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Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 8:38pm On Sep 27, 2018*

0balufonlll:
I am not an Obalufon descendant. Why is that difficult for you to grasp onetime?

I already posted the link that Obalufon posted many threads ago when I used the Iranje-Idita handle. You have shown inconsistency in your claims to Ife - you have claimed Giesi, you have falsely claimed Ajamaye was an old personage when it was just a recent phenomenon, now you have moved to Lafogido. I expect you to move to Ogbooru soon . We both know your claims to Ife royalty is false, your king doesn’t even come close to the Sarun. .

For anyone interested, here is the thread where this man was making shxt claims: https://www.nairaland.com/706150/yoruba-canaanite-narrated-muhammad-bello/8

I beg of you, please tell us who Luusi’s father was in Lafogido’s house. I am at Ile-Monle with elders in preparations for Olojo, abeg just speak up & embarrass yourself.

What is this one? Giesi is a baby to my ancestor. In fact, we are related but but his ancestor was Ooni Ogboru. So what is your point? But you claimed to be related to Obalufon. Do you want me to post your opinion when I said Obamakin was related to Obalufon? grin

And I won't say that part of my my history because you are the one who claim to know everything about Luusi.

Émí ómó à sèún fún éní mà gbà éjé. grin

.Do you know that part of oranmiyan oriki? Trust me, you are in trouble because you have no respect for Ooni.

Oyà ask the elders. After all, àgbà ní to'ro nló óbà ní to èyín èrín nfón. grin

.

This is a solution so hard for you to find. Mind you, I am a game changer. Believe me you will delete your moniker if I post the oriki of his name and his son in oranmiyan lineage. grin

. I swear ,you are a clown. grin

Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 9:02am On Sep 27, 2018*

Notice
I had thought obalufonlll who said , I WASN'T INTELLIGENT when he quoted, metaPhyical, should come proof that my father, LUUSI was not a Direct descendant of Oranmiyan—Lajamisan and not a reference name in ILEIFE ? angry

obalufonlllI, I wait to see who is the ‘INTELLIGENT ONE' between you And I. grin

Little do you know that Patrilineal lineage is never buyable, so hold to where Élédáà created you to be. Instead of looking for something that wasn't lost, simply because you want to score a cheap point. After all, you are Obalufon descendant. In fact, many are descendant of Obalufon descendants on this platform as you are . So, Keep to it and stop saying what you don't know because I know my ancestors history more than you can ever know..

Less, I forget, obalufon posted a link on Olusi, peruse it to learn part of the info on Luusi,in other to add to what you don't know, even if some of the narrative were not correct. So, enjoy the new additional knowledge to yours.

After this knowledge acquisition, the only advice to you and your kind that limits Yoruba ancestors to South west Nigeria, is,‘ BE OPEN MINDED', when oral evidence didn't in the past or in the present time support your views that remain controversial in today's world, based on finding through linguistic provision.
Mind you, I am inferring on, ‘DOUBLETS'. Word like, ‘or'and ‘órún' are cognates.

So ,I hope you will learn from this to stop being arrogant with the little knowledge God gave you because some of us know what so many of you know but many of you don't know what we know. As you can see, the best part of your history knowledge on Yoruba people is archived and litters the internet. As you can see, ‘He who laugh last laughs best.

Do I have to make mockery or laugh at you? As far as I am concerned,it is not worth it. But know that, ‘Bíbí ìrè ko sè fo'wo rà' l'ójá. Bèéní,‘ ìwà ní óbà àwù'rè'.

Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 8:12am On Sep 27, 2018*

absoluteSuccess:
@the bolded, do you offer any fact with this post or ever have? kindly share the link.

You have isolated the above as your problem, hindering your quest for the knowledge you cherish so much, how were you able to penetrate and uncover the information that forms the base of your knowledge?

If you haven't done anything to absorb what you need over the years in spite of your claim to Isese, you are only a liar, someone pretending to be whom he is not. You have said it, your sentiment is not the same as historical fact.

What have you gotten from the secrecy and mysticism all this while that has historical value? Is it just your "isese religious sentimental fad" (of which nothing valuable from you ever comes into Yoruba history)? If it is just the noise about it, then its useless to your claim.

That's Frankenstein monster. You created a problem that is larger than you. Wisdom is profitable to direct. Anyone who wants to invent what will solve a problem create the solution, not a new problem to further confuse the one on ground. You never research, you are talking about what we "hear of Oduduwa", from which source did we hear of Oduduwa?

Get wisdom to understand Yoruba enigma first before you dabble into things greater than your mental capacity. Who told you Oduduwa created the earth? Tell us the source of your myth, don't feed us with your conclusions, let's make our own conclusions just like you, keep your grandiose delusion somewhere, you are a nobody, no oriki, nor link to any Yoruba town.

Who is this one hypnotizing? You did not have any fact but fusion, and it further confuse your student the the more. Then your ruse expose you as one not capable of teaching what he himself is still learning to understand without answers, but turning himself to an expert with guesswork instead of homework.

Never assume for your student, teach them what you know from established ground, not hypnotic confusion.

