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Culture › Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Olu317(m): 8:41pm On Jun 03, 2018*

davidnazee:
If the Portuguese got to Lagos before Benin but yet when they got to Benin they documented Benin was ruling everywhere, from Niger to Lagos.. so probably it’s the Aworis you say they Portuguese met that told them Benin was the lord.
Your brain must be scratching you.

Yes,Portuguese got to Lagos around 1470s and they met Aworis grin

. And Portuguese got to Edo around 1485 . Stop feeling sorry for yourself. Bloody set of Edo liars.

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Culture › Re: Origin Of The Name Yoruba by Olu317(m): 7:51pm On Jun 03, 2018*

lawani:
The name was given by Songhai Muslims, it is thesame way Arab Muslims coined Europa to identify Europe. Europa and Yoruba are thesame word

Yoruba couldn't have been given by Songhai People or Songhai Muslim ,because, nobody could call you a name except such came from you as a descriptive form of introduction of oneself, one's people or one's prince with a crown. For example Bini had such knowledge of Oba through Oranmiyan . The point here is that people can't call one a name except it first came through one before it can become popularised. Ibn Battûta had recorded a traveling account of IFE in 1325–1354, but with no knowledge of Yoruba as a name for the migrants of IFE that built Katunga but referred to them as Youfi(IFE). The account was in 1958( page 40, 9-10) . And again these Muslims from songhai don't speak Yoruba,how would they call them such name ? There is no way the word could emanate from Muslims from Songhai or Mahli. The etymology of O Y o U O ba couldn't have came from Songhai Empire or Mahli's

Culture › Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Olu317(m): 5:16pm On Jun 03, 2018

Obalufon:
aramfe is the god of thunder ...sango is AKA god of thunder He was declared to be god of thunder due to his knowledge of electrical force and conjuring of Thunder and fire ..to me he was more a scientist rather than a mystical being he made fire explosive from kolaanuts which is practicable " Sango the irumole descended from heaven like the other irumoles they are the force governing the earth ..ogun the god of iron the first god ""irumole "that paved way for or "irumole" forces to the world is at the core of the earth ..core of the earth is made up of iron..

Yeah, I know that , sango was made god of thunder because of the way, he used fire and thunder to persecute war but not the sango that is known as Irunmole. This was what I am trying to tell that guy called Kingsango that assumed that Sango as king was the same sango as Irunmole. And that everything about Alaafin is the beginning and end of yorubas

Cheers

Culture › Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Olu317(m): 12:17pm On Jun 03, 2018

samuk:
If Yoruba people actually believe your writeup above, why are you strenuously trying to denigrate the globally acclaimed and acknowledged exploits of the Benin Kingdom? Why not join others and celebrate it as one of yours and there should really be no need for what looks like jealousy on your part, your reaction should have just been okay whatever we are all the same people anyway so no beef, but no you are trying so much to belittle the same people you claimed to have given birth to. If really Yoruba gave birth to Benin civilisation, why begrudge her, it's every parents wish for their children to achieve greater heights than them. The only reason you refused to acknowledge Benin greatness is because you know there was no way a conservative Benin who does not even honour a no native with a chieftaincy title will then willingly invite a Prince they have no connection whatsoever with to come and become their king. What you guys should concentrate your research on is what was the nature of the connection between early Ife and Igodomigodo. It's also obvious that all entities that made up the Yoruba nation today were once in the past viewed as different people, otherwise there wouldn't have been so much war between them. You never hear or read that Benin attacked Ife and Oyo and the itsekiris and the Uhrobos because these people where all seen has people that shared same heritage with Benin from the days of Igodomigodo. Why where there so much war between the so called Yoruba people in the past and why was there so much wars Benin and eastern Yoruba and the establishment of the Lagos monarchy? And no Benin invasion of Oyo or Ife. If truth be told the earliest the word Yoruba enter the global lexicon was in the 1800s thanks to Bishop Ajayi Crowder who is the father of modern Yoruba, in contrast the name Benin has been in global lexicon and European writeups as early as the 1400s.

