On Sep 15, 2018

Dem dem Ibo apologists continue grin

in their ignorance...split kó ,divide ní embarassed

. If Ibo split from Yoruba, why did Catherine Acholonu thesis counter it ? The same manner Atkinson said about language in west Africa as the place of its origin. Funny enough yoruba language was already in existence 3000 years ago. And this language was spoken in Egypt. Infact 3000 years ago was less 700 years before Jesus christ. grin

. Kikikiki

Confuse set of people,who are bent in lumping my yoruba ancestors with Ibos' ancestors. As usual,they are here with incoherent statement of denying their claim that, ‘Ibos splitted from Yoruba and Yoruba are not Ibos'. cheesy

. Confusion grandeur.

Below is a screenshot of kemet word present in Yoruba word list over 3000 years ago.......... grin

Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 11:45am On Sep 15, 2018

Hmmmm

Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 11:04am On Sep 15, 2018

RedboneSmith:
LOL. This one is still looking for 100% cognacy before he accepts what every linguist in the world now knows to be a fact. But it only takes a handful of 'false cognates' to convince y'all that Yoruba is Semitic. LOL.

Anyway, I spotted no less than 10 words in your new list that have cognatic relationship with Igbo words, despite some semantic shifts. But no, I can't continue doing this with you. My patience isn't as bountiful as Macof's or ObalufonII's. Mine is quite thin. I can't do this with someone who doesn't have a fundamental grasp of historical linguistics and one who is a low-key 'tribe smearer' to boot.

As usual with flimsy excuses. If you dont know much on something,kindly do research instead of unnecessary and unbacked theories. Ibo kó yánmírín ní. You better click on the above link to see your Ibo language being dissected through phonomes. Atkinson research team posited that language originated in the Western part of Sub-Saharan Africa and supports Acholonu Catherine thesis of an Igbo origin of languages because Igbo language is based in the Western part of Sub-Saharan Africa. Also the conclusion that this ancient mother-language left Africa during the earliest ‘Out of Africa’ migrations is the same as our own conclusions that Homo Erectus left Africa with a Language and a Culture intact, and not, as animal-like ‘primitive man’. The thesis is that the San (Khoisan) Bushmen of the Kalahari were among the earliest carriers of this Proto-Proto-Igbo mother tongue, was also confirmed in the Atkinson research findings.
Therefore, Igbo scholars worldwide ought to seize upon this added scientific evidence provided by Dr. Atkinson’s research but instead ,they deny as usual. Kindly do the needful by listing the coganate of Ibo words with the above yorubas,if you are sure. Ko má wáà fíìfíì ìdí koko kírí.

Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 8:17am On Sep 15, 2018

Obalufon:
They are now claiming aborigine of yoruba land..i need to know the time frame when we split from the ibos there is never point in yoruba history when we are naked people ..patron of white cloth obalara is over 10000yrs .. you people are ibos not igbos..you people were called ibos first now igbo

Don't mind this bunch of liars that claim what they are not. Yoruba were never any stock that broke away from Ibos. Ibo language is older than Yoruba's. But Yoruba became a chosen people because God picked Yorubas.
Here is a link that dissected Ibo language by linguists. Instead for them to understudy the raised issue, they will rather propagate a quack theory . Especially their Yoruba apologists.... I laugh at them all .

check this http://www.faculty.ucr.edu

Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 7:50am On Sep 15, 2018

RedboneSmith:
Hehe. Some of the words you put up there have forms in Yoruba and Igbo that clearly share a common root.

Igbo nwoke/nwoko, oke/oko is cognate with Yoruba oko. They both mean male.

The common Igbo word for female/woman nowadays is nwanyi/nwanya, but there is an even more archaic Igbo word for adult woman which is hardly used today. That word is Ibili/Ibiri or Ibiri achi, which is cognate with Yoruba obirin.

Slave in Igbo is Oru/Ohu. Slave in Yoruba is Eru. They are possibly cognate terms.

The Igbo way of saying 'here' is to say 'This place'. Place in Igbo is 'Ebe' or in some parts 'Ibe'. This is cognate with Yoruba 'Ibi.'