Don't reach conclusion in your confusion, do some homework, not guesswork. It might take you ten years, but you will get some firm ground. Its better late than hypnotizing.

This is hypnotizing, how can two divergent views be right? This is everything you know about the Yoruba history and origin, this is your frame and you are stuck here. You are in an ashale, (you can go and find out the meaning as you seems to have suddenly improve on your Yoruba language ever since I said you are using google to interpret Yoruba language) e sise si iko Yoruba yin, meaning, "you made mistake with your Yoruba interpretation".

Your backbone is that you don't know what you are saying, and you are putting us in your own confusion. But an intelligent person can read you and pre-empt the tale you are dying to tell by not telling it, so as not to be pinned down to it, and here is your con-fusion:

This is your perspective, but the clever and subtle you will never openly tell a story, lest anyone quote you and ask for details. You are at a cross with Ugbo/Igbo, but as one who uses double standard often, one older myth can inspire the new. You made your assumptions secret formula by which history unfold itself from the ebbs of time.

Everything you put up there are "cascades of assumptions". An acclaimed Isese/historian that cannot tell a simple, believable story...is that one an historian?

Kalakata lo na, kafabo s'odo adiye.

I could never had imagined, macof would had sent this kind of information online,despite the fact that I have my reservation on his style of aggressive approach to some of us whose views tilt toward the migrants perspective of ancient yorubas. It is real damning on his authoritarian personality on Ìsésé.

Anyway, it seems these set of people chanting Ìsésé online are always using such to stay relevant because, even an average yoruba person knows the meaning of Áàsá ìlé Yoruba. Perhaps,these Isésé town criers aren't knowledgeable enough that they need learn to observe, olùbòbòtíríbó àwo énú ,they won't!

In all their stands, I had expected these ikeminds to stand firm to defend their myth of how Odu'a and Obatala's father became unknown and mysterious, likewise,Obamiri etc but instead, they use negative, insultive term to turn away from defending their school of thought that *Logic*, Oral Arheology, Linguistic, Hieroglyphs, Pictographs are against their own claim but support the ones that had done and still doing the needful to unravel the *Mysterious* Yoruba, who weren't /aren't from THE OUTERSPACE.

Cheers

Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 12:09pm On Sep 25, 2018*

Obalufon:
Mr Olu what do you know about yoruba ancient form of writing

I know there are hieroglyphs in Yoruba land but the ancient form of writing hasn't being seen by me. Perhaps,some people had, although the writing form was termed ,‘Ajami' writing pattern. A form of Arabic-Hausa writing.

Among the rumour, was a claim by Olumide Lucas,Samuel Johnson account etc,that,there is something called, ‘Ìdí'. Even with this claim, Hippopotamus ,eyes symbol ,ram,elephant ,bull-cows, kings crowns, pattern of caps wearing, feathers on caps, birds, frogs, toads, snake etc have meaning in the ancient world, which Yoruba was inclusive. After all, ‘Àroko', and these symbols are heavily enshrined in Yoruba elders society culture.

Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 11:24am On Sep 25, 2018

MayorofLagos:
absolutesuccess, you are above that omo Ibo in every way. Please stay above him and not reply him.

Someone convinced him in his formative years that once he gets a degree he will become the king of internet. So at every opportunity he tries to test how far he can expand his domain. Unfortunately he picked the descendants of imperial warriors to test. We will teach him and re-educate him to the proper orientation of subordination.

Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 8:03am On Sep 25, 2018

MayorofLagos:
Becareful with Acholonu materials. Post the civil war a new awareness, an awakening dawned on the Ibo. What they failed to achieve in political warfare they wanted to erect in literary circle and academia. Yoruba art, culture, theater, rituals and pantheon was widely known to scholars. The only point of reference to Igbo was Achebe, Azikiwe and Biafra, nothing more. In culture old researchers documented them as forest people that practiced cannibalism and human rituals. no nobility, no dynasty or throne or kingdom. No known progenitor, no records of war or conquest. Most people around the world had never heard of a people called Ibo or igbo or Biafra. The war put them out there. So what Achebe and later Acholonu did was to start binding discussions on Igbo with Yoruba as reference. If they talk about Ibo arts they would throw in the Benin and Yoruba arts. if they talk about human sacrifice they will say it was common in the South amongst people like Yoruba and Benin. So the pattern grew to where you could not talk on Ibo arts and not mention Yoruba for comparison. They bonded Ibo to Yoruba...to the point that scholars thought whatever greatness Yoruba had, Ibo must have too. if you doubt me type a keyword into google search asking for Yoruba arts and antiquities. I guarantee you something about Igbo will be mentioned. These propaganda was made possible by many people, Acholonu being one of them.

The red cap igbo wear is Igala in origin. The traditional igbo hat is the knitted winter cap. The shift from the knitted to the red cap was brought about by a political necessity. If you review all pictures of Ibo politicians and leaders going back to the 60s and 50s, they wore the knitted. The way you could tell which Ibo is resident in Yorubaland and which is not is to look on their head to see which cap they wear. Azikiwe, Sir Louis Ojukwu, Okigbo, all wore Yoruba caps and Agbada when in native. The igbo mode of dressing was not acceptable in Lagos, you are seeing as an illiterate villager, an Okoro.

