₦airaland Forum

samuk:
There were no such people called Yoruba, or a place called Yoruba land when Benin land was called Igodomigodo. What will have today as Yoruba are different people coming together to form Yoruba (a conglomerate of different tribes)...Ask the Awujale of Ijebu Ode for more information if you don't know. When you claim Yoruba subjugated Igodomigodo, which of the different entities that made up later day Yoruba did the subjugation? Was it Ife that never had an army? Was it the Alafin of Oyo that only came to be after orumiyan left Benin to create the dynasty and far junior to Oba Eweka of Benin let alone Igodomigodo? Or is it Lagos whose monarch, a product of Benin that subjugated Igodomigodo and renamed her Benin, please answer these questions without insults.

please answer these questions without insults.[/quote]You just made .You see your mistake again? Do you know that “Yoruba”( oYo O-ba/ Uyi O-ba/ Èyi O-ba). The word “O-ba" was one out of many words used as an eulogy to identify with princes with crowns that left Ile IFe. So,when such Princes introduce himself through his servant(s) to the new place he migrated toward,he is addressed as Oba..This is the reason many of you haters will never know it. In fact my personal ancestral Oriki( eulogy) ends with Kaare O'ba mi . Oraanmiyan was the first proper founder of Oyo and not the first settler on that land.This is because he had a beaded crown that confirm superiority of crown princes. Ile Ibinu was a place that Oranmiyan ,didn't spend much time. In fact ,Owomika was said a baby when he left the palace courtyard to go Oyo Ilè/ Katunga . My problem with some of you is that In as much as you have not taken much of your time to do research on the advent of Yoruba words and eulogy, why do you comment on her history as if you know a lot ? Can you count how many places with in Yoruba land which bore Oba as a name from time immemorial even if there is slight in pronunciation? outside this, Oyo was the conglomerate of all clans that evolved and became solidified. So, Oyo Ilè was the name of the country,while the crown on the head of the prince that sit on oyo ancestor(Oranmiyan) throne is what makes him O'ba. On your wrong summation of Yoruba people having different identity is a big lie because, they all worshipped the same God and Orisas. What then made anyone different? That is a food for thought for you . If you bear “Osagie" and you migrated to another environment, won't your descendants be identified as sons and daughters of Osagie? After all, Osagie is a Bini name. This is the way it was. Apart from the fabrication,you credited to Awujale,in Ijebu, nearly all families traced their ancestors to Ile Ife and one that claimed outside, said they migrated via Sudan to Yoruba land.This has nothing to do with Igodomigodo,does it? Let me just enlighten you ,again, Yoruba were known as “Aku",Okun, Iséré etc , because of clans migration and settlement. We don't write lies like many of you online ,so live with this.
But answer this question: Do you know there are clans in Edo state that do worship different deity from Bini? What makes Edo homogeneous?

samuk:
There were no such people called Yoruba, or a place called Yoruba land when Benin land was called Igodomigodo. What will have today as Yoruba are different people coming together to form Yoruba (a conglomerate of different tribes)...Ask the Awujale of Ijebu Ode for more information if you don't know. When you claim Yoruba subjugated Igodomigodo, which of the different entities that made up later day Yoruba did the subjugation? Was it Ife that never had an army? Was it the Alafin of Oyo that only came to be after orumiyan left Benin to create the dynasty and far junior to Oba Eweka of Benin let alone Igodomigodo? Or is it Lagos whose monarch, a product of Benin that subjugated Igodomigodo and renamed her Benin, please answer these questions without insults.

