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1. That is all very correct.
2. There is no confusion, Hebrew word for mother simply has two alphabets 'Aleph' and 'mem' which is transliterated to english as "Ema" or "Ama"
How does this show any form of connection to "I-Y-E" that was the real question which you have not answered.

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Who is your Hebrew instructor ? So, you think what you fused together are the correct form in ancient Hebrew? Beside, you don't know,how ‘ma' or ‘Ema' , was even derived. So don't bother yourself to use logic.
Do you know English Language borrowed over 3000+ words from Roman's Latin, Spanish and others ? . Researchers indicate that English-Spanish cognates account for one-third of educated adult vocabulary (Nash, 1997) and 53.6 percent of English words are of Romance-language origin (Hammer, 1979). And Spanish from English are about 1,000 words that are cognates or are borrowed from a common language. So your ‘Ma' or , ‘Ema' that you thought had been contested against by other researchers , because English language did developed through different languages.
Mind you, I posted the screenshot , why ask me this question again?


3. What is the name of this Rabbi? You should have known i would ask

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The Rabbi is not the focal point but the ancient word list of Hebrew. If you need learn ancient Hebrew through modern Hebrew,then you are totally lost. Rabbi mean Master /Teacher in ancient Hebrew.


you did not even remotely answer the qestions

1. This is just a hypothesis that has been trashed. You like to talk about hebrew all the time, but still maintain an european medieval idea that has been trashed by improved studies of the modern era. 'Hebrew' is "Ibri/Ivri" in Hebrew language

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Oga , you have no idea of ancient Hebrew. Perhaps, you think the Aleph and mem are the factors of deciphering words in ancient Hebrew? No sir, there is more to it . So stop dabbling through imaginary means . Kindly Pick up the advise rendered to you to read so as to enhance your knowledge on Middle East knowledge, precisely Hebrew.



Since you inability to answer this question establishes that you do not know of the yoruba word for Hebrew, or any yoruba town that has has a tradition of descending from hebrews...so what exactly is your source? can you see that you are exposing yourself to making shit up from your ass?

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Stop it, what ass exposure? Even with Screenhot I posted to support my view and research ? You are a joke!


you gave no books that correspond with what you have been claiming.


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Haaaa go back and check the fve books I posted for you to enhance yourself .


"Who are the other groups the Yoruba met as they were migrating down to Nigeria? And what part of Yoruba accounts confirm those foreign accounts, it is after all the yoruba that is being talked about, surely the yoruba accounts must give legitimacy to what ever foreign accounts"


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The Yoruba account from oral say, Oke Ora was the place through Olofin entered the settlement. Do you know , Ke Ra, exist in Egypt too? . Can you explain to us how Yoruba language had a touch of Egypt's lexicon? Then, why do some other descendants of other groups call olofin an Usurper? Yet, his father was not known nor the father of the man, who he was accused of usurping. May be, you know the history of Olofin's father and his contemporaries ? If so, share it.



^^^^this was my question, a very straight forward question.. you have not answered it

Ikedu king list! have you come across this list? or have you come across anyone who has? ^Lets deal with what you really know about.


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There is Ikedu list and part of what I know is that, there were people known as leaders and there were claim about the kinglist before Olofin showed up. So, don't break up what is in the public domain through oral account . Do you know IFE fought civil war during Olofin and Oranmiyan's time ? These wars were even conscripted as one in Susan Blier's book. Despite this error, as you can see, I intend not to footdrag this, Sir!


But actually what part of this your post here do you think addressing my question? how does Ikedu list have anything to do with People yoruba met before reaching Nigeria?


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Yes, it did because, that was the melting point that changed the face of Yoruba land. Do you even know, how many people had been conscripted as Yorubas? Ancient Oriki pieces everyone identity in Yorubaland. Olofin dynasty sustained the family tie kind of kings and their kingdoms, which is termed, ‘ DIVINE'-ORI CONCEPT, will help you understand this.



I never said Ibn Battuta made a baseless claim, he was not a claimant of anything, his writting was simply about the things he saw and experienced as a traveller and explorer not historian, he was no historian.



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Nobody was any historian but clerics, warriors, travellers account that's been documented are sources to reference,in the ancient times. So, what is the problem with such. The people's of old Greek, Roman etc weren't historians too, if your concept of historians are based on modern termilogy.


I was saying the people who claim he mentioned Ife as 'Yufi' are wrong because Ibn Battuta never came near Yorubaland, his 'Yufi' was in east africa not west africa


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Yufi is just wrongly spelt form of IFE because of lettering problems . Beside, in French Language i=e(english pronunciation ). French j=g(English pronunciation). Consult a French person to know this Sir.

I have read two reviews of his Rihla


Ahan! oga, why lie? Where did Ahmed Baba put 'canaan' and 'yoruba' in the same sentence? Ahmed Baba was not trying to be an historian like Clapperton
Ahmed Baba was simply describing some West African people the Malians(in by extension his native Songhai) have significant trade with
i know you do not know the context of which Ahmed Baba mentioned the Yoruba...so you can go find that out, take your time to be involved in actual fact finding with guidiance from those before you.