Red cap started when Ekwueme became VP. NPN was largely Hausa, Yoruba and Kanuri and wore their traditional caps. Igbo could not wear the knitted so the red cap as adopted and popularized by Ekeuwme and Chuba Okadigbo. During Obasanjo regime same thing. People like Soludo made it popular. Now you go to a gathering and every Igbo is wearing red cap...in fact they have taken ownership of it from Igala.

We don't like to talk about igbo too much but when it comes to race of superiority we can bring out facts that will expose everything back to its genesis.

Be careful? There is nothing to be careful about because facts abound on Africa and world history. In fact research through science has shown,to a large extent humanoid fossils probable year of existence, which oral account has no proof.

Although there's no iota of doubt that all humanoid evolved from same stock but ten-thousands (10,000s) of years ago, migrations begun and different groups developed their spiritualism. So, the Ibo,Yoruba,Bantu etc history is beyond Catherine Acholonu.

As a matter of fact, Human fossils that have recently been unearthed in Morocco that are 300,000 years old and 100,000 years older than fossils found in Ethiopia and Israel. This discovery is gigantic, as it challenges the very foundations of the human evolution narrative, suggesting that modern humans did not originate 200,000 years ago in East Africa. And considering this information and locations of all the fossils found in Morroco-Ethiopia-Isreal- China , point to one thing, ‘Migration'.

So therefore, Quentin D. Atkinson, a biologist at the University of Auckland in New Zealand, who didn't use words but phonemes — the consonants, vowels and tones to analyse the simplest elements of language.
Dr. Atkinson, an expert at applying mathematical methods to linguistics, has found a simple but striking pattern in some 500 languages spoken throughout the world.Thus, he used the information on Ibo language presently found in West Africa through the information from Catherine Acholonu as part of his research work.

After all, the lexicon that were used in comparison with ancient Egyptian words were all Ibo language . Unfortunately some words that Dr. Catherine, tried to use as cognates with Semitic word were wrongfully interpreted by her because many western scholars-linguists-,who can read the ancient form of writing had interpreted the Sumerian cuneiform,Persian Tablets, the Egyptians Hieroglyphs,Hebrews Pictograph , Babylonians tablets etc to solve the language of the Semitic. Funny enough, there are word list of Yoruba that has cognates with ancient Egyptians as well. Despite this, ancient Semitic words are well rooted in Yoruba unknowingly, and are used daily in the same way the ancient Hebrew spoke their language as being used as a descriptive and contracted form of Yoruba language and her dialects.

*Okoro*, and *àjé'kùtá mà mú'mí* grin

were the older form in the past of identifying Ibos and many other non-Yoruba,especially from South East Nigeria,before, ‘ómó ìbo' coinage.

On a last note, dont ignore any one's work because, there could be an element of truth in it. Read
Review of a paper presented at the Conference on Indigenous Knowledge and the Challenges of the 21 st Century , Institute of African Studies, UNN, Nsukka. It was elicited by a recent article in the world renowned New York Times newspaper published on April, 14 th , 2011, authored by Nicholas Wade under the title: “ Phonetic Clues Hint Language is Africa-Born ”

www.faculty.ucr.edu.

Cheers.

Culture › Re: Names Of Various Animals In Yoruba Language by Olu317(m): 9:41pm On Sep 24, 2018*

1kinggy:
This @Olu317 guy is adamant.

So Hausa is so super rich to had access to Camel before Yorubas grin

?

1.Do you even know the advent of camel at all ?

2.Do you know what camel was used for during Bc ?

3. Do you even know the name ancient Egyptian called it?

4. Do you even know the name Greek called it?

5. Do you know the name Hebrew called it?

6. Do you know the name Arab called it?

7. Do you know the name Roman called it?

Anyway, once you can find the names for camel for the ancient kingdoms, perhaps, you will realise, camel was a ‘vehicle', in the ancient times and wealthy Noble bought them.

Between Yoruba ancestors and Hausa's, whose civilisation was advanced and acknowledged by western world?

Don't bother yourself to proof a point to me but do the research for self knowledge acquisition.

Culture › Re: Names Of Various Animals In Yoruba Language by Olu317(m): 8:44pm On Sep 24, 2018

sammyfrosh:
I think Ekun might be leopard while amotekun might actually be the cheetah.

Not correct.Ékún is Tiger while Àmótékún is Leopard.

Great work on your path.. Kudos.

Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 9:52am On Sep 24, 2018*

redboneSmith, are you what you claimed ? For posterity sake, please be honest in your information always. I don't see the reason for Late Dr. Catherine Acholonu's character defamation by you because she did a research on Ibos language . The late Dr. Catherine is profiled.

Catherine Obianuju Acholonu (26 October 1951 – 18 March 2014) was a Nigerian writer, researcher and former lecturer on African Cultural and Gender Studies. She served as the former Senior Special Adviser (SSA) to President Olusegun Obasanjo on Arts and Culture, and foundation member of the Association of Nigerian Authors (ANA).

Cheers.

Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 8:53am On Sep 24, 2018*

MayorofLagos:
Do you subscribe to that oral history? Give us the full account of this "EAST".

Ancient times ways of war is likened to the modern ISIS pattern of destruction of people's kingdoms and temples. So, proofing this things are in three fold:

1.Oral

2. Ancient form of writing

3. DNA(Genetic )

As we all can see, there are account narrated by the custodians of known deity-ancestors that aren't accurate (as we have been told)

1. There are inconsistencies in some account narrated by the interviewed on Oral history.

Take for instance, in one of the sacred Text page says, ‘
Ógun may have had other attributes. He may have been a Phallic Deity, because there are hewn stones in Ífè, called the staves of Ógun, which appear p. 62 to be of Phallic origin'.

‘Ógun may also have been the Sun-God (or a worshipper of the Sun-God). His festival is commonly called Olójjor (Lord of Day). Oshogun says Ógun was Olójjor; Arába says Olójjor was someone else, the confusion being due to the circumstance that the two festivals take place at the same time. In this connection, the half-and-half colouring of Orányan is suggestive'.

Obviously, from the first quote, Yoruba people seem to have lost part of their history through generational vacuum, because, Og(gwg) also appeared as name in Raphaim archeological account in the Middle East , Og was a title for the Bashanite King is already found in Medieval Rabbinic literature, see Daat Zeqanim [ דעת זקנים ] to Genesis 24:39”.
Chaim Rabin suggested, something similar to the South Semitic ǵwg , meaning ‘man’ or ‘man of valour’. Thus, ‘Og’ is not a personal name but a title of a Canaanite king. It is similar to other titles of the Ugaritic and Canaanite kings which emphasise their manhood par excellence, and thus their strength and military prowess: e.g., ish, amēlu, mt (Del Olmo Lete, ‘Los nombres “divinos”‘, 257-66). Second, the Phoenician tomb inscription . Byblos 13 has a definite article before ‘Og’

The second quote suggest that between Oshogun; the guardian of Ogun deity and Araba, the overall leader of all IFA priests, didn't agree to a conclusion on the different interview that was carried out, which also showed,something is wrong somewhere,with part of the oral history.

Google : www.sacred.texts.com
Sacred-Texts Africa Index Previous

2. Many present crops of Yoruba scholars are yet to catch up with methodologies required to break the jinx of the strength of Yoruba form of writing.This area is the key to the unraveling the ancient past of Yorubas. Photograph, lexicology,hieroglyphs,cuneiform remain the REAL DEAL.

3. Today, Genetics in all form has become the scientific tool that exposes the hidden. Thus, this area hasn't been filled by Yorubas researchers, which add more to unravelling the mystery.

Lastly, as convincingly as the renowned Western researchers kept this intriguing believe of the history of Yorubas from the angle of Hebrew Origin,even with a suggestive map directlon of the possible migration to the present day Yoruba land in Nigeria.

Below is a suggestive migration directions from the Middle East.

Culture › Re: So, Most African Americans Are Of Yoruba Descent ? by Olu317(m): 6:30am On Sep 24, 2018

Moorish:
Not trying to convince you either

Google is close to you

Use it

A way to verify it. Quite logical.

Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 4:49pm On Sep 23, 2018

Obalufon:
thanks brother

Thank you too.
Cheers.

Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 12:38pm On Sep 23, 2018

Obalufon:
Mr bantoid .. we are not bantu..okay .. stick that to your hairy bantu arse

Yoruba aren't Bantoid as the ignorants had thought. Infact, NO IFA and its16 ODUS, NO YORUBA....IFA was and still THE PATH OF YORUBAS..

BANTU don't know anything CALLED IFA because it is not part of their tradition,except a Yoruba migrants of IFA apprenticeship or Bà Àwo find himself in another land for only reason known to Èlèdúùmàrè.

The uniqueness of Yoruba is unequal with these west Africa group because Yoruba are immigrant and conquerors, through their science and spiritual knowledge.

Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 12:07pm On Sep 23, 2018*

Obalufon,

there is a mystical Hill place in Oke Idanre ,where a leg's spot is and this leg's spot can fit into any leg size once anyone put his or her leg on it. Furthermore, there is also an ancient ARK in this place called ARK of Nuah(Ókó Nùwà). Perhaps, you can visit this place, for sight seeing.

Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 10:08am On Sep 23, 2018*

RedboneSmith:
*Sigh* And they keep saying stuff no one here ever said. This is harder than trying to talk to a wall.

Haaa

my friend, don't blame me because your opinion tilted toward such perspective. After all, you condemn my post where I posted some research work which part of the research was released in 2017.

And you once posited that some people opined being related to Bantu was seen as wrong .Let's be honest bro with each other. You categorically claimed only Hausa is Afroasia and unified the rest group into one West Africa's same ancestry. Unfortunately for your statement, Hausa don't have any word closely related to Hebrew's,‘or', word for, ‘sun' as it is same with Yoruba's, ‘orún' for, ‘sun'. So kindly ponder seriously over your view before you post online because it might boomerang .Some of us are vastly read than you. Furthermore, Fon, Ibos, Aka, Guess, Gbe, Wolof, Idu, Hausa, Fulani, Borgu, Gwari, Jukun, Mende, Bantu, Igala(despite Igala shared lexicon with Yoruba do not use such word for sun) etc don't share such very important word in Yoruba lexicon.

Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 9:20am On Sep 23, 2018*

So, redbonesmith you can crack? I had thought you are the pioneer genetist that proofed yoruba aren't afroasiatic grin

but Bantu. Anyway, I leave you to your aboriginal claim that is far from the truth because the history of Yoruba that is beyond West Africa is absolutely true.

Perhaps, you can proof the 8% ghost DNA in other West Africa ethnic groups in the same manner that such 8% ghost DNA were found in Yorubas .

Mind you, yoruba being married to Ibos,Ika, Igodo, If, Fon, Wolof,Fulanis,Arabs,Jukun,Igala,Borgu etc is not at all a recent development so no cause for alarm. As it is seemingly true, Yoruba don't have anything known as hatred against one, but fact is being stated here.

Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 6:59pm On Sep 22, 2018*

RedboneSmith:
LMAO. I happen to be a lecturer, and I grade scores of answer sheets that look like this comment every semester. Students who write the type of thing you've written here always wonder why they fail exams despite being (in their own minds) "very eloquent".

I don't get your point of your claim being a lecturer because whatever you've learned didn't conform with reality. So, how does this solve the information I posted? But I can say there is room for knowledge acquisition. So, Google the journal to learn more about Bantu and pygmies DNA in Africa.

Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 6:03am On Sep 22, 2018*

Mr. RedboneSmith

It seems you don't read through what I posted or you think I framed it from the thin air? Go read, you will refuse. Learn from the open minded who have exclusive information on west Africa multicultural ethnicity but you will still ignore? No wonder you claimed ,‘Songhai ', as an ethnicity.

It is only the ignorant and unstudied will see your post and acknowledge it because no one ever said Bantu has a negative undertone as an ethnicity. But reality and correct historical information is what we,‘ the realist ' and not, ‘the 'idealist' as you and your like mind . I have said it several times, that a simple field interview will help you out on this your claim.

Kindly visit any yoruba enclave and ask for their lineage and see the incoherent statement with the reality. Yoruba Ancestors were never Bantu because Genetic studies did not support it. Funny enough, nearly all West Africa blood sample have been studied to know the probable DNA link groups. Yoruba did not develop from Central Nigeria but if you insist, then it is the right time for you to teach us, where ILEIFE started from, ‘NOK' culture.

Do you know Keloid as a disease had been eternal within Yoruba tradition?Infact, it was seen as the handiwork of the devil. Can this be said in your IBO or Bantu tradition? Do you know the scientific postulation by western researchers about human being evolution from ape kind of phase development to a standard humanoid has a myth-Legend in Yoruba tradition? Plainly, there is a group in West Africa that Yoruba legend claimed, that this people's ancestors developed from ape lineage to become human .Is this not enough for you to see yoruba were advance in science?

Below was a research that was released in 2017 ,so what is your point Mr. ?

Most recently a very fascinating and relevant study came out in 2017. Basing itself on the ancient DNA remains (genome wide) of 16 Africans it stated that:

____________________
“ the spread of farmers from western Africa involved
complete replacement of local hunter-gatherers in some regions “. (Skoglund et al., 2017)
But also that:

“ present-day western Africans harbor ancestry from a basal African lineage that
contributed more to the Mende than it did to the Yoruba “. (Skoglund et al., 2017)

The above statement said even the Mende people that was found to be unique in West Africa had an older basal African ancestry lineage that contributed more to Mended than Yoruba people. Does this look like Yoruba developed from Bantu?

Kindly shun this idea of yours.

Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 9:54am On Sep 21, 2018

Obalufon:
we are not fucking bantoid or bantu ...we are different.. i know bantu people

The Bantu descendants are the ones saying thrash about yoruba ancestors. But thank God, that even Oyinbo said yoruba are not Bantu group or related to them. Kindly help me tell them dear bro.

Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 11:19pm On Sep 20, 2018

Obalufon:
Sorry brother i don't believe the white on this We need the DNA result of Iwo Eleru skull to confirm their claim and more excavation of ile-ife .. ile-ife is the source of all living being . Orisun gbogbo omo adariwurun

Bro, the white don't care about youruba opinion but evidence. There is no proven evidence to support this even if I don't doubt the yorubas claim as the beginning of mankind even if other people claimed it. But where is the evidence of yorubas? Scientific analysis on the skull showed the skull belonged to different and non yoruba ancestors

Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 10:27pm On Sep 20, 2018*

PYGMY

The term " pygmoid" is a traditional morphological racial category for the Central African Pygmies, considered a subgroup of the Negroid category.
The African Pygmies , who were the hunter-gatherers of the Congo basin (comprising the Bambenga,Bambuti and Batwa)etc

Furthermore the term "Asiatic Pygmies" has been used of the Negrito populations of Maritime Southeast Asia and other Australoid peoples of short stature.
The T'rung (Taron) of Myanmar are an exceptional case of a "pygmy" population of East Asian phenotype.