You just made .You see your mistake again? Do you know that “Yoruba”( oYo O-ba/ Uyi O-ba/ Èyi O-ba). The word “O-ba" was one out of many words used as an eulogy to identify with princes with crowns that left Ile IFe. So,when such Princes introduce himself through his servant(s) to the new place he migrated toward,he is addressed as Oba..This is the reason many of you haters will never know it. In fact my personal ancestral Oriki( eulogy) ends with Kaare O'ba mi . Look at your ignorance again? In as much as you have not taken your time to do research on the advent of Yoruba words and eulogy, why do you comment on her history as if you know a lot ? And practically you know nothing .Can you count how many places with in Yoruba land which bore Oba as a name from time immemorial even if there is slight in pronunciation? outside this, Oyo was the conglomerate of all clans that evolved and became solidified. So, Oyo Ilè was the name of the country,while the crown on the head of the prince that sit on oyo ancestor(Oranmiyan) throne is what makes him O'ba. On your wrong summation of Yoruba people having different identity is a big lie because, they all worshipped the same God and Orisas. What then made anyone different? If you bear “Osagie" and you migrated to another environment, won't your descendants be identified as sons and daughters of Osagie? After all, Osagie is a Bini name. This is the way it was. Apart from the fabrication,you credited to Awujale,in Ijebu, nearly all families traced their ancestors to Ile Ife and one that claimed outside, said they migrated via Sudan to Yoruba land.This has nothing to do with Igodomigodo,does it? Let me just enlighten you ,again, Yoruba were known as “Aku",Okun, Iséré etc , because of clans migration and settlement. We don't write lies like many of you online ,so live with it

samuk:
If you are arguing after all the facts then there is problem

I cant believe what you showcase up there! Is this how Igodomigodo people are like? All your claim have been trampled upon with facts and not opinion . There were many record of Yoruba activities even up to Songhai Empire/Mahlia Empire. Were you,(Edos), not still worshiping Ooni sculpture as if he was God in 13th–14th ,and all through to 18th century? Have you not seen the sculpture of Ooni that was dug out at the heart of Oba palace? It is shameful to see Yoruba renamed Igodomigodo with pride to Ulè Ubinu /Ilè Ibinu/Ilè Bini/Bini.Just check how Yorubas has subjugated your domain as a distinct people as you are with AkA identity to becoming a Yoruba enclave? If indeed, you appreciate your Igodomigodo as your pride and Ogiso as your king from the Sky, then change back to the name of your real ancestor to show forth Aka's strength......

gregyboy:
A son birthed his father how does that make sense...benin kingdom grew largely influenced half the yoruba pop ...it woukd have gone boyound d eastern yorubas to the west if not for colonization our influenced on the french made dahomey to be renamed benin wuth the oba approval .u claim a kingdom who the female warrior raped your men to death in war took ur people captive the fa people of dahimey ...rescued back thier village from ur village empire
No influence is seen on the people you said you colonise so how do want me to believe so

Where exactly do you live? Have you ever taken time to visit Dahomey Museum? Are you really read? You amaze me with these your views. Is this how you reason? Obviously, you and your likes are amongst the Edos ,whose views ridicule archeology and oral historical account. Before you can comment on Dahomey, you need visit the place and see,how Yoruba had influenced,their tradition, despite the fact that Yorubas aren't the majority,among the ethnic groups in Bénin Republic. This is the power God has given to Yorubas to dominate any environment the settledown .Honestly, stop quoting me because, you have not given out anything as fact or reference to back up your opinion. At least, if Edo did anything in Dahomey country, there must be a footprint of their tradition and language influence ,either written books by Western historians or Dahomey descendants. Kindly cite some books written by Edo Authors, researchers or stop commenting because you are wasting your time....

davidnazee:
You Yourubas can continue to lie and spread false accounts.. it doesn't matter.. Everyone and including your scholars and historians know Benin ruled over Yoruba and greatly influenced your culture and lifestyles.. only your language survived, but in "character and culture, eastern yoruba is more Edo than Yoruba.." those are the words of your renowned yoruba scholars.

I am not interested in opinion. Give evidence to buttress your point. If Ghanaian history,which Ashanti was very prominent mentioned Oyo,as a fearful force that defeated them,what is Bini in the eyes of history? Get thee behind me. As long as Western part of Nigeria is concerned, Yorubas remained, the reason for Edo civilization...

povicky1:
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Edos. Are under Yorubas. Mr, are you alright...?

