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OlaoChi:
And what about lesbianism?
Obinrin bi okunrin is the closest reference I can think of but even that is not a pure reference

Obinrin bi Okunrin in Yoruba terminology means; a woman who has the prowess of a man. For instance, Regent Ooni Luwô( female descendant of Odudua that became the maternal ancestor of Oluiwo),Efunsétan Aniwura, Erelu Kuti, Funmilayo Kuti(fela's mother), madam Tinubu, etc were exceptional women with such fit.. There was nothing like Adodi in ancient time or adofuro because, all these are new in Yoruba land. Some historians ,always intend to create chaotic thesis for argument sake. Book written in regard to the imaginary homosexual are just founded within the proper Yoruba tradition.

bintin001:
I'd like to make the following points:

1) Just because a word exists in a language does not necessarily mean it is descriptive of the people or their actions. The word "Oyinbo" proves my point--it exists the Yoruba language but is definitely not descriptive of the people or anything related to them.

2) It is very likely that gods--orishas like sango were homosexuals. BUT they're certainly not of the seed of man! NOT human. Orishas descended from heaven...

3)... homosexuals are not human--not of the seed of man(at least those who initiated it and taught it to man)...as evidenced in the bible: fallen angels, the men of Sodom and Gomorrah who wanted to have sex with angels who came in the form of man; fallen angels depicted in Greek mythology(Titans) were a product of beings who descended from heaven and man.

Moreso, contemporary culture also depicts aliens(fallen angels) as people who like to probe the anus...pretty glaring! :/


It's well established that homosexuals are not of the seed of man. So yeah, it's quite likely sango was a homosexual being, but that does not support a claim that it's of Yoruba.

Sango was not Homosexual.

Obalufon:
david na zee you dey desperate pass ibo man ..you be half ibo and half edo abi spinning jokes like a comedian do research stop fabricating stories out of your deluded mind

Olaochi is not that liar known as davidnazee. Kindly don't mix 'em up..

gregyboy:
Show me a 15c picture of artefact dat prove so apart from oduduwa yorubas never wore beads nor white clothes u all probably imitated it in d early 18c what u had was adire

Are you kidding? Below is one of Ooni's sculpture ,who wore beads like a proper exposed/civilised superior King. I am sure you have nothing close to it. A handsome Ooni to behold . A classic Art that's not comparable to Edo's learner alike. Yoruba ni Ba yín( Yoruba is your father).

Reelectbuhari:
Sango is gay and orunmila is lesbian

then after decades and centuries

their proud children like bobrisky, bisi alimi are touring the paths of their ancestors........


God forbid.....how can someones ancestors like ass.....heeeeeeee

Are you for real? I have seen another clownish being again on NL. Can a man be LESBIAN? May be I don't understand English anymore. Kindly explain, how can a man (Orunmila) be Lesbian....? .
Lord have mercy on Reelectbuhari.No wonder , your monicker speaks well of your information

Reelectbuhari:
u are far from history

far from history? Where are you from? Do you want to know Óshó ju Iya Óshó lô? If you know ,exact or core Yoruba enclave, that such is practised, kindly mention it.

HeWrites:
A Ghanaian LGBT historian took to her twitter TL to share a research paper released by a Nigerian that suggested that homosexuality reigned supreme in Yorubaland pre-colonialism.

Read what she shared below;
"Homosexuality wasn't alien to pre-colonial Yoruba societies. Cross-dressing Sango initiates, a tale of how Orunmila was conceived through lesbian sex & proverbs describing homosexual intercourse defy arguments that homosexuality was introduced by the white man into Yoruba society"

Culled from; https://www.torimill.com/2018/05/homosexuality-wasnt-alien-to-pre-colonial-yoruba-sango-was-a-cross-dresser-historian.html