In anthropology, pygmy peoples are ethnic groups whose average height is unusually short. The term pygmyism is used to describe the phenotype of endemic short stature (as opposed to disproportionate dwarfism occurring in isolated cases in a population) for populations in which adult men are on average less than 150 cm (4 ft 11 in) tall . The Pygmies are hunters-gatherers living in small seminomadic bands in the rainforest, and they are generally much shorter than their Bantu neighbors.

COMMON ORIGIN OF PYGMIES AND BANTUS grin

The Bantu people were said to be domicile in Nigeria for thousands of years but as at 5,000 years ago, after acquiring an advanced knowledge of hunter gatherers through the pygmies, they started moving out of the region of Nigeria grin

and Cameroon into eastern, central and southern Africa and fused with Pygmies .

A team from CNRS and the Institut Pasteur, working with researchers in bioinformatics, ethnolinguistics, and epidemiology, suggests that Central African Pygmies and Bantus, two physically very different ethnic groups, branched out from a common ancestral population some 70,000 years ago.

The term “Bantu” applies to all African populations in whose language the word “bantu” means man grin

. In the 1960s, it became a general label for over 400 ethnic groups spread all over sub-Saharan Africa. And Bantus are mainly rural farmers and sedentary herders.

But scientists will not stop at such an obvious difference. A CNRS-Pasteur team studied the difference between Bantu and Pygmy populations by looking at differences in mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) 4 in the two groups. Why mtDNA rather than nuclear DNA? Because mtDNA, unlike nuclear DNA, is transmitted only through the female lineage. Similarities in mtDNA sequences thus imply descent from the same maternal ancestor.

The population sample analyzed was made up of 1500 individuals from 20 Bantu-speaking farmer populations and 9 hunter-gatherer Pygmy populations from Gabon, Cameroon, the Central African Republic, and the Democratic Republic of Congo. Western Africa was chosen because it is one of the few regions where both populations coexist.

The researchers identified an ancestral and autochthonous lineage of mtDNA shared by Pygmies and Bantus, suggesting that both populations were originally one, and that they started to diverge from common ancestors around 70,000 years ago. After a period of isolation, during which current phenotype differences between Pygmies and Bantu farmers accumulated, Pygmy women started marrying male Bantu farmers (but not the opposite).

This trend started around 40,000 years ago, and continued until several thousand years ago. Subsequently, the Pygmy gene pool was not enriched by external gene influxes. The Bantu farmers’ gene pool, on the contrary, was enriched during the so-called “Bantu expansions,” an event corresponding to technological, demographic, and linguistic advances in the late Stone Age.

Most recently a very fascinating and relevant study came out in 2017. Basing itself on the ancient DNA remains (genome wide) of 16 Africans it stated that:
______________
“ the spread of farmers from western Africa involved
complete replacement of local hunter-gatherers in some regions “. (Skoglund et al., 2017)

But also that:

“ present-day western Africans harbor ancestry from a basal African lineage that
contributed more to the Mende than it did to the Yoruba “. (Skoglund et al., 2017

In all these, yoruba do not possess any DNA link with pygmies nor have ancestry that's archaic from basal African Basin .. grin

. And I hope the Bantus descendants know themselves.

Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 7:19pm On Sep 20, 2018

As we have been told through archeology finding on the discovery of The Iwo Eleru burial, which was excavated from the Iwo Eleru rock shelter, south-western Nigeria, in 1965 by Thurstan Shaw and his team.

The skeleton, preserving a calvaria, mandible and some postcranial remains, was found at a depth between 82 and 100 cm from the surface in an undisturbed Later Stone Age (hereafter LSA) context. Radiocarbon analysis of charcoal from the immediate vicinity of the burial resulted in an age estimate of 11,200±200 BP (∼13 ka calibrated).

The skull was reconstructed and studied by Brothwell , who linked it to recent West African populations, though he recognized that its lower vault and frontal profile were unusual, and that the mandible was robust.

The specimen is complete along the entire midline from nasion to beyond opisthocranion. Although it slightly asymmetric it shows no major distortions and the relatively well preserved mandible constrains its basal breadth. A preliminary multivariate analysis of cranial measurements by Peter Andrews,who suggested that the Iwo Eleru specimen was distinct from recent yoruba African groups

As we can see, yoruba ancestors didn't lived in south western Nigeria as claimed by some people 10,000 years ago but migrated to this part of the world less than 4000 years even through archeology finding because there is no archeology finding to support yoruba ancestors existed in this part of Nigeria 4000 years ago.

Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 4:08pm On Sep 20, 2018

absoluteSuccess:
You are the only one posting 'rubbish' on this thread.

You do not have anything worthwhile to offer other than this,

'cause your consciousness dwell more on the words you use.

Do you have any other stupid theory and fantastic-fiction to post?

Bro,ignore these people because they are inconsequential to what's at stake, so stop quoting them because they know nothing than the detail that filled the internet. Once you have any knowledge to share, kindly let's see them.