Are you new on here? You must be from One Edo village to write like this..... Even your Oba came to ILE IFE to acknowledged the throne of Oranmiyan,great grand son of Odua .I know you are a ‘PUMA' like others.

davidnazee:
Another piece copied from the research work of a Yoruba Scholar:

"Every town or village under him (Ewi) except Ijan were prepared to fight…The Benin soldiers stormed Igbara-Odo and Ilawe and took them. At this time, Ado town had been vacated. Aroloye took the people to a place called Oke Oko Axis between Ifaki and Iworoko. Most of the gods Ado worshipped on that side: Olua at Eyio, Obanifon at Esure and Are, Ogbese and Orisala at Iworoko. The soldiers pitched their camps near Uyin (Iyin)…Ogbesi Okun, the then Oluyin …was conquered and killed. They proceeded to Igede, Awo and Esure and took them. The inhabitants of Igede then uder Okiribiti were driven in a north-easternly direction to a place called Oke Asha…Edo troops then marched to Iworoko…The soldiers entered Are…The same fate befell Afao. They were all taken to Ikere. The soldiers moved to Igbemo …entered Igbo-Omoba (now Ilu-Omoba)…The soldiers left Aisegba for Agbado and without delay took it and evacuated the people. Agbado was the last place under the Ewi. With the conquest, of Agbado, the soldiers seemed to have finished their job…

‘Ewi Idagunmodo (1696-1710), Ewi Okinbaloye Aritawekun (1710-1722), Ewi Amono Ola (1722-1762), Ewi Afunbiowo (1762-1781), Ewi Akulojuorun (1781-1808), Ewi Aroloye (1808-1836) who reigned at Ado but were attacked successively by Benin hordes…‘During the reign of Ewi Aroloye, Ado-Ewi’s kingdom witnessed massive dislocation across the terrain as town dwellers and villagers ran for safety in different directions. Many of the captives from Iworoko, Are, Afao, Ugboomoba (now Ilumoba) and Agbado were taken to Ukere by Benin invaders

…the rapid expansion of Ado brought it into conflict with Benin, another power with imperialistic designs in Ekiti. Responding to the invitation by Ado’s neighbouring states who had become unduly alarmed by the consolidation and excesses of the Ewi’s power, Benin army invaded and subjugated Ado in addition to overrunning most of the other Ekiti states some of whose ruling dynasties, as in Ikere, were replaced…’’"’

With these your ambiguous lies.What's the exact footprint that Edo lay? I have never seen such lies as these but then it is in some Edo's blood to lie online........At least ,logic must prevail here because every part in Edoland that Bini Army marched,Bini duke was put on the throne. Why didn't Bini put her Duke on each place you mentioned in Yoruba land?....

davidnazee:
Another piece copied from the research work of a Yoruba Scholar:

"Every town or village under him (Ewi) except Ijan were prepared to fight…The Benin soldiers stormed Igbara-Odo and Ilawe and took them. At this time, Ado town had been vacated. Aroloye took the people to a place called Oke Oko Axis between Ifaki and Iworoko. Most of the gods Ado worshipped on that side: Olua at Eyio, Obanifon at Esure and Are, Ogbese and Orisala at Iworoko. The soldiers pitched their camps near Uyin (Iyin)…Ogbesi Okun, the then Oluyin …was conquered and killed. They proceeded to Igede, Awo and Esure and took them. The inhabitants of Igede then uder Okiribiti were driven in a north-easternly direction to a place called Oke Asha…Edo troops then marched to Iworoko…The soldiers entered Are…The same fate befell Afao. They were all taken to Ikere. The soldiers moved to Igbemo …entered Igbo-Omoba (now Ilu-Omoba)…The soldiers left Aisegba for Agbado and without delay took it and evacuated the people. Agbado was the last place under the Ewi. With the conquest, of Agbado, the soldiers seemed to have finished their job…