Lalasticlala Mynd44 Dominique

Historically, Yoruba didn't accept LGBT in the past in her communities or country though it may exist . But,naturally, such practices were aliens to Yorubas because, every ancient Yoruba family who were freeborn believed God is the owner of all children as well as humans. All they had were some consecrated men that were eunuch due to priesthood purpose or became eunuch to serve a Yoruba king. Some kings could have as much 70 eunuch to do his bidding. LGBT was a taboo and still a taboo in Yoruba land. In fact, I have come across one Yoruba chap and naturally he was never comfortable seeing people looking at him because of his thought of the stigma attached to it. And the stigma attached to LGBT in Yoruba land will not die because of the conservative nature to the lifestyle of these people. And sango being a crossed dresser has nothing to do with Yorubas as accepting homosexual in her country because in the olden days, all form of dressing was close to skirt like clothing worn by men but not as long as women's.

davidnazee:
If it’s true you are actually descendant of Oduduwa/Izoduwa/Ekhaladeran then I can authoritatively tell you that you are an Edo man. An Edo man that is lost and roaming in Yorubalands. You should come to Benin let’s take you through the spiritual and cleansing rites.

On the other hand what is this your craze about Oviedo and Omo Edo for?
In Edo language we have different words for baby, child, kid, children.. maybe yorubas use just one word for all of them.

Omo is Edo word and it means child.
Oviedo means Edo person.
Ibieka means children
Ovokhan means young child/kid
Omomo means baby

Oviedo is a phrase not a word. If u remove the Edo, Oviee is still a phrase not a word. It means his child, or her child or someone’s child.

The Edo language is unique that’s why it’s difficult to learn easily unlike Yoruba that is a collection of borrowed words..

I’m educating you on these because you said you are an Edo man. A lost one.

Just imaging the incoherent you wrote again? Do you not know, in standard English,you can't infer in this manner when refering to tribe's citizen, as, “Edo person"?What's “Edo person"? But Edo descendant/Edo citizen. Oviedo strictly mean a descendant of Edo .And Oviedo doesn't necessarily mean “a child of Edo" in a literary form you try to inform us about it but man/woman of Edo ancestry . Laugh wan kill me here......This same goes for the term, “Omo Yoruba" as Yoruba descendant and also used to refer to a child. Yoruba owns the word “omo"(child) . For example; omo pupa( light skin child),omodè(young child) omo ikòkò(baby), omomí( my child) etc. And this just showed you borrowed the word from Yoruba land. So also Itsé that Edo borrowed ,which is pronounce as asé. In fact, Edos do not know the efficacy of âsé with its deep spiritual undertone.Yes, I know Edos have many confusioning words,which is the reason,the language is going to extinction. Enjoy the bitter truth.

FeelDeMusic:
Hi all,

So I sometimes come across the name Luwabi here on NL when I'm reading cultural or religious threads. According to the people who write about him he was a famous Yoruba person who... umm..... was wise and had an impact on Yoruba civilization somehow? I really have no idea as their descriptions of him seem vague. So I want to know what you guys who are knowledgeable about this know about him. Thanks!

Luwabi is a name that Yoruba used in the past to acknowledged the well behaved individual with an outstanding character devoid of evil. Oluwabi –Oluiwabi, simply mean, ‘born of lord with outstanding/adorable character'. Apart from this, there was an Awujale of Ijebu,who bore a name close to it. He was referred to as ‘Oluiwa' . And in some peculiar instance, Yoruba Oba (Kings) are referred to as Oluwami(My lord with adorable character). This is the closest to my understanding

Hati13:
Understood. Is the option of combining them together only when it written in Latin script or can be used also in other scripts?

It can be used either way.

Moorish:
Will DM you

mail me: xylovoice AT gmail.com

steveosaz:
Wake up from your hallucinations. Odu to da uwa is pure crap, but if you say you have worked it out as an answer to your oduduwa disjointed narrative, then so be it.

So you dubiously now hide under not wanting to learn a minority language. Meanwhile you had been creating the fraudulent impression that Edo was Yoruba and that was what propelled you to pointlessly ask what the oriki of Ekaladerhan was. That's practically the most insane thing I've heard. Its like you asking what the oriki of an English name is; doesn't that just sound silly?