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Ahmed Baba's account is written in Hausa's Ajami sultanate account that predated the reader to clapperton. So stop this view that has no base. Are you saying, a white man that is filled with pride, will ever want to say this to the whole world for ego? May God help you oo.



Yoruba in Benin, Togo, Ghana, South America? dude are you a dunce? I thought you were claiming yoruba migrated to Yorubaland from Israel.
We all know how Yorubas got to South America...*coughs* slave trade..
Historians know how Yorubas got to Benin, Togo and built few communities in Ghana...Wars and Expansion ambition. These have nothing to do with Yoruba origin



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What's your point? I referred to this places as migration causes,so what's your point? So you don't IFA-AFA existed in North Africa ? If so, why the cognate? And this AFA disappeared without a trace. How could this be? I am not going to train you on it, but you find it out. Please, don't say Ibo has AFA ,too because, they could not showcase it in United Nations World heritages . This simply means, they can't defend it , as Yoruba IFA had been shown to the world.




I'm so lost with the beginning of this part of your post.

1. What are the names of these ethnicities in Sudan, ethiopia and morrocco that are connected to Yoruba
ps. There are countless african people who have body scarification that can be linked to Yoruba, as well as circumcision of girls and boys.. Speaking of which, if you were not trying so hard to push a claim that you yourself are not convinced of(just too ashamed to say you have no proper backings), you would know that Hebrew tradition forbids female circumcision as such the Yoruba who do practice a totally different tradition



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So, you expect me to explain these things to you? Are you no more a history enthusiast or more precisely, historian? Visit libraries or Google Books on the Ancient Sudan and Ethiopia to know more on Africa history. The pioneer of ruling class in Egypt and ,Amun/Ammon cult .



I asked what are the race of non-aboriginal narration in Ifa
Please ask if you do not understand my english sir, instead of all this posting of things that have nothing to do with my question


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This question you ask is non relevant to what is at stake. So, Null and void. Perhaps, you know what it means,when elders says, ‘À kí fí omo ìré bo ìré'.

i expected you to mention a place outside Nigeria that features in ifa as the place of origin for Yoruba, not mentioning places within Yorubaland
This only shows that Ifa establishes an aboriginal status for Yoruba.


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Before Judaism, Ephod begun in the land of JUDAH and Israel. The western historians have not been able to explain the exact meaning of Ephod. And the Biblical account , a part said Duad(David) consulted Ephod . Again in Morocco, AFA had footprint.



but how can you say you are trying to unravel this 'missing history' when you already have your conclusion before evidence?
its like in mathematics, you already have your answer without showing how you got to the answer... wuruwuru


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What is the conclusion? Unravel, means, to reveal or you have your own meaning for this word ‘unravel'.



You let evidence convince you, not you twist things to appear as what you already want to believe

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Twist what now? Show me where I twisted anything ? I ask you people simple questions but no answers. After all, you have become b, a teacher, on line, with these questions.... You distract me.



There are much parts of yoruba oral history that is rightly said, missing, but it takes dedicated study and initiation in the traditions to know enough to build the bridges and seal the gaps


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Dedication to study? Yes. But initiation? No.After all, many people are initiate, even white men were. Did they know more than what has been written ? No No No . Until you understand that Yoruba history from within has some few lapse without proper documentation but through their oral account and Yoruba language, such people's history can be solved with comparison against other people's culture and language.
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negative words? like i call out stupid things when i see it? i laugh, you think Isese is a tradition of roses and back massages?
Isese is harsh and straight... No Isese person will try to make you feel as if you are more than what you are


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I thought you claimed to be an initiate, if then learn to eschew discipline and tolerance.After all, there are code of conduct in Iledi.


You are just lying now you this church boy claiming isese online.. ok ni bo lo gba ikin e? abi se o ti gbe Igba odu?


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Just imagine this question? What has church or mosque got to do with one's ésìn àbàl'àyè ? oh k Ooo , you are the juju man . As far as I am concerned,I don't have time to make mockery nor scare anyone as you litter the internet with the wrong impression you want readers to perceive Yoruba tradition negatively. Anyway, 28years+ ago, what knowledge do know about Igba Odu? . If you and I stood before an IFA PRIEST, after he dà'fá in our presence, you will bow to me . It has been proven several times with such people like you.

macof:
1. Wrong accents marks for most of what is written there. You don't seem to speak Yoruba fluently? As I still remember you couldn't tell the difference between "ìlú" and "ìlù"

T'ibì T'ire ni à da ilẹ̀ Ayé
That is the right way to write what you were trying to say.

2. "Àlominílé f'ẹjẹ wẹ" is an oriki of Ogun not Esu

3. Esu - the man - was from Ketu. All traditions around Esu revolves around Ketu, with Oyo recording his presence among them at some time
He had no presence in places like Ife, reason Esu has no signicant following in central and Eastern Yoruba towns
If Esu traveled as far as the middle east, I think Yorubas would know that

T('i)b(ì) T('i)r(e) n(i) à d(a) ilẹ̀ (A)y(é)-è

The letters in bracket aren't accented properly. accents on Yoruba languagewere shaped through French pronunciation. Though, it doesn't mean Yoruba language aren't filled with accents when pronounced.
And trust me, I have idea on French words and her pronunciation form. So, don't dare me.


