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Winters22:
thanks a lot.
are there any Chadic languages spoken in Benin? I came across it somewhere

Your question is tricky because I am not sure if person you quoted knew if you were referring to Bénin Republic or Bini/Benin in Nigeria?, It must said here that both do have settlers but Republic of Bénin has Hausa settlement more, with a probable 1,000,000 + population. If you also referred to Bini, there are also fringes of their movement to that direction to Akoko Edo in Nigeria, but insignificant, if one considered, the Auchi people,with link to Nupe/Hausa/Yoruba through Islam and migration for greener pasture. One can say, they exist but on a new identity. And if indeed, you want to write anything on Hausa in Bénin Republic, then ,you need visit the Northern part of Bénin Republic , where you will find them mixed up with Baruba/Borgu people.
The screenshot below will be of a help to you.

Winters22:
thanks a lot.
are there any Chadic languages spoken in Benin? I came across it somewhere

Your question is tricky because I am not sure if person you quoted knew if you were referring to Bénin Republic or Bini/Benin in Nigeria?, It must said here that both do have settlers but Republic of Bénin has Hausa settlement more, with a probable 1,000,000 + population. If you also referred to Bini, there are also fringes of their settlement in Bini Nigeria, but insignificant, if one considered, the Auchi people,with link to Nupe/Hausa/Yoruba through Islam. One can say, they exist but on a new identity. If indeed, you want to write anything on Hausa in Bénin Republic, then ,you need visit the Northern part of Bénin Republic, where you will find them mixed up with Baruba/Borgu people.
The screenshot below will be of a help to you.

Winters22:
Hello. Any Linguist or Language Enthusiast here? I need a list of 10 Chadic languages spoken in 10 different countries. I only know of the Hausa Language.

I am writing a paper on it.

Any contribution is duly appreciated.

CC. Hati13, Olu317, 9jakool

well, I appreciate your recognition and I'll advice you google these soft copy of the authors book I mentioned below. Although Newman's work on Chadic language was extensive but other researchers did work on these people as well. Some Bibliography on these are from the following :

Lukas, Johannes (1936) 'The linguistic situation in the Lake Chad area in Central Africa.' Africa, 9, 332–349.
Lukas, Johannes. Zentralsudanische Studien, Hamburg 1937;

Newman, Paul and Ma, Roxana (1966) 'Comparative Chadic: phonology and lexicon.'
Journal of African Languages, 5, 218–251.
Newman, Paul (1977) 'Chadic classification and reconstructions.' Afroasiatic Linguistics 5, 1, 1–42.
Newman, Paul (1978) 'Chado-Hamitic 'adieu': new thoughts on Chadic language classification', in Fronzaroli, Pelio (ed.), Atti del Secondo Congresso Internazionale di Linguistica Camito-Semitica . Florence: Instituto de Linguistica e di Lingue Orientali, Università di Firenze, 389–397.
Newman, Paul (1980) The Classification of Chadic within Afroasiatic. Leiden: Universitaire Pers Leiden.

Herrmann Jungraithmayr, Kiyoshi Shimizu:
Chadic lexical roots. Reimer, Berlin 1981.
Herrmann Jungraithmayr, Dymitr Ibriszimow:
Chadic lexical roots. 2 volumes. Reimer, Berlin 1994

Schuh, Russell (2003) 'Chadic overview', in M. Lionel Bender, Gabor Takacs, and David L. Appleyard (eds.), Selected Comparative-Historical Afrasian Linguistic Studies in Memory of Igor M.


All the best.

EdoNation:
You were so fast to come and type here like a mor.on , and cuou could not note both persons you mentioned are from akoko Edo.... You are really the dumbest person on this thread

Just imagine how uneducated you are? What concern me if he or she is from the heart of Usen? You rant as if you can look me up in the eyes in real life but you wouldn't dare it. Only coward rant like you and your Edo alikes online. Is Akoko Edo not Edo again? I thought you people claim, there are no one in Edo that bear full Yoruba names. I had thought you people from Edo who were exposed to civilization didnt learn anything from Yorubas? Set of confused people. You are so uncultured for insulting my personality but I know the reason and I mock you. I am doing this for my ancestors because of your dirty lies online and I will continue to quash your filthy lies. And others and I who write for Yoruba online with more fact have given more evidence than your so called fairy tale that is absolutely absurd,which is the reason you're hurt by the truth.... Go hit your head at a wall if you hate the truth. You are even lucky that your Oba gave gift to one of my ancestor to appease him when he went to your small village called Bini,which was created by by one of the strongest yoruba prince known as Odede or Oranmiyan. You are beneath me....Emi omo asè akoko yigbo yigbo..Emi Omo Kaare Oba mi...

EdoNation:
NO EDO PERSON BEARS YORUBA NAMES APART WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THOSE THAT HAVE YOOOBA MOTHERS!!

