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MetaPhysical:
Im going to jump in here. When you talk about Canaan and Assyria, what was the compatriot name identity in that age for the people now known as Persia and Arab?

, Sumerians, Akkadian,Chaldean, Terah descendant-ABram-Ivri{Ishmaelite & Hebrew-Yoruba ancestors; that named part of Summer land after disposition of Summer people, (land of Or(middle east understanding through linguistic interpretation)-(Oru ;Yoruba's - heat land/period)

Cheers

brodalokie:
Noah did not settle in Africa. It was Ham that migrated to the plains of Africa and founded Egypt. The Jews are our first born and their ancestor, Shem remained in the middle east. They have nothing to do with the African land except trading intelligence with, Egypt, Ethiopia and Lybia

I have not reason to engage on Noah even if I know part of this history through the bible.Unfortunately,he is not the bone of contention but Ivri(Hebrew) people and Yorubas. Apart from Ham, do you even know how many dynasties and colour of people ruled Egypt? Verify before you post and bring information encompassing the whole race.

Sorry again your information is false because the Jews arent yoruba or Africa first born. The reason is that both Hebrew and Yoruba languages s
are not the oldest in the world and were not the first set of beings on earth. Stop making point based only of Afrocentric information. Verify before you post. This is no fact.


Kindly do research on cuneiform, pictographs, hieroglyphs, before your conclusion on where shem descendants who are part of the chosen ones are.....But badly you agreed Jesus(greek word) came to Africa? Have you read your bible to understand the meaning of this. Furthermore, go do research on cuneiform, pictographs, hieroglyphs, before your conclusion on where shem descendants who are part of the chosen ones are.

Kindly respond to the information that I posted.

MetaPhysical:
Imperial, I salute you sir! I miss you here, please drop once in a while and lighten up the thread. Everyone in here get too serious and we lock down, your own injenctions will help. I am reading what you post, you have very good points and positioning but I get a kick from your style of presentation, I can't stop laughing at your jest and taunt. I am interested in three points you raised. Please emphasize on the Aburo and Akobi. Share more. Also, when you say Elu is Blue, how did it become so? Elu is the tree leaf our Ancestors use to manufacture indigo. Is it not?

ImperialYoruba is quite educative even with his style. Although linguists meaning of ancient Hebrew- Semitic/Afroasia have a lot of cognates with Yoruba's Akobi . But I want you to explain the meaning of the Hebrew's ‘Urim' from your wealth of experience.


Cheers

brodalokie:
Cannan only inherited ancestral teachings from his grandfather who imported the knowledge from the first world. Cain was the first man of war ever recorded and city builder. Some people would confuse either him or his step brother Seth as Orion. In other records he is called Aries the god of war. My point is that Cannan land did not exist during the time Cain walked the earth so whatever we have is a carry over. It is just like a king is going to model after a past ancestor. Ham modelled the Serpent who saw Adam /Noah's unclothedness, Cush models the tree of good and evil and called himself Mercury, Nimrod models Cain a hunter or military aka god of war and began to expand into an empire. It is just ancestral patterns replayed. We also inherit that from them and when Babel was divided people migrated to various parts of the world with different languages but the same purpose. Nimrod divided the lands. All of the the cardinal points in every given area is in their ancient mystical computer. Don't you wonder when you see the map of the world how did they manage to draw it up and used it to navigate the seas. Where did it come from.

These your views arent true because of the following:

1.Hebrew did not start from Canaanland but from migration from Africa to Chaldea land and through Sumerian land ,then to the land of Or in Iraq. Canaanland was not Hebrew but occupied after their settlement and change of authority by the new occupier who are known as Ab-ram descendants,who was referred to as Ivri (Hebrew)because his ancestors were migrant people known to as Ivri people; travellers-Traverse

2.Cain was not a warrior as you claimed but a murderer if you are referencing the Biblical account. In fact, Cain's meaning has nothing to do with warrior.And the renowned warrior according to the Bible was Nimrod.

3.Aries is not associated with war but coronation authority. Plainly, it is associated with ruler's confirmation as the king or the powerful ruler.

brodalokie:
Being human centric as you call it will not say Abraham is a Yoruba man. I am only telling history the way it is.
If I time I can make a good history student-teacher out of you. There are keywords to look at in order to be truly inspired. I am a student myself and also a teacher. White people can buy your local products, trademark or tradition to test drive your upgrade.
Shem remains in Asia and Japhet travels far into the vast land of Europe ham colonises African land. They are constantly trading intelligence or tradition but their father Noah laid their foundations, blessings and curses. To think that it can change is only a pipedream.

Osun
Ogun
Sango abi papa sango of olden day's WWF
Esu abi na undertaker of WWE who's brother is Caine?

They are all plagiarism of what their father gave them from Egypt, Babylon and most especially Greece

Ogun is Orion (iron)
Sango is Zeus or Odin/Thor
Esu is Zoroaster or Osiris I think
Osun is Uranus or Pusiedon I think

The placing of the people always the same on every given circumference in it's four cardinal points and represents a horseman color and character. They all originate in the middle east.

I am glad that you like Hebrew but Don't think that the Jews don't do pagan. They have been screwed by Professors or Prophets of the original scripture passed down from Adam to Noah who cursed Ham for derailing many times for patronizing the Hermes script (intelligence) aka idolatry. It looks like the idolatry is indigenous to local people everywhere, it is the focus of cultural teachings.

No, I am not a partisan to Ivri people but like everyone born of God. And specifically you don't understand the traditional songs attached to the worship of the mentioned personalities in my previous post because if you do, you would have realised what's called adornment of jewellery and clothing in Yoruba land, and you would not post your comparison with Greek version that was framed up. Have you not heard of a Greek god man called Atlas that holds the Earth on his shoulder according to their myth? Does this show Greek were more civilize than the ancient Yorubas? A joke it is if you don't know the powers and wisdom bestowed on ancient Yorubas . And is this part of any Yoruba's myth too? The Greek made a lot out of ancient Yorubas cosmology into their history.