2. Bárá l’ àb'élékún súnkún kí érú o bá élékún . Bí élékún bá n súnkún, Láàroyé à mà sún éjé'.(*edited*)

* I had edited it earlier but anti-spam Bot on NL can be a bit challenging *

3. Èsù Oníbodè, I know isn't from Kètú. Can you give, how that came to be? Although, ancient Yoruba names had Èsù, as a prefix to their names.

Obalufon:
Olu is esu devil?.. Please Esu is not Devil nothing like devil or Satan in yoruba tradition ..Are you a christian? ..Esu is the medium between Almighty God and man.. he contains our excesses .

No.... And I had answered you in my previous post on the work of Èsù from my understanding as regards his duty .But I have some questions. So please,answer the following questions.


1.Who exactly is Èsù?

2. Yoruba elders says, t' ìbí t'íré ní Àdà ìlè Àyè. Whose saying was it in IFA corpus ?

3. This saying came forth in 1st plural pronoun ‘À' ,which is,‘WE' in English translation,so who were creators of Àyè that mention, the ‘good' and ‘bad' forces ?

4. As you have seen me done, I want you to explain what this saying on Èsù, ; Bárá l’ àb'élékún súnkún kí érú o bá élékún . Bí élékún bá n súnkún, Láàroyé à mà sún éjé'.

5. Do you know Èsù, Eksum, Heasu(Easu) appeared in some other people's culture in Middle East and European culture?

As you know, we are sharing knowledge,so as to understand some aspects of our darling YORUBA culture, which has a vacuum, that needed to be filled.But as it seems, thw shocking CONSERVATIVE, especially the ones that lack the pedigree to cohabit with other people's different views that's based on research work can't tolerate the truth. Yet these set of people can't defend Our ancestors very well when EDO CLAIM ODU'A AS their own Igodo descendant? *What an Irony*

ONLY SONS WILL DEFEND HIS FATHER'S RIGHT. AS YOU HAD SEEN OTHERS AND I have done so vividly.





lastly I wait to read from your depth .

OlaoChi:
while thousands of students annually are learning Yoruba history and how Yoruba is a native African civilization
It is one unemployed guy who didn't pass jamb that wants to tell professors of history and anthropology that they are wrong

If this things you post here are what you have in the book, even your dunce friends here won't buy it

bien vas périr. parce que t'es non pertinent.....


Assignment for you a, ‘fou à lier '

Just imagine this crap up? IN LIGUISTIC, it is called ‘COGNATES' . as far as I am trained, I won't stoop low as Omo Ibo like you(olachi)who can't differentiate between myth and facts.So also have no respect for his ancestors or parents .... Mind you,I have met some Ibos with great attitude but yours? Extremely shameful . If I can make these things up, then, dread me like your ancestors dreaded my ancestors. But did I also made the below's screenshot up?


I thank God, because I have something great in the offing, what exactly is your purpose in life ? . Funny enough, you and many household shall shamelessly purchase it because you want to know what you have never come across in your lifetime.So wait for it.

A retard is known by his/her action but unfortunately, this is a faceless forum. So, say I, that a ‘retard grandeur' is known by his or her senseless post sent online.

Interested in learning ? So as to get a grip. Read the this book as a beginner :


1. HEBREW LIFE AND CUSTOM.

Obalufon:
bro ..i need more information on monkey story by your friend absolute.. he real makes lots of sense with the yoruba Hebrew connection . but there are little flaws on his long write up.. Esu is not devil there is nothing devil in ife or yoruba tradition. and the story of gbo too
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Hmmmm Bárá l’ àbélékún súnkún kí érúu o bá élékún . Bí élékún bá n súkún, Láàroyè à má sún éjé. A lot on this diety has been said as he is referred as a service renderer to whoever call upon him through the necessary sacrifice and the consent of Èlèdúùmàrè.

MayorofLagos:
I am not done talking, I did not want to mix appreciation for a man of honor with spits and venoms I intend to shoot in the direction of men who profess to be illuminated by classroom knowledge but are deficient on native intelligence and enlightenement....macof and this omo ibo oluochi, and all others in their bandwagon. This post is for them.

First I must visit on Olu's complain about those throwing Isese around on public forum. There is a good reason Yoruba myth and oral history, as well Odu Ifa is encrypted. It is because of people like these gangsters of barawos. Couple of years ago JayZ, the American rapper was throwing around some finger gesturing supposed to symbolize codes for initiates into Illuminati. Like wildfire, it spread around the universe and we started seeing all kind of merchandise depicting these gestures and the word "illuminati" became a household name....even on the lips of baboons. Baboon sef began to swag like a illuminati. Only if people knew.... First, Jayz will never ever be admitted into the Inner Temple. He does not possess the discipline required to be an errand boy of the Temple, much more to become a member in the cult. But to his fans, he is an illuminati already. This is how I see these Isese wannabes. Even that Omo ibo called olaochi says he is an initiate of Isese. Can you imagine? There must be two Iseses....the one for ogberis, which is the one these creeps belong to. I am yet to see a true Oluwo getting distracted and becoming self-conscious to throw his weight in Iledi around on the internet. Bloody creeps! I seriously suspect that macof is not Yoruba, a child born into Yorubaland and grew into the culture of Ife. Many people think Dele Momodu is Yoruba because of his adept knowledge of the language and the culture. I know for fact Oluochi is Ibo.

macof, you still owe me a scold, let me catch you offguard....