And Juliana Olatunji is a secretary in Edo state while Taiwo Akerele is the Chief of Staff in Edo state.

You are a bloody liar

2prexios:
that's true pagan9ja, sometimes some words are used by a people and it becomes area-code, they may later drop it but their neighbours may still hold on to it, we can research and find out more about it: my believe is, the Yoruba is like bariba and like borgu and so on.

But the Yoruba people were not answering that because every Yoruba tribe has its name as her identity, then when Clapperton came, he got the Hausa version of it, and when he traveled through Yorubaland, he confirmed its indigenous version and uphold it.

If the names are hard to find, the same should apply to all other Yoruba neighbours and there should be some conspiracy theories around every ethnic names. But Yoruba has always been pronounced Yoba, which is like queen mother, Iye Oba.

Who knows if it pertains with a queen mother of historical repute in annal of Yoruba history and as fate will have it, it was plucked from repertoire of antique phrases to serve as eponymous name?

similar sounding words:

Yeye, matriarch,
Yewa, our matriarch.
Ayaba, kings wife.

Yoruba was a name that had it foundation right from ILE IFE, if one consider,the etymology of the word “O ba" , which showed that “Yoruba" came forth through Oranmiyan to his neighbourhood when he left ILE IFE . After all, Ogun left ILE IFE before Oranmiyan and he died, somewhere in present day Shaki, and before his death ,he was a warrior,that was referred as Ogun Ooni rè ,which became corrupted as Ogun onirè and he was referred to as “Ba/Uba", likewise every Prince or king of that magnitude, which was a word for father .The word was more more a ritual word used to identify, he who reign over all .To understand the meaning, one need to do a breakdown of the word into two or three or more if possible, so as to understand how the word became contracted from this probable reference to a Prince or King, which can be deduced from; U yi O ba– E yi O Oba — O-yo-U-ba . From this, it can be decoded that the name was a way to salute a king or a prince with a crown from ILE FE. Furthermore, U yi O ba– È yi o O ba — O yo U ba , was more less a eulogy to praise Oranmiyan ,in form of “ È yi O ba —Oyo O ba — Yoruba"(This one is a King/This is a king). The cognition, I used is from the last part in Ooni's Oriki (eulogy) ,which reference him as “ O ba". The point here is that many ancient Yoruba words gave way to new ones,either as result of contraction for easy pronunciation or corrupt pronunciation to suit the speakers

Moorish:


I had left this thread before oh

Olu leave that clown he is a troll

I just got to answer him but not anymore. He has even tried to drag me into Egyptians history. I just wonder how these clowns can really learn be taught. Little do these clowns realised that Alexander the great didn't live for a long time before he died at age 32 and his method of conquest were not too heavily on war against some nations but his fame and conquest of Persia made many trembled and gave up their right as sovereign state and up end as vassal states under Alexander the great. Honestly, there are Edo children like minded on this thread....
I mock them so seriously.


Cheers

prolog2:
When Alexander the great conquered egypt.
He made his general phaero !
The title phaero is egyptian.
When Ataturk took over the leadership of Turkey, he refused the title of sultan and took a more western title.
You are so dumb, I find it hard to imagine how you can type!
All you say makes no sense, your brain needs a reboot.

Just imaging what you just typed? So , because you are trying to safe your humiliation, you drag in Alexander the great and Ataturk? Do you not know history? Faroe/Fero/Pharaoh or kings that Alexander fought against their kingdom or empire never changed the position of such king once he pledged loyalty. Stop confusing yourself, Macedonia that Alexander came out of is still acknowledged as part of Greece. What exactly is your problem? How many Yoruba kings did your oba made to learn Edo language or pledged loyalty? For your information, Alexander the great was a Greek and spoke the language, how does this correlate with your tiny subdued Edo people and her language that was and still understood by you people only? An Isolated with closeness to extinction language of yours that got separated from Urhobo/Isoko clans . And you are here comparing different circumstances and historical account? You are a big clown. Vous voyez, if you have nothing tangible the same ways you had done in the recent past,then Please stop quoting me because you're a learner and not resourceful .

prolog2:
Yet again talking out of your yanch, which historical document are you quoting ?
Don't confuse us Edo with your weakling yopruba people whom everybody can beat in a battle.
There is no record of Edo losing a war in the 19th century except the one against britain.
And there is no record of the Edo losing a war before the 19th century.
All records are about Edo crushing their ennemies except britain.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyLYcQWFhxo

Defend your small Edo village for the last time despite the fact tha you are mannerless. What is the etymology of the word; “OTARU" ? Is the word a strange word or historically Edo's word?
Let the world see you and your LIES....

davidnazee:
I never knew the Otaru of Auchi used to be known as Enogie.. thanks for the info.