Furthermore there are things I mayn't over expose but know it that Yoruba language was the language God spoke with Abraham,Moses and when Eausus(Yeusus) spoke on the cross , which is a ritual language . I don't want you to believe it,but look inward to understand the concept of Yoruba language. Again,do know why Yoruba of old always say ; é mí okunrín metà Ogun....Is this not trinity in its brilliance? But Unfortunately, you have no idea of these things because I never said you should compare what Greek conspired as their own Zeus etc as Yoruba's Aramfe—Sango's Oyo version

In fact, Og(gwg) existed as a man of war in ancient Rephaim land (Canaan land) and with same meaning with Yoruba's Ogun. Coincidentally, once two words have same root and meaning, it is Cognate in linguistic. So, as far as I am concern , it is not about the spoken Greek-Roman-Latin influenced Language spoken in modern day Israel. Do research on it.

brodalokie:
I don't know who is feeding you with strong spirits and stimulation but you are totally missing the point. They are confusing Ham and not Abraham. Ham is the one who founded Egypt and he was dark skinned.
The dreadlocks story is a stumble peep of the life of Samson and it doesn't reflect anything African.
One day I said I was going to fellowship and a local man with tribal mark said you like money too much. In my mind I said, this is about Lucifer's dreams from the Bible he was thinking big and always getting tied down so he could not achieve his goal. Why will this person try to kill me for going to Bible study instead of staying with somebody who is going to be teaching me local culture?
Everything we have is borrowed from the Arabs and Europeans and now Americans

First of all,the spirit inside me is hereditary so know it that it is an inspiration passed down from eledumarw each 1000+ years from one person to another. Perhaps, you will understand what this mean

Secondly, I didn't mixed up the point because you are Afrocentric unlike myself who is human‘centric' through Yoruba's world ; using oral, genetics and ancient Hebrew ‘classical' language

Thirdly, loosen yourself to study the Bible you preach very because there information of Ab in the scripture as his name is translated as ‘father',even if the name is a corrupted through translations that passed from old Greek-Roman language.

Fourthly, arent Ham-Shem related? Study to show yourself approved of the Bible , Sir. It is not confusion but trying to reconstruct Yoruba's worldview. Let me clear it further with this Yoruba saying: Éni à bà lá Bà ní Báa bá ; Àràbá ni Bà Bà Àbá. As you digest this saying, kindly understand the meaning and its relationship with Middle East Arabia

Fifthly if Yoruba is as Afrocentric as you claim, why is whites patronising Ifa priests in South America and every other places in the world?

Sixthly, Yoruba have been clothing mortals before you mentioned Arabs. Infact arabs was never an ethnicity. Infact yorubas have made inpact in world development with their footprints,even in US etc but silent about and allow history to reference them as immortals. Verify this view of mine. And If you don't know, try do research on the following Yoruba tradition of among others:

Osun worshipers

Orisa worshipers

Ogun worshipers


Cheers

brodalokie:
Don't you think the ghost DNA has to do with the mixture with Caucasian fluids? Mind you, the Arabs are also Caucasian but not among the White race. They are grouped with the Asians

I do not think so because Yoruba people are interwoven with nearly all humanoid in the world which make it a duty call for all these researching group to understudy Yoruba because of folklore, Mesopotemia alike rituals,myth of Creation as likened to Hebrew's. Thus dna tested on Yoruba DNA became another tool to verify Yoruba's claim. As at today, it has been clearly confirmed that Yoruba dna has no trace of Pygmies links which are found in Bantu group in Africa.

Does this not surprise you as well ? Despite, Yoruba's link with this people,who are today's neighbour, an even with intermarriages between Yorubas and her neighbours. In fact, a journal on Yoruba is in the archive by Professor David Reich(genetist), who linked Yoruba dna with people of Northern Europe when he did some test of dna trace . So , it is more than Arabs or Caucasians but the world at large.

Truthfully, ILEIFE has a case as regard, the myth of being the ancestor of modern human ,which is same as the man ‘Ab'— Ab-Ra- ham, whose history is written in the Book as the FATHER OF ALL NATIONS(The wise ones can key into this fact).

Furthermore, the Hebrews aren't a white Race people but the ‘chosen modern humanoid' for spirituality purpose , because archeological evidence showed these ancient Hebrews had wooly Hair in the unearthed Sculpture Heads , with one in the below picture, having a Rabbi's cap on his head which had kind of similar touch likened to the ones found in ILEIFE's Art work . One of sculpture head found in ILE IFE also have a cap on his Head.

It is important to emphasis that the pictures of old Hebrew look, who can be called a Rabbi, while the last is Yoruba's sculpture's head found in ILEIFE which curiously is alike . More fact is that some ancient Hebrew sculpture head of men had dreadlocks and hairy Beard which made them ‘ a Non White Race but univeral Race'. As a matter of fact their marriage into Cush/Nubian/Ethiopian/families( Dark skin) clearly showed they have both dark skin link and White skin's lineages. While some gradually metamorphose to lighter skin-closely to white Race due to intermarriage with the Assyrians-Persians.

As information is powerful do we know that the present day Jews have never denied their link with darkskin ancestors but always claim that the lost Black Jews they are looking for aren't savages but a unique dark skin people whose history could be linked to Abraham, Dod(daud)—David, etc

brodalokie:
Those folks were taken from their families to work in plantain and sugarcane farms. They were marrying and given birth to children for cheap labor. Some of them were raped by their white masters or tasks captains and they gave birth to mixed babies for adoption and things. Over time some of them were freed and given lands to settle in or won a lottery into Europe or USA.
Yoruba is a tribunal in the black race

Well, what you posited is a bit true because rape, multiple birth for cultivation purposes . But ancient yoruba believed that multiple birth was a genuine to own more land and cultivation for self and commercial reasons .


Secondly, No sir, Yoruba is not for Africa but the whole world,because they the group, God promised the world ,who were the ones who will be countless like the sand in the four angle of the world.

1. If you think Yoruba represent Africa, why do the Yoruba have 8% ghost DNA and not like other Africans ?

2. Why does the Yoruba word like ‘bo': come , same as ancient Hebrew not part of any group in the whole of Africa?

Well, I do hope you realise that Christianity had been in Africa as far back as 100BC , even in around Sudan axis. This the reason I mock people when I read people chanting Africa as if Africa was strictly for darkskin people in the ancient times.....

brodalokie:
Today's Anglo-Americans are yesterday's Anglo-Saxons. It is the same long chain. I am not denying the policy of independence but I am only telling you that the English were royally crewed many times by neighbouring families who molded them into the hybrid superpower they became overtime, they got educated. This is why Boko Haram is not helpful in Nigeria.

