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Hati13:
Niger-Congo is a super family language so there are a lot of diversity within it. But the languages within it are more related to each other than with other languages. So the word for a specific term can be different.

There might be mistake by linguistic within Niger-Congo but it seems very improbable between other super families, meaning there can be a mistake made in the classification of Yoruba with Niger-Congo sub branches but there is no mistake in placing Yoruba under the broader Niger-Congo.

You see , Niger-congo isnt related language but descriptive of the location, where people lived and identifying such peoples language affinity,as far as I am concerned. Although I don't have problem if there is genuineness in the part of the people/linguists that grouped the Language. But this is not so, because a language such as Igbo–Bantoid was written in Nsibidi ,while Yoruba was written in Ajami in the past,which was Arabic related form of writing. How do the linguists now classify them together if not laziness and bias grouping? The words that I had posted which were Semitic don't exist in these other groups that Yoruba was grouped with. How then, are Yoruba related to these people if not biasness? According to Kay Williamson scale, Igala that is a yoruboid is only a related dialect to Yoruba's but didn't pass as a Yoruba language because, it doesn't have 70% lexicons in her dialect, which must be attained before it can be called same language. Despite this, I don't have big problem with Igala's dialect because indeed ancient Yorubas intermarried with different set of people, which necessitated the partial related spoken language. Now, if Yoruba language is properly classified,it ought to fall into Afro-Asia/Semitic language ,because daily spoken words in ancient Egypt was said to be 50% percentage in Yoruba's lexicon. And the Edekiri languages that yoruba has been grouped properly are spoken in a band across Togo, Benin and Nigeria. The group includes:
the Ede dialect cluster , including Ife ;
Itsekiri (Nigeria, up to 1 million speakers); and
the Yoruba languages Ulukwumi , Mokole , and other yoruba dialects.
And if there is need to for Yoruba to be grouped , while not let be grouped alongside with her related speakers, instead of confusion, all over the place.

References
Hammarström, Harald; Forkel, Robert; Haspelmath, Martin, eds. (2017). "Edekiri"
Jena, Germany: Max Planck Institute for the Science of Human History.

Moneywomen17:
point out where moneywomen said Eredo is the largest man made structure and where olu said ijebu is jebu-Salem. The only liar here is just u

He is a clown. Just imaging such fallacious statement? He will not show you anything instead, he will use abusive words. It only show the liar he is as an Oviedo.

And for those comparing IFA corpus, to AFA's knowledge of Eastern region, is/are a bunch of joker(s) because the tenets of Yoruba's IFA aren't the same as Ibo's AFA. Some scholars that practice and vast in Yoruba's IFA corpus made it possible for united nation to embrace it and it became a worldwide heritage. And this IFA knowledge litters over the Internet and if interested,there is even a bold practioner on NL. So go help yourself and see the difference between the two. Yoruba brought IFA with them, which simply mean,anyone ,group, outside Yoruba's enclave who weren't a priestly Yoruba lineage or apprentice of such had the knowledge through Yoruba people.

12salim:
Stop being delusional man! You guys didnt came from arabs! You have more in common with us cushites than with them. It's ridiculous nowadays how some africans "claim" ancestry with certain groups of people.

Delusional? Mentioning Arab origin does not necessarily mean Arabians. Arabia peninsula inhabited different group of people in the past and they lived within their territories.These also doesn't mean, Some Yoruba's identity weren't Arabians from their historic account. The same way an Irishman-Caucasian descendants may claim to be a white man's descendants even if s/he looked brownish in his her skin. Well, each and everyone is entitled to his or her opinion. But guess, what ? Archeology has a way of reconnecting the present to the past. Below is an excavated sculpture of twelfth dynasty ruler in Iraq and beyond(Babylonian territory). His facial features will help you understand what migration could do due to enslavement , famine, annihilation or overthrown of previous dynasty and beyond this.

Hati13:
Both aren’t migrant.


Beside linguistic, genetic also say that Yoruba originated around West African.

Yes Ethiopian spirituality is unique but same also for many other African groups. This can’t be taken as an indicator for a ppl to be non native.