We would be silly to expect languages that have existed apart for such a long time to have 100% or even 60% relatedness. Languages evolve; words fall out of use and new words are either innovated or taken up from immediate neighbours.

But if you have even ever tried to do a cursory study, you would have found a large number of shared roots between Yoruba and Igbo.

Imi (Igbo) - Imu (Yoruba) - Nose (English)
Onu (Igbo) - Enu (Yoruba) - Mouth (English)
Nti (Igbo) - Eti (Yoruba) - Ear (English)
Agba (Igbo) - Agbo (Yoruba) - Jaw (English)

Ogwu (Igbo) - Ogun (Yoruba) - Medicine (English)
Ogu (Igbo) - Ogun (Yoruba) - Twenty (English)
Ogu (Igbo) - Ogun (Yoruba) - Fight/Battle/War (English)

Ala/Ali/Ani/Ana (Igbo) - Ale/Ile (Yoruba) - Land (English)
Ulo (Igbo) - Ulue (Ohafia Igbo) - Ule/Ile (Yoruba) - House (English)

Agwa/Egwa (Igbo) - Ewa (Yoruba) - Beans (English)

Owu (Igbo) - Owu (Yoruba) - Cotton (English)
Gini (Igbo) - Kini (Yoruba) - What? (English)

Following the pattern of K changing to G or G changing to K, suggests that:
Agu/Egu (Igbo) - Ekun (Yoruba) - Leopard (English)

Be (Igbo) - Be (Yoruba) - Slice/Cut (English)
Ewu (Igbo) - Ewure (Yoruba) - Goat (English)
Okuko (Igbo) - Akuko Adire (Yoruba) - Fowl/Male cock (English)
Akpa (Igbo) - Apo (Yoruba) - Bag (English)

Mili/Mmiri/Mini (Igbo) - Omi (Yoruba) - Water (English). (I remember a Yoruba gentleman telling me once that Awori still uses miri for water. In Moremi stories we hear of a stream called Esinmirin which is just too close to the Igbo word for river osimiri.)

Akika (Igbo) - Ikan (Yoruba) - White ant (English)
Ufufu (Igbo) - Ifofo (Yoruba) - Foam (English)
Oka (Igbo) - Oka (Yoruba) - Corn (English - probably originally used for Guinea corn, before the coming of the american maize in the 16th century)
Afo (Igbo) - Ifun (Yoruba) - Bowels (English - and by extension, used by the Igbo to refer to stomach too).
Mbenbe (Igbo) - Obonbon (Yoruba) - Beetle (English)

Moo/Mo/Muo (Igbo) - Imole (Yoruba) - Primordial or territorial spirits (English - Yoruba 'Imole' probably breaks up into Imo + ile, i.e., earth spirits)

THE LIST LITERALLY GOES ON AND ON.

I wouldn't have to make a list if you could just do a little research of your own. Read the book by Aremo that Macof has mentioned. I don't think all the cognates he mentioned in that book are true cognates, however; but in general his view is solid and echoes what linguists have been saying since forever.

Let me dissect it and if I find variant of it,then I nullify it because Yoruba only have difference in pronunciation but same word.

Imi (Igbo) √
Imu (Yoruba) - Nose (English)

Onu (Igbo)√
Enu (Yoruba) - Mouth (English)

Nti (Igbo) -√
Eti (Yoruba) - Ear (English)

Agba (Igbo)√
Agbon(Yoruba) - Jaw (English)

Ogwu (Igbo)√
Ogun (Yoruba) - Medicine (English)

Ogu (Igbo)√
Ogun (Yoruba) - Twenty (English)

Ogu (Igbo) √
Ogun (Yoruba) - Fight/Battle/War (English)

Ala/Ali/Ani/Ana (Igbo) ×
Ale/Ile (Yoruba) - Land (English)

Ulo (Igbo) √
Ulue (Ohafia Igbo) - Ule/Ile (Yoruba) - House (English)

Agwa/Egwa (Igbo)√
Ewa (Yoruba) - Beans (English)