So, you don't know that there was Nupe invasion in early 1800s , which was what led to the title of Otaru? Infact, the war led to the killing of Enogie's (Ichi') mother, according to history. And thereafter, the invasion led to destruction of many Auchi's original traditional way of worship in exchange of Islam. The title, Otaru, was a Nupe's title and by 1819, the first Otaru emerged and became the ruler of Auchi, after they had sacked and wiped away Enogie dynasty in Auchi....... Just imagine? Many of you Edos online will keep boasting here and there but basically with a baseless self ego. If some places founded by Edo indigene could be wiped out ? How will many of you be able to sustain your tradition if there is a chaotic situation? Anyway, I pray not for such to happen because, you people will definitely run to ILE IFE for succour.

davidnazee:
My brother don’t pray for war with the Edos.. only the ethnic Edos in Eastern Yorubaland will be a problem for the Yorubas not to talk of the entire Edo armies marching down on Yorubas..
If Nigeria breaks apart Eastern Yoruba will be war zone because we taking what is ours back..

You are a big time clown. Where were your Edo Army when Banjo Over run your small kingdom during the 1967–1970 civil war ?
I mock you.

davidnazee:
Really?? Never by war?
So what’s the meaning of this;

Every town or village under him (Ewi) except Ijan were prepared to fight…The Benin soldiers stormed Igbara-Odo and Ilawe and took them. At this time, Ado town had been vacated. Aroloye took the people to a place called Oke Oko Axis between Ifaki and Iworok..
The soldiers pitched their camps near Uyin (Iyin)…Ogbesi Okun, the then Oluyin …was conquered and killed. They proceeded to Igede, Awo and Esure and took them. The inhabitants of Igede then uder Okiribiti were driven in a north-easternly direction to a place called Oke Asha…Edo troops then marched to Iworoko…The soldiers entered Are…The same fate befell Afao. They were all taken to Ikere. The soldiers moved to Igbemo …entered Igbo-Omoba (now Ilu-Omoba)…The soldiers left Aisegba for Agbado and without delay took it and evacuated the people. Agbado was the last place under the Ewi. With the conquest, of Agbado, the soldiers seemed to have finished their job..
Ewi Idagunmodo (1696-1710), Ewi Okinbaloye Aritawekun (1710-1722), Ewi Amono Ola (1722-1762), Ewi Afunbiowo (1762-1781), Ewi Akulojuorun (1781-1808), Ewi Aroloye (1808-1836) who reigned at Ado but were attacked successively by Benin hordes…‘During the reign of Ewi Aroloye, Ado-Ewi’s kingdom witnessed massive dislocation across the terrain as town dwellers and villagers ran for safety in different directions. Many of the captives from Iworoko, Are, Afao, Ugboomoba (now Ilumoba) and Agbado were taken to Ukere by Benin invaders

…the rapid expansion of Ado brought it into conflict with Benin, another power with imperialistic designs in Ekiti. Responding to the invitation by Ado’s neighbouring states who had become unduly alarmed by the consolidation and excesses of the Ewi’s power, Benin army invaded and subjugated Ado in addition to overrunning most of the other Ekiti states some of whose ruling dynasties, as in Ikere, were replaced…’’"’

Eastern Yorubalands will remain part of Benin Kingdom..

And this source, you quoted that didn't have accurate information seem too good to be true because Bini's footprint was halted by Oluusi and Laade..Their footprint is always a part of Ado Ekiti. So you think everything is documented on journal or authored work on clans in Ekiti? I mock you because, this your non realistic fairytale is beyond redemption. If not self believe in the true account of Yoruba history by some few elements of Bini descendants in Yoruba land . Do you not wonder why one bini prince's settlement amongst Yoruba that, they pay homage to ILE IFE and not Bini? The truth is that Bini remained Yoruba property and Edo isn't ours.

davidnazee:
Yes they are and also Eastern Yoruba is Edo land.. anywhere there is Edo people is Edo land.

If you are so sure of all this your fairytale,tell your Edo kinsmen to go and wage war against the Eastern Yorubaland and claim the place if they will ever return back to Edo. Isn't it disgraceful for Edos, to answer Yoruba names except such probably has a Yoruba ancestry? And here you are sending trash online...

absoluteSuccess:
Thanks very much my prince.

I salute you too my brother. I recognise you, Obalufon's Prince.

Cheers

prolog2:
You are so daft I Wonder how you manage to type.
Gov Obaseki's great grand father is chef Agho Obaseki.
À little bit of research would have told you the name Obaseki was give to Chief Agho by Oba Ovonramwen, and that Chief Agho grew up in Oba palace and served the Oba. Your attempt at division is incredibly lame. The Oba of Benin is the number 1# Edo. We are all Edo, including Urhobo, Isoko, Esan, Anioma...