You also baselessly claimed elsewhere that oduduwa is your direct ancestor. What a joke? So Lamurudu is also your ancestor abi? And what happened to the version of Yoruba history that has it that oduduwa originated from the middles east via Egypt? Or the laughable tale of him coming from the sky? So with that fraud you call history, that should imply that all of Yoruba race are from that your infinitesimal lineage... Lol. Guy, you are such a huge ass joke. All what you guys have been doing here in the name of history is just a comedy of errors.

Even as fallacious as some mythologies are, we've still seen Hollywood do adaptation of them mainly the Greek and Egyptian mythologies. But I haven't seen any such adaptation from Hollywood of those useless stories you people have been touting around all these years. That's because they don't appeal to common sense and reason.

Oviedo (child of Edo),you want to engage me,I will do you this last time . You see, most of you who claim to have knowledge on Bini history online ,but you are far from it as it regard Oba Bini .Was I the one or any Yoruba person that claimed Oranmiyan was the first that rode on horse? Honestly, Ignorance is a big problem for you because you sit in your tiny enclave and boast when in real life ,you are not reckon with in your folklore. You think, I will stoop so low and lie about my ancestry? Many of us aren't liars like you. In fact,I wouldn't do this online if not because liars like you exist beyond control and we need nib on the board before it get outta hand. Isn't it silly on your part that you used heavy vulgar words on my personality but in real ,you may not even be able to engage me verbally because such opportunity won't arise. This has nothing to do with wealth or pride but humane characteristics, which you lacked. Perhaps, you haven't read such before but you can read it again and digest it that you have met one person online, who is one of the direct descendant of Odudua. In fact , a direct patrilineal lineage son of Oranmiyan..... As I write this, know it that my own future descendant can be Ooni. Can't you see I am greater than Oba Bini that felt comfortable at visiting the exalted throne of Odua,which Oranmiyan and his descendants from ILE IFE has sustained for over a 1000 years?


Bitter truth is what I just handed down to you!

Moorish:
I spat my tea out when I read that

You my dude bro

Sorry about that bro. Just representing Oranmiyan the way he conquered Igodomigodo. Even if we don't wage war anymore, at least ,we must protect the path of truth always.

Moorish:
Alot of the benin claims sound dodgy

piece by piece I am starting to rethink what I once believed..

growing up in your territory I was force fed this story by your people that you originated our monarchy and kingdom

But you cannot tell me why

1. Igodomigodo changed to ile ibinu
2. Heads of dead obas being buried in ife
3. Ogiso dynasty being replaced by oba dynasty

and the article about benin's first exposure to horses being when oranmiyan entered benin

and the sculpture

No smoke without fire

@olu317, we need to do more work in bringing this historical truth to light

@davidnazee I try to be a gentleman. I do not feel like exchanging pleasantries right now. Call me whatever you want, dawg..

@davidnazee You are still my brother. An african. I am not clannish

Moorish,there is no problem bro. Working with you will be with pleasure.

Cheers.

davidnazee:
"The Ogedengbe of Ilesha having conquered the town of Idoani and defeated the Oras in north-west of Benin Empire, contemplated an invasion of Benin City.61 A contingent of the Benin Army under the command of Ebohon, halted the advance of Ilesha soldiers at Irhuekpen, near Ehor, the border town between Benin Kingdom and Esan chiefdoms in the north of the Kingdom. The Ilesha soldiers were defeated and the Ogedengbe killed"

See lies from pit of hell. The picture below was Ogedengbe after kiriji war. This picture was taken after 1900. Oba Ovonweren was. begging him and his co warriors with females gift to leave his kingdom.

davidnazee:
"The Ogedengbe of Ilesha having conquered the town of Idoani and defeated the Oras in north-west of Benin Empire, contemplated an invasion of Benin City.61 A contingent of the Benin Army under the command of Ebohon, halted the advance of Ilesha soldiers at Irhuekpen, near Ehor, the border town between Benin Kingdom and Esan chiefdoms in the north of the Kingdom. The Ilesha soldiers were defeated and the Ogedengbe killed"

See lies from pit of hell. The picture below was Ogedengbe after kiriji war. This picture was taken after 1900. Oba Ovonweren was. begging him and his co warriors with females gift to leave his kingdom. How can you kill a man that was born in 1822, who lived through and died in 1910.