Sir, take it easy oooo. Omo kekere ni nsè won.

OlaoChi:
So how does Yoruba being chosen of God make Yoruba Hebrew

You see you are a criminal trying to destroy Yoruba integrity with religious nonsense
No real Yoruba will worship foreigners (jews) like this

You try to gain knowledge from me through cunningly method ? Anyway,I will mention ten (10) similarities peculiar to Yoruba and Hebrew through your question for the deep thinkers and well read to see , the reason, ‘The Yoruba' of today were the founding generation of ancient Hebrew, which have been studied and believed by Western researchers,even if they kept
mute over it.

Can you not see how these people reference Yoruba kings among dark skin Race? Below are some of the researched reasons .



1. The Yoruba are an offspring
of the group that once
resided in ‘Oorú'

The Hebrew ancestors once
lived in the land of ‘or',according
Archeological research through
Cuneiform, hieroglyphs, Assyrian tablets etc and biblical reference.


2. The Yoruba is a multiracial group
that fused as one because of
conscription through intermarriages
and acceptance of Yoruba Religion
(IFA). Thus, Yoruba claim
being the ancestors of all
mankind.(No proof because
it is on oral account that
became documented)


The Hebrew is multiracial group
that fused as one because of
conscription through intermarriages
and acceptance of Hebrew religion
that begun through (EPHOD). Thus
the biblical reference claim
that Abraham's descendants will
cover the whole world. (No proof
because it is on oral account that
became documented)



3. ‘PROSTRATE',is enshrined inYoruba
culture because it is the epitome of
respect display by a younger person
toward one's grandfather,grandmother,
father, or older ones.

*Kow tow in Chinese bending isn't
prostration)* so don't make
mockery of yourself.

The Hebrew acknowledged prostration
as a form of respect.Take for instance,
Judah,‘PROSTRATED' before his
grandfather Isaac, when he was
introduced by Israel (his own father)
Book of Jubilees 31:28


4. Highest Multiple ‘Twin birth' in the world
is found among the Yoruba people only.

The Ancient Hebrew were the only group
that had the Highest Multiple Twin Birth
in the ancient times,according to the the,
white-Caucasian Historians.

5.The Yoruba, ‘élé-Édà' and ,èlè-Odùmáàrè
are prefix to the name of Almighty


The Ancient Hebrew were the only group
that used ‘Èl', to acknowledge their God


6. The Yoruba almighty Èlèdúùmàrè history
is eternal , who has no wife or rival because Èlèdúùmàrè is not seen as a man

The Ancient Hebrew ‘El' is eternal and has
no wife nor rival because the belief is that
God is never seen as a man. And it was
used as a prefix to his name. For
example, Èl-shad



7. The Yoruba tradition acknowledge even
both patrilineal and matrilineal side of the
family.

The Ancient Hebrew acknowledged both
patrilineal and matrilineal side of the family

8. The Yoruba word, ‘Édá' convey deeper
meaning for human because, it is heavily
enshrined in ORI CONCEPT. And this
word is scarcely used for humans. Instead
yoruba often use èníyán for humans.

The Ancient Hebrew were the only group
referred as EDA in the ancient times.

9. The Yoruba word, ‘Àdìrè' is a term
use for a woven cloth with pattern.


The Ancient Hebrew were the only group
that had a woven cloth called Àdéreth'


10. The Yoruba were the only group
that refers to the light of day/sunlight
as,‘Orún'.

The Ancient Hebrew were the only group
that referred to Sunlight as, ‘ Or'.





This is just a tip of the iceberg because, I have
more proof than these. Believe me, you are the
FRAUD because YOU HAVE NO ORIKI,and on
a wrong chase. Continue to disgrace yourself
over what is beyond You.

Oh k oo. Deal with the truth.

0balufonlll:
LOL I don laugh tire.

Mr. Know it all. Continue.

0balufonlll:
LOL I don laugh tire.

Post your ancestors oriki in Oranmiyan lineage, from Olofin descendants.. I swear on my ancestors grave, I will RUBBISH YOU

Obalufon:
Olu please summarize the monkey claim by your friend.. i don't look like monkey laugh

Omo IFA, why whine me? This area is supposedly known to you. Yoruba elders and their folklore have knowledge of Ijimere being half human, half inhuman because one of the myth is said to have been as a result of disobedience to Orunmila before it changed to half human and monkey like in nature .... Were the yoruba ancestors like the regular Africans? These people had scientific knowledge of evolution. Trust me, Yoruba were the chosen of God.

0balufonlll:
Lol what manner of nonsense is this? Did you read what you wrote? Do you actually think you could stand in the front of professors of History & hinge your nonsense on quran? A mythical conjectural crap? Are you serious?

Do you even realize that the fact that the Torah, Bible & Quran not agreeing on what is what makes it impossible to consult any of these books for anything non-spiritual? Heck, it does not even qualify as a secondary source. What manner of human are you? .