Slave blood, it is Obvious you are not lettered and disrespectful. I really see the pain you go through because the truth is glaring before you. If you called me a daft, what about omo n' oba ? What will you call someone like him, who didn't do proper research but spoke with his two sides of his mouth by claiming Odua was Igodomigodo indigene but Oba as a title was a name that came from Yoruba land (ile Ife)? Thereafter,he went to Ile Ife and reenacted his commitment to Ooni's throne because his patrilineal lineage (Oranmiyan) descendants are the ones that sit on that throne centuries. I know you are a Young man and I implore you to go back to school to learn the etymology of name as Taiwo Akerele? Do Edo know the meaning of Taiwo if it isnt a Yoruba name? Ijaws arent Edos but own ancestral land in Edo state. A blatant liar you remain.

BabaRamota1980:
Let me school you. You have Bini, descendants of Ife settlers, and you have Edo, the aborigines.

When Yoruba talk about our kins we are referring to Binis, not Edos.

Ile Ife, gave birth to Bini civilization which in turn gave birth to Itsekiri, Lagos and Onitsha monarchies.

In Lagos you have two classes of Yoruba - Aworis and Binis, both emigrants from Ife.

In Itsekiri you have two classes of Yoruba - Ijebu, Ilaje and Bini, all emigrants of Ife.

In Onitsha you have a proto-Yoruba monarchy whose ancestors were Ife descendants that settled and civilized Edo before proceeding out of Bini Eastward. Their kins are the monarchies of Ika and Agbor.

In Ijaw you have the ORU, descendants of a people who departed Ife a long time ago.

The Itshekiri, the Ijaw, the Awori, the Ijebu, the Ilajes....all are Molokun. The Awori and the Ilaje are non-warriors but blessed with immense resources. The Ijebu, the Ijaw and the Itshekiris are naval warriors.

In fact all five Molokuns are immensely blessed.


I am yet to hear of a civilization birthed out of Edo. If Yoruba had not settled and civilized your land and opened your eyes you will be the least developed of all peoples of the South. ..shyyte...look where you are today inspite of many centuries of civilized foreign culture in your midst. So imagine where you'd be without one to begin with. The Urhobos, Etsakos, Isokos....all advanced and moving forward independently. You Edos remain narrow and dead-end wasting time preserving a Bini throne that does not need your protection to survive.

Oba does not laugh in public, Oba does not talk in public, Oba does not blink in public, Oba does not step out of palace, Oba does not travel, Oba does not step foot on the ground, Oba does not give speech in public, Oba does not shake hand in public, Oba does not wave in public.
....Oba na doll baby?

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Yeye people!

Don't over mock Edo because some Edos sees Oba as their almighty God ,and can't be questioned when he does something outrageous because he is seen as without human flaws .Fortunately for us,Yorubas, being an Oba doesn't mean you are flawless but a hereditarily position by the lineages from which such came from and a representative of our ancestors,who is meant to lead uprightly. This is the reason they have one Oba in Bini and suburb but does not affect Oba that reign in few community in Akoko Edo.
These people are bunch of followers...........

prolog2:
Perharps it is time you shut the hell up. Everybody in the Benin Kingdom is Edo.
That is the name of the people of the Kingdom !
Kindly go and discuss yoruba matters and leave us the Bleep alone !
Edo-state is just a tiny part of Benin Kingdom, now off you go, go and look for your illorin conquered cousins.

Just imagine thought of a typical Edo,who is not of Bini extraction? Is Governor Godwin Obaseki's Chief of Staff, Taiwo Akerele and Special Adviser on Political Matters to the Governor an Edo name?

Is Pawuru and ayiwe an Edo name if not Ijaw's?

I mock at your delusion and ignorance

davidnazee:
What is bini? It’s only you yorubas that use that description.. u are really a dumbass.

Seem you like being suspended? I know the truth hurts. Be mindful of your attitude online.

davidnazee:
What is bini? It’s only you yorubas that use that description.. u are really a dumbass.

So Ijaws are now Edo cum Bini ? Since, you have mentioned “ILORIN COUSINS", What about the Nupe migrants that Islamized Auchi through Jihad ? Mind you, Ilorin was not attacked or sacked by anyone. Ilorin was different from Auchi because Afonja that had a disagreement with Alaafin Oyo in 1817. The difference is clear Edo man!.

davidnazee:
By the way, no Edo person calls himself bini.. it’s a description used by foreigners like you.. when you hear an Edo person calls himself “benin” he means He is from Benin city or Benin kingdom not your “bini tribe” ..
It was Benin Kingdom of Edo people that conquered and ruled Yoruba.