‘Ewi Idagunmodo (1696-1710), Ewi Okinbaloye Aritawekun (1710-1722), Ewi Amono Ola (1722-1762), Ewi Afunbiowo (1762-1781), Ewi Akulojuorun (1781-1808), Ewi Aroloye (1808-1836) who reigned at Ado but were attacked successively by Benin hordes…‘During the reign of Ewi Aroloye, Ado-Ewi’s kingdom witnessed massive dislocation across the terrain as town dwellers and villagers ran for safety in different directions. Many of the captives from Iworoko, Are, Afao, Ugboomoba (now Ilumoba) and Agbado were taken to Ukere by Benin invaders

…the rapid expansion of Ado brought it into conflict with Benin, another power with imperialistic designs in Ekiti. Responding to the invitation by Ado’s neighbouring states who had become unduly alarmed by the consolidation and excesses of the Ewi’s power, Benin army invaded and subjugated Ado in addition to overrunning most of the other Ekiti states some of whose ruling dynasties, as in Ikere, were replaced…’’"’

With these your ambiguous lies.What's the exact footprint that Edo lay? I have never seen such lies as these but then it is in some Edo's blood to lie online........At least ,logic must prevail here because every part in Edoland that Bini Army marched,Bini duke was put on the throne. Why didn't Bini put her Duke on each place you mentioned in Yoruba land?....

BabaRamota1980:
Nna....see nama!

Ogbeni me think say u be gentleman with this ya polished and intellectual responses but im beginning to see you are wickedt.

Omo, come see packaging! This Ogbeni metpahysical na bokoharam.

I dey come....i must add swaga to this revelation.

“Badder than the baddest".... I can't stop laughing, BabaRamota1980!

Moneywomen17:
for the shameless edo who believe na only dem own bead. Yoruba even produce bead and other African group. And gregyboy this is another pix I found online about a Yoruba Queen look at her neck too.

Awesome!

gregyboy:
Am smiling ...because it seem you just could speak English dont mean youre educated
Must they be a balogun i bet most yorubas particularly Oyo had no idea of the aworis till the late 18c ...must they be a balogun if there was no balogun as you said it was probably as a result of little or no knowledge of the awori people ...
And if i decide to come to ur town and claim myself the ruler of your town by force wont you attack me or would you just let me rule...you will definately attack. the only way you wont attack is when you probably have weighed my military strength and is way higher than the chance you have on me.... Leaving lagos out of it. we also ruled akure,owo,ondo,ekiti and part of ibadan we would have exceeded to oyo and osun if not the british invasion....
When you wanna argued solidified history dont go close to the benis aint joke at all oyo or ile ife is a village kingdom compare to a city empire like Benin with great walls like that of china and great moat which are among the wonders of the world
Great works of art that changed the 19c believe system of the white on Africans...
And lastly the spatial organization of benin that made the Portuguese call it a city that is the spatial concept the british took over to Britain and created same pattern in thier queen square in lodon..you see the Queen square in lodon is just the same design with ring road or kingsquare in Benin

And i know you will start quoting with pop pretty soon you forget that russia was a continent before america spilited them into various country..thats dsame would happen to yorubas if understimate a small pop we have survived what the yoruba race never survived a war which took thousands of benin indigenes and made us a minority i bet if yoruba take have of america rut they will go into extinction

What is even wrong with you that you lacked etiquette at manner you use words wrongfully at people? It seems you are pained . Little do you know that Balogun existed before 18th century. You hardly give references but instead you use vulgar words on people ,simply because of facts that you are not able to contest...Go study harder to know Edos are under Yoruba Race.

Obalufon:
sorry bro ..i was referring to prolog2 pussy merchant AKA Oviedo that david shit head nazee

I know!

prolog2:
He is at a more advanced stage of history rewriting, he has gone completely crazy !

Archeological findings can't be rewritten because of evidence that comes along with it. Obalufon, mistake doesn't mean I am your ally...I forbid people like you that involve in rewriting Yoruba –Bini history. You and others like you are the rebels here and must be made to read the fact with historical evidence. I support you not .Period.