You are all talk & no substance. While I see you for allegedly citing Ifa - I hold reservation because you did not mention the odu & youb quoted Ifa but you can not separate myth from fact in the same Ifa. We know your type - an ogberi is easy to detect. After reading & listening to several Ifa sources you come out to act like an authority without ever stepping into an Igbo’du. We have seen a number of y’all in African-Americans & Latin-Americans on Facebook.

Historiography says that we should investigate social, political & economic relations between groups before accepting what they recorded about each other - oral or written. Applying this, Aras/quran writers already concluded Jews were inadequate & they were the legitimate people of god. This fact makes you Jew/Monkey BS subjective & not a thing to be taken seriously. For example, it is like Egba writing about Oyo or Ife writing about Modakeke. So please pocket that nonsense you posted.

Finally, uncle, the ape reference the Caucasians use to qualify the negro stemmed from prejudiced social factors stemming from supposed crude ways of the negros which where strange (not inferior) to the caucasians. It is not an extension of thr religious hatred Arabs had for Jews, a totally different peoples from negroid Yoruba.

So you are saying Yoruba were/Arabs while Olu’s angle is that Yorua are Jews. At what point una go converge? . Ihan oniranu gbogbo?

craps as usual when a supposedly scholar uses negative words on others. So Historiography says that we should investigate social, political & economic relations between groups before accepting what they recorded about each other - oral or written? .. I thought your own doesnt support this? Which mean all these times, many of us who don't support view are right. And which professor that hasn't come up with the meaning oranmiyan staff hieroglyphs interpretation? Kindly stop this nonsense. But, kindly Post your ancestors names in oranmiyan documented in Oranmiyan geonology list and I will repost mine to
RUBBISH YOU BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO RESPECT FOR ANCESTORS .

Obalufon:
.. so you think ...Benin republic yoruba /anago will pick out ibos from yoruba because they are our cousin.. Hausa man know themselves ..during the civilize war yoruba can't infiltrate the ibos without getting detected even with good knowledge of ibo language and culture..hausa man know what they look like ..

The Bénin Republic can't pick out yoruba from Ibos but differentiate us through our languages. This is because, Nigeria yoruba language is intelligible to Yorubas of Bénin Republic. But Ibo language is outrightly alien. I know this because I lived in Bénin for some years and I know how every peculiar look is stigmatised as, ‘ Ibo'. The Fon people ignorantly calls English speaking Nigerians Ibos, until such person claim Yoruba, a language which they don't understand the language but because of long historical connection with them, they show some traditional respect. Mind you, Yoruba orisa Ibeji is well appreciated and is part of their cherished tradition that's showcase in their museum.

Note:
This is a personal and first hand information on Republique du Bénin .

absoluteSuccess:
They do not have any history in their coffer, it’s all lies they can tell and in order not to be called out, they don't share any tradition at all. So their policy is simple, silence cannot be misquoted. But as for you brave enough to tell a story, they will subject your details to the hardest process that the fragile fact you have will break asunder.

Since they don't engage in educated discourse but mockery, bullying, trolling and cynicism, it would be difficult for an easy person to muster strength and engage them beyond two or more posts before [k'epo to tan ninu tank] at the end, and you began to dread them. I really salute your courage slogging it out with their champion, Ogbon nii segun.

They have been calling Oduduwa 'the usurper', imagine such fellows, aren't these really some descendants of one with character defect indeed, and a wine-babbler, mocking and laughing and jiving? A man will behave like his ancestors. All they know how to do best is transforming a piece of "misinformation" to an astounding, unbreakable tradition that never lead to any other tradition in Yoruba. Such is an adagun, without proof.

They have stood against you having link with Ife even if in the remotest past, yet the same folks claim all Yoruba came from Ile Ife, is that not double standard enough? Olu's remarkable ancestors did not come from Ife, but other Yoruba people and as many as their kings were, does. Is that not a remarkable conclusion to ponder upon?

The tradition they were touting here is that of Orunmila, who was referred to as 'Edu' in a passage of Ifa, of whom it is said, "Ifa o mu sekete ifa o niye, baba gbagba oti kanri, iye Edu la!" While the verse claimed that Ifa took wine to boost his memory, this people find a way to transform this tradition and superimpose Obatala on it as 'archenemy' of Oduduwa. How so?

Obatala is not a contemporary of Oduduwa, his nature is not connected to migration, he was established as a sculpture (morimori) in the homeland of the ancient Yoruba, Orun. In fact, if these people are wise, they will respect the Yoruba tradition that says "Olobatala kii memu" and leave Obatala out of the drunk business, but they needed a story to tell, any storying would do.

Obatala is identical with Orisa-Nla or Osala, and of him is the saying, 'babami ala funfun gboo kanle' the adjective 'gbo' has become Igbo on nairaland, and it is the root of Igbo/Ugbo that we now have becoming a tradition on its own, meanwhile, gbo is the whiteness of the tunic of Obatala. So, Olugbo can blend in to Oba-gbo, cropping out the rest of the information for just 'gbo' and affixing anything you like.

