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Consider that Jesus stated in Matthew chapter 24:29-31 that He would send His angels to gather His elects all over the world 'immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days'.

Also in 2Thessalonians chapter 2: 1-3, Paul says this gathering (rapture) won't take place until 2 things happen first: falling away of people and the emergence of antichrist.

We have been told that before the antichrist emerges on the world scene the rapture would take place. Is this really correct in the face of Biblical accounts in Daniel, the Gospels, Paul's letters and the Revelation?

We must not be wrong on this matter because of associated serious implication: If indeed antichrist will deal with God's people and we are not ready to meet him because we've been told we won't meet him then many may fall away and take his 666 mark to their eternal doom.

Please, let's consider this.

The Great Tribulation - Resolving the Confusion
a. Regarding ‘tribulation’: The word appears in the KJV 25 times: 4 times in the OT (Deuteronomy, Judges and twice in 1 Samuel). 21 times in the NT. The 4 times in the OT all referred to Israel. The NT books where found are: The Gospels: Matthew (3), Mark (1), John (1). Acts (1), Romans (4); 2Corinthians (2), Ephesians (1), 1Thessalonians (1), 2Thessalonians (2) and Revelations (5). Of the 21 times in the NT: it is associated with believers 19 times and only twice in reference to unbelievers / backsliders
Two adjectives are associated with the word:
b. ‘great’ 2 times
i. Revelation 2:22: Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
ii. Revelation 7:14: And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
c. ‘much’ once
i. Acts 14:22: Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.
The ‘tribulation’ verses
2. Matthew 13:21 - Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.
3. Matthew 24:21 - For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
4. Matthew 24:29 - Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
5. John 16:33 - These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
6. Acts 14:22 - Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.
7. Romans 5:3 - And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
8. Romans 8:35 - Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or unclothedness, or peril, or sword?
9. Romans 12:12 - Rejoicing in hope; patient in tribulation; continuing instant in prayer;
10. 2 Corinthians 1:4 - Who comforteth us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort them which are in any trouble, by the comfort wherewith we ourselves are comforted of God.
11. 2 Corinthians 7:4 - Great is my boldness of speech toward you, great is my glorying of you: I am filled with comfort, I am exceeding joyful in all our tribulation.
12. Ephesians 3:13 - Wherefore I desire that ye faint not at my tribulations for you, which is your glory.
13. 1 Thessalonians 3:4 - For verily, when we were with you, we told you before that we should suffer tribulation; even as it came to pass, and ye know.
14. 2 Thessalonians 1:4 - So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:
15. 2 Thessalonians 1:6 - Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;
16. Revelation 1:9 - I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
17. Revelation 2:9 - I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
18. Revelation 2:10 - Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
19. Revelation 2:22 - Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. (A second verse where tribulation was associated with unbelievers / backsliders.)
20. Revelation 7:14 - And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Other tribulation-related scriptures
21. Isaiah 43:2 says ..When thou passest through the waters, I will be with thee; and through the rivers, they shall not overflow thee: when thou walkest through the fire, thou shalt not be burned; neither shall the flame kindle upon thee.
22. Matthew 10:22 - And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved. (Also Matthew 24:13, Mark 13:13)
23. Mark 4:17 - And have no root in themselves, and so endure but for a time: afterward, when affliction or persecution ariseth for the word's sake, immediately they are offended.
24. 2 Thessalonians 1:4 - So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:
25. 2 Timothy 2:3 - Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.
26. 2 Timothy 2:10 - Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
27. 2 Timothy 3:11 - Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me.
28. 2 Timothy 4:3 - For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
29. 2 Timothy 4:5 - But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.
30. Hebrews 6:15 - And so, after he had patiently endured, he obtained the promise.
31. Hebrews 10:32 - But call to remembrance the former days, in which, after ye were illuminated, ye endured a great fight of afflictions;
32. Hebrews 11:27 - By faith he forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king: for he endured, as seeing him who is invisible.
33. Hebrews 12:2 - Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
34. Hebrews 12:3 - For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds
35. James 1:12 - Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.
36. James 5:11 - Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.
37. 1 Peter 2:19 - For this is thankworthy, if a man for conscience toward God endure grief, suffering wrongfully.
Faith and Patience enjoined
38. 2 Thessalonians 1:4 - So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:
39. Luke 21:19 - In your patience possess ye your souls.
40. Romans 5:3 - And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
41. Romans 5:4 - And patience, experience; and experience, hope:
42. Romans 8:25 - But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
43. Romans 15:4 - For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.
44. 2 Corinthians 6:4 - But in all things approving ourselves as the ministers of God, in much patience, in afflictions, in necessities, in distresses,
45. Colossians 1:11 - Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;
46. Hebrews 6:12 - That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.
47. Hebrews 10:36 - For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
48. Hebrews 12:1 - Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
49. James 1:3-4 - Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience. But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.
50. James 5:7 - Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain.
51. James 5:10 - Take, my brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord, for an example of suffering affliction, and of patience.
52. 2 Peter 1:6 - And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
53. Revelation 1:9 - I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
54. Revelation 2:2-3 - I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars: And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted.
55. Revelation 2:19 - I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first.
56. Revelation 3:10 - Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
57. Revelation 13:10 - He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
58. Revelation 14:12 - Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
59. John 16:1-5 - 1 "All this I have told you so that you will not go astray. 2 They will put you out of the synagogue; in fact, a time is coming when anyone who kills you will think he is offering a service to God. 3 They will do such things because they have not known the Father or me. 4 I have told you this, so that when the time comes you will remember that I warned you……
60. Rom 8:36-39 - 36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter. 37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. 38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
61. 39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
62. 1 Peter 4:12-13 - 12 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you: 13 But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.
Heaven’s Hall of Fame – Hebrews 11:33-40
33 Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions, 34 Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens. 35 Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:36 And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment:
37 They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented; 38 (Of whom the world was not worthy they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth. 39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: 40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
Regarding ‘wrath’
63. The word appears in the KJV 200 times:
a. 152 times in the OT
b. 48 times in the NT.
64. It referred to:
a. Wrath of God e.g. against individuals, group, Israel and other nations
b. Wrath of man e.g. of Portifar, of Aheuseurus, etc
c. Wrath of the devil (only 1 time in the entire Bible – Revelation 12:12)
65. Our main concern is ‘wrath’ in the NT. The word appears in the 48 times in the NT.
66. It referred to:
a. Wrath of God – 31 or 32 times against unbelievers
b. Wrath of man – 15 times
c. Wrath of the devil – only 1 or 2 times against the inhabitants of the world
Believers and the wrath of God
67. John 3:18: He that believeth on him is not condemned:
68. John 3:36: He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life:
69. Romans 5:9: Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
70. 1 Thessalonians 1:10 - And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which (who) delivered us from the wrath (of God = tribulation for those who ‘believeth not’)to come.
71. 1 Thessalonians 5:9 - For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
Unbelievers and the wrath of God
72. Matthew 3:7 - But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
73. Luke 3:7 - Then said he to the multitude that came forth to be baptized of him, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
74. John 3:18 - ….. he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
75. John 3:36 - …… he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
76. Romans 1:18 - For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness
77. Romans 2:5 - But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
78. Romans 2:8 - But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
79. Romans 9:22 - What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
80. Ephesians 2:3 - Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
81. Ephesians 5:6 - Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
82. Colossians 3:6 - For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:
83. 1 Thessalonians 2:16 - Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.
84. Revelation 6:16-17 - And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
85. Revelation 11:18 - And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
86. Revelation 14:8, 10 - And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. …… The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
87. Revelation 14:19 - And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.
88. Revelation 15:1 - And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.
89. Revelation 15:7 - And one of the four beasts gave unto the seven angels seven golden vials full of the wrath of God, who liveth for ever and ever.
90. Revelation 16:1 - And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.
91. Revelation 16:19 - And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
92. Revelation 18:3 - For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
93. Revelation 19:15 - And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