Eritreans and Ethiopians follow the same Orthodox Christianity.


If no Yoruba linguistic say Yoruba language isn’t part of Niger-Congo like you say, then it means Yoruba linguistic don’t want to accept the truth. But I said LIKE YOU SAID, since there are some who accept it.

Many yoruba linguists haven't enough fund to do more critical studies and analysis on CLUMSY classification of language in Benue- Congo environment . Infact a linguist known by the name BLENCH has proposed a new branch of Benue–Congo that's model after GREENBERG's Benue-Congo . Are these people well studied to even classified a people that call kwa as ‘human being' and the one that calls human being ‘Ènia or Èniyan?' You can get the full pdf for your perusal. I wonder, how some people will inform you about a group of people based on personal opinion and you want to hook line and sinker into it. You can do better than this.

I will be back soon for my revelation.

MetaPhysical:
Okayyy...I think its time for elders to step in here and intervene.

Moneywoman, Olu, Baba, Y0ruba, asiko ti Omoluabi wa to bayi. Eyi ta se yi na too.

I take Oduduwa beg you, I take Obatala beg you, I take Ogun and Sango beg you, I take Oya and Osun beg you, I take Iya beg you. I beg you in name of Oranmiyan, Moremi and all the ancestors. E don do!

You have achieved your objectives. What else are you doing here? Let it go.

Baba you owe me one . I don rescue you for that origin of Yoruba thread. Pay me back by stopping this thing now. I no wan hear haaan from your mouth, just .., look, forget this thread exist.


Guys abeg o, you said this is your fight and only you have right to stop it, not other side. Please exercise that right this moment. You have done impressively well in outlining your points and achieved the goals. Walk off majestically with your head high and leave Edo people alone to their own problems.

Please....

I thank una!

Oodua a Gbe Wa o!

I had already bowed out of engaging Oviedos because the motive behind it has been achieved. Beside, the Oviedos on this forum are not bringing anything new to counter Yoruba's scholarly evidence,but using abusive words.

Asé to your prayer

Favor99:
Your one hateful evil guy on this thread.
Anyway I wish you well. May God help you

Are you not the guilty one here? You blame Yoruba for their attitude on this thread, yet your Afemai brothers are the saint,right? What an Oviedo you're!

OlaoChi:
lmao.. Ok so all the linguists in the whole wide world are stereotyping pseudo-proponents
Since you professor without degree or any form of undertaken research know so much why not bless us with your knowledge, save us from these misleading Linguists who are in their thousands and have the world behind their work. Your friend babaramota has learnt something new today, that Yoruba is actually a legit Niger-congo language, but since you are more linguist than the linguist why not back up your claim with common sense or evidence?

Well, you are the one that claimed Niger Congo's submission is right and I proved you wrong even with their own information. I expect you to say,thank you,because I have given you an information that yo never thought was true. In as much there linguistics, in the world, studies will continuously be carried out and critics will always exist. The ethnologue of many west African language have been studied beyond your comprehension. So be abreast with current information on historical research.

OlaoChi:
OK since you know more than experts please release your work and contribution to linguistics
Gottlob Krause was a linguist what are you exactly? what research in the Kwa languages have you undertaken? Its crazy how you want to talk trash about people who have contributed to Knowledge of Africa while you the african sits somewhere flipping ideas of the top of the head

Mr . you drew the first blood and I had to hit hard on you. Do I have to be a linguist to showcase the flaws in kangaroo research that was made inform of magic? Of course not. But I have Shown you that you lived in the past of pseudo historical account. I have given biblical reference to differentiate between your so called ‘garment' and oracular ephod. Secondly, am sure you have acquired new knowledge on the meaning of KWA,which mean human being in Gbe and Ga . Yet it is meaningless in Yoruba language.I didn't at anytime mentioned other tribes or ethnicity but you draw in neighbouring Art work,yet you failed to realise that,they are not comparable because, even the sculptures ( Art work) found in ILE IFE had been analysed ,to mean, two different dynasty. Food for thought,my friend.