Cheers

Culture › Re: Origin And Development Of Igala Land (submission By The Igala Association In U.s by Olu317(m): 7:22am On Sep 20, 2018

Hati13:
No one knows exactly why and when Oromo started to be referred galla, but the name galla was known to be first mentioned in a 15th century map of the known world which includes Ethiopia. In the map there are river, forest and ppl in southern Ethiopia referred by the name galla. Majority Oromo lived around southern Ethiopia then and the ppl referred galla in the map were them.

After they started their migration in 16th century to 1974, almost all Ethiopian and European sources referred them as galla.

Oh K. That's quite interesting to know. Do any of Ethiopia ancient Kingdoms have any hieroglyphs or pictographs that's as old as 1000BCE or 135AD ?

Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 7:01am On Sep 20, 2018*

In 2017, information about the multiracial ethnic groups of ILORIN town was revisited. Fortunately, ‘Ilorin. info', covered the event, so that for those who believe that yoruba group is a Race, have a strong point.

‘ History has it that,Ilorin, at a point in time, was peopled almost exclusively by Yorubas,which is not in dispute. However, with the passage of time, the community became culturally multifarious following the influx of a multiplicity of other cultural and sub-cultural groups so much that by the time civil strife occurred between Afonja and Shehu Alimi`s Jama`a about 1807, the combined population of the Jama`a in Gambari, Fulani and Okesuna areas who were mainly non-Yorubas had greatly exceeded that of the Kakanfo`s compatriots who were confined to Idi-ape and its environs, including Dada.
It is incontrovertible, for instance, that at the time of Shehu alimi`s arrival in Ilorin, the area now called Alanamu and Ajikobi wards were sparsely inhabited. The areas were opened up later for settlement by some Yoruba members of the retinue which accompanied Shehu Alimi to Ilorin under the leadership of Usman and Se`eni who afterwards became Balogun Ajikobi and Balogun Alanamu respectively.
It was a massive influx of people of assorted cultural background, after Islamic governance had been firmly established, that conditioned the demographic size, composition and texture of Ilorin. With the resultant ethnic and cultural heterogeneity, Islam became the common denominator and the only unifying factor. It facilitated inter-mingling, socialization and integration among the various peoples.
Consequently, a unique Islamic culture, into which the diverse cultures melted, emerged. However, the infectious Yoruba language became the lingua franca.

The consequent submergence of all other languages into Yoruba gives an illusory impression of monolithic culture by obscuring the cultural pluralism inherent in the Emirate, particularly in Ilorin, where a substantial proportion of the indigenous population is anthropologically non-Yoruba.
For example, the following non-Yoruba families randomly sampled in the seemingly Yoruba-dominated “Oke Imole” no longer bear their original non-Yoruba identities. This illustrates the depth of cultural assimilation that has occurred and gives a deceptive impression of the ethno-cultural complexity of Ilorin.
The core families in Agbaji namely; Ile Saura, Ile Aburo, Ile Baba Sa`are, Ile Agoro and Ile Imam Agbaji were originally Sudanese Arabs from a town called Ar-Baji on the Blue Nile. So also were the ancestral parents of the people of Ile Ara-Agbaji at Masingba, Oke Imole. Ile Hejebu, Ile Singini, Ile Oloko, Ile Oniko, Ile Ada-Ara and Ile Majo are extensions of the core families in Agbaji'.

Those of us who know the truth understand the intricacies of human make up. The same way Latin as a people were suppressed by other people, who were of Greek and Latin origin became part of the Latin group. History has it that the name Latin belongs to the language which was spoken in Latium, which in turn was people by the Latins, which was a minority group in Iron Age Italy (which wasn't called Italy until the start of the Roman Empire in the first century BC). These Latins had come from the east, with a wave of Indo-European settlers who displaced much of the indigenous European peoples, such as the Celts, who were driven north of the Alps.
Despite some inevitable frictions between people groups, the cultural consistency of the Italian peninsula up until (and obviously after) the Roman conquest was remarkable. Rome was originally a small Latin city state, close to the much larger territory of the Etruscans. Rome's rise to power was initially opposed even by its fellow Latin tribes.

The ensuing Latin War was won by Rome, and Rome's subsequent realm of control is a remarkable testament to the power of synchronicity versus that of sheer numbers.
Latin became the lingua franca of millions of non-native speakers, and although it never truly replaced Greek (hence the Greek and not the Latin New Testament), its amazing conquest was not repeated until small bands of displaced Saxons and Jutes journeyed from Germania to Britain when the Romans evacuated it in 450 AD.

Those who don't know and pay no attention to yoruba history should verify the groups who make up Ilorin Town,through the screenshot

Culture › Re: So, Most African Americans Are Of Yoruba Descent ? by Olu317(m): 11:16pm On Sep 19, 2018*

Obalufon:
Moor leave this people ALONE they won't accept the fact ...Ibos are american not Nigeria n laugh!!!

I want to say, the ‘Americas' fits more than the United States even if it's ‘claimed ' that their DNA has 50-75% DNA match with yorubas because United States is a conglomerate of different Dark skin people,whose ancestors are diversed,although it's not yoruba's fault.