If you say so but English ancestors were the ones that captured Great Britain's land when the Roman's left which was due to decline of her power In fact, when Jutes and Saxon arrived in East and West side respectively. Unfortunately the Jutes and the Roman -Celts fell out after 7 years of staying under the Roman Empire . They fought a battle at Crayford and the Jutes won a decisive victory. The war went on for several more years but the Celts were unable to dislodge the Jutes.

ImperialYoruba:
My people, Olu has proven beyond doubt that Yoruba's roots is in Egypto-Syriac area. This will include Canaan and to Mesopotamia. What else do you all want? Just concur with the evidence. Im reading what these guy has brought here, this is no joke. You all need to stop joking around.


Ok, here is whats going to happen...if you say Yoruba is Niger-Congo or Niger-Volta, then do your own work and present a counter by establishing for other tribes what Olu has convincingly proven to be a tie between Yoruba and Egypto-Hebraic.
Do it if you have some balls.

Olu i didnt know you have gone this far bro. God bless you my dear Prince! May your ancestor Oranmiyan imbue your spirit and open your mind to the well of inspiration and knowledge in the ancient records. Wow! Im impressed sir!

I think i shouldnt open my own chest of treasures to show with proof the Yoruba ties in Mondiana. I think you have done enough to convince all of us. But if you want to open the flood gate let me know. We will blow this place up. People that are not Yoruba sef go just open mouth in awe of the troves of information and knowledge. Dont get me started...let me just cool down right now.


Have i told you guys that "terrace" is originally Yoruba? How about "tambourine", another Yoruba word?

Mmtccheew....look, let me just calm down right now and not show off.


Yoruba, the most Superior race on earth!

Àshé to your prayer unto Élédáà and may Almighty Eledumare grant your heart desire in all ramification.

I really appreciate Sir.



Cheers

ImperialYoruba:
Okay, my dear brothers, where are we now? This thing has gone too long. Did we agree yet?

Olu, give it to them jare. Tell them what they dont know.

As you dey coach on the Egypto-Hebrew side me sef go dey support from the Meccan-Mondiana side.

Let me know when you need my input.

Infact sef before I get distracted, how many people here know that color Blue is an original Yoruba word? Hahahahaha...

How about word as an original Yoruba, anyone knew?

Yoruba, the most Superior race on earth!

I appreciate your believe in the work God of our ancestors send us because it is not a work for Olu alone but everyone of Yoruba ancestry who need unravel the mystery of uncertainty of Yoruba history that had been wrapped in myths.


Cheers

brodalokie:
Black is a race that is lagging behind because of tribal rivalries in the name of playing politics. Yoruba is one of the tribes in the black race. Even their presence in Brazil and other places haven't affected me positively more than the English influence. The Yorubas are just starting, people have been built cities with towers and gardens since the days is Mesopotamia and Persians when the Yorubas were not even wearing agbada yet, if they were even around.

Yoruba is a RACE. If you go visit South America today,what colour complexion do these Yorubas have? Mulattos,Darkskin, pale light people of Yoruba ancestry. So, know it that these same people have dna linked with different groups in the world. In fact, some Yoruba Fa priest in South America are extremely light skin mulattoos. This only proved one thing that the yoruba ancestors had to survived by procreation with Bantoid group and others when they came back to Africa.

Secondly, contrary to a lot of people's opinion the YORUBA WORE APRON.

brodalokie:
The only way to get to who is superior to who is by comparing the amount of knowledge they have reserved. It is only natural that our ancestors or earliest human were more advanced than us because what ever we have today are only made from their patent. The early humans could divide the seas, create flies, locust and other insects just to plague an enemy, they could cause the sun to stop for two days in order to finish a job, they could grow food within 24 hours in a desert event cause it to fall to the ground from the skies, they could build skyscrapers that could be taller than the World trade centre, they knew how to plant flowers and make gardens were they enjoyed their evening, even built some sort of internet that divided and linked all the lands of the world etc.
I can tell you that the earth lands was alotted to their various tribes from central hurb located at the then Babel or Babylon. Life on earth began in the middle east. The mystery of the original dragon that humans blindly worship is held there. Others are only plagiarism or reflections

Sir, they were more spiritually advanced more than us because they know the rules that governs nature. And on the biblical aspects you are claiming is a bit not a natural phenomenon because whatever happened that became documented as Hebrew history had a spiritual touch in it.

brodalokie:
The word Ile-Ife is coined from Life. All races or languages have one and the same source. The English language as we have it today is a combination of many other languages so you can get what you are looking for. Read genesis 6.

No Sir, ILE IFE wasn't coined from Life because it meant ‘Vast Land'.

brodalokie:
The English were displaced by many of the European families for ages. The Danes, the French, sweds etc their language is a mixed-up of many different lingos including some from our continent. That is why it is widely spoken

No Sir, the English were warriors who developed strategy of manoeuvering to victory during war times against their perceived enemies. So it is wasn't about displacement of few Saxons and Jutes but learned language such as Latin, Greek,Spanish,Germanic language by English people that helped shaped their language in the world as a communication tool.

Titlesomonla:
I like they song, please, who sang it and what year was the song released? Thanks

She is late; Christiana(Christy) Essien Igbokwe. An adorable singer she was with her melodious songs.

lawani:
because of language similarities, it is obvious that kemites reached here by trekking in large numbers and mixed with people here thesame wAy German speakers mixed with Celts to form the English people and language

As far as I am concerned,I have no intention to awaken the deaf but those that can scrutinize and understand the revelation. Thus Einar Haugen says,‘ Historically this means that at a certain period in the life of each language , ‘influential men have learned certain languages and have enriched(or in the opinion of some,corrupted ) their language by modelling their expression on that of certain teacher Language in the book( Ecology of Language,1972) . My question is this, if yoruba learned this word,

1. Why is ‘Oorun:sun', is not having the same meaning in the whole of Africa's ethnic group as the same way as Yorubas? Ponder over it.