Lastly,please don't drag me into deviating from what I or others intend to share on this forum.

BabaRamota1980:
Thank you. I didnt even know what KWA mean. I cant understand people that wait to be fed. Just because Oyinboman said ...."from now on you are Niger/Congo" these people have refused to shift even when phenomenal evidence disturb that declaration.


Same thing political eediots we have in West Africa who thought it wise to collapse trade barriers and make it all one huge region with common residency but refused to dismount the artificial boundaries created by whiteman and reunite nations with their ancient socio-political fronts and languages. You and I and other front thinking individuals should be setting policies on political goals, not these half witted zombies we have as rulers. 100yrs or more since Europeans shared lands and changed and we remained stiff and in compliance.

Shatter the dayam glass and advance an Afrocentric intelligentsia and dissolve any non-Afroethnic language from here.

Don't mind these set of people that are stereotyped with pseudo linguistic classification. I mock them all

BabaRamota1980:
Given the scholarship work in that article and the equation of garment to mean pocket, what sense should one make of a scriptural verse that says...."your wife is your garment"?


Scholars are sometimes wrong. Lets be bold to challenge scholarship work that fell short of enlightenement.


Garment is a cover, a shield against one's private business being exposed. Its protection against vulnerability.

The sense of ephod as a garment will be to consult ephod and obtain protection. Ephod is gateway to the shield needed to cover oneself (garment).

You see, it was later thought through the modern day interpreter that Ephod was a garment but older meaning, it wasn't. In fact, it was mentioned to be If you are interested it ,check the book of 1 Samuel 30 vs 7 and read what Ephod( divination is all about). And on language classification of Niger Congo, precisely Kwa group. Do you know Kwa means HUMAN BEING in Gbe and Gã languages? This is the truth. Does this mean that this language is related to Yoruba's ? Yet some lazy youths will come up online to disgrace themselves over frivolous issue. Gottlob Krause that grouped them isn't a speaker of the language!...


Below is the screenshot for you BabaRamota1980. There is no need for juxtaposing wirh someone, who is unwilling to bring forth evidence both personal opinion,which isn't relevant.

BabaRamota1980:
The outward physical attributes on a body are adaptations to physiological structure inside the body and its balance with the elements and atmospheric pressure outside.

Example...look at lion's nose, proportionally short and flared. Look at horse's nose, long and aquiline. They both have speed and strength, but one hunts, the other does not. Thats example of adaptation.
Next compare camel's nose, short and flared. Look at donkey's nose, long and aquiline.
They both travel long distance and carry heavy load on back. Yet the endurance of donkey, impressive as it is, will not survive the desert, whereas a camel can criss cross the desert with ease.

So the land and conditions and local environment has done much in the evolution of Yoruba that the image represented by the Ife heads have all but almost dissapeared from the facial structure you see today.

Physiologically the Yoruba is very healthy and its blood strong.

More than that. Bro survival of reproduction changed some facial features . Marrying from non clans of one do change people's facial feature. I chose not answer that guy because, his statement is incorrect. Check Yoruba nosal feature and you will see, his statement isn't true. Look up Sportmen, Musicians, Actors, your instagram,twitter etc,what you will see will amaze you that guy just lied. Although, this isn't necessary, because the Art and mode of life were all non Western Africa.

OlaoChi:
Many erroneous thoughts here..

Lexical similarity within the Niger congo group of languages is precisely why they are grouped together.But you do not expect different languages to have 70% similarity, that is boarding on dialectical differences. That is why only languages(actually dialects) within yorubaland share around and over 70% similarity. [see attached photo]
i would love to know how much similarity Yoruba shares with Hebrew or any other semitic language

And what is the fuss about yoruba Glass bead making and Bronze heads? After all these are home grown, I do not see how this buttress your point

Ephod is not an oracle it is a garment

You are absolutely irrelevant to yoruba study. You Google Ephod and because you saw garment, and you fell for it. Well, here is what Ephod is said to be. According to the account of David's inquiry from Ephod, see below. Does this passage mean the same as your filthy information, you think you want to use to damn my research? Your mastery in ignorance is unequal

OlaoChi:
You are as well inconsequential and that's the truth. Neither of us are historians but at least I am not the one springing up stories and claims from imagination. I actually stay within the realms of history and facts established by actual historians

Just imaging your mindset? As usual, yo delved into, what you have no knowledge of. Anyway, kindly show me where, you and I opined on discipline.... Ignorance is no more a disease on you but it has plagued you.