Owu (Igbo)√
Owu (Yoruba) - Cotton (English)

Gini (Igbo)√
Kini (Yoruba) - What? (English)

Following the pattern of K changing to G or G changing to K, suggests that:

Agu/Egu (Igbo) × (ah and e don't match)
Ekun (Yoruba) - Leopard (English)

Be (Igbo)√
Be (Yoruba) - Slice/Cut (English)

Ewu (Igbo)√
Ewure (Yoruba) - Goat (English)

Okuko (Igbo) ×
Àdié/Àdiyé(Yoruba) - English Male (cock)and Female (fowl)
Traditionally Yoruba don't acknowledge Àkuko as such. In proverbs and ritual word,Àdie/Àdiyé(À-dú-ìyé) is used more often. And the etymology of Àkuko(À-kú-kó) was borne out of when,‘cock crow'.

Akpa (Igbo)√
Àpà,Àpo,Sàakà,ìdoho,laban,etc (Yoruba) - Bag (English)

Mili/Mmiri/Mini (Igbo) √
- Omi (Yoruba) - Water (English). (I remember a Yoruba gentleman telling me once that Awori still uses miri shocked

for water. In Moremi stories we hear of a stream called Esinmirin which is just too close to the Igbo word for river osimiri.)
Which part of Awori people use miri?

Akika (Igbo)√
- Ikan (Yoruba) - White ant (English)

Ufufu (Igbo) ×
Ifofo (Yoruba) - Foam (English)×

Oka (Igbo)√
Oka (Yoruba) - Corn (English - probably originally used for Guinea corn, before the coming of the american maize in the 16th century)

Afo (Igbo)×
Ìfún (Yoruba) - intestine (English - a
Ìkún (Yoruba) stomach(English)
Ìnú(bowel)
As you can see,they are not the same!

Mbenbe (Igbo) - Obonbon (Yoruba) - Beetle (English)

Moo/Mo/Muo (Igbo) ×
Imole (Yoruba) -Primordial or territorial spirits (English)
The above method of spiritual aren't the same because Imolé is a society

As you can see, most of what you and others usually post online are not up to 200 years old words being shared.
Kindly blow my mind on the following words by interpreting them in Ibo language as you believe that Yoruba and shared same words with Ibos. And they are:

Àba /Ba/Uba/Aba:father
Aiyè:world
Àayè: living
Àki/Àkin: brave
Akó: male
Abó:female
Âfin:Palace
Àalá:dream
Àalà:white
Âala:demication
Âarin:middle (in between)
Àará:thunder
Arà:wonder
Âajo:travel
Ajé:witch
Aanu:mercy
Alujonú:spirit
Adè:crown
Aasalè : late evening evening/ late at night
Ajèji: stranger
Alèejo=visitor
Atíjó: ancient
Éshí: previous year
Bàalé:usband
Bàalè:duke
Baba=grandfather or ancestor
Babatunde: reincarnated birth of one's grandfather
Dá:create
Dè:arrive
Dé:hunt
Éebi=relative/relation
Èejí=rain
Ojo:rain
Éerín:laugh
Èri: testify
Ésún:allege some one of a crime
Béer:fear/Afraid
Éyì= this one
Èyikèyi=any–one
Énì:mat
Éní:anybody/this person/person
Énikéni:anyone
Étan: deceive
Éebo: sacrifice
Ípata:notorious
Jigi:mirror
Òdé:hunter
Oorún:heaven
Ájá: the heavenly place one goes after death /above
Éeni:person/one(human) and not numerical
Oojúmó: break of dawn
Oojó: daily
Òjó: day
Owuró/Àaró:morning
Osàn:noon time
Irolé/urolé:evening
Jùbá:pay homage
Jagún: engage in war
Ofà: arrow
Óokó:cano
Okè: up/mountain/hill
rán : bright
rá: decay
Rò: stand
Ràará:dwarf
Rà:buy
Irà:swamp
Èwè:leaf
Îgi: tree
Iji: hurricane
Ijo/jo: dance
Ìwín:forest spirit
Okunrin:man
Obinrin:woman
Ólé:lazy
Olé:thief
Ólòshà:robber
Ki:salute

Proof the above and let me doff my hat in humility to you if 75% has same cognate with Ibos.But if not ,stop this forceful language connection.