Obalufon:
stop adverting primitive art

What primitive Art?

gregyboy:
Dont twist history am an historian its spelt baale not ba ile
And again ogie means royalty go on goggle search it out ogiso( royal from sky)
U havnt still told me how d word oba originated or the meaning ...hmm? And how come most yoruba revered oduduwa than rulers who ruled before him?


This were it connect oromiyan came as a representative of his father he came couldnt speak d language couldnt fight his uncle ogiemen
Left with anger leaving his son behind to understand the language and d pple so he could rule ...d boy grew up fought ogiemen and suceeded he got to the throne ...it was a new era of change he took a title cunned from the word ó ba meaning (shinning or white) the benins call white clothing ba(white) so oba means its whitnen or shinning.... The oba became his title and represented him as a king and ogie remained royalty
As he conqured territories the word oba spreaded to yoruba nations and they adopted it for the word royalty and the thier various title along.
So you can simply say as collectively all yoruba obas are in a meeting but the ooni of ife is not among.
And u can say all ogies are having meeting but the oba of benin is not around ...so one is a title the other collective noun..according to the report in the early 90s no yorubas monarch use the word oba nor even had a crown on thier head or beeds on thier neck except the oba of benin

Now you see benin own both the izoduwa and the word oba if you still doubt these then other tribe who reads this will definately see the truth in it

You make me hysterically reading this because being an historian could either be you have love for it or no alternative . But truthfully, if you are an historian,then you have blundered because you can't claim authority on a language cant speak the dialectic one but central one , that is if you are able to do. Do you not know every language on planet Earth has her lexicon? What about the etymology? To study history is a piece out of it all as it regard human history. I will advice not thread on what you have no knowledge on. Can you even place accent on each word in yoruba to accurately get the pronounciation? For your information; Bâ(father),Bàalè/Bà'lè(husband), Bàalé/Bà'lé(Duke).

If it was rightfully yorubas i bet yoruba would use omo n oba to refer to thier prince instead of thier various names like aremo...

Tell me where yoruba used oba before 19c and i will show benins used in 14c[/quote]If we say you don't know Yorubas, you will engage us? Omo oba is general term for princes and princesses. While, Aremo was only used and use by Oyo . Aremo naturally was the first male son of any reigning Oyo king and few other Yoruba Kings. Being an Aremo in ancient Oyo has a lot attached to it. This just showed, you work on yourself to learn more about Yorubas. I just educated you on it

prolog2:
And you were there to witness it all (time travel much ?)
FYI: you were also there to witness the emptyness of Lagos before awori arrival ?
Also, you were there to witness the existance of oduduwa ?


Yoruba low self esteem as usual, rewriting o history is yoruba national sports.
It is very weird that the same yoruba who says a lot of things without proof also goes on to say that Edo need to prove their claims.
Can any of you yoruba-centric foools prove that Omo n'Oba n'Edo originates from ife ?
An other irony is that the fellow accusing Edo people of having a "story pregnant with fables" is the same who brings up a mythical figure "Oranmiyan" into a serious conversation.


Let me repete this to you yoruba lots. You are highly misguided and your efforts to deny your history is pushing you into madness !
Nobody originates from ife. Ife is just one small village/kingdom which had a shrine and that is all. Don't take my word for it, look at the precolonial maps. Also stop talking about "Edo-story". The documents I keep bringing are historical documents (made in the same period as the events they describe). We Edo are being objective and proving each of our points. Yet you yoruba madmen are still tcalling this Edo-opinion while you keep telling stories with no proof and confusing fairytales with actual history.