Hati13:
I said Semitic MIGHT have influenced Yoruba in ancient times because you said so. If you accept Yoruba being grouped under Niger-Congo, then you must also accept that Yoruba had a common ancestry with other Niger-Congo speakers.

Wouldn’t Yoruba past achievements solely be their own and some of the similarities with Iraq and Egypt just coincidence?

Father in Amharic can also be called “Aba”.“

No, you got me wrong! I wasn't actually saying Yoruba language was influence by Semitic language but Yoruba language developed within the speakers of it from beginning which ought be classified as a Semitic language. But, unfortunately, it is not . While, the location of the speakers of it today resides within the present day,Western Africa. And the language isnt related to any group but solely the speakers. Furthermore, classification of the Yoruba language within Niger-Congo has nothing, to do with the related languages in west Africa because the languages aren't related to any other speakers, that can actually be said to be even 50% ,with semitic related words found in yoruba lexicon. Yoruba language has Afro-asiatic/ semitic words in her lexicon. These have been studied in the past.

Hati13:
Olu317,

There might be DNA and Semitic language influences on Yoruba in ancient time but all concrete evidences are telling that Yoruba language is Niger-Congo (not ancient Hebrew) and Yoruba gene is for large part to be similar with other West Africans. The nose in the picture might be native. Africa house almost all the features in the world.

There is no Ethiopian language. If you mean in Amharic, father is “abat” and thunder “negodegwade”.

Sorry About the mixup with Ethiopia instead of Amharic. If you say Semitic language had influenced Yoruba's, but at what time in history did such happened? In as much as I know that Afro–Asiatic gave birth to ancient Hebrew language but the language developed separately and eventually became non existence,which is because Hebrew died out as a vernacular language somewhere between 200 and 400 CE, declining after the Bar Kokhba revolt of 132–136 CE, which devastated the population of Judea . After the exile Hebrew became restricted to
liturgical use. And in 19th—20th century, modern Hebrew developed.So, how sure are you about modern Hebrew being the authentic Hebrew language? If your claims that Semitic influence Yoruba language, how then did such happened? Many words existed in Yoruba lexicons, which weren't brought through migration, but from ancestors language,which has been eternal with Yorubas. And the Niger Congo grouped that Yorubas are grouped with came into existence in the 20th century. So, I don't have a problem with grouping but how many of those language are 70% related to Yoruba ancient lexicon? Non except Yoruba related people/enclaves only.
You see, fact and archeological researches don't lie. There are evidences that Yorubas were scientists in the ancient times,who were well vast in herbology, animal husbandary, art work, manufacturing of beads, glass and administration .Every discovery in Yoruba land is always for the western eyes to behold. The beads discovered is over a 1000 years old and unequal with any in Africa. The Alloy head dug out at a site , looked like a prototype from Iraq's city,which had been in existence since 3000BC. Can you claim, Yoruba borrowed such Art work or influence by the middle Eastern people? How and where did they met for such knowledge acquisition to be transferred? There is what is called Ephod( oracle) in the Christian Bible, which Hebrew consult to enquire from Christian God and Yoruba have IFA, which is the Oracle used to ask for guidance etc from God . How do these word look similar and purpose of the Oracle similar?
If Amharic that are closer to Middle East, don't call father ‘Ba', then, you should know that ,something about Yoruba is unique and that more research need be done continuously to unravel the mystery of yorubas.

OlaoChi:
The fact that you use "ham" as a racial description makes you a pseudohistorian. Get a life, you don't make any proper research so don't come here claiming what you don't have knowledge of

I didn't get to read this earlier, I would not have reply you in anyway because, you are inconsequential to the subject matter. Anyway, thanks for being a ‘history professor', and ham-hamitic hypothesis has nothing to do with your opinion. Beside, if people see you as having answers to their questions, you would have been consulted but you practically aren't needed.

OlaoChi:
. If that's the case you could limit your "tracing ancestry" to yourself not the entire Yorubas

You see, I chose to respond to you because, I thought you are mild and do have a mature mind but I was wrong because, you are ignorant of history. Kindly go to archives in different yorubaland and do research on people's settlement and your eyes will be opened to a lot of things.Visit Ilorin and read more about the history of Yoruba Ilorin. I doubt if you had taken time to look at the different African Archives, from Arabic speaking account to the French speaking people ? Perhaps you would had had encountered and m acknowledged migration of people , which wouldnt make Yoruba exception. Anyway , I need no soothsayer nor a pastor to inform me about my ancestry. Why such statement Your ‘tracing ancestry ? As ignorant as you are and will ever be is that you have proved that,you are a young person,whose knowlwdge is heavily shrewd in Yoruba history for you not to comprehend,the reason yorubas are held in high esteem by western researchers. Well, past Ooni visited Brazil decades ago and the day he arrived, rain fell,like no other day,after a drought and the present Ooni Adeyeye Ogunwusi has been given the wisdom to continue in that regard. Am sure you saw the Yoruba mulattoes,who were few 100s years ago exported to Americas ? So keep such advice to yourself because I dont need it. After, all ,you are a product of Ibo and Yoruba parentage. Am I wrong?correct me. And nobody can question you for such, because you did identify with both, right? As a being, your path in this life is before you, so follow up in it and do yourself a great deal of being happy. I'm sure, you have knowledge about me and my historical ancestry,even if we never met,which can't happen. So, I have Right like the Western researchers and African researchers who had dug and still doing a lot of digging into the past and unravel the mystery of the thickness of Yoruba tradition. After, all we( Yorubas) are not aliens. There are archeological excavation/work being done from time to time at ILEIFE and Osugbo site at Epe–Ijebu axis, which you can peruse through an archeological link on the web,from Nigeria,which confirmed that digging into the past is a determinant factor of shaping the future. Lastly, if you have strong evidence of West African lexicons, to counter/nullify similar semitic language, Art ,ancient building pattern ,etc ,that are wholly yorubas,then come up with such evidence, rather than this comment. At least ,proof to me that Yoruba is older than Igboukwu or Nok Empire. And I will rest my case.

Favor99:
Ok, “those unlettered online Edos,” why add the online for? You kind of subtly shade my people
In your posts that we’ve had back and forth.

You subtly do it, but I can still sense it.
Anyways when one start unprovokingly dissing someone like this babaramota does you can expect insult back from someone. Not everyone is is patient like me.

He who is bestowed with patience can conquer his/her imagination. If you got,then know , you have a great gift. Using, online Edos in the forum is quite different from Edos generally on NL as a whole or in real life. So, I'm cautious not about not mingling or muddling people up,so that difference can be ascertain. I don't expect all human beings to have same traits and I won't be surprised seeing uncultured beings behaves like the one below that I screenshot. Why would you blame for defending my ancestor's throne? Can a nonentity call your father a tribe, when your father tradition has no link with such? I will not engage suchlike personality that insults my ancestors heritage. Blame an uncultured Edo people, who distort and use vulgar words.
Distort not my history and I come not against you but call me an Udoman–Owodo or Odion,then, I will ask questions which you can't understand my tradition because I am not from Igodomigodo but from Yoruba land

Read and see the difference between BabaRamota1980 and the hate filled Oviedo

BabaRamota1980:
Where do you see hate? Point it out.

No need to proof any point to Favor99. You are awesome.

Favor99:
Olu317
Moneywomen17
Look at your tribalistic brother. You were saying it was we Edos that we’re causing the problem.

Anyway babaramota1980 continue basking in your hate, that’s not going to lead you anywhere

You are wrong. If you accuse him of fanning hatred , which it isn't true,why don't you search the previous the posts, and look up for the online oviedos who used negative words on us all on this forum? That should be the beginning of your judgement. To be honest, What you showcase isn't a big deal because, it was witchcraft that was mentioned . And witchery isn't practiced only in Edos because all groups, in the world practice it. And did you see, how those unlettered online Edos abused the Ooni? I take no offence, in what BabaRamota1980 said.....I stand with BabaRamota1980.

Favor99:
Ok cool thanks. So what’s the story with the Edo and Bini? What’s the difference between the original Edo and Bini? Did Yorubas and Bini split into 2 groups?

There are different account that showed, Yorubas are different through etymology/ lexicon and religious beliefs. But some Edos have ancestral link to Yorubas and vice versa as it may be. There are authors that wrote about Edos ,when some people called Efa existed with Udos , Ika, Urhobo , etc from the beginning of Odion system ,that led to Ogiso dynasty before Oba dynasty existed and made firm as the means of governance.

12salim:
It's not worth talking sense here walal. Some of the nigerians here are not good in their heads and like to say shit like this ( that they came from the middle east). If you guys just knew how bad the arabs ( in general) treat us africans,you wouldn't say this kind of shit.

Hmmmmm, well, maltreatment isn't the basis of this thread but humans historical account and possible migration. At every time in centuries, one group or another, dominates the world and not new. Even you, can be an interbred man or woman. And we all have our ancestors account. Let digress a little. Do you know Tee Mac father was a White man? Do you know, Ramsey Noah's father was from Middle East(Israel axis)? , Do you know one of the daughter of Babatunde Idiagbon is married to a Caucasian? The point, here is that people have right to claim their ancestry. Do you know Bob Marley's father was a white Irish man? Google and learn.I am a human being and not by colour. I stand exceptional amongst equal. This is my ancestors strength and till infinity, so shall we be.

Favor99:
Babaramota always derogitvely says Witchery when referring to Edos and says other stereotypical stuff. His case is ridiculous. Look at his past posts and see how it reeks with ignorance and tribalism. All Edos migrated from Benin City, so all Edo’s were once Bini at a point.

Now where we all Yorubas at a point? Or where Yorubas once Bini at a point? I honestly don’t know.

But hate and tribalism just breeds horrible consequences. This mindset is poisonous, because it even starts causing people to discriminate between themselves within the same ethnic group. The person might be from the same tribe but a different town or state, and now there’s division. No unity. They start discriminating against one another because they don’t like the other city or state even though there from the same tribe.

This “let’s continue to divide ourselves” mentality in the black race has even extended to division between the Nigerian men and women. Look how there’s always fight between our men and women.

So this has to stop, because this is ingrained in our heads and spreading to other facets of society.

It’s the unscrupolous wicked western powers that are behind this madness and our people are taking the bait

Like I had mentioned earlier, many of all the online Edos on this forum drew the first blood. Although, I see your opinion as a genuine and easy going type. Kindly, don't let bitterness be sold to you in the future. If BabaRamota1980 mentioned witchcrafts in Edos, doesn't mean, others don't practice it, of course they do. Please, be informed that Edo existed before Bini because a Yoruba man called Oranmiyan created that name and it became the name of the new dynasty's city, which started from him and his son ; Owoka,corruptly called Eweka by Edos . No hatred toward you or from BabaRamota1980, I can assure you. Lastly, all humans came from same stock but culture and tradition separated us at a time.

Favor99:
Ok no group is more superior than the other. Tribalism leads to hate and disunity and a divided house cannot stand. Whether we like it or not we people need each other. We have such a vast population of 190 million with so much potential.

If Yorubas and Edos with such similar history, culture, heritage can be fighting each other with the former putting the other down, then I don’t know how we can come together as one, especially with groups that have much different cultures.

The babaramota1980 guy and another guy are the real bad ones. Why won’t there be tensions and fighting in Africa, when people just start excessively insulting others. It takes 2 to tango, but someone has to start it.

I understand your annoyed because you believe your side of history and we believe our side of history. It can be frustrating when you believe the other side is telling tales. But me personally I don’t know which side is correct or which one is the truth. I just know that where brothers and shouldn’t be fighting.

After all 900 years ago Edo and Yoruba were the same tribe

The world doesn’t end in Africa, we have greater enemies out there in the world, we have to put our differences aside and come together and build

I do appreciate your concern, that Yoruba call Inu–Irè ( good hearted person). But you don't need to accuse BabaRamota1980, at all. This is a quick reaction, you need not. Have you read the account of these Edos online, using damming words on us (Yorubas) ? Did you see one that threatened me ,simply because , I give out information, in my care ? These are some out of the issue. I know, you don't have full knowledge of Yoruba —Edo connection. And ,we as Yorubas ,have never said,we own Edo as a whole but Bini ,inside Edo belonged to Yoruba. And contrary to your belief, some kingdoms/ people are more superior than the others, in terms of population,exposure and economy's strength. Although, all humans are created by God which suppose to be a unification factor for Nigerians , but the issue of Nigeria, cant work until different ethnic people acknowledged the real historic connection, through restructuring, the way forward will always be an illusion.

bigfrancis21:
You might have a point the possibility of Barbados/Bussa coming from Niger state is slim because very few slaves were exported from Niger state and, even moreso, most slave captives from the northern Nigerian area were enslaved by the Arabic people and sent eastwards towards the middle east, not westwards towards the Americas.

Bariba/ Baruba/ Tapa – Niger area were exported via Oyo.

AIG07:
This Oni is bringing back the lost respect and honour accord to our traditional rulers in ages past.

Long live the King.

Yes, long live the divine kings in Yoruba land. God has begun to be at peace with Yorubas and he is showcasing his chosen people to the world through Ooni Osa.

Favor99:
Why do you and your Yoruba brothers engage in such tribalism and hatred on this thread? You’ve been throwing low blows and tribalistic comments for nothing. The other guys are not even dissing your tribe. They’re simply having a debate. Whereas you and your Yoruba brothers have been saying all kinds of tribalistic things.

And when an oyinbo trashes and insults Africans/Nigerians with racism, you’ll be there complaining and getting upset

Why do you blame Yorubas once we start responding to distortion of our heritage ? Oviedo caused these problem from even the period I hadn't registered on NL. And many of the said Yorubas didn't do Justice to it ,which made the Edos revisionism looked true but perpetual fallacy. This is the reason many of us took it serious to inform, who care to know that we are well vast in history either through acquisition at the tertiary or Oral historical knowledge acquisition,to knock off their fairytale stories. On the issue of racism, the truth, is that, people see you as you see yourself. Racism does not lived with Caucasians only but all humanoid because, each superior group ,irrespective of the location, oppresses the weaker group, even worse off than the Caucasians, you mentioned. Racism has no colour but universal. This doesn't mean, all personified Yoruba, you read their account here have intention to degrade theEdos but to correct the mischief of the lying Edos' ,with such notion that Ekerhelederan was Odudua/Olofin Adimla. This is Yoruba history and our Right to call off their bluffs.

GodSon34:
If you've read the newyork times article and still think Ijebu are yoruba then I confuse! Denial much? Btw are you even Ijebu cos I am

Where in Ijebu are you from?

Mulatto Yorubas

@Hati13, I am not interested in engaging some set people who engage in controversial statement. If you are really interested in Yoruba history ,then you can find time to dissect and understudy the set of people that formed ethnicity.Many atimes some people on this platform who have no true knowledge of tradition of one's lineage shy away from the truth or are too unstudious to realise ,human beings were product of same link but differed when religion set and method to connect to God manifest,so also migratory theory of people either as a reason for greener pasture or war . I am willing to help out on it. First, I am sure, you know the nosal feature of a Ham? Does these NOSAL Feature, EAR feature looked like core black man? I am also sure , you can identify a moon/ Sun like on a crown? Can you see it? There is nothing close to this in West Africa? Then compare with these Pharaoh's NOSE AND EAR....