Cheers

Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 6:46am On Sep 15, 2018

RedboneSmith:
Hehe. Some of the words you put up there have forms in Yoruba and Igbo that clearly share a common root.

Igbo nwoke/nwoko, oke/oko is cognate with Yoruba oko. They both mean male.

The common Igbo word for female/woman nowadays is nwanyi/nwanya, but there is an even more archaic Igbo word for adult woman which is hardly used today. That word is Ibili/Ibiri or Ibiri achi, which is cognate with Yoruba obirin.

Slave in Igbo is Oru/Ohu. Slave in Yoruba is Eru. They are possibly cognate terms.

The Igbo way of saying 'here' is to say 'This place'. Place in Igbo is 'Ebe' or in some parts 'Ibe'. This is cognate with Yoruba 'Ibi.'

We would be silly to expect languages that have existed apart for such a long time to have 100% or even 60% relatedness. Languages evolve; words fall out of use and new words are either innovated or taken up from immediate neighbours.

But if you have even ever tried to do a cursory study, you would have found a large number of shared roots between Yoruba and Igbo.

Imi (Igbo) - Imu (Yoruba) - Nose (English)
Onu (Igbo) - Enu (Yoruba) - Mouth (English)
Nti (Igbo) - Eti (Yoruba) - Ear (English)
Agba (Igbo) - Agbo (Yoruba) - Jaw (English)

Ogwu (Igbo) - Ogun (Yoruba) - Medicine (English)
Ogu (Igbo) - Ogun (Yoruba) - Twenty (English)
Ogu (Igbo) - Ogun (Yoruba) - Fight/Battle/War (English)

Ala/Ali/Ani/Ana (Igbo) - Ale/Ile (Yoruba) - Land (English)
Ulo (Igbo) - Ulue (Ohafia Igbo) - Ule/Ile (Yoruba) - House (English)

Agwa/Egwa (Igbo) - Ewa (Yoruba) - Beans (English)

Owu (Igbo) - Owu (Yoruba) - Cotton (English)
Gini (Igbo) - Kini (Yoruba) - What? (English)

Following the pattern of K changing to G or G changing to K, suggests that:
Agu/Egu (Igbo) - Ekun (Yoruba) - Leopard (English)

Be (Igbo) - Be (Yoruba) - Slice/Cut (English)
Ewu (Igbo) - Ewure (Yoruba) - Goat (English)
Okuko (Igbo) - Akuko Adire (Yoruba) - Fowl/Male cock (English)
Akpa (Igbo) - Apo (Yoruba) - Bag (English)

Mili/Mmiri/Mini (Igbo) - Omi (Yoruba) - Water (English). (I remember a Yoruba gentleman telling me once that Awori still uses miri for water. In Moremi stories we hear of a stream called Esinmirin which is just too close to the Igbo word for river osimiri.)

Akika (Igbo) - Ikan (Yoruba) - White ant (English)
Ufufu (Igbo) - Ifofo (Yoruba) - Foam (English)
Oka (Igbo) - Oka (Yoruba) - Corn (English - probably originally used for Guinea corn, before the coming of the american maize in the 16th century)
Afo (Igbo) - Ifun (Yoruba) - Bowels (English - and by extension, used by the Igbo to refer to stomach too).
Mbenbe (Igbo) - Obonbon (Yoruba) - Beetle (English)

Moo/Mo/Muo (Igbo) - Imole (Yoruba) - Primordial or territorial spirits (English - Yoruba 'Imole' probably breaks up into Imo + ile, i.e., earth spirits)

THE LIST LITERALLY GOES ON AND ON.

I wouldn't have to make a list if you could just do a little research of your own. Read the book by Aremo that Macof has mentioned. I don't think all the cognates he mentioned in that book are true cognates, however; but in general his view is solid and echoes what linguists have been saying since forever.