Culture › Re: Origin And Development Of Igala Land (submission By The Igala Association In U.s by Olu317(m): 11:05pm On Sep 19, 2018

Hati13:
Galla was the name used to describe Oromo ppl before 1974. Nowadays it isn’t acceptable to refer them by it.

What exactly the history of Oromo connection to the name, ‘Galla'?

Culture › Re: Yorubas Descendants Of Arabians ; A Legend Or The Truth? by Olu317(m): 11:01pm On Sep 19, 2018

Interesting..... grin

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Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 7:31pm On Sep 19, 2018*

So Oral has base in Yoruba's history but Old Testament (Tanakh) isn't a primary source of Hebrew's history ? Kai..... I can't stop laughing! Contrary to some people claiming Oluigbo isn't from ILE IFE, below is a screenshot of an interview Professor Taiye Rufus Akinyele ,granted the pressmen when the crisis was on in 2016.... Antagonists should learn that we're in the jet age, where nothing is hidden.

Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 9:23am On Sep 19, 2018*

Obalufon:
is luusi the same as olusi?.. ..Mr Olu don't be discourage teach please .. Even Oni claim tower of babel. Garden of Eden Noah's ark is in IFE .. much about ile-ife that we don't know

I am not discouraged but I don't want anyone else steal my intellectual property as it regards what God direct me to do to benefit my Race in the committee of Nations . Oh k, YES , they are the same person but the name became contracted over period of time . And I will advise you to read slowly and carefully,so that you can sum it up in other to be able to comprehend easily. Thereafter, you can post what you have summed up. Although like I said, there are information that are incorrect and I won't share it( pardon me Obalufon, because it is intellectual war) .

As regards Ooni claiming Babel, is left for the Eledumare, who is the light of our path, to equip him more with Ogbon,Imo ati Ooyè so that this aspect will be revealed to him with the right mechanism to back such claim up through all the divinely chosen ones.

Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 8:44am On Sep 19, 2018

Obalufon:
http://owamilereehinmabo..com/2010/06/owamilere-ehinmabo-peoples.html

You have been openminded because the ‘light' in you is greater than the darkness. Thus, you stumbled on a that tell the story of Olusi contracted as Luusi. Although I have read the site’s account but there are slight misinformation about his biological father.

Pardon me, I wont share anything else about Luusi because of disrespect for me and my ancestor.

Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 2:15pm On Sep 18, 2018*

0balufonlll:
Your entire response is very comical. I understand you were ruffled by my previous response and you were desperately in need of an escape route.

1. No, it is not. Go to any university around you, visit the History department and ask students or lecturers there. You keep speaking of disciplines you have no inkling of knowledge about and further display your ignorance.

2. Lol now you know cognates require etymology. Didn’t you say differently in your previous post? Looool.

3. Luusi that doesn’t even come close to Maye, Sigbunsin, Lukosi, Luugba.. If the king of your town visits Ife he will sit on the floor in the front of Lowa not to mention the Isoro kings, Obalufe or the almighty Ooni. So there is nothing privilege-ish about your background. You are the one who is privilege to engage people here who are knowledgeable in their fields. Messrs Olaochi, Redbone, Macof have added to your knowledge and you’ll certainly review your concoctions from what they have given added to you. You should be thankful to them.

4. Olugbo is not related to Obamakin. You don’t know this & I do not blame you. I gave & continue to give you accounts as an insider & indigene of Ile-Ife. It is a primary source & you should cherish it. You have either confused me with Mr. Obalufon who is from Ilara, Ile-Ife or you tried to dishonestly obfuscate things. At no time have I claimed Obalufon lineage - I admire the man for his legacies and that is where it stops.

5. Desperate? You are the one who switched from focusing on language to looking for Mediterranean worship in Yorubaland - this is desperation in full gear to me. And it is even worse that you are a Christian trying to speak on Yoruba religion - this seems like an attempt at an escape route to me.. I have never hidden my awo backgrounds since my days on Nairaland and when I find an ogberi talking glib like you have, I call them out.

In conclusion, you have faithfully displayed the same goal-shifting character when faced with proper questions. You obviously do not have an academic grip of things you are dabbling into. You are in pursuit of a fantasy.

It is funny though that the propehcy in the Bible is the background to your study. No disrespect but didn’t you tell your friend Absolute you were married with kids? How is a family man so entagledwith fantasy this much? I am confused.

1.Obviously you are confused and bitter .... grin

. Hencefoth,I will not quote you again because you don't know more than Professor Biobaku grin

. And our able professor's work is relatively relevant.But, what do you intend to be known for to stay relevant in your field? grin

If you stay relevant ,you will see my work and I hope you will be able to face me because I don't lie nor hide
grin

2.Honestly, you make me laugh. So you don't know Oluigbo is of Obamakin's linked family grin

? And you know IFE history . Obviously you dont know the history of Hebrew became relevant through their oral account before documented grin

. Which part of history did you study are specialised? Africa's or Middle East? But trust me,I don't need your response but keep it locked in your heart.

3. I wont be provoked because you re ignorant of some part of IFE history. I insist I won't engage you anymore on my ancestors. But know it,you rediculed yourself and you have erred.

Cheers

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