2.Why is ina/una not found in Fulani, Hausa(Afroasia language), Ibo etc in Subsahara Africa? Ponder over it

Mind you, trekking will be suicidal Sir unless, there were settlements in each transit locations! Although, Parrinder,Leo, Lucas,etc believed so much of the migration through some routes which Professor Dierk Lange proposed. Even among Northern Nigeria,many words and their meaning aren't similar as well as compared to ancient Egyptian; Nubian/Ethiopians/Meroe-kmt but ancient Hebrews—Semitic,such as Oru/or; heat ,both Yoruba and Hebrew-semitic.Another example is eym/e'em/iye; mother, both Yoruba's and Hebrew etc .

The English ancestors history has that they were displaced Saxons and Jutes who journeyed from Germania to Britain when the Romans evacuated it in 450 AD .
So don't mix up the language of English which isn't as you see it because, it evolved through Mediterranean language even further corrupted the ancient Hebrew word known as Ashe( Yoruba-Mashal( reconstructed ancient Hebrew)- Marshal(English) and not some Germanic stock solely. The English lexicon claimed to have 3040% of all words in English to be related word in Spanish.And their origins was in Latin;( Italian,french Spanish) ‘although some are derived from other language families (e.g., Germanic)', noted Patricia F.
Vadasy and J. Ron Nelson, captured this in their book "Vocabulary Instruction for Struggling Students" (Guilford Press, 2012),

lawani:
l don't subscribe to the claim that yorubas are hebrews though but a large number of kenitic Egyptians mixed with our ancestors enough to change our language

I look forward to reading from your understanding of Egyptians elements who mixed up with Yorubas.

lawani:
l don't subscribe to the claim that yorubas are hebrews though but a large number of kenitic Egyptians mixed with our ancestors enough to change our language

But you subscribe to Yoruba being called Kemets or related to Kemet? What an irony!

Do you have knowledge of the group of different people that lived in ancient Kemet-Meroe land at all ?
Who were the people that mixed with Yoruba ancestors that lived in kemet land?

If I may ask you, what name did the Yorubas ancestors bore in that land of kemet?

Do you know in ancient Kmet land,there was a land of Yeb—jeb ?

In fact, do you know the 27 scarabs found in Egypt ?

Perhaps you can ponder over this assertion of this man called Conton, who says, ‘The Yoruba of Nigeria are believed by many modern historians to be descended from a people who were living on the banks of the Nile 2,000 years ago, and who were at the time in close contact with the Egyptians and the Jews'.

Mind you,kindly verify some of following word found in Egypt and their link with Yoruba before comparison of of yoruba language with ancient Hebrews because Hebrews also lived in Egypt. I am sure you know with archeological record that the ancient Hebrew and Egyptians didn't lived together for a Jubilee (50 years), but over four centuries (400+ years) and I am sure ,you will realize they shared certain lexicons.


Egypt: Uraeus (python/
Yoruba:Ere/Uré (Python / Serpent)

Egypt: Horise (a great god)
Yoruba: Orise/orisa(ancestor/ god)

Egypt: Ged (to chant
Yoruba: Igede (a chant)

Egypt: Ta (sell / offer)
Yoruba: Ta (sell/offer)

Egypt: Sueg (a fool)
Yoruba: Suegbe (a fool)

Egypt: On ( living person)
Onen/orni—Éní ( person)

Egypt: Kum (a club)
Yoruba: Kumo( a club)

Egypt: Enru (fear / terrible)
Yoruba: Eru (fear / terrible

Egypt: Kun / qun (brave man)
Yoruba: Akin (title of a brave man)

Egypt:Odonit (festival)
Yoruba: Odon (festival)

Egypt: Ma or mi (to breath)
Yoruba: Mi. (to breathe)

Egypt: dumu (a water god)
Yoruba:Adumu (ancestor god being venerated)

Egypt: Khu (to kill)
Yoruba: Ku (die)

Egypt:Hika (evil)
Yoruba Ika (evil)

Egypt: Unas (lake of fire)
Yoruba: Una/Ina (fire)

Egypt: Tan (complete)
Yoruba: Tan (complete/finish)

Egypt: Beru (force of emotion)
Yoruba: Beru (fear)

Egypt: Bi (to become)
Yoruba: Bi (to give birth, to become)


Egypt: Heqet*Re (frog deity)
Yoruba: Ekere (the frog)

Egypt: Feh (to go away)
Yoruba: Feh (to blow away)

Egypt: Kot (build)
Yoruba: Ko (build)

Egypt: Kot (boat)
Yoruba: Oko (boat)

Egypt: Omi (water)
Yoruba :Omi (water)

In fact, Amon/Amun was the name of the son of Manasseh who was considered one of the wickedest kings in the history of Judah. He ruled in the 7th century BC. This name was derived from the AMUN's land in Nubian-Egypt land after Babylonian attacked that land with her ally which Judah's King Manasseh participated in the war as a vassal state under Babylonia. The name became a reference for remembering exploit in Egypt, which furthered the migration of ancient Hebrew back to Egypt.

Again,on using alphabet's letter for deciphering yoruba as a cognate language of ancient semetics,while using ‘awon'(hook/net for catching fish in Yoruba, is of the same letter with ancient Hebrew's ‘Waw'.


Cheers.

macof:
1. 5000 years ago, kemitic egypt was just starting.
2. hebrew nation is not as old as 5000 years
3. outside the bible(which is not a credible historical source) hebrews are nowhere recorded to have been slaves in Egypt
4. Yoruba language and Egyptian language are totally different....Egyptian is/was a Cushitic language...i dont see the connection between Cushitic languages and Volta-Niger languages.. so please provide this 'proof' since according to you it has already been proven that Yoruba descended from ancient Egyptian...it should be easy, just direct me to the academic work that contains this proof

Look up to science journals to learn what's called fossil human and the world oldest ones accordingly , because the ancient Abraham ancestors were as old as the earth could be remembered. In fact, they have an account, as claimed by some Yorubas as flood era . The A wo of this world(seer). Help me explain the corroletation between Niger Volta's Ibo's Ewu and an ‘o ru ko' is ?

lawani:
it has been proved that modern Yoruba is descended from kenitic Egyptian of 5 thousand years ago. That was the language spoken by the hebrews when they were slaves in Egypt.