You see, I know the antic of yours and many people that claimed the same things as you do. Let me even agree,we share the same words together as you claim but have you forgotten some words were borrowed from one group to the other? After all, what you listed as having link to Yoruba words were Mid 18th century fabricated words.This is because Rev. Samuel Ajayi Crowther helped shaped the Ibos alphabets grin

. The same Edo have words linked with Yorubas. Today,Edo use ,‘omo', as Yoruba do but do have alternative for ,‘omo',which is,‘oviedo'. But in Yoruba word list,there is no alternative.

Ofcourse, there is no iota of doubt in some shared word ,which you mentioned and quickly ,lemme dissect them in precept,what seem right in yours ,so as for you to realise this things as follows:

Imi (Igbo) √
Imu (Yoruba) - Nose (English)

Onu (Igbo) √
Énu (Yoruba) -Mouth (English)

Nti (Igbo) √
Eti (Yoruba) - Ear (English)

Agba (Igbo) √
- Agbo (Yoruba à'gbón) - Jaw (English)

Ogwu (Igbo) √
Ogun (Yoruba) - Medicine (English) oogún

Ogu (Igbo) √
Ogun (Yoruba) - Twenty (English)

Ogu (Igbo) √
Ogun (Yoruba) - Fight/Battle/War (English)

Ala/Ali/Ani/Ana (Igbo)× . Ala is also ‘down'- in Ibo
Ale/Ile (Yoruba) - Land (English)×

Yorubas do have one word for this ,which mean't it is different from yours and borrowed: À'là : create a ‘path',cut through,etc. It is Yoruba, ‘Ùlé-Ìlé'

- Ulue (Ohafia Igbo) ×
Yoruba: Ùlù,Ìlù- Town
Ùlè/Ìlè (Yoruba) - House (English)

if Ibo pronunciation is followed in the manner the Yoruba pronounce,then they are different

Agwa/Egwa (Igbo) √
- Ewa (Yoruba) - Beans (English)

Owu (Igbo) √
- Owu (Yoruba) - Cotton (English)

Gini (Igbo) √
- Kini (Yoruba) - What? (English)

Following the pattern of K changing to G or G changing to K, suggests that:

Agu/Egu (Igbo)× ah and e dont fit
Ekun (Yoruba) - Leopard (English)

Be (Igbo) √
Bée(gè) (Yoruba) - Slice/Cut (English)

Ewu (Igbo)√
Ewure (Yoruba) - Goat (English)

Okuko (Igbo) √
Akuko Adire (Yoruba) - Fowl/Male cock (English)

Akpa (Igbo) √
Apo,Apà,laban,idóhó,sáaká etc–Bag (English)

Mili/Mmiri/Mini (Igbo)√
- Omi (Yoruba) - Water (English). (I remember a Yoruba gentleman telling me once that Awori still uses miri shocked

for water. In Moremi stories we hear of a stream called Esinmirin which is just too close to the Igbo word for river osimiri.) grin

Akika (Igbo) √
Ikan (Yoruba) - White ant (English)

Ufufu (Igbo) ×
- Ifofo (Yoruba) - Foam (English)× (modern)

Oka (Igbo) √
- Oka (Yoruba) - Corn (English - probably originally used for Guinea corn, before the coming of the american maize in the 16th century)

Afo (Igbo) ×
Inu (Yoruba)bowel
Ifun(Yoruba)( English) intestine
Ikun((Yoruba)(English) stomach

Mbenbe (Igbo)
Obonbon (Yoruba) - Beetle (English)

Moo/Mo/Muo (Igbo)√
Imole (Yoruba) - Primordial or territorial spirits (English - Yoruba 'Imole' probably breaks up into Imo + ile, i.e., earth spirits) grin

Now do the needful to the following in Ibo language as I have done to this modern day lexicon connection. And they are :

Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 12:42am On Sep 15, 2018

RedboneSmith:
A language cannot have multiple word meaning roughly the same thing? Olu, go and sleep.

Uru/Uhu/Ulu are core old Igbo expressions that mean village or original settlement. It has actually been discussed by Igbo Nairalanders before. If I find it, I will post a link here. The word is still found today as part of the name of many Igbo villages and towns.