It was Edo revisionism that made it messy . It became imperative not to ignore the lies being peddled everywhere online and almost turning to seemingly acceptable by readers, who don't have knowledge of Bini and Yoruba linked history. The truth is that ,Yoruba wouldn't have had anything to do with Igodomigodo, if it wasn't the Uzamas, that went to ILE IFE to ask for help ,so that Udo, won't be ungovernable. Udo,account did mentioned that the last administrator,who was linked to Ogiamein, wanted his son to take over the ruling of Udo but the groups that formed Edo refused,which was the reason, the Uzamas seek help from ILE IFE. This happened after, Owodo had died and Ekerlehadan chased to Ughotan,simply because, the kingly pattern in Edo wasn't based on dynasty at first but Owodo ancestor had about five–eight lineage that ruled before Ekerheladan was banished(Dmitri Bondarenko, Connah et al ) and thereafter ,help was seek from a dynasty that was organized under a king that had Kings kings under him. Secondly, Oranmiyan's father wasn't on the throne ,when Uzamas visited ILE IFE to ask for help,which simply mean the people that fabled a story of seeing Ooni Olofin( Odua) ,was a big fat lie. Thirdly, The ritual for a king to ascend to the throne as a King are different and some words spoken were different from Yoruba dynasty. This simply showed, Yoruba are different from Udo people. Researches have been done by Jacob U. Egharevba,Ryder, Roese, Dmitri Bondarenko,connah,Ryder,shaw etc ,so need to do any more research again as regard, where the Oba Bini came from.Even, the issue of warring amongst Yorubas was always based on princes,who decided most time to set up a kingdom of his based on population. Again, some set up states that was helped to attain self glory who decides to back down on agreement also do lead to fracas,land do lead to fracas,amongst Yorubas. If you are conversant with Yoruba history, no group of IFE wearing princes that set up a kingdom that Oyo attacked, but instead,make them an ally. Kwarafas were the people Oyo fought for many years. And when Dahomey had problem with Asanté , Ketou/Ketu was the Yoruba group that was the link that made Yoruba Oyo to fight Asanté and defeated them in war. And Ibadan was the only reason Yoruba went to civil war because she tried to destroy, what had been built by Yoruba ancestors to sustain themselves. And I have stated here isn't native to Yoruba alone,because every ethnic group has such. Lastly, You are wrong because, travellers from Mahli Empire, mentioned ILE IFE in his account in 13th century. The reason , many people don't know this is because, Nigeria is an anglophone ,while most of these people who had mentioned Yoruba are in modern day francophone people.

Culture › Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Olu317(m): 11:29am On Jun 03, 2018

DateMynd44:
I'm a student of the University of Benin and majority of my colleagues are Akoko Edos and bear Yoruba names like Idowu, Akintola etc even their dressings are Yoruba costumes and sees themselves as Yoruboids

It is good to know that some students,especially in the higher institution, in Edo state are mingling with some Akoko Edos whose thought and beliefs is hung on Yoruboid migratory history as well as shared names . Thanks for your information.

Culture › Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Olu317(m): 9:16pm On Jun 02, 2018

davidnazee:
If really you are son of Oranmiyan then you are descendant of the Edo race... and you are lost.

If I am his descendant,does it mean,am the only one?So,you are interested in your nonsense Edo history without fact. My ancestor's tradition is different from your bloody bush villages,that is based on Edionwere.....Trash

Culture › Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Olu317(m): 7:46pm On Jun 02, 2018

KingSango:
Son of Oranmiyan, what's your issue today?

How am I distorting your history?

Was not Sango created after the death of the Alaafin?

Is not Sango called the Baba of twins? Did not Sango end twin sacrifice?

Tell me I am wrong about these facts?

I don't have issue but you make reference to some information that's not correct. Do you know that Shango as King mistakenly use fire to kill all his children at his palace when he was angry ? ...If you want to know about orisa Ibeji,it is better ,you consult IFA priest or those knowledgeable about twin birth and their way of life.
I don't have problem with you being twin but consult widely to know more about Yoruba history. May God continue to guide you and your twin sister or brother.....Asé

Culture › Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Olu317(m): 7:17pm On Jun 02, 2018

KingSango:
I am a follower of Sango yet even more I am a twin and Sango is father of twins. Sango isn't just a legend for me, Sango is my guardian orisha that rules my head. That doesn't mean anything in Nigeria as Ifa is interpreted differently outside of Nigeria. Yorubas taken into the slave trade had to call upon the Orishas with all their might. Constantly taking abuse and constantly calling upon the Orishas for assistance. We worship with sincerity. Maybe being in Yorubaland has spoiled many Yorubas. Don't know how many Yorubas I know who who live in the U.S but are ashamed of Ifa? Lots of them. They are Christians and call the old ways backwards. There are some Yorubas Babaloawos though who are very serious, those are the ones we have had for teachers. Very serious about Ifa worship. Sango is a god not just a king. I stand upon that. Oya is the secret power of Sango not many in Ifa know that. Sango is the Sun and Oya is the moon. Sango is fire and Oya is ice. The moon gave birth to the Sun. There is no Sango without Oya.