The way things are going it appears WW3 is imminent. With all the major powers at loggerhead notably USA vs Russia and China vs USA, China vs Japan, India vs Pakistan, the war in Syria and Iraq, the Israeli-Palestinian issue, etc, etc. and weapons of mass destruction abound.

What's your take?

Are we really at the brink of the next WW?

What do you think will happen in Nigeria if WW3 starts since there will be total breakdown of international law and order?

- ?? Secessionist movements
- ?? Attempt at Islamic takeover
- ?? Military coup.

Or Will we be non-aligned? Be united as one nation? Or in fact seize the opportunity to build a virile nation that after the war we would have an advantage over nations that have wearied themselves by the war?

None of the duo will do neither America nor the world good.

Clinton more likely will win. She's probably destined to by the god of this world.

She's the preferred choice of the Globalists of this world that Obama represents.

They will have their way NOW, but God will have His way later.

Jesus is Lord!

Lacomus:
America
North Korea
Russia
Iran
China
Calabar South.
Etc

Who una de design all these weapon of mass destruction for?




World War 3 may leave nothing behind.

There's nothing stoping WW3. It must happen for a New World Order to be established by Satan's ultimate ManOfWar, the Beast of Biblical apocalypse.

iLiquidator:
http://www.herald.ng/i-love-jesus-emir-of-kano-sanusi-lamido-sanusi-declares/

Deception!
Which Jesus? The Jesus of the Koran? Yes. The Jesus of the Bible? No.

crosbreaka:
You can't know if it is true or false as a non-Muslim except you are Shia or Sunni.