I just read another comment where you launched into an entirely unneccessary diatribe about ilu and ilu and elu and what have you. Are you always this confused about simple matters.

Yes Sir.I hear you. But macof ,do the field work with just 10 different people from the different states from south East of Nigeria and come nullify my stance . And if Ibos have alternative for Cultivate ,then know I am not lying but if you lie, Almighty God sees your heart because I detest lie as light detest darkness.

Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 12:40am On Sep 15, 2018

RedboneSmith:
A language cannot have multiple word meaning roughly the same thing? Olu, go and sleep.

Uru/Uhu/Ulu are core old Igbo expressions that mean village or original settlement. It has actually been discussed by Igbo Nairalanders before. If I find it, I will post a link here. The word is still found today as part of the name of many Igbo villages and towns.

I just read another comment where you launched into an entirely unneccessary diatribe about ilu and ilu and elu and what have you. Are you always this confused about simple matters.

Yes Sir.I hear you. But macof ,do the field work and come nullify my stance . Kikikiki

Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 12:35am On Sep 15, 2018

RedboneSmith:
You're being annoying. I speak the bloody language. You do not.

I don't even have to present evidence because if indeed you have been speaking to Igbo people, they would tell you 'Ko' is cultivate/to plant. But I'll just go ahead and post screenshots from three different Igbo dictionaries: One by the colonial anthropologist, Northcote Thomas, one by the expatriate linguist Roger Blench and one by the Igbo linguist Michael Echeruo.

As I have said, you dont need to proof anything tp me because there is alternative for cultivate in Iboland but non in yorubaland.In which it showed that Ibo borrowed the word because it is not universal in Igboland as seen in Yoruba land . Go back and ask for the alternative in Ibo land. Once such exist,then clearly it means it is a borrowed word. After all ,Àso Èbi is acknowledge in Iboland as Yoruba's . Is Aso Ebi of Ibo origin?

Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 12:30am On Sep 15, 2018

macof, the Yoruba enthusiast, this a sample on how to transilerate: lexicology\lek-sə-kō-ˈlä-ji. Perhaps, you will be guided.

Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 12:22am On Sep 15, 2018

macof:
Because of you I had to use my phone just to teach you small Yoruba Language, since you obviously don't speak good Yoruba

Ìlú might have been derived from the word Èlú... Èlú is actually possibly a forgotten deity in Ifè
Èlú also means Community or village or even hamlet
Ìlú means a City or a State or you could best say a City-state

A little history for you.. In pre-oduduwa Ìfẹ̀, the people were organized into 13 Elu

PS. It is 'Ìlú' not 'ìlù'...

Ìlú(City) and ìlù(Drum) have nothing to do with each other, these are two different words far apart
(note the accent marks)

Then both these words are different from "ọrùn" (sky) which is cognate to Igbo "Elu" meaning up

You have just embarrassed yourself, you think ìlú and ìlù are related because they have the same letters but can't comprehend how Ọrùn is related to Elu

Linguistics will confuse you my man, don't argue what you don't know

This is so hilarious my man got so confused

So Ō and e are the same thing in lexicology? I hear you Sir. Enjoy yourself macof!

Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 12:19am On Sep 15, 2018

RedboneSmith:
Clearly, you do not understand how this whole linguistics thing works, which explains this patience-trying self-confusing comment of yours. There was nowhere I said I said Igbo Elu and Yoruba Elu are cognates. Neither did I say Up and Drum are related. Igbo Elu is related to Yoruba Orun; that is what I said and that is what Macof have been saying. Yoruba Elu is a different word altogether, and is this Yoruba Elu, as a matter of fact is related to a group of words in Igboid dialects (Ulu, Uhu and Uru) which also mean something along the lines of village/community, but I am sure you didn't know this.

This lack of comprehension on your part is why I chose to be a spectator on this post because nothing riles me up more than trying to explain simple concepts to people who are incapable of understanding them.

And what is ‘Obodo'? Ibos and lies has been ageless.....May be,some Ibos who arent sure of their identity. Perhaps,Ibos aren't Homogeneous ,in the same manner as Edos....

Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 12:06am On Sep 15, 2018

What is thunder in Ibo ?
What is God in Ibo?
What is hair in Ibo?
What is man in Ibo?
What is woman in Ibo?
What is male in Ibo?
What is female in Ibo?
What is hair in Ibo?
What sun in Ibo?
What is fire in Ibo?
What is day in Ibo?
What is night in Ibo?
What is afternoon in Ibo?
What is true in Ibo?
What is lie in Ibo?
What is slave in Ibo?
What is rain in Ibo?
What is here in Ibo?
What is filled up in Ibo?

RedboneSmith,kindly,show the meaning Sir in English and let's start from there.Please take your time ooo because,I am not one of them who is not conversant with his ethnicity's history.

Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 11:58pm On Sep 14, 2018

RedboneSmith:
Clearly, you do not understand how this whole linguistics thing works, which explains this patience-trying self-confusing comment of yours. There was nowhere I said I said Igbo Elu and Yoruba Elu are cognates. Neither did I say Up and Drum are related. Igbo Elu is related to Yoruba Orun; that is what I said and that is what Macof have been saying. Yoruba Elu is a different word altogether, and is this Yoruba Elu, as a matter of fact is related to a group of words in Igboid dialects (Ulu, Uhu and Uru) which also mean something along the lines of village/community, but I am sure you didn't know this.

This lack of comprehension on your part is why I chose to be a spectator on this post because nothing riles me up more than trying to explain simple concepts to people who are incapable of understanding them.

Ok! So Elu has cognate with Ó-rún? Quite fascinating ! What about same ,Elu of Ibo and Yoruba Elu/Ilu or Elu-lu when pronounced ? They sound alike but mean different thing .

Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 11:50pm On Sep 14, 2018

RedboneSmith:
What is my point? My point is that 'ko' means to cultivate or to plant in Igbo. Wasn't that clear enough from my little comment?

Ko ji = cultivate yam.
Ko ede = cultivate cocoyam.

I don't know where you got Geurogbo from: that thing is certainly not Igbo. I will assume you meant Jee oru ugbo which literally means 'go to work on the farm'.

I'll break it down:

Jee = Go
Oru = Work
Ugbo = Farm

As can be clearly seen, the expression does not contain any word that translate as 'cultivate' in Igbo.

Repeat: 'Ko' is cultivate in Igbo. Ko is also cultivate in Edo.

Where did I get G/Jeurogbo from Sir? I got it from Ibos from Imo and Enugu people. Kó isnt Ibo. Yorubas dont have alternative word for it. And Edo is not a homogenous group. Be specific

Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 11:48pm On Sep 14, 2018

RedboneSmith:
What is my point? My point is that 'ko' means to cultivate or to plant in Igbo. Wasn't that clear enough from my little comment?

Ko ji = cultivate yam.
Ko ede = cultivate cocoyam.

I don't know where you got Geurogbo from: that thing is certainly not Igbo. I will assume you meant Jee oru ugbo which literally means 'go to work on the farm'.

I'll break it down:

Jee = Go
Oru = Work
Ugbo = Farm

As can be clearly seen, the expression does not contain any word that translate as 'cultivate' in Igbo.

Repeat: 'Ko' is cultivate in Igbo. Ko is also cultivate in Edo.

Kó isnt Ibo.And Edo is not a homogenous group. Be specific

Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 11:42pm On Sep 14, 2018

RedboneSmith:
It might be instructive to note that in Ekpeye (which is an Igboid language), Elu is Olu. They retain the initial 'o' as in Yoruba. Linguists believe Ekpeye hived off from Proto-Igboid at an early age and has as a result retained archaic forms that mainstream Igbo has lost. It is probable, based on the Ekpeye evidence, that ancient Igbo used to have an 'o' at the beginning of 'elu', just like Yoruba but subsequently shifted to 'e'.

what is this? Elù or Ìlù in Yoruba is ‘Town'. The same way ,a variant pronounciation became ‘Ìlù',which mean ‘drum'. How are they related to Ibos, ‘up' and ‘drum'? Stop this bro.

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