You can see how our researchers are progressing, "cognate reformation" must be a course in historical departments in our universities. Now the point is, if this was what led to the rise of Oduduwa and the fall of Obatala, how come the Yoruba came to claim Oduduwa was their ancestor? there was a fight between Obatala and Oduduwa, then Yoruba claim Oduduwa was their progenitor because he won?

The Yoruba were not aware of this "reassignment of icons of Yoruba history". They were familiar with the tradition of mecca origin taught them in the school, the hamitic theory so to speak. If you are a researcher, no need improve on the "hamitic theory", let go of it and uncover a different name, but the fools want to eat their cake and have it by changing the narrative to fit their local content, in the name of being scholars.

folks, you are trained to do research, not to do 'join-join' work by synchronizing different anachronistic traditions and 'iya oba baba tan' kind of history together because it all (assumed to have) happened in the same realm, let your claim have a wider scope, reaching the exterior limits of the realms of knowledge, not an unsearchable gist that everyone must bow to because it comes from somewhere but nowhere in particular.

Come out with your claims, don't be wise by half.

You are awesome with your encouragement but trust me, they don't bother me because they are intellectually stagnant and have nowhere to go . And Yes, the novice accused Adimula, as an usurper, yet the man lived and organised a monarchial system that has sustained genealogical links,with the longest dynasty in AFRICA, Middle East and second to HAN dynasty (206 BC–220 AD) China, which had collapsed 1000+ of years ago. This same people are the ones that still claim genealogical link with Olofin Adimula, Isn't it funny? Anyway, I remain an humble descendant of Ooni olofin descendants, especially through Oanmiyan patrilineal loin.

Mind you, my ancestor oriki is; Omo arogun màsà aróté màbérú àfídí pótémólé.


Cheers

OgboAto:
Obalufon, this is why everyone seems to have a problem with your friend. He does not understand the things he read. He has no analytical skills and he is very naive - he takes things as is instead of critiquing first.

Mr Olu, since you did not know, I would like to educate you again like others have been doing.

What Europeans wrote was that you, a black man, were too dumb & at the base of human existence.

They wrote that you were very unintelligent, your brain capacity could not have invented indigenous monarchy; you were too crude to do the Ife & Esie artworks; you were equals with monkeys that you could not organize a village. So they invented the Hamitic hypothesis that everything of value in Ife/Africa was created/invented by Arabs, Hebrews, Europeans who were early occupants of Africa and you the black man only came into the picture from nowhere and met these artworks & civilization on ground.

Everyone from Fobrenius, Dierk Lange, Mundo Park to Christian missionaries like Bowe nthe founder of Baptist Church held the same view.

Look at what Bowen the founder of Baptist had to say about you, a black man:



In essence, Olu, your pursuit is misplaced. The whitemen said those who created what makes you proud as a Yoruba today were not back men but those with caucasian phenotype. And that you, Olu, only came from where no one knows & occupied a civilization that existed before you.

Europeans tried the same thing with Bini when they claimed Bini artworks were done by Portuguese. They disagreed wit te fact that Bini people could do such wonders. They even invented a story around this to say Bini kings had some Portuguese backgrounds/connections.

Today, in our very eyes, the history of Egypt is being whitewashed daily. They are trying so hard to push a narrative that old Egyptians were not negro but caucasia looking. I am guessing if Olu reincarates in next few centuries he will begin to disturb everyone then with claims that old Egyptians came from Caucasus mountains.

What's this one? I am not interested in your opinion or someone else as likened to Bowen on the description of some Africans that looked Apelike.

People like you are the reason evil act continue in the world because, you picked a part of a man's opinion to attack me,when the same man CLASSIFIED Yoruba differently. Apart from this, have you no knowledge of Apelike myth being in Yoruba folklore ? If you are Yoruba, visit elders with vast knowledge on this .

So stop this retrogressive view that even scientific research by the same Caucasians posited that humanoid ancestors came out Africa,even with fossil human evidence. Please, save me this view of yours because it distracts . If you have anything worthwhile,candidly contribute.

Obalufon:
we need time machine to solve this historical puzzle.. ObalufonIII I believe your friend (olaochi) is a christian his not exposed to Yoruba religion and science he wouldn't have disproved the possibility of link to the east because middle east because it's assumed to be the birth place of civilization even our so called know it all white masters think we are from the east .. i'm once an Amorc verse in Egyptian mysticism and ancient mystical order and history also involved in my nativity religion....i'm not a bigot if you attacked my race i would fight back.

Certainly, there were reason before white researchers claimed connection to East. Diop assertion was East Africa, origin connection. Mind you, circumcision of both male and female was prevalent in ancient Ethiopia but their burial system was anciently different.

Obalufon:
you guys should stop fighting

Why would I fight him? Of course not, I am above that. Anyway, I am here to str8n the incoherent information he churns out online because he is a young lad-y who hasn't put himself to rigorous study on the ancient world's history .


Bro trust me, No qualm.

0balufonlll:
Loool this guy funny die. .
You want me to post my background data so you can appropriate it? I never even post much info & you already want to claim we are related. What if I post detailed info then?

Awe, go & sit down. O ma nkan kan.

C'mon I posted mine,so do the same . Ask obalufon to disprove my statement and CLAIM , because he saw it. After all,you were the fuming one online, while I enjoy reading your ignorant statement. Do the same as I had done. Or are you now ashame of yourself?