davidnazee:
"The Ogedengbe of Ilesha having conquered the town of Idoani and defeated the Oras in north-west of Benin Empire, contemplated an invasion of Benin City.61 A contingent of the Benin Army under the command of Ebohon, halted the advance of Ilesha soldiers at Irhuekpen, near Ehor, the border town between Benin Kingdom and Esan chiefdoms in the north of the Kingdom. The Ilesha soldiers were defeated and the Ogedengbe killed"

See lies from pit of hell. The picture below was Ogedengbe after kiriji war. This picture was taken after 1900. Oba Ovonweren was. begging him and his co warriors with females gift to leave his kingdom.

davidnazee:
"The Ogedengbe of Ilesha having conquered the town of Idoani and defeated the Oras in north-west of Benin Empire, contemplated an invasion of Benin City.61 A contingent of the Benin Army under the command of Ebohon, halted the advance of Ilesha soldiers at Irhuekpen, near Ehor, the border town between Benin Kingdom and Esan chiefdoms in the north of the Kingdom. The Ilesha soldiers were defeated and the Ogedengbe killed"

See lies from pit of hell. The picture below was Ogedengbe after kiriji war. This picture was taken after 1900. Oba Ovonweren was. begging him and his co warriors with females gift to leave his kingdom. How can you kill a man that was born in 1822, who lived through and died in 1910.

davidnazee:
"The Ogedengbe of Ilesha having conquered the town of Idoani and defeated the Oras in north-west of Benin Empire, contemplated an invasion of Benin City.61 A contingent of the Benin Army under the command of Ebohon, halted the advance of Ilesha soldiers at Irhuekpen, near Ehor, the border town between Benin Kingdom and Esan chiefdoms in the north of the Kingdom. The Ilesha soldiers were defeated and the Ogedengbe killed"

See lies from pit of hell. The picture below was Ogedengbe after kiriji war. This picture was taken after 1900. Oba Ovonramwen was begging him and his co warriors with females gift to leave his kingdom. How can Oba Ovonramwen who was in house arrest in 1898 kill a man that was born in 1822, who lived though and died in 1920?

davidnazee:
"The Ogedengbe of Ilesha having conquered the town of Idoani and defeated the Oras in north-west of Benin Empire, contemplated an invasion of Benin City.61 A contingent of the Benin Army under the command of Ebohon, halted the advance of Ilesha soldiers at Irhuekpen, near Ehor, the border town between Benin Kingdom and Esan chiefdoms in the north of the Kingdom. The Ilesha soldiers were defeated and the Ogedengbe killed"

See lies from pit of hell. The picture below was Ogedengbe after kiriji war. This picture was taken after 1900. Oba Ovonramwen was begging him and his co warriors with females gift to leave his kingdom. How can Oba Ovonramwen who was in house arrest in 1898 kill a man that was born in 1822, who lived through and died in 1910?

According to BBC Bitesize - The kingdom of Benin
www.bbc.co.uk › guides
The Edo people feared that their country would fall into chaos, so they asked their neighbour, the King of Ife, for help. The king sent his son Prince Oranmiyan to restore peace to the Edo kingdom. Oranmiyan ....

Look at Edo people's lives that Oranmiyan was the first man that rode on Horse in Igodomigodo.

This brass below figure is believed to be Prince Oranmiyan. Edo legend says that no one in Benin had ever seen a horse before Oranmiyan arrived!

davidnazee:
You Yoruba guys make me laugh. The only people you deceive with your lies and fake history is your own fellow Yorubas, just the way the only people Oyo conquered and sold into slavery was their own fellow Yoruba brothers and sisters.

Go and research Benin Yoruba wars, only articles you will find is about Benin military campaigns in Eastern Yorubalands, defeating all yoruba armies that stood against it.. Even your Ogedengbe of Ilesha that tried to march on Benin was defeated and beheaded at Ehor.