It is like Pentecostal and Protestants calling Catholics idol worshippers. Or asking a Catholic about his views on Jehovah's Witness.

The Shia believe they are the true Muslims or the Muslims who have complete understanding of Islam and the Sunnah.

The Sunnis not only believe they are right, but that others too are wrong.

The point is we shouldn't be concerned with what people see as Quranic or not Quranic except if you really want a religious discussion to know the details. In that case, you should check the Islam board on nairaland. The Sunni and Shia are always having heated debates. You can even search the forum for older threads. People should be given the chance to choose.

Then they should just debate and leave all to the judgement day instead of killing themselves.

rudepen:
blasphemy... seek forgiveness

It is not a hard thing for me to seek forgiveness.
But on which of the points listed should I ask for forgiveness?
Please, let me no my sin(s) and provide appropriate bible verses.
Thank you.

FriendChoice:
Waiting for you to quote that Quran verse or forever take your lies somewhere.

My question is very straight forward. Quran verse I said not Hadith? Don't deviate.

Even in the Hadith He married her @9 not 6. He was engaged to her @6. And married her when she attains puberty @9.

Shameless liar.

OK. HE LIED.

BUT SEARCH YOUR CONSCIENCE.

WILL YOU DO THE SAME?

AND WILL YOU GIVE YOUR 6 YR OLD DAUGHTER TO BE ENGAGED THEN MARRIED AT 9 ?

I NOW UNDERSTAND BETTER THE KIDNAP OF THE CHIBOKS GIRLS.

ALL OF US WILL DIE ONE DAY. THEN WE WILL FINALLY KNOW THE TRUTH.

victorvezx:
Lol, this is one of the things that will make me drop Christianity and become an atheist very soon. Useless pastors everywhere. All he is simply doing is providing excuses on why many of his prophesies did not come to pass. He thinks we are idiots.

1) This has nothing to do with God, Jesus or the Bible.
2) You don't abandon God because someone who says he's of God is fake.
3) How and when did you become a Christian? I did in the 1980s.

Wrong ways people become 'Christian':
1) Born into a home where parents go to some church. So called Christian Home or Family.
2) By marriage.
3) By joining or becoming a member of a church.
4) Because you've been baptized.
5) You eat Lord's supper.

You become a Christian by becoming a child of God, 'born of God' = born again.

No child of God leaves God because of a fake prophet.

Toks2008:
Each passing day we keep battling between upholding the ordinances of GOD and acting out our sinful fantasies but we try to live a decent life in order to avoid ending up in hell.Nevertheless I always ask myself this question;

What kind of lifestyle would I have been living if there is no heaven,hell, GOD's commandments or even judgement day?.

So let us know the type of lifestyle you will be living.

Over to you all

WE WOULD BE NO BETTER NOR WORSE THAN ANIMALS OR EVEN NON-LIVING MATTER

BUT FORTUNATELY THERE IS HEAVEN AND UNFORTUNATELY THERE IS HELL.

WE CANT WISH OR IMAGINE EITHER AWAY. IT IS OF NO CONSEQUENCE.

I'm afraid for her life. God help her.

TheGoodJoe:
The searches have uncovered huge raw cash of various denominations, local and foreign currencies, with real estate worth several millions of Naira and documents affirming unholy acts by these Judges... DSS

In one of the States where the Service operations were conducted, credible intelligence revealed that the Judge had Two Million United States Dollars ($2,000,000 USD) stashed in his house.

When the judges collected Bribes and destroyed the law, where was Fani Kayode's voice. The same person who stood side by side and watched the past administration rape this country did not cry out.

Please, FFK, you are part of the problem.

I pray Nigeria becomes great because the corruption sunk too deep.

YOU DON'T SEEM TO GET IT.

NO ONE IS JUSTIFYING CORRUPTION.

BUT THIS IS NOT DEMOCRACY NOR RULE OF LAW.

THAT'S THE POINT HE IS MAKING.

hahn:
I know what you are thinking, "my religion is the right one!"

Well, that is what the adherents of other religions also say and there are 4,199, excluding yours, of them



As you can see, the odds are not in your favour

Let us also put into consideration that there 7 versions of hell, ie 7 religions who also have hell (aside from yours),



the odds are still not in your favor.

But there is hope!

This thread aims at helping you identify if your religion is wrong as to as ensure you make the right choice and not end up in the real hell

In no particular order, here are common signs you can use in detecting if your religion is the true one and also help you identify the true religion if you happen to come across it.

Please note that the true religion will not have any of these traits.

1) Your "holy" book has lots of contradictions: Let us assume for instance that you are about to purchase a maths textbook for your kid, or for yourself, and on the first page you see "1+1=11", wouldn't this be enough to make you feel skeptical? Now, let us further imagine that you turn to the next page and the next and the next and keep seeing contradictions, would you still buy the book and even, in obvious stupidity, go around telling people that 1+1=11?