Ase

Love Sango

shut the Bleep up. I am a patrilineal descendant of Oranmiyan. And a proud Father of a twin. I am an Orisa . Ifa testified to it.....Stop distorting my history.

Culture › Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Olu317(m): 6:55pm On Jun 02, 2018

steveosaz:
Read this!

Then this...

So much for people who want to rewrite the history of others, yet haven't been able to streamline Thiers. Charity they say begins at home.

Do I need to quote you? Of course not but to inform that Kingsango isn't a Yoruba man...But a lover of a Yoruba legend.....And how does it even concern you? If you are proud of your ancestor, defend yourself as I am.....

Culture › Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Olu317(m): 6:53pm On Jun 02, 2018

steveosaz:
Read this!

Then this...

So much for people who want to rewrite the history of others, yet haven't been able to streamline Thiers. Charity they say begins at home.

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Culture › Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Olu317(m): 5:52pm On Jun 02, 2018

KingSango:
I'm not funny at all. I can be yet its not my forte.

Sango is the God of fire.

There are 3 Sangos in Ifa.

Sango the Alaafin of Oyo

Sango the High Priest of Kuso.

And Sango the Orisha of mana mana.

Perhaps when you were studying Sango in Ife you mixed him with Jakuta, Jakuta the god of thunder. Sango the God of Fire!

Ase

Love Sango

I insist, you are funny because, so many things can't be understood by you....Once again, I salute,your decision to believe in Shango. But I didn't study Shango as a diety nor will I do. Enjoy yourself and your study. I ,only know shango as a descendant of Oranmiyan.... Shango is many things to you and others like you but to some of us,he was a king,with mystic power, which he mastered some of it outside his father's ethnicity but through his maternal familly. His life's account is the same everywhere in Yoruba land ...

Cheers

Culture › Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Olu317(m): 12:15am On Jun 02, 2018*

KingSango:
Don't get caught up in philosophy and religion, no one cares about that stuff when the state of Nigeria is suffering or at a low. The Yorubas in Ibadan are responsible for the independence of Nigeria. Also Yorubas in Ibaban, which is Oyo state, the trend setters for Nigeria, are pushing restructuring of Nigeria to bring more money to local infrastructure development. Those youths in Ife and the otherside that side with the Ooni and Oduduwa nation must support them. I've spoken with some elders about the situation of Oyo/Ife departing Nigeria and becoming its own nation, they say, slow down, things take time. Restructuring Nigeria is the best way to go towards preparing Yorubas, along with other ethnic groups, separate states like Oduduwa Nation. This may not happen in your or my lifetime. Do you realize that? Its high costs to have everything at once. Its best to support structure that is steady going not a racing train wreck. Simply good advice, support your brothers and sisters in Oyo. A Pan Yoruba Socio-cultural group, the Yoruba KO’YA Movement

Ase

Love Sango

Funny lad you are.So you Yoruba K'OYA? Anyway, kudos for your interest in all these. And like Babaramata1980 had informed you, each Yoruba person you find on here definitely showcase individualism with creativity,when such person inform and does not necessarily mean absurd bitterness but to set the record straight,for people who might stumble on any of these thread in the future. This is the reason we all strive to inform via research and oral information passed down. Even you as a person, kept blundering because you do not know much but hung your appraisal only on Oyo . What you know and acknowledged as power of Shango, which is thunder had existed before Shango lived . In fact, before Oranmiyan was even born , Àra-mfe (IFE's thunder's orisa / god) had being in existence, so you need read more and learn more ,because this is absolutely incoherent with the truth. To buttress more on it, there are Yorubas that can trap Shango's most potent( thunder) power without it hurting anyone . Outside, this, Shango is not worshipped in all yoruba enclave because,he was acknowledged as a descendant of Oranmiyan , a king in Oyo, for his charms( Herbology) prowess and developing the Oyo's military might . Lastly ,there are many groups that have been championing Yoruba course for a long time and result will definitely creep up soon. And cohesion will definitely take place at the right time.