Reality check:


Benin Kingdom:

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b77595185.r=Benin?rk=21459;2

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b7759521n.r=Benin?rk=21459;2

An other map of Benin made in the 17th century once again:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b530530714.r=Benin?rk=214593;2

An other map of Benin from the 17th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin?rk=193134;0

This one date to the 19th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8469390z/f1.item.r=Benin.zoom




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rp8flCwvoAU

Were you there to witness how Bini fought Aworis? How come Oba of Lagos Island bore bears Yoruba names all through? You are a bloody clown. Do you even know the meaning Ologun Kutèrè? Do you even know Olu has no etymology in Bini ? You are chronic liar.

prolog2:
My great Oba, please just give us the order. Let the Benin imperial army be back. Let us take back our vassals.

Just imaging a childless thought with no value? Another lie about Bini standing Army? Which standing army that you couldn't even fight Herdsmen without guns in Bini,when Cattle overran some schools in Edo? So pathetic. Go do your research on how Yoruba have been dealing with them. Ask what Yoruba did to the non law abiding ones in Ile Ife, Akure ,Ekiti etc Yoruba don't need federal assistance on such issues because we can defend ourselves. Although, nobody really want war but if it happens, Yoruba will defend her country. Have you even seen Oduacoin? This is to show,the mindsets of average genuine Yorubas. It is you that rant online about Edo only and nothing to show for her growth. And here you are claiming what didn't happen in the past because Prince Henry of Portugal, the navigator, was the one that had to launch expeditions to sail beyond the West Coast of Africa to discover a new route to India. Aided by the Papal Bulls of the 1450s, which had secured their rights to the African Coasts, the Portuguese had by 1480, completed their exploration of the West Coast and were able to settle down to its fruits "mainly in gold from Mina and PEPPERS from BINI.
You are a bloody peppers seller in 14–15 century. Yoruba nation far far ahead of You. This is another fit of Yorubas. We don't rant because we work.
Behold ODUACOIN

gregyboy:
Silly question.....if an ogiemen linage decides to give his son obasohan woukd you stoo him or do u want me to tell you a lie that i know ...if wanna use ogiemen for your point dont forget oba gave other territories under it different title like olu of waari,obi of onitsha etc this is to show oba for himself collectively they all obas to thier respective zones...this is simple english

I can see.....You see Ogiamen naturally detests Oba Bini and forceful take over of their territory...Little do you know that Bini has lineages with peculiar names associated with them.

gregyboy:
Silly question.....if an ogiemen linage decides to give his son obasohan woukd you stoo him or do u want me to tell you a lie that i know ...if wanna use ogiemen for your point dont forget oba gave other territories under it different title like olu of waari,obi of onitsha etc this is to show oba for himself collectively they all obas to thier respective zones...this is simple english

I can see.....You see Ogiamen naturally detests Oba Bini and forceful take over of their territory...Little do you know that Bini has lineages with peculiar names associated with them.


Obi of Onitsha indeed! Did I read you claim Olu? Do you even know what Olu mean? Is it a Bini word?

gregyboy:
If we wanna talk use the yoruba dont use the word oba compare to edo state particularly benin just forget useage we have the words in our names in our social activities ,in our parable everything

Funny enough, I thought the only set of people that bear names thats is related to kingly lineage, uses “Oba" as a prefix or suffix to their names. Least I forget, Bini history,acknowledged a lot slaves that rose up to the position of Iyatse. This showed there were many people who may not even be of Edo ancestry ,from historical account. We really want to know if there are people who are of Ogiemien descendants that bore or bear “Oba" as prefix or suffix, to their names,in the ancient times or present day ?

davidnazee:
"a section of Ekiti historians like Atolagbe who adduced to the pre-eminence of Oore as the most senior Yoruba and Ekiti Oba was linked to the fact that Oore signed the 1886 peace treaty which the British coordinated with Alaafin of Oyo and the Oowa Obokun amongst others. The Oba of Benin was also made to enter into treaty with the Alaafin of Oyo. Under this treaty, the Oba of Benin would have Ekiti, Ondo, Edo and other parts of his traditional areas of influence as part of Benin zone of influence, and it would be free of Oyo territorial incursions, while the Alaafin of Oyo would have the Western and Northern Yoruba territories"

Show others and I the treaty signed between Oyo Empire and Bini Kingdom that you so claimed?
Your imagination is beyond redemption . And your lies are unequalled.