Where in Eastern Yorubaland?My ancestors chased you backward to your enclave. In fact, you chiefs manoeuvre the king's brain to use human sacrifice so as to appease the gods. This still failed. I mock you

davidnazee:
You Yoruba guys make me laugh. The only people you deceive with your lies and fake history is your own fellow Yorubas, just the way the only people Oyo conquered and sold into slavery was their own fellow Yoruba brothers and sisters.

Go and research Benin Yoruba wars, only articles you will find is about Benin military campaigns in Eastern Yorubalands, defeating all yoruba armies that stood against it.. Even your Ogedengbe of Ilesha that tried to march on Benin was defeated and beheaded at Ehor.

Where in Eastern Yorubaland?My ancestors chased you backward to your enclave. In fact, your with deceitful chiefs manoeuvre the king's brain to use human sacrifice so as to appease the gods. This still failed. I mock you

Moorish:
@olu317

Bro, I am planning some projects regarding our histories..

I would love to trade ideas with you..

How can I hit you up??

Are you interested?

No problem. But I will like to refer you to absolutesuccess and metaphysical also

Moorish:
Bro, do not allow some clannish people make you hateful to a fellow african empire

I respect all our empires.

From kush to mali

kongo to great zimbabwe

nri and zaria

No man is an island

I have no love lust for anyone,even if its not about African Kingdoms or Empires. But I won't allow a young person tell lies about my ancestors. This is my point.

Moorish:
I read somwhere that we tried to crush them 3 times, but their moat walls repelled our cavalry

Benin also had a formidable army oh. The oba could organize 30,000 men at any one time for battle. The itshekiri helped them take lagos island, they made up the naval force apparently

Oyo controlled badagry. We also had the whole republic of benin (dahomey), so we had the ports in porto-novo and contonou.. so we didnt need to take lagos island yet

Study Angus Mcbride, he showed benin militia.. They had nice head armors, spears and nice swords

Oyo did have good swords too, but I do not know anything about our body armour..

do you have any info on this I need this info

There are accounts on Yoruba history but like I had mentioned before,Oyo didn't attack Bini. But Dahomey , yes Oyo did. And Dahomey defeat of Oyo was because Oyo had collapse, which due to internal wars within Yoruba camps.

Moneywomen17:
was about to just reply him but glad u did. Name like oluwaseun lord I thank u and others are proper Yoruba name. Osu means lord every Yoruba knows that except edo who doesn’t speak the language

Don't mind him that Edo liar.



Cheers

Moorish:
"1823 King Ghezo defeats the Oyo Empire and ends tributary status"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahomey

I don't think you can come back from this intellectual defeat

How can you imagine,an Edo man,who had no knowledge of the reason, Dahomey changed her name ? These people that could not defeat Attah of Ebirra,are the ones claiming to have conquered Dahomey? These Oviedos are bunch of jokes.

Moorish:
Bro, i dont hate benin. It was a mighty empire. But we were equally mighty.

In fact, oyo controlled more land mass then benin.

Dahomey was paying tribute to alafin for centuries

Dahomey! A whole F*cking country!!! That is present day republic of benin.

Oyo was truly great.

We tried to conquer benin 3 times. We failed because of the moat on their great walls.

And we know horses and moat don't like one another

Clever benin defences sha

Yoruba didn't try to capture Bini because she was baby to the larger Yoruba States . A struggling descendants of Oranmiyan couldnt have attacked . Princes dont fight themselves except in those era. Their crowns are their identities. As it was in the beginning that Oranmiyan captured Igodomigod , Bini had always been seen as a cousin to Yoruba. And again, Oyo was the major Empire, while some provinces and states paid tributary to Oyo. And these people did this because of the military might and organization of Oyo.

prolog2:
Now prove your claim of "Olu" being a "yoruba word".
You guys are so funny, because yoruba are aware of the word and use it, to you that automatically makes it a "yoruba word".
You don't even care to ask yourselves how many different peoples use the word. Your people using the word doesn't translate in the word belonging to your people !

My real name is Olu......, and I am an absolute blown Yoruba blood. Oh let me add to it, Olu means ‘Lord'. Again ,go to Itsekiri thread and read about their ancestors. And, what does Olu mean in Edo ? That is it .