Culture › Re: Chadic Group Of Languages. by Olu317(m): 11:45pm On Jun 01, 2018

YourNemesis:
Alright.
Yes there are many Nigeriens in Benin. Burkinabe too. Majority of Baribas are actually in Benin, the part in Nigeria seems to be the minor portion.

Yeah, so it seems but they also spill over to Niger state, Nigeria.

Culture › Re: Chadic Group Of Languages. by Olu317(m): 11:41pm On Jun 01, 2018

Winters22:

Please I am a She/Her

Pardon my error. I had thought you were a ‘he', until now. But do some of us who engage mostly male folks on NL, a favour by acknowledging your gender status, so that my/some else's mistake in this regard,won't occur next time.

Cheers

Culture › Re: Chadic Group Of Languages. by Olu317(m): 6:21pm On Jun 01, 2018

YourNemesis:
He said CHADIC people, Borgu bawo?

My bad, because I thought he deviated slightly when he asked about different people,who settled down as citizens in Bénin Republic, which was the reason I told him about Borgu people,which is true, because, some of them were grouped alongside citizens of Bénin. One can see them through link from Kwara axis bordering Bénin.. Although, they are aren't Chadic but are Niger–Congo grouped. If he meant, other Chadic language speakers, I have no knowledge of such ,except more research are done,which was the reason ,I advised him to visit the place and the site I gave him. Even Nigèr citizens settled down in Bénin Republic, due to Francophone affinity. This is a country I had visited and lived at one time. The ethnologue of Bénin ,will help him a little.

Culture › Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Olu317(m): 12:37pm On Jun 01, 2018*

KingSango:
Oyo surrounds Ile Ife and the grandfather of Oba Adeyemi III, built the palace there before there was none.

Good that you know that Oba Adeyemi ancestor built ILE IFE . But little do you know that the same Oranmiyan gave birth to Lajamisan, who was his his first son that became Ooni as his father,who reigned as Ooni Oranmiyan. So, when I infer, take note and be cautious of what you type because many people are pure lineage of Oranmiyan through IFE woman that gave birth to Lajamisan, and Adeyemi's maternal mother was Nupe grin

. and Bini was Edo woman .Although this doesnt change the fact Alaafin,who also was oranmiyan descendant, gave Yoruba greatness, and Empire. Kudos for to his seat of power . However, If you read Ajayi crowther's account does not mean you know Yoruba history but on a lost journey grin

..... I respect people and you because of your knack for yoruba history, but don't inform on what you have no knowledge on . Learn from people here and get equipped. Period

Culture › Re: Chadic Group Of Languages. by Olu317(m): 12:24pm On Jun 01, 2018

Winters22:
Any other settlement other than Hausa?

Borgu people too also have settlement in that part f Bénin. Google Bénin ethnologue. com . You will get some help

Culture › Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Olu317(m): 11:53pm On May 31, 2018

KingSango:
I'm not fighting.

Sango is the King of Kings and that's it.

Culture › Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Olu317(m): 11:18pm On May 31, 2018*

KingSango:
Am I wrong about the Alaafin being an emperor and Oyo being an Empire?

No, no, no, I'm not wrong.

Who signed the protectorate with the British as the King of all Yorubas? The Ooni or the Alaafin?

Yoruba means subject of the Oba of Oyo, that's how the British saw them.

Stop dabbling into what you have no knowledge on. I don't have any problem with you if you love and adore sango or Alaafin but putting the record straight is what this historical account is all about. Alaafin was powerful militarily but not the dreaded king, whose face wasn't seen. On the people, who signed the treaty after the kiriji war were many kings and not only Alaafin. In fact , a radical town of Ibadan,without a beaded crown was a major player during the war that led to sneaky treaty that was signed . Apart from the kings I mentioned,so also were Awujale,Alaake,Ooni,Owa Obokun etc.
Below was a copper alloy of Ooni IFE,that was found to have existed around 14th century which dug out of Bini palace around 20th century with a veil on his face . Perhaps,you will understand the difference between physical might and spiritual might. You can also Google to check the most powerful Yoruba king,whose command stretches beyond the shore of Nigeria.

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Culture › Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Olu317(m): 10:41pm On May 31, 2018

KingSango:

Here you go again with this Ooni story. This is came about in modern times because Ife is Christian and Oyo is Muslim.

Ife is a holy city and Oyo is an Empire.

We need an empire in these end times to protect our people. Building empires has nothing to do with anything sentimental.