Mosttimes , people kept mistaking identity of ancient yorubas as as young as 5000 years ago as from Egypt. Well,a lot of people don't see beyond Kmt or Nubians as if these were the only ethnicities in Africa as at this period, instead of people to realise that these places are kingdom that reigned, where people lived for survivals either locals or foreigners. In fact there is a revelation in Ifa that pinned migration of Yorubas as coming from oorun to aayé. Is this about Heaven and Earth? . Do you know ‘or' is in ancient Iraq and ‘Ai' is also in Israel land? Or/UR means ORU(Yoruba) : HEAT. Wisdom and research solves a lot of myth without proofs.

Furthermore, there is an archeological human fossil that was discovered in Israel which is over 150 years old whichnulled Yoruba's current claim as the ancetors of humanoid as being claimed by Yoruba oral tradition. In fact,the fossil, dated to nearly 200,000 years ago, is almost twice as old as any previous Homo sapiens remains. So NIGERIA IS A PIECE OF LIES IF CLAIMED BY NOVICE AS IT CONCERN FACT ON YORUBA'S ANCESTORS HISTORY. Yoruba ancestors developed their own alphabets using Kemitic knowledge to achieve the outstanding techniques the world ever known. Another interesting thing about Yoruba o that they developed a knowledge of animal names which is baffling because larger set of animal names are clearly descriptive through their knowledge. Example: Akuko(cork)—A-ku(n)-ko(r), O' ru ko(goat) etc.

Fact:
There is no one group originally called Hebrew because
the definitive origin of the term "Hebrew" remains uncertain. Thus,the Biblical term Ivri ( עברי ; Hebrew pronunciation: [ʕivˈri] ), meaning "to traverse" or "to pass over", is usually rendered as Hebrew in English, from the ancient Greek Ἑβραῖος and the Latin Hebraeus. The Biblical word Ivri has the plural form Ivrim , or
Ibrim. So linguists,archeologists,egyptologists, historians rely on every new discovery or discovered pictographs which are translated.

macof:
i have told you before that i do not stand in your way of proving the possibility of middle eastern origin of yoruba

i even opened a thread for you to answer all my over 30 questions https://www.nairaland.com/4735900/unanswered-questions-yorubas-hebrew-heritage
which you just kept repeating the same thing, thereby wasting my already limited time

But one thing is already established - the yoruba language is a volta-niger language having linguistic origins with other volta-niger languages. So if at all yoruba ancestors came from israel, they would have adopted the yoruba language just as Danes adopted French after settling in Normandy.... even though traces of hebrew 'might' be there the language is still Volta-niger not semitic.

Now your job is to provide proof of this migration and hebrew elements in yorubaland, if you cannot then you should shut up

Do I owe your any reason to proof anything to you if you hadn't being an antagonist of what has ridicule Yoruba's ancestors being said to have come from the sky? .....Well ‘Mr. macof, there is no English word that can be in use as ‘shut up' online because you are only reading my information and you can't use such as a vulgar word on me . So, rephrase your vulgar word correctly if you re bittered . Obviously your monicker is a give away for your name, probably ‘makin.....' because you think you are omo akin....

As far as I am concerned, you are one of the problem amongst those of you that HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE of something ,yet claim what you have no knowledge of. Isn't it cowering of you and your likeminds? You even went further in making mockery online of someone else's work by using catastrophe's meaning as an excuse,perhaps it make you happy at people's downfall.

Funny enough, David Reich ( professor) did genetic test on some Yorubas from Nigeria and discovered a DNA link with Nothern Europeans , yet you have no knowledge of this and other things and kept fuming as if you can breathe out fire? Well It seems you have no understanding of it and you bow to the supreme power of Eledaa,who sent others and I....Iranu. Honestly, I am highly disppointed in you with your style of your negative post online


Let me hurt your unstudied butt more with a name which you can't know the meaning forever ,except you know ancient Hebrew's syllables and its root words... . Here is the word: יורבּ.......big assignment

Fact:
In 1905, Flinders Petrie, a renowned Egyptologist and pioneer in modern archeology, discovered inscriptions of previously unknown symbols at Serabit el-Khadim.
Dr. Alan H. Gardiner, Another renowned Egyptologist, studied these inscriptions in detail. He discovered that these Sinaitic inscriptions consisted of a total of thirty-two symbols. And because of the limited number of symbols Dr. Gardiner determined that this was an alphabet.Gardiner was then able to easily identify this Sinaitic alphabet as Semitic because of the pictographic nature of this alphabet. The name of each Hebrew letter is a Hebrew word with meaning. And one of the pictograph of HEAD in ancient Hebrew is ‘Reish/resh',what does it mean to you if R is the letter of the alphabet that clearly identified with ‘ORI'? ........ Go learn if you are serious....

macof:
lmao. funny how the hebrew word for catastrophe is "shoah" (שואה) a clear usage of the "sh" sound.
rather than make ridiculous claims, why not post a semitic linguists report on hebrew language not having the feature you say. Because so far you have no sources

lmao God has nothing to do with linguistics and history. leave religion out of those..its apparent that you are one of those whose brain has been fried by foreign religions.
Another example of the destructive nature of these religions in africa

I can see that you are desperate to proof a point with your interest in countering the truth with your acquisition of Hebrew knowledge. Although, my advise for you is to do research on old Hebrew, for you to feel the ‘HEAT ' on the possibility of Middle East migration of Yorubas.

Google 'PEH' in Hebrew and read what it represent and used for . This word is an old Hebrew word and how it developed over thousands of years...

Enjoy your search.

MetaPhysical:
You take any ancient Hebrew root word and vowelize it, it magically turns into Yoruba...right there in your face. The truth is self-bearing, it does not to be sold to people. We have gone through this exercise here many many many times. People are hardened to what was taught them, and are afraid of opening their conscience to fly beyond the limits of the mind. We must sympathize with them, not force or deny their fears.

If one vowelize Hebrew root word, does not necessarily give you a Yoruba meaning but to vowelize the Yoruba alphabet's makes it more intriguing. Take for instance, there is an ancient Hebrew word called Reish/Resh is represented by a picture of a ‘HEAD'. This head is represented with one of the alphabet which is Hebrew letter “ ר " for "resh", and letter “ R" in English alphabet. Its comparison with its Yoruba's interpretation of letter, ‘R' as Ri— and understanding its evolution to ‘ORI', is beautiful to behold ........