If your "holy" book has these contradictions, it would be wise to throw it in the trash can. This is an obvious sign that your religion is false.

In order find out if your "holy" book fits into this category, it would be advisable that you read it on your own. Do not rely on heresay, your pastor, imam, holy junkie to read and interpret it on your behalf. Pick it up and read it for yourself

God will be proud of you

2) You find a hard time explaining your religion to other people: Whenever someone else asks you "why" about your religious teachings you seem to find it difficult explaining it to them. No matter how hard and long you try to explain, you always seem to end up at a dead end. Most times, your religious teachings just do not make enough sense when you try explaining it to someone else.

Honestly, if your religion was from the one true "God", it wouldn't be that difficult to explain, now would it?

Afterall, God is not one of confusion.

3) Your religion seems to be plagiarized from other older religions: This one is a hard one to notice especially if you do not have adequate knowledge of other religions. If your religion has similar stories from other older religions then your religion is obviously fake. Afterall, God doesn't copy and paste.

To verify this, you would have to read up on ancient religions and point out the similarities with yours. If there are any, your religion is false.

www.google.com is a good place to start. And it's FREE!

4) You are required to believe without evidence and only faith : So, you want to buy a house and the real estate manager tells you that the house is beautiful and gives you all the specs of the house but tells you that you cannot see the house but that all you have to do is believe the house is there and make payment for the house, will you pay?

Now, apply this analogy to your faith. If someone tells you to believe whatever it is they are talking about without any proof, my bro/sis, na bobo. Pure scam. Do not risk eternity for such vague and unverifiable promises

5) You have never seen your God: Your God seems to be invincible, no one has ever seen it, or you have to carve stones and sticks just to see it then your God is nothing but a project of someone else's imagination. As beautiful and magnificent as the sun is we all see it. If your god was so real we would see it. Trust me, god would have no reason to play hide and seek.

6) Your god's characteristics contradicts itself: Your god is omnipresent but was not there when the first sin took place to prevent it. Your god is omniscient but created the devil to deceive people knowing very well they will end up in hell eventually. Your god is all loving but threatens people to love it or face eternal torture, damnation and barbecue in hell. That is not unconditional love. To know the meaning of the word unconditional, check it yourself @ www.dictionary.com. It is free.

7) Your god needs to be worshiped: Even to the extent of threatening to burn you in hell if you don't. Seriously? God that created everything needs you, a human who happens to be infinitesimal in the grand scheme of the universe, just to feel funky? If your god is truly great, it wouldn't need to servitude and slavery. These are human cravings, not that of a supreme being.

Your god supports slavery, discrimination and genocide: Just look into your holy book. If there are pages where these things are supported then your god is actually a psychopath and if you eventually see it, take it to a psychiatric hospital

9) No one has ever seen the hell or heaven of your religion: This one is kinda tricky because every religion that has hell and heaven also have adherents who have "died" and seen these places. Christians have died and seen Jesus and Jehovah so have Muslims who have died and see Allah and their future 72 virgin wives , Buddhists too etc.

Even you can deduce that there is something fishy here. Did they really see heaven or hell or just projections of their imaginations or are they just plain old lying?

10) There is no where in your holy book where your god refers itself as the god of your people: God of the Ibos? God of the Yorubas? God of the hausas? God of Africans? Have you ever heard your god refer to itself as the god of your people?

I doubt that. It is either it is god of israel or god of arabs of god of indians etc.

If your god is like this then be certain it is not a true god because a true god will not be tribalistic or take sides. After all, it did create everyone, didn't it?

11) You do not know anyone personally that has been healed miraculously by your god: And neither have you. All the "testimonies" are always in church, mosque, radio, tv, blogs, websites but never to you or people around you. You know a crippled in your area but no pastor or imam has ever been able to heal that person just out of the goodness of their heart. Very suspicious I say

12) Your god always needs money: Your pastor says you need money to build a house for god(as if spirits need to live in houses ) or that it needs money before healing you or providing any of it's other services like granting you a job, giving you a wife/husband, kids etc. It sha needs tithes and offering EVERY TIME. I mean how hard can it be for god to make money? Didn't it create everything?

A side effect of this is that the pastors, imams and spiritual junkies who collect these tithes on behalf of your god always seem to wear the finest clothes, ride the best cars, send their kids to the best schools(which 80% of the congregation cannot afford) and enjoy all the canal things of earth while you wait for paradise in heaven. Nigu

I will stop here for now. But these tips should be enough to guide you and help you avoid following the wrong religion, finding the right one and not ending up in hell.

Source: Na me write am. You dey find your own?

WHICH RELIGION IS YOURS?

They may just be paid agents testing waters for nudism