Ase

Love Sango

No No No No.........You are wrong dear. Ooni was the King in the hinterland whose face was not seen but covered with crown's bead or a form veil. Ooni waz seen as God-man King. In fact, he was the only King all Yoruba kings respect overwhelmingly. This is not because of kingdom strength but the seat of Oduduwa,whose throne is occupied by Oranmiyan descendants. Historically, Ooni was the only king that all kings left their seat to acknowledged him ,when he clarify, a town under Ijebu in Ikorodu that tried to claim that her kings wears beaded crown which Ooni declared as false.

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Culture › Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Olu317(m): 10:30pm On May 31, 2018

Obalufon:
you people are die heart morons .. you won't yield osemawe edo ..everything na do do doh!!!!! ..go do!!! your elders

go do!!!

Culture › Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Olu317(m): 10:18pm On May 31, 2018

KingSango:
How come people debate the Alaafin's supremacy over all the kings in West Africa at one point? Don't they realize that African kings had traditional ruler's councils even in those days? And that the Alaafin of Oyo was always the head of the council? Ancient Afrika was not disorganized, this wasn't to the expense of the Oba of Benin, there was simply an unity that ancestral kings had which deteriorated to the state of slavery and colonialism. Even the Emir of Kano was and is an ally king to the Alaafin. The Alaafin wore the mask, his name is, Ayi Awo Kabeyasi Sango, which means don't stare into the face of King Sango. The Alaafin, god on Earth, second in command to the Gods.

Ase

Love Sango

It wasn't Alaafin but Ooni

Culture › Re: Chadic Group Of Languages. by Olu317(m): 2:22pm On May 31, 2018

Winters22:
I meant Benin Republic

If it Bènin ,then ,there are Hausa settlement in that country.

Culture › Re: Where Is Oduduwa Really From? by Olu317(m): 2:16pm On May 31, 2018

DaHfiD:
why don't you add glory to it¿

Love your intrigue and stylishness. Bless you Èledumare

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Culture › Re: Where Is Oduduwa Really From? by Olu317(m): 2:10pm On May 31, 2018

DaHfiD:
why don't you add glory to it¿

No big deal in doing such but simply creativity at work . All you need do is to press the question mark for few more seconds and it changes = ¿

Culture › Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Olu317(m): 11:07am On May 31, 2018*

davidnazee:
Thank you very much for the picture now I like u a little even though u are still a mugu.
Didn’t you read the BBC narrative under the picture? It says over a thousand years ago Edo people built a Kingdom!!
Edo was first, Edo saw the birth and death of weak Oyo, conquered and ruled Yorubas when yorubas migrated from wherever to West Africa..
History had judged Edo to be greater than Yoruba.

Yoruba were not the one that told the western world that Oranmiyan was a stranger but your historical account said so through UZAMAS' invitation from ILE IFE,when your small combined villages became chaotic grin

. Are the Yorubas the reason Oranmiyan gave you a ‘CAUSED' name and got stuck to your head and you all dance and dine to such name? You're all classical clowns, despite the fact you know the meaning. If you don't know the meaning, ask the UZAMAS and they will tell you it means “ vexation " . No wonder When Oranmiyan came he could not live with your people at first because your 30+ groups who were unorganized. And he destroyed the edionwere system , who were representative of each clan, inform of leaders or elders from each clan .Am sure you know that among this Edionwere ,a Paramount leader is appointed as Igodo. This group were no more recognized because of a failed system of Igodoship that could not control stiff neck people of Igodomogodo because, it was not hereditary nor of a well arranged dynasty but selective based on the strongest of any of the clan's head. With this, how can your defeated Udo be great? Even the town of Udo ,which was home of Igodos was abandoned by Oranmiyan, while his descendants went ahead to establish the vexed land,which was after Oranmiyan left back to his home in yoruba land after he established a more civilized Obaship system. Isn't it a shame that a stranger ruled your villages nd fused them together even with their heterogeneous groups ? cheesy

Your delusion was even at peak,when you called my father's reign in Bini as the continuation of Ogiso rulership,Just imagine,these bush people? grin

. You all wil die of ignorance if you refused to see the difference between a Yoruba man ,who was referred to as Oba,who rode on a horse who wore beaded crown, Aso Okè, beads on his hands, Ifa priest, servants that followed him the man he was and will be a Yoruba man to Igodomigodo as a Yoruba man and nonentity Ekeherladan that died at Ughotan,whose descendants are still there forever.....
I am proud of my father for establishing Bini .......He will continue to rest in peace by the grace of Eledumare.... grin