Moorish:
My brothers from benin. We need not insult one another

@steveosaz and @prolog2

If you can give me definitive answers to these questions, then I am sure we can agree on scholarly truth

1. Why did igodomigodo change to Ile Ibinu
2. Why did Ogiso dynasty change to oba dynasty
3. Why were dead Benin kings buried in ife?

Number 3 is very weird and the benin theory does not add up. So a benin monarch (Ekaladerhan) died in a foreign land (ife) which he now rules. So now, his sons we reign in his homeland(benin) must be buried in ife the foreign land?? even up to 10 generations? I think it was oba ewuare who ended this tradition.

It does not sound reasonable. If your story was the truth, even odduduwa would have been buried in benin, and subsequent kings of benin would also be buried in benin.

Help me tell the Edo haters. In fact, the was study on the burial sites of some of Oduduwa descendants,which had particular burial pattern. Help us ask them,what was the way past Ogisos were buried?

steveosaz:
Your lack of common sense is what prevented you from realizing that Edo is not Yoruba and so your theory of oriki is absolutely nonsensical and insane.

For your information, Izoduwa means I choose the path of wealth. If in all you claim to know about the Edos, you cannot even know what a simple Izoduwa means, then that again confirms you to be a thieving, dishonest historian.Stop creating phantom confusions anywhere, the Edo records are very ear. Unlike the usellly disjointed rubbish you people keep fishing out.

Just imagine what this one is typing? How will I understand Ogiso language which some of the chiefly words are from Yoruba land? Why I even learn your language, when your language is economy friendly. In fact Ijaw language is more profitable when minority language needed be learned. If Izoduwa, is I choose path to wealth,how does it mean the same thing with Odu to da uwa? Izoduwa is on the Internet,so it is easy to know the meaning. What about what about Ekaladerhan? Imadowa? You really make me mock you. Ignorance is what you all have bought cheaply.

steveosaz:
Your lack of common sense is what prevented you from realizing that Edo is not Yoruba and so your theory of oriki is absolutely nonsensical and insane.

For your information, Izoduwa means I choose the path of wealth. If in all you claim to know about the Edos, you cannot even know what a simple Izoduwa means, then that again confirms you to be a thieving, dishonest historian.Stop creating phantom confusions anywhere, the Edo records are very ear. Unlike the usellly disjointed rubbish you people keep fishing out.

Just imagine what this one is typing? How will I understand Ogiso language which some of the chiefly words are from Yoruba land? Why I even learn your language, when your language is economy friendly. In fact Ijaw language is more profitable when minority language needed be learned. If Izoduwa, is I choose path to wealth,how does it mean the same thing with Odu to da uwa? Izoduwa is on the Internet,so it is easy to know the meaning. What about what about Ekaladerhan? Imadowa? You really make me mock you. Ignorance is what you all have bought cheaply.

steveosaz:
You've been beating your foolishness all over the place for too long. Oduduwa is a god to you Yorubas, but he is a son to the Bini.

We've told you and would continue to tell you, tell your story from your own perspective and keep off the story of others. You Yoruba are historical cannibals. Yoruba's are the only people in the whole world who do not know their history, but want to tell other peoples own.

Obviously, liars like you will continue to be emotionally attached to Olofin Odua who you all lied and claimed was IZODUWA / IMADODUWA. Which out of the names was your Ekeherladan's name? Oops! I have mentioned three names which are confusing. Are you not all revisionists? These names have no meaning in Yoruba language. The last time I checked , I am the man's descendant,whose descendant are you Mr? Can you know my ancestor more than his descendants and I ? Abeg ,whose is supposed to keep off if not you? Mr lecturer from kingdom of Edo, give me and others evidence that the claimed Odudua was from Igodomigodo. In fact, you Edos don't even know the name of the man ,with your name fabrication for him. Odua has Oriki,does your Izoduwa or whatever name you call him know anything called Oriki? Since, you know the man more than Yorubas, what does Izoduwa mean?