So,all Edo people are from Bini lineage and Identify as Oviedo ? For your information, the major first set of languages spoken in your EDO STATE are Edo, Etsako, Esan and Owan, Akoko Edo,Okpameri language and Ijaw. Edo State as it is named is home to several ethnicities, among them the Bini, Esan, Afemai, Emai, and Ijaw. You're seriously in need of enlightenment. Have you not seen people in Edo that don't claim allegiance to Bini? ....I am mocking at your ignorance.

davidnazee:
All I can say is; Yoruba = self deception..

Deception? And yet many Edos claim and choose to identify with Yorubas? I mock your ignorance. Anyway, I have educated you,since you have no knowledge of the past but filled with hatred. Anway, how many non Bini knows the meaning or have it as having the etymology of a contraption of E san fia (Esan) in their local language? Do you even know that as small as Edos is ,it has more than 30 or more languages and different communities with different identities in the past but developed into learning Bini language? You practically have no knowledge of what you have delved into......

davidnazee:
So Anthony Enahoro was a Yoruba representative?

Oh! you come up again with this one ? You are an Edo man that do not know Bini is meaningless in Edo language but of yoruba origin. So you think Anthony Enahoro , didn't believed in Yoruba philosophy despite his Bini- Uromi ancestry ? Anyway, he remained a Yoruba property because from the place he was born is named 'Esan' and (originally, 'E san fia' owes its origin to Bini (meaning, 'they have fled' or 'they jumped away'), É sa fun â/fu hâ/ fun won/ as same with Yoruba words for description of people who run away from somewhere. This just showed that he was from Uromi and shared affinity with Yoruba . He singlehandedly went against creation of mid west being from Yoruba Land. If you don't know, google is your help mate.....A great man he was and will always be in the mindset of Yorubas.

Moorish:
I also sometimes appreciate the diversity in southern Nigerian cultures especially through the music

For that reason alone, I am somehow open to the idea of Nigeria

Odua nation is also enticing to me, but it will take a war for Nigeria to break up, and I do not want that

I believe we can still further Yoruba civilization while also being a part of Nigeria

And Ifa is the source. We need to create new civilizations that reflect Yoruba

IFA practices are not in conformity with Non Yorubas, especially in the Northern Nigeria that are do not share same ideology. Even, with other groups in Southern Nigeria because of language difference. I truthfully believed, Yoruba language can't thrive successfully within Nigeria ( personal opinion of mine). Although, this is the reality .

KingSango:
So Yorubas are the ones who made the Brits leave? How did they do that?

Yeah, Yoruba were the ones that frustrated the Brits. Yes, because, Williams who was nominated to the Legislative Council, serving as a member from October 1901, until his death in 1915. In 1903 there was a crisis over the payment of the tolls that were collected from traders by native rulers, although Europeans were exempted. The alternative was to replace the tolls by a subsidy. Governor William MacGregor requested views from Williams, Charles Joseph George and
Obadiah Johnson as indigenous opinion leaders. All were in favour of retaining the tolls to avoid upsetting the rulers. In 1903 governor MacGregor nominated Williams for a knighthood, but his recommendation was turned down. In 1904 Williams moved that "the present boundary between the Colony and Protectorate of Southern Nigeria and the Protectorate of Northern Nigeria be re-adjusted by bringing the southern portion into Southern Nigeria, so that the entire tribes of the Yoruba-speaking people should be under one and the same administration". Sir Frederick Lugard wickedly opposed this proposal on the grounds of administrative convenience, and the eventual decision largely followed his beliefs. Many enlightened set of Yorubas in England( who were in college) , and in Nigeria frustrated, argued, and disobeyed the Brits when Niger- Area, was formed as Nigeria . And for this reason, Yorubas, were divided into Northern and southern by Lord Lugard to frustrate Yorubas. Around 1953, Yoruba told the Parliament through their representative known as Anthony Enahoro and seconded by Obafemi Awolowo, for independence,which was done by the Action group but denied. And in 1958, which was successful was moved by Chief Remilekun Fani-Kayode and Nigeria got her independence, after which, the Brits had no choice but to heed such call.

Proudly Omo Yoruba.

Moorish:
I think Ifa cosmology and our indigenous beliefs are highly underrated. Imagine if we were never conquered by Britain? And We had our own calendar system, we developed indigenous tech and architectural styles etc

I feel like most Africans are soulless. We do not create anything new, except in the arts. We have no indigenous philosophy or religious creeds we adhere to. Imagine if instead of churches we had our own indigenous corpus, veneration of our ancestors, arts, reverence for our lands etc the Monies spent on Jewish and Arab religions would have been channeled towards a Yoruba agenda. This would have spurned all kinds of art, crafts, architecture and civilizations

I am also abit confused because while I want to further Yoruba civilization, I am also always filled with pride whenever I see the cultural influence Nigeria has in Africa, from our music to movies etc

So I think the Nigerian project, although it suppresses our indigenous nationalities, it also gives us more influence on the world stage

Do you agree olu ?