Mind you, I don't need you to post your *detailed* profile but your ANCESTORS ORIKI in Oonis ruling Houses,who were Lajamisan descendants. Mine is as clear as a crystal ball. What about yours?


LOBATAN.

Obalufon:
You don't have to merge with the outsider olaochi to fight your own brother .... I'm link to giesi too paternal great grand mother and ogboru too ..very close with the sijuades

Ask him to post his ancestors name in the oriki and family compound as I did that you saw it .

0balufonlll:
Was? Lol. You are fraudulent. It says Oluusi, Orimo, Owamilere. Is it yours?



Technically on research? Says a man who does not know what methodology. You keep talking about beaded crown and stuff - but do you know that Olubuse 1, Aderemi & Olubuse ll never mentioned your Luusi in the original Yoruba king list.




Olodo, so my own father became a crown prince in my mother’s house? Man, you are one retarded person.. I hope & pray your king visits Ife someday, I pray you will be there to see how he will be treated by ordinary palace courtiers.



Claiming relevance online? If my background was insignificant, Mr. Obalufo would have layed it bare. There’s nothing to brag about but some of us are omo Oba in each of our backgrounds we turn to. We are many & it is not a big deal.

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We are still waiting fot you to mention Luusi’s father by the way.

And no, we are not related abeg. Stop claiming ties with everything/everyone.

See your life ? Who is the olodo if not you? I have posted it. If you doubt, ask obalufon. Do the needful by doing the same about yours.... You lack the knowledge of history.......

obalufon, I can see you online. View this and ask that young lad to learn.... I hope you have seen it clearly.



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bluke:
ilorin became populated because of freedom promised any yoruba person (slave or free) that fled from oyo empire.
Notice all surrounding towns are also muslims, the kings were promised freedom under islam if they joined ilorin against the oyo empire.
One major factor that broke the empire.

Yes of course, you are correct on the promises but it was not as a result of Islam because converts became majority in ILORIN, after many slaves,who were Muslims fled because of the promise of freedom to all of them to practice their religion . In fact, Afonja promise, went further to give an impression of ILORIN being the safe abode for them all.

0balufonlll:
Alaye, quit all the stories & attend to the points the man raised in the post I shared:

1.

Are Owa Ale & Olusi throne related?

2.

What is your reaction to this claim?

3.

You are claiming atiquitity meanwhile the author of that post capped your historyat 17th century. What is your take?


Learn to attend to issues & quit frivolities. Except of course you have no answers to them & you would rather obfuscate everything than admit you have been boxed.

Obalufon, this man is a liar. Do not let him hoodwink you. His history began in the 17th century. He has no connections with Lafogido, else, he would have mentioned which of his sons was Lafogido’s father.

PS: Apart from Giesi, if you knew the positions of Orunto & Ideta in Ife you’ll know you to fall back with your shenanigans.

1. Just imagine your ignorance? ,So there was one Oluusi in Yoruba land? . Dig deeper, professor

2. I thought you know history more than all so well but obviously, you lack the technicality on research. Have you suddenly forgotten that beaded crown,*Sword*,special regalia, entourage etc were the determinant factor for any migrating prince? I mock you.

3. À sè o tí é lè .Being related to Geesi through your maternal lineage ? . SMH! Many people are like you . Interwovenly, you are related to me . Omo Omo Ogbooru, I feel you. Bow down and Show me MY FULL RESPECT

4. So in your mind, you are the one saying the truth? Post your ancestors oriki and their documented lineage in ILEIFE. And not by claiming relevance online. Post your oriki and point out your patrilineal ancestors as I intend to do.

5. With my kind of boldness , a liar will never have my depth nor such courage as I do. . I am a man of purity. ÀSÓ ÀLÀ NÍ MO YAN LÀTÍ ODÈ ÓORÚN. .
Consult, your IFA priest to explain the meaning to you or Obalufon can be of a guide to you.

Obalufon:
Olu please for the sake of our ancestors don't fight abeg oo, we are all here to learn .. kindly say who the father of Luusi was

Yes, we are here to learn but I intend to stay align to the path of truth so I will engage the young lad who errs every time because he knows little and pride himself too much. Pardon me, I won't mention the name of Luusi's father because it is part of the punishment for the young lad, who will write yorubas history in not too distant future. Although, for your sake,I will post the people whose ancestors are of the same family compound in ILEIFE.


I want he, 0balufonlll to post and proof his legitimacy as regards his own patrilineal ancestors weight . Mind you if we don't make noise because humility is our watchword , it doesn't mean, history can be muddled up in Yoruba land.

Èmí ómó àrúgbo ìlè àbìkà lórùn

Omo Ibo, Omo Ibo, who was the well known ancestor of yours? Stop littering this forum

0balufonlll:
LOL I don laugh tire.

Continue in your laughter but know it, your monicker is filled with fake information. What a shame! Oya show us by posting it if your ancestors are recognised... . IFEOOYE have record of all Yorubas


Name your ancestors with their documented IFE QUARTERS.....

0balufonlll:
You are not slick.
See the emboldened parts in the post.

Don’t deflect it to Ikare except you are retarded & unable to grasp what you read.