Probz:
Ugbodo’s a bona-fide Igbo name. Nearly shares the same root as Ogwu-Ogun, Egwu and Ekiti/etiti. Whatever Yoruba equivalent exists can be broken down further in Igbo in a simpler form.

Some of you people are quite funny. with this avariciousness.. Anyway, Since you can break Yoruba equivalent words into Ibo's by doing the meedful on these following because these words belllow aren't of Samuel Ajayi Crowther's creation in 1850s that tallied with some Ibo words:

What does Igbo/Ugbo/Ubo of Yoruba mean in Ibo?
‘Bush' in Yoruba

What does Ogun mean in Ibo?
‘Warrior' in Yoruba

What does Oru mean in Ibo?
‘Heat'in Yoruba

What does Bara mean in Ibo?
‘Water melon' in Yoruba

What does kun mean in Ibo?
‘Filled up' in Yoruba

What does Ode mean in Ibo?
‘hunter' in Yoruba

What does odenigbo mean in Ibo?
‘Hunter in the Bush/Bush Hunter' in Yoruba

What does Ikan(okan) mean in Ibo?
‘One' in Yoruba

What does Iwa/Uwa mean in Ibo?
‘Magnificent blameless character'in Yoruba

What does ji mean in Ibo?
‘Wake up' in Yoruba

The above are based on their accents.

rhektor:
I have not even given any interpretation of the name èṣù, anyway thanks for your contributions.
Even your statement that only evil people fear èṣù can not be acceptable. I said this because when I was still a little child I do hear when the elders talk about èṣù má ṣe mí ọmọ ẹlòmíì ni o ṣe. Which means they have that concept about èṣù going about trying them or what do you think sir? That I should learn Yorùbá language first really? I grew up in Lagos but I speak Yorùbá more than I speak English language I don't understand why you want me to learn the language first. Learning the language I first spoke is not something I would want to waste my time doing, it's like asking me to learn the English alphabet again

Quite interesting knowing you speak Yoruba more than English, which assumably mean you have deep knowledge of yoruba language but how then did you not be able to interpret the meaning of what you posted as regard Eshu?

Sir,an inquisitive mind seeks the TRUTH and the TRUTH is that, ‘Light Dwell in Darkness and Darkness don't Dwell in Light' . Eshu can't be a protector of Ibeji nor dwell in light if he is ‘evil or death' in Yoruba tradition. After all,the Yoruba Eshu don't tempt nor ask Eledumare to allow him to punish human beings but protect and saves the good ones.

I know you have read the part of the Bible which says in John 10:34, Jesus tells that Pharisees that it is written in the Law that "you are gods " Psalm 82:6 where it says , "I said you are gods , sons of the Most High. All of you"....Have you sat down to enquiry why Jesus said so to reaffirm the old psalm saying?

So dont blame the veneration of yoruba ancestors (Orisa) because ‘Reish' is head in ancient Hebrew.... The root word's alphabet in ancient Hebrew is (ר) ‘R',with the picture of ‘HEAD OF A MAN'. Plainly, Yoruba are the lost but found ancient Ivri( Hebrew in English); which its meaning is ‘traverse' or pass over —traveller through hills. ‘IRIN'/RIN in Yoruba and I guess you also know the importance of hill to yorubas as likened to God's shield even till today ...


Cheers

Optional09:
For your information, I’ll get you I contacted the son of bitch he commanded for my info then the whole world changed. I am suspecting you’re the one behind this crap or when I get you arrested you’ll provide him

Please,we don't need your kind and others whose miidsets have nothing tangible to add to this forum.

KingSango:
Them White Cubans racist as hell. They been overcharging for Ifa initiation for years and none of it authentic. They made Olodumare into a Trinity because they Roman Catholics who practice Yoruba only as Black magick

White Cubans Racists ? Sir, I am not of the same line of school of thought that you belonged. Kindly deal with your heart's purity first and cleanse it off hatred because many of those mulattos are Yoruba descendants either maternally or paternally. So , I don't care if your head hates ‘whites' Race with disdains. Kindly note that no one born of any colour,white inclusive do I cower under because of inferiority complex but I show respect to all,even if I am under oppression from white. Eledumare allows,the rain on the oppressed and oppressors. Learn what this means

If you have problems as likened with other Color Africans in the United States who have been oppression for ten of decades years or a century and not willing to move on with their lives then ,that's a problem for you lads because even under oppression Yorubas endures and triumph at the end. Learn to use the ‘weapon' (western education) the Whites have given you to redeem yourselves from hatred because it is universal. In as much as you want to emphasis your bitterness toward humanoid of white skin then visit African countries and see,how darkskin oppresses one another.So, my point is that, habit of wickedness isnt about colour but about individual.So kindly dont draw my attention to ‘hatred' because light dwell in darkness but darkness don't dwell in light...Learn what this means

Ifa Corpus is all encompassing but distinct from Catholicism and the concept of Orisaism as being conscripted into old church in Cuba,which has nothing to do with Ifa because knowledge of Yoruba ancestors were hidden from the white who oppressed them earlier ,which was the means,to which ,Orisa is taught within that part of the world inside the church you called Catholic. Funny enough, I am not surprised because your knowledge on Yoruba is faintly ,so you will find many things being strange. Beside, read the Bible and see the tradition, storyline of IFA in it.

1.Who told you Ifa as seen as black magic by white ? Perhaps, this how you from a well established system in the United State thinks about whites who practise Ifa divination? Mr, a white man who decided to understudy Odu Ifa will never call Ifa black magic because there is nothing like black magic in Ifa corpus. In fact the memorising of all Odu Ifa is only achievable by a dibinlely chosen ‘ELITE' who is willing to learn it all.

2.Any man who can interpret ifa corpus and divine what Eledumare inspires the diviner to say to the person who seeks solution to his/her problem, need bless the Ifa priest in cash or kind.Is Ifa priest is a human being but different from regular humanoid because of his calling as a priest.

3. No white man divine Ifa and calls it magic because there is nothing as magic in Ifa corpus. All it has ,deals with past record in time, solution to problems,word of encouragement , one God, Creation myth etc which can also be found in the Old Testament. So white men who divine knows this very well

4.Ifa is in the archive of united Nation on Heritage. So nothing is unusual about IFA because it is the mouthpiece of Eledumare....Édà à yín Îfà ; Ìfà à yín Élédúùmárè( human will praise Ifa; Ifa praises God). As you can see,an INQUISTIVE white man won't delve into what may ridicule him,especially a knowledge from a.modern day dark skin Yoruba.