I agree with you totally but the problem is that IFA divination through some practioners had made a lot to loose faith in it even if people still believed in its concept. As far as I am concerned, there are no difference among some IFA practitioners, some Pastors and Alfas because they demand from people, what such cannot provide. This is the first problem of inconsistency by these diviners. And again, Nigeria will not allow Yoruba to grow and develop in the areas, you mentioned. In fact, it was God that encouraged professors such as Akinwumi Ishola (deceased), Wande Abimbola, Bade Ajuwon, and others who had written over
We got about 50 items on our bibliography to make sure IFA divination became part of the UNESCO's masterpiece of the oral and intangible heritage. Today, IFA is known worldwide,when oral and intangible heritage is mentioned. In truth, Yoruba will always be better of as a nation on her own without being in Nigeria. The population is there,the productivity to excel is achievable, man power is available etc. Lastly, British didn't conquer Yorubas but Kiriji war made Britain came in as a mediator and eventually seizing power through back door. Even during their years of stay ,Yorubas were the ones that made leave Nigeria.

Moorish:
Wow, reading this was so cool. I am highly interested In the herbsmen, the osanyi

So cool, thanks

So the eastern yorubas also acknowledged IFE as their ancestral home in pre colonial times ? I didn’t know that

I often felt it was Samuel Johnson who first espoused a collective “Yoruba” identity for our people

Nooo he wasn't correct because he didn't travel far to other Yoruba enclaves and didn't compile the proper history but Oyo's loyalist account. Kudos to him though . In fact ,many Eastern Yorubas acknowledged this wholeheartedly because, a lot of princes, priests and hunters settled down in that region more than Western Yoruba princes, Northern Yorubas , whose enclave had more, chiefs and citizens lineage.

Moorish:
Need to do more study on what u just stated

I had always read that ife was inside the Oyo Empire

But, do u know the relationship status between eastern yorubas and ife/Oyo ? Before kiriji ?

IFE was the sacred city,where princes are identified through their crowns. Crowns differs,irrespective of who wears it. The kingly families under Ooni can't wear same crown status like them . Oyo acknowledged the real princes, who are of his patrilineal lineage that founded different kingdoms and they worked on terms, exchange gifts with some and influence some because of her military might,especially in the western Yorubas and place like Ede that was set up as a military Base by OYO. Take for instance, Otun that I mentioned was never attacked by Oyo and was always accorded with respect, so also other kingdoms,which were reciprocated . The Eastern Yorubas, were basically non radical like Oyo in transformation and maintain the cordial relationship with IFE as the home of their ancestors. A place from which everyone draw inspiration from ILE IFE as their power house. Despite, different approach to doing things,all still believed in unity in diversity of their different development. At times,princes were called or invited to help waged war against rebels that were invited from Bini. Luusi did fought for Ado Ekiti to help chase away Nupe,Kwarafas,Ika,Bini invasion, known as Ogun Èléwa. Another instance ,was a clear case when Ondo Égi (Ekimogun) kingdom was threatened by rebels, somewhere along the line, Derin Ologbenla subdued the rebels and invaders from Bini around 1824/5 and restored the Yoruba monarchial system and moved back to Oke Igbo before many years after, that he was made the Ooni IFE. There were other warriors such as hunters, sword men,archers, etc with strong Osanyi(herbs) knowledge that were also used as mercenaries to fight so as to rescue many kingdoms from possible invaders. These were what many princes and other mercenaries etc did for their family and yoruba kingdom when the had problems of invaders.

eddy1977:
No,with all respects to my yorouba brothers and sisters. You are not even remotely related to Israel.you are not even related to some Ethiopians,so please cool off.

You have no dna rapprochement,no cultural similarities,not even any religious resemblance.

Be proud of who you are and leave the Israelis alone. You may be descendants of the canaanites,the jebusites or even the philistines,but not sons of Jacob. Sorry,he is not your ancestor.

You are just typical subsaharan negroids like most of us. Let's celebrate your true heritage.you should be proud of your intelligence and wealth and not this nonsensical philosophy which actually humiliates you.
Your true ancestors will feel insulted to know that you are trying to claim jewish ancestry.
So,in honor of your tru ancestors i beg you to be proud of your true heritage which is anything but Jewish.

Do you know The Yoruba ethnic group of Nigeria has been sampled in previous genetic studies. The Yorubas were part of the international HapMap studies that led to the sequencing of the Human Genome and to create a map of human genome sequence variations . Samples from the Yoruba ethnic group were also included to collectively identify >3 million common DNA variants, primarily SNPs . SNP data and their linkage disequilibrium patterns provide basic information for genome-wide association studies in African or admixed populations . But then your opinion is solely yours and doesn't change the researches carried out by Western researchers on Yorubas in Diaspora and Nigeria. In actual fact, nobody is in denial of the name Yoruba but negroid identity is relatively new . But have you for once identified the look of ancient Hebrews ? Have you done any research in such manner as a Western professor like Reich David? There is no big deal if you are egocentric about coloured Race but do you know how many types of Colour people that existed in the ancient times?
I need to do extensive work before submission on such intriguing information as such human history as it related to ancient Hebrew.