Let me list borrowed words by Edos–Bini Kingdom, to proof that the shared word came as result of the civilation you had through contact with yorubas:
Can you see your life?
Edo
1. Ozo/Ojo–a child born with placenter wrapped around his neck.
2. Okun –Sea
Ogun/Oguum–god of Iron
3. Oloi–first wife of Oba( confusionim at the highest order)Olori
4. Osafomé–God has released this to me(gave me)Osafunmi
5 Agan–Barren
6.Aye–world
7. Olokun- in Edo was said to have two version, which one is correct? Is it
There was a hunter that resided in
Urhonigbe ( near Benin City ) in Edo/Bini Kingdom or
In Evboesi , there was a boy named Omobe (rascal , troublesome child ) that had great physical ability and was trained to be a wrestler?
Edo revisionists online are 5 and 6 to lies.

jeffrey04:
please help me educate all these afonjas.
we all know the Urhobos have kings in every street and corner but we have just one Olu world wide

Quite disappointed with your bitterness towards Yorubas. Perhaps, I am wrong but the question I need ask you; Who do you refer/red to as Afonja on NL? Who do you think are truly your most ally despite the fact that many of your ancestors from Ode Itsekiri carries the bloodline of Afonja? Olu is a Yoruba word and Afonja was a Yoruba man. Do you think the Yorubas are the ones they need educate or the people engaging you over Iwerre?

Best of luck to you.

Moorish:
@metaphysical and @olu

What about the ekalahaderhan hypothesis ?

Ekalahaderhan isnt real because at least, a great warrior as claimed by Edos would know he had a way to worship God(Eledumare) in the ancient. They dont have anything as such as this in Edoland as regard Odua. Take for instance, Oranmiyan ancestral worship attached to him involves Ram( White precisely without blemish). Odua who was the ancestor of Oranmiyan was also attached to a ram sacrifice as well. For every Ooni, to be crowned ,ram is killed for him. How on earth didn't this happened during Ogiso dynasty?Do they want to lie again about this? These people are bunch of liars and not here to write out the truth simply because a controversial predecessor Oba was made to believed such fairy tale story as if less than 20,000 or more patrilineal descendants of Oranmiyan reside in Edoland can know more than the source at ILE IFE .

davidnazee:
I shake my head for ur lack of sense. Is there any mention of Yoruba on maps or is there mention of Yoruba empire?
Please argue with sense.

What does OVIEDO mean?Stop procrastination!

Moorish:
The questions benin folk must answer are 3 fold

We are learning, it is not about superiority, it is about truth

1. Why did igodomigodo change to Ile Ibinu
2. Why did Ogiso dynasty change to oba dynasty
3. Why were dead Benin kings buried in ife?

I am forced to conclude that it is because a foreign group entered the area and began ruling the conquered territory

The Edos online wouldn't answer you because, they have no answer. Many Urhobo were part of Edo community before they migrated toward their present location. And they had only one knowledge of a God called ; Oghéné. Where did Igodomigodo knew about Osá( Oosa/Urisa/Orisa/) which had been in time immemorial with Yorubas? For every word that was exported to Bini, the Edo tried to twist it to suit their folklores. Osá became Osanobua(God) , Olokun, a female goddess in Yoruba pantheon turned to male personality, when the tradition was introduced to Bini. The Edo went as far as claiming,two accounts for the existence of Olokun ,found in Edo. Yet,the Edo uses the terracotta head of the Olokun representative that was dug out in Ule Ufe as the same they use in Biniland. Who then was the reason for the other's civilization? Edo liars online need sheathe their sword and respect Yorubas. Even the Urhobo that share closely but distinct language with Edo find traces of shared words with Edos. The Edo usually referred to Ooni in a corrupt word as (Og)hene which was around 12th–13th century upward until and even by the time they met the Portuguese explorers in 15th century. And this is the same name adopted for God in today's Urhobo land that has been turned to Oghéné as God,which showed Edos were copycat cum revisionists of yoruba words for Owner over all and land .Ooni( Oghene) had no etymology in Igodomigodo until Yoruba arrived. The Edos stylishly tried to cover this up ,out of hatred. Little did the present day Edos online knew John Alfonso d'Aveiro documented that part of history as the Oba of Bini referred to his ancestor as Oghene ( Orni–Ooni) as his father.
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