5. If you feel bittered about the way some people charge fees ,then become an apprentice and understudy IFA for a more than a decade (16-25 years) as it was done in the past and become vast in it .Instead of this complaining to create sentiment online.

Konquest:
^^^^^^
^^^^^^
@Olu317

Very true my brother!

Yoruba culture has international
value. The former Ooni Sijuade visited
Cuba with his entourage including the late Chief
Hope Harriman in 2002, and the Cubans in Old Havana were asking the journalists about Wole
Soyinka and Ife. Professor Soyinka is very
popular in Cuba. Fidel Castro gave the Ooni
a rousing welcome on the second ever visit
of Oba Sijuade to Cuba in 2002.

Ile Ife is well-known to Cubans even though
many of them have not been to Nigeria!

Yeah, it is true about the Cuba connection to Yoruba land. This is oneof the reason I find it hard to agree to the decision of Ooni to make Brazil as the headquarter of Yoruba's traditional sanctuary as it regard diaspora Yorubas.Cuba as a country has been fair to ancient tradition of Yorubas.

Perhaps the major reason for the choice of Brazil is Population and political reason....

All the same, thank you

Swashy4:
UGBODU WAS NEVER FOUNDED BY YORUBAS. THERE WERE IGBOS ALREADY IN UGBODU BEFORE THE WARRIORS FROM AKURE ARRIVED AND CALLED THE IGBOS "OLUKUMI " WHICH MEANS MY FRIEND BECAUSE THEY WERE FRIENDLY AND WELCOMED THEM. THE NAME STUCK AND ALSO THE WARRIORS RULED UGBODU KIMGDOM FOR SOMETIME BEFRE THE OBA SENT PEOPLE AND TOOK OVER AMD THEN THE IGBOS. SO IGBO HAS ALWAYS BEEN PART OF THE FOUNDATION OF UGBODU. AND FOR THE NAME,UGBODU WAS JUST UGBODU WHICH HAS ITS OWN MEANING IN IGBO,OR UGBODU UNO. IT WAS THE YORUBAS THAT CALLED IT UGBODUMILA.

I doubt your claim as being from Ugbodumila. Perhaps, you are an Ibo man impersonating Olukumis. Even your king's spoke man, a Prince of the town ,who bore a Yoruba name attested to Yoruba ancestry. Are you truly for real?

rhektor:
I still find it difficult to accept this your explanation of Èṣù. If the Yorùbá has this in his oríkì "a báni wá ọ̀ràn bá ò rí dá" The one who get you troubles even when you don't know how to /the one who get you into trouble when there's seems to be no trouble. Then we can infer that Yorùbá concept of Èṣù is not of a saviour but and evil doer. I don't know where you got your concept of èṣù as a saviour from but I'm sure it is not right. Nothing depicts Èṣù as a saviour in his oríkì. Laaroye ọkùnrin ogún, belekun sunkún keru o bá elekun, this line shows that èṣù escalates matters not that he reduce it. Secondly, to claim that the Hebrew do not have a concept of evil is just too vague. Did you actually read the Bible and how it depict the Jewish nation? If yes you would have noticed that Satan was mentioned in the old testament and in the new so how come they do not have the concept of what was very obvious in their history? You in fact flawed your logic by writing this "can good exist without evil" you further stated just like Job in the old testament sated that can we receive good without evil? You claim because God permit evil then the idea that the devil is not the doer of evil. How much has the devil paid you to venerate him? Mr olu please review your comment above and present it the way it should be

Hmmmmm, quite interesting reading this from you but Please dont find it difficult to believe because knowledge is golden. Unfortunately, the concept of good and evil from the Hebrew-English translators have flaws because the meaning of the original hebrew concept of evil is ‘adversary' or opponent which is linked to to the evil under the concept of evil in IFA corpus. First, let us look at the beginning of conscription of Esu to the Yoruba Bible by Samuel Ajayi Crowther.

You see, Yoruba's 19th century day christianity were the pioneer of Oyo's imposition of the yoruba dialect which is a farther drift in the language's accent form of yoruba which became more in use till today. This form of Yoruba changed the face of Yoruba language to a large extent. All thanks to Samuel Ajayi Crowther. Looking at the history of Ajayi Crowther.

Samuel Ajayi Crowther's Brief History

Samuel Ajayi Crowther was a boy of 12 years old when he was stolen from Osogun,his village in Iseyin, Oyo by Muslim Fulani during the Fulani/Oyo wars and he was sold with his mother and toddler brother to Portuguese slave buyers. However, the ship was intercepted by British Royal Navy and the slaves were released by taking them to Sierra Leone. This was where the Anglican Church Missionary Society took over the educating of young Ajayi. And he had very little knowledge, if any, of Eshu and his complicated functions. Consequently If Èṣù was the Devil, Ifa would totally have been upturned into evil and Yoruba would not be one of the most enlightened race in Africa today. We would have been submerged in the Devil’s worldview.

Conscription of Èshù into his produced English— Yoruba Dictionary.

Ajayi Crowther was the one who compiled in 1843 the English-Yoruba Dictionary upon which so many others have been patterned till today. The word ‘Bara’ in the dictionary reads out the meaning thus: “god of mischief, the devil, Ifa.” Here it is plain that the devil and Ifa are the same to Samuel Ajayi Crowther.....Sir,is this correct from your knowledge on IFA?

Conscription of Èshù into Yoruba ‘Bibèlí Mímo'

Furthermore, one of his foremost achievements, is that Ajayi Crowther translated the English Bible into Yoruba. This can thus be said to be the first medium through which the Christian Satan/Devil/Lucifer was thus interpreted as the Yoruba ‘Èṣú'.....See how venerated personality changed to detested ‘evil' personality within a century and half? This is where Èsù was changed to ‘devil' by Yoruba Bible scholars.Unfortunately in today's Yoruba worldview, millions of Yoruba(you and I inclusive) have seen Èṣú as the Christian devil with the influence of the translation and the Yoruba Bible,which was conscripted a century and half years ago. The Yoruba foundational dictionary clearly shows that unverified views crept into the translating pen of the translators as a result of their little knowledge of Yoruba spiritual beliefs, which Christianity taught them that it is the Devil’s belief. Perhaps, we all need to remove prejudice and be objective to realise that Èṣú shields man from evil and can also expose man to evil( but he is not evil. Neither is he contesting power with God because only God can take his ordained shield from man. Èṣú does not cast evil, he is merely performing his duties to ensure that no man is unjustly attacked by evil.