Below screenshot show admixture of Yoruba and thus point to the direction that Yorubas were not originally of the present day Nigeria but migrants

If you are against this ,then bring information from renowned work on genome that claimed otherwise.

Moorish:
It was Lisabi who freed the Egba from Oyo

Ekiti and ondo were not under Oyo jurisdiction

Ife was part of the Oyo Empire and the headquarters was old Oyo before it moved to Oyo ile. I don’t know if it paid tributes or not

What was ekiti and ondo’s Relationship to alaafin like before Kiriji?

IFE was never part of Oyo Empire. A taboo. Around 12th century, 13th century,14th century , there were migration of princes outside ILE IFE, for expeditions and war mastery....Late Bishop Samuel Ajayi crowther blundered on so many information about IFE history. The first time IFE had heavy issue was with Modakeke , whom were refugees from Oyo, after the collapse of OyO ILE. They were given place to stay when Oyo had serious issue with Afonja Ilorin and when there was a problem with IFE, they formed alliance with Ibadan that had risen to a formidable military bloc to attack and sacked IFE before kings, princes and mercenaries were also called who fought against Ibadan and restore dignity to the throne of Odua that Oranmiyan reignec on as well as his descendants that held and protected it. Funny enough, the Oba Erediuwa who was claiming Odua as a a rediculous Owodo descendants would not be able to do so today, if Ibadan had ridiculed these great men that fought and chased Ibadan Out of the place,despite her might at that time . Their Ancestor known as was Oba Adolo and Oba Ovonranmien were busy accumulating wealth at detriment of their patrilineal lineage's heaviest throne.....

davidnazee:
It’s a lie jor.. stop deceiving yourself..
anyways here is research from your fellow Yoruba brother..

“The origin of the Benin and Yoruba empires of old have come to the fore and they have been subject of intense debate.
No doubt the origins of the two empires are obscure being deeply buried in legend and mythology and it is not easy to say what amount of history or the amount of embellished history they contain. In truth these traditions which on the surface try to account for the origin of these empires are perhaps little more than ideological chatters legitimizing the political systems, traditions, cultures, etc. of the people. This general position not withstanding, it is worthy of note that the Benin through their well renowned Arts and Craft recorded their history and event in addition to the account of the guild of oral recorders. The most contentious of this debate for now, however, is the Benin-Ife historical connection.

Many historians and social anthropologists especially the Yoruba historians have been greatly impressed by the tradition that the Yoruba Kingdom fathered the second Benin empire. According to Prof. A.B.Aderibigbe, "obviously there is an attempt in this story to gloss over what in fact was an alien imposition." Along the same line, Prof Michael Growder said that this tradition could be "a convenient legend to disguise what in fact was a conquest by the Oduduwa party".

Here however, the following points are worthy of note: First the Ife-Benin connection has been vigorously questioned by Prof. A.F.C. Ryder. He had pointed out that this tradition which seeks to connect Benin with Ife is suspect. He argues that throughout four centuries of contact between Benin and various European nations, in particular Portugal, there was no hint or reference to this relationship between the two empires. The tradition was not mentioned or recorded by any writer until after the British occupation of Benin in 1897. He also pointed out that the city of Ife is believed to be younger than Benin and therefore could not have fathered the second Benin Empire.

Second, according to Prof Ryder, by 1485 Benin was an impressive and large city. Judging by the evidence of European visitors, it was perhaps the largest and most impressive city which the Portuguese saw along the west coast of Africa. Recent archaeological evidence would seem to indicate that Ife was built probably not before the first decade of the 16th century while the capital of old Oyo, Yatenga, was built much later. This would seem to show that the complex political system of the Yoruba which the Benin Kingdom is believed to have descended must have originated much later than the Benin Kingdom.

Third, much of the evidence which is believed to corroborate the claims made in the traditions comes from enthnohistory, that is, historical speculations based on assumed logical sequence of development in the political system. This is most unreliable.

By the 15th Century, the Benin Kingdom had achieved the height of its greatness. It remained the most powerful and the largest Kingdom in the forest region of West Africa until about the end of the first half of the 17 century. During these two centuries of its ascendancy Benin empire stretched as far west as Lagos, Badagry and Whyidah (Dahomey). On the north-west it stretched as far as Ekiti, Akure and Owo. Towards the north, it stretched to Ishan Country and the southern position of Idah. Finally on the east it incorporated at various times various portions of Ika-Ibo and as far as the River Niger.