No time, just wait for obalufon to give me go ahead. Although, you have to post your family ancestors too because you claimed, you are relevant .Please mention your own ancestors ,who was likened to Lajamisan?


It's not by pride but by humility. We don't make noise because we stand by the truth and relevant.

0balufonlll:
I’ll help you with your ancestry history so you can stop chasing a false connection to Ife:



See: https://oloolutof./2018/06/15/the-brief-history-of-ikare/

@Obalufon, as you can see, your friend Olu is a liar. That is his the history of his ancestors above, he has to links with Ife. He is again exposed as a fraud. Be mindful of your interactions with him. Are you going to be around for Olojo? We should visit your compound tomorrow or Saturday from my compound - you know the usual stuff.

Me from IKAARE? . Do you even know Ila orangun descendants are in Ikaare? You deserve this laugh because you claimed to be an historian but you don't even know much about lineage. . Funny enough,my ancestors were too strong like ORANMIYAN ,who was their great grandfathers...
Give more proof because your opinion isn't oenough! Give it more tries.

Once obalufon respond, I will post the orik and you will be disgraced . But try to post your own ancestors too. After all, you claimed, you are not Obalufon's descendants ? Post your ancestor family name online..... because Every known family have their orikis properly documented in ILE IFE

Post it if you are heavy weight like me. Trust me, you can be as rich as Dangote or Bill Gate, but it has nothing to do with ancestry. I had thought you have an old man that will counter me . Bloody clown.

Conclusion.

I Swear I make you irrelevant once obalufon says, I should post it.

0balufonlll:
Which fxking Isese? If you enter Ife we will use you to bo ire nicely.

LMAO, this is comical. Stop asking stupid questions, tell us which of Lafogido’s sons was Luusi’s father as you have claimed. I dey wait.

So Obalufon is like your errand boy now? LOL. Do you even realize your Luusi’s anestry is not fit to buckle Obalufon’s ancestry’s shoes? Do you even know the position of that man’s backgrounds in Ife?

You are not rubbishing anybody, LOL. Everyone has rubbished you for your every post. You are the example of ignorant per excellence.

The difference between you and I is,‘ LIE '. AND I WANT PEOPLE TO SEE MY STRENGTH. SO BE HUMBLE ENOUGH TO ASK Obalufon to ask me to proof me and I oblige him. Omo IFA NI ÈMI. Oya do your worst

I intend to make you change so as for you to pick a new moniker . Dare me by asking obalufon to say it to me. And I will honour his voice. And thereafter, post your ancestor too

But wait, please who was your ancestor? Or are you Ibo too?

This is not my style but You brought this shame upon yourself, so deal with it.

0balufonlll:
Which fxking Isese? If you enter Ife we will use you to bo ire nicely.

LMAO, this is comical. Stop asking stupid questions, tell us which of Lafogido’s sons was Luusi’s father as you have claimed. I dey wait.

So Obalufon is like your errand boy now? LOL. Do you even realize your Luusi’s anestry is not fit to buckle Obalufon’s ancestry’s shoes? Do you even know the position of that man’s backgrounds in Ife?

You are not rubbishing anybody, LOL. Everyone has rubbished you for your every post. You are the example of ignorant per excellence.

The difference between you and I is,‘ LIE '. AND I WANT PEOPLE TO SEE MY STRENGTH. SO BE HUMBLE ENOUGH TO ASK Obalufon to ask me to proof me and I.

I intend to make you change so as for you to pick a new moniker . Dare me by asking obalufon to say it to me. And I will honour his voice. And thereafter, post your ancestor too

Please who was your ancestor? Or are you Ibo too?

0balufonlll:
Firstly, you keep typing Yoruba with nonsense diacritic yet you want to claim knowledge of Hebrew, a foreign language.. And that nonsensical oriki you posted is an outright lie, go & take several seats.

Honestly, I do not think you hold a right state of mind. You seem not to keep a traack of your own statemets and have a problem grasping stated points.

- You claimed your Luusi was related to Giesi, I busted your lie.

- You tried to hold me in a loop by asking me to mention Oduduwa’s ancestry, I in turn asked you to mention Luusi’s ancestry.

- You quickly claimed Luusi was Lafogido’s child. I fxxked you up by letting you know I am thick with Lafogido’s people. You quickly backtracked & refused to mention Luusi’s parents.

You are the clown. You have now shifted your Luusi to Oranmiyan from Lafogido & Giesi. You crack me up man. Abeg post the oriki, humour me.

Alaimokan, you better stop dragging your ancestry in the mud with your ignorance.

obviously, you are the liar.

Like I said, I wont say who was the father of Luusi. So whose descendants are you? And if I had said Lafogido was a father of Luusi, was it wrong ? Who was Lafogido's father? . Trust me, I am enjoying this because you have no respect for Ìsésé, ìtàn àtí àróbà. Èmí ómó ìré tí wón lè fí bó'rè. Go ask what it means

Beg Obalufon to say it to me to post it because he is humble enough to earn my endearing respect . Else I won't post it because I want you to remain ignorant forever. . Except he wants me to rubbish you. . Once he says go, I will post it because I want to silence your ignorance.