Research has shown that there are eight forms of evil in Ifa philosophy, these are: Death, Pestilence, Loss, Paralysis, Trouble, Curse, Bondage and Iniquity. All these eight are under the supervision of Èṣú according to God (Èlèdumare) who placed Èṣú in that role to monitor their activities. These eight are always trying to hinder the progress of man and this is why any sacrifice or rites performed on earth to ward evil must have Èṣú’s sacrificed to since he alone has authority to tell the Eight evil to desist from harming a particular person.

Yoruba People do not worship Lucifer/Satan/adversary/Opposition

It is practically impossible for Yoruba to worship Lucifer/satan that rebelled against (God)through biblical translation because Yoruba people venerate Èshù , in such a way that this Èṣú whom Yoruba adds his name as a prefix to their children's names at birth e.g. Eshuola, Eshu-Biyi, Eshu-Tunde, Eshu-gbayi, isnt the same as Luicfer/satan/ devil . Beside, the Yoruba God (Eledumare or Olorun) has no form. Eledumare is an existence in the transcendence. Something no deity can contest power with. Evil is also formless, that is why the Eight Evil were placed under the authority of Èṣú to protect man. Although Èṣú has to be constantly sacrificed to in Yoruba belief because he is the one between us and the other gods. Èṣú has the power to decree any god not to harm a mortal and can also look away if the offending mortal refuses to perform sacrifice to ward of evil. Èṣú does not cast evil, he is merely performing his duties to ensure that no man is unjustly attacked by evil. The Yoruba's Èṣú is the link between man and heaven. He is a strong god and one who has to be pacified so that he takes his tricks elsewhere, and moreover he does not allow trouble/evil to happen to us Yorubas.

On the part of the oriki you analyse which I don't think 'abani woran bao rida' is a noble character that depicts an angel but an evil genius. But do you know Èsù is subjected to the saying of Eledumare? Well,if you understand this, then you can link it with your quoted part of Èsù's dimunited Oriki. And I am sure you have deep knowledge of the Bible and you know where God clearly say, I kill and make alive ( Deuteronomy 32:39 King James Version) . Do you now call God Lucifer/Satan? I hope ‘NOT'. Even the Yoruba says Èsù leyin ibeji, which is a phrase, they believe that there is a protector between the good and bad that comes to town after the birth of twins,such thus it led to idolizing the twins in the first place perhaps. So, twins veneration is the continuation of Yoruba's ancestor worshiping.

Obviously, Yoruba ancestors believed one's death can be shifted to another time because IFA corpus have an account to this effect; The story is about Ale(night), a child of the death and Ojiyan(arguer), a child of Orunmila. The child of Iku said the moon would appear today as told by his father while the child of Orunmila argued with him that it would be out in nine days’ time. Each of them claimed that was what his father told him and they abused the father of each other. The child of Orunmila said if the moon appeared that day, the child of Iku should tell his father to come and kill him and vice versa. On getting home, the child of Orunmila gave report of what transpired to his father and Orunmila told him he was wrong. The father immediately make divination.

Thus a message came out inform of sacrifice to prevent or delay the appearance of the moon. When Iku heard the story from his child, he was happy because, his child was right. He was out in the night to see the moon so that he could go and kill the child of Orunmila. The ebo made by Orunmila was acceptable and the appearance of the moon was delayed for some days and when it wanted to appear, it did not appear once as usual but bit by bit. Therefore, the death could not kill the child of Orunmila. On this, Ifa says:

Ofun Osa lefun
Ofun sa losun
Ofun sa ni moriwo ope
yee yee yee
A difa fun Ale omo Iku
A bu fun Ojiyan omo Orunmila
Nijo ti won n jiyan
Ebo ni won ni won o se
Ojiyan nikan lo n be leyin to n sebo
Ebo re mo ti da adaju
Ojiyan lo ti mosu o sorun
Oni losu o ba le
Ojiyan lo ti mosu o sorun

Ofun marks it with chalk
Ofun marks it with camwood
Ofun adorns it with palm frond gorgeously
Cast Ifa for Ale, the child of Iku
Cast Ifa for Ojiyan, the child of Orunmila
When they were arguing
They were advised to make ebo
It was only Ojiyan who made the recommended ebo
And his ebo was acceptable
It was Ojiyan who delayed the appearance of the moon
It is today that the moon was supposed to appear
It was Ojiyan who delayed the appearance of the moon.

The same way ancient Hebrew have same information on death postponement.(2 Kings 20 New King James Version )
Hezekiah’s Life extended..... And Isaiah the prophet, the son of Amoz, went to him and said to him, “Thus says the LORD: ‘Set your house in order, for you shall die, and not live.’ ”
Then he turned his face toward the wall, and prayed to the LORD, saying,
“Remember now, O LORD, I pray, how I have walked before You in truth and with a loyal heart, and have done what was good in Your sight.” And Hezekiah wept bitterly.
And it happened, before Isaiah had gone out into the middle court, that the word of the LORD came to him, saying, “Return and tell Hezekiah the leader of My people, ‘Thus says the LORD, the God of David your father: “I have heard your prayer, I have seen your tears; surely I will heal you. On the third day you shall go up to the house of the LORD. And I will add to your days fifteen years. I will deliver you and this city from the hand of the king of Assyria; and I will defend this city for My own sake, and for the sake of My servant David.”

My point here is that I was guilty as you when I was younger,even from childhood of not knowing the true meaning of Èshù concept in Yoruba's cosmology,which is opposite to Christian's devil . And the personality of Yoruba Eshu is not the same as being translated into Yoruba Bible...... Sir, I am no ‘God' and can't be equal to Eledumare because I'm a mortal and only try to post what I have done some verification on before posting them. So I can err on things but Èshù of Yoruba is not LUCIFER OR SATAN found in the Bible that, ‘kills' ; (The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. — John 10:10) because Yoruba Èshù don't kill.