Prof. Biobaku has suggested that the eastern fringe of what is now Yorubaland was in pre-Yoruba days thinly inhabited by the ancestors of the modern Benin people, a people which he called the Efa. And if recent archaeological evidence would seem to indicate that Ife was built not before the first decade of the 16th century thereby making it to be younger than Benin”

Whether you like it or not ,you are knocked down. All these your razzmatazz aren't finished? Hmmm, quite shocking! Honestly, I have not seen such Edo personalities like you and your likes ,although not all,I must confess but you and other Ogiamien or EFA descendants are always the same . Just like your ancestors, never give up. I know if it were something wishes could do, perhaps, you would have changed the status quo of “Oba" back to the real ancient Edo setting back to“Edionwere",right? Quickly, since you have decided to remain bias by quoting some historians partially on how Bini emerge from the rubble.I will like you to also ponder and come up with same information given on the following by similar historians.Namely:
1. Why did Udo lost it radiance as the seat of power to new one founded by Ewedo?
2. Why did it took the Uzama so long that it span almost 1 century before Oranmiyan was sent to halt the chaotic since you knew him?
3. Why are some names shared with some few Yoruba kingdoms such Olua,Olotan(Olota),Oliha, Ologbosere etc, not having meaning in Edo if they were/are indigenous?
4. Why do you Bini also claim Ogiso fell from the sky( King from sky if not IFE's folklore)?
5. If your assertion is right about Bini being different from other Yoruba kingdoms ,how was the alloy copper of an Ooni dug out in the heart of the Bini palace?
6. If Odua, was Edo, Why did Oba Bini agreed and pronounced that Ooni Adewusi is sitting on Oranmiyan's throne , whom, he( Oba Bini), Ooni Adewusi and others were his descendants?
7.If Oranmiyan, his entourage that went with him and his descendants after left Ibinu land weren't strangers, why did Urhobo, Isoko and extended clans migrated from Edo if not oppression and subjugation, rebellious,vexation?
8. What's the etymology of Osa in Edoland if Ogiso was king of the sky? While Urhobo, Isoko,etc who were ancient Edoid group acknowledged Oghene as God?
9. If you claimed, Edo influenced some Eastern Yorubas why was the dressing of Eastern Yorubas kings were more glamorous with more attention to beaded crowns, embroidery of solomon's knot and proper body covering of the whole body of such kings with clothing but not in the same vein with Oba Bini,that adorn more with beads on his neck and no strong attachment to Solomon's knot nor total body covering with Aso Okè?
10. Do you know there were EFA group ( aboriginal of the land), Igodo group before the last Yoruba prince ( Oranmiyan) came with Oba as a title to Udu/Igodomigodo?

You can see that subjugation was the reason Yoruba dethroned all in Udo and enclave to form Bini as the powerhouse of Edoland and beyond. This is the reason it is a taboo for anyone to be addressed as Oba except Yoruba kings. Perhaps, you are EFA, IKA,UDO...The most subjugated groups. Do some verification .After all, historical account affirmed that there are Yoruba ancestors among Urhobos.....Thank God, some people don't lie about their past for ridiculous glory. Funny enough, Urhobo is bigger than present day Edo speaking group.

N.B
Epistle it looked? Enjoy it

Moorish:
Benin did not have any tributary states

Oyo had Dahomey, and all the Yoruba tribes southward as tributaries

Oyo administered and controlled these areas.

Benin city had a good layout. And good arts ye

But the military might in precolonial Nigeria were 3 peoples

Oyo

Sokoto

Kanem Borno

Not true because ,some Yorubas enclave didnt pay any tributaries to Oyo but exchange of gifts. Otun in Ekiti and some in part of Kwara didn't pay Oyo any tributary. Awujale didn't pay. Ado Ekiti didn't pay tributary, In fact ,Ado ( Ekiti) initiated OYO into IFA, Orangun Ila didn't pay, Owa Obokun didn't pay,IFE Ooye can't pay(sacred city), Small States such as Iwo, Idanre,Oka, didn't pay, infact mostly Akoko Yorubas groups didn't pay because, many settlers in Akoko,were hunters,IFA priests, Osanyi Worshippers, princes and princes of different kings from IFE and few Odua descendants that moved to that direction for one reason or the other. These set of people were tactical in warefare, physically and spiritually fits. Outside these, the terrain were so hilly except the mastery of climbing and understanding, these forest zone's hilly tactics before such people could be defeated and it never happened...Many warring groups tried but failed.

EzendiEgo1:


After 5yrs this guy can't express himself well, what a biological shame

You are wrong. He spoke/wrote standard English. In fact, your statement has punctuation flaws:
“ After 5 years,this guy can't express himself in English ? What a shame!"= slightly standard .
“ After 5 years, this guy can't speak standard/ good English? What a shame!"
= more accurate .

Cheers.