OlaoChi:
There is no point engaging in a baseless argument. I have read all this thrashed out on this same forum for years but it ends in the same result - Middle east connection has no basis in the traditions of the people

Well, I agree with you if it's baseless on your part not to write anything about it because you and some other Yorubas online seem too attached to streamlining the truth about researches on Yoruba history's. Others and I have seen many names and words that do not only sound alike but same meaning which are enrooted in semitic. Such names and words that predates Islam or Christianity in Yoruba land . The Yoruba art was not like any other in West Africa. The mastery of nature's and herbology was outstanding. What about coordinated Kingly(monarchial system?) . If you don't believe and not willing do research on Yoruba, then read through a forum like this and skip to others instead of condemning researched works.Mind you ,here are some names of Semitic Origin outside many others, you probably use daily or see some youbas uses them. Even some you can't use ,except in dialects. Ponder on these and research them.

Yoruba Semitc
Àará Ar-Ra-ad Thunder
Alaaiye Al-Hayyz Alive
Àanu Hannon Mercy
Ada(mo) Adam Created from earth
Bi B Birth
Ina An-nar Fire
Odun I'd Festival
Baalè/Baalé Baal Husband/Lord overall
IFa Ephod Oracle
Ogún Og(gwg) Warrior/man of valour

Do you know Jerusalem (Ursalem) have same ancient meaning with Yoruba “Ilé osa mi"? Land of my God/ Ancestor?
Till today,the western researchers kept doing work on human possible migration pattern and human history,but here we are with someone like you refuses to explore ,every possibility of who and why Yorubas are people with such uniqueness.

Cheers

OlaoChi:
What makes a claim that has no basis in Yoruba traditions "authentic"

Now it's Midyan not Mecca?

And what make you think the three IFE that existed, happened in Southwest Nigeria?

1. The history of Ife can also be chronologically divided into three periods: The first Ife was known as Ife Oodaye, Ile owuro, ibiti oju ti mo, that is, the land of most ancient days where the dawn of the day was first experienced


2.The second Ife was called Ife Ooyelagbo, that is, the city of the survivors. Tradition maintains that the second Ife lasted until the arrival of some strangers who entered the city of Ile-Ife from the “East”


3.The third Ife is called Ile-Ife founded with the arrival of Oduduwa and his groups. It is believed that Oduduwa, the founder of the Yoruba raced emerged after the deluge, he (Oduduwa) and his followers descended on to dry land by means of chain ropes from their life boat (hence the saying Oduduwa afi won ron). And later anchored on Oke-Ora (Oranfe Hill) between Ile-Ife and Itagunmodi on the Ife-Ilesa road, from where they came to Moore quarter in Ile-Ife.


Can you proof these info above as not wrong, since you believed the “authentic tradition of Yoruba", that even affirmed to the info above?

RedboneSmith:
I think it will be anachronistic to say the skeleton found at Iwo Eleru belonged to a Yoruba man. For one, archaeologists have discovered that the skeleton belonged to a primitive forerunner of modern humans. It's like saying the remains of the Cro-Magnon man found in France belonged to a Frenchman.

Seconded......

prolog2:
wtf ?
Are you retarded ?
So basically facts don't matter, people should vote in what the truth is ?
wtf ?
Just for your information I am the guy here who refuses to join illogical debates.
There is something with you yorubas that you must drag anything into illogical territory.

So ,if a white historian interviewed the Dahomey group, and wrote about such kingdom's strength and weakness, will such information be biased?
As long as some Oviedo guys like you come online and rant and say all sort of lies to gain recognition about a poor Igodomigodo that a Yoruba man went and took over her and made her Yoruba territory. We will continue to correct your incoherent information. Below was the history of Dahomey written by a white man so also the tributaries paid by Dahomey King to OYO Empire.
Yoruba don't write such lies as some of you from Edo do.

BabaRamota1980:
Dont worry my brother.

Ekaladheran descendqnts we Yprubas need you to answer this question.

What did your hero do that led to him abandoning town? Why does an heir to igodomiogogdo throne abandon his own crown and go into forest, what was his problem?

I wonder oooo my dear bro. Silly liars are these Ekerlehadan story tellers.

Moneywomen17:
when we say Oyo Empire extend as far adventure Ghana and oyo defeated the Ashanti they say we are lying. A Ghana source not written by Yoruba shows that it was the power of Oyo Empire that defeated their Ashanti kingdom. Soon they will say it’s yoruba that wrote it https://www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/NewsArchive/Asante-History-Akyem-Abuakwa-And-Dagomba-Wars-271133

You are correct .

Obalufon:
ilorin was not even Fulani war it was Yoruba Muslim fighting Yoruba Yoruba themselves made alimi chief imam of florin.... it was 19 century 1845

Around 1822,clapperton came to Oyo Ile to meet Alaafin. And between 1823–1824, Afonja invaded Oyo Ile with his mercenaries and got killed around 1825. This had nothing to do with Islam at first but later turned to Islam against Yoruba beliefs. And eventually, Abdul Khadri,who was Alimi son, became teacher in Ilorin and tried to use Yoruba language to persuade people of Ilorin as being same people because his mother who was a Yoruba woman. But Abdul Khadri Jihad could not subdued Yoruba Land, because all the Yorubas during that era realized, the war was against their history, faith and kingdom. They fought with all their strength and God gave them victory.

BabaRamota1980:


Just getting back from ban...this thread has advanced.

Has Edo answered on the questions of foreign influence in their monarchy...or are they still trying to find Ekalderhan the lost Idogomigodo legend?

They have no answer ooo. They claimed Ekaherladan or whatever name he was called but not Odua, which is a bloody lie,who could not fight for his father's right and died in Ughotan. And the same Bini hierarchy were the same that said Oranmiyan was the first to had rode on house....Bunch of liars.

BabaRamota1980:


Just getting back from ban...this thread has advanced.

Has Edo answered on the questions of foreign influence in their monarchy...or are they still trying to find Ekalderhan the lost Idogomigodo legend?

They have no answer ooo. They claimed Ekaherladan or whatever name he was called but not Odua,which is a bloody lie, who could not fight for his father's right and died in Ughotan. And the same Bini hierarchy were the same that said Oranmiyan was the first to had rode on house....Bunch of liars.

BajanGoingHome:
I mentioned Cuba and Puerto Rico. Latin America is more Yoruba to be more general

My mistake on the ones you didn't mention. Great effort .

All the best.

gregyboy:
12c my foot .....lie...lie....lie .....a kingdom that was birthed 12c made this tell me profound lies and i believe .....

12c was when yoruba history started from i guess no clothes no beeds probably then now you want to claim this 12c joker lie with fact guy

So, you don't known that many of these artifacts have been tested . And the radiocarbon of these artifacts provided the info we give online....If a Yoruba son( Oranmiyan) didnt impregnated Edo girl around late 11th century, how would Bini exist?..No time again to engage you anymore.

BajanGoingHome:
A lot of ignorance earlier in the thread. Barbados is a majority igbo descent island. Language to certain cultural things point to Igbo. Is the truth now. Trinidad, Grenada, Cuba, Puerto Rico and Dominican republic are examples of Yoruba islands.

You didn't mention Puerto Rico,Brazil,Cuba, Colombia etc ? You Will be amazed reading about the genetic composition of these people.

gregyboy:
What da hell is dat not dsame oduduwa d benin i told u not to use apart from him is there anoda

Prove me wrong yoruba never wore beed till d 18c apart from izoduwa ekaladeran if its a lie prove with an artefact dat proves otherwise apart from oduduwa statue

Are you so uneducated? Does the picture I posted look like Odua?That picture was around 12th century........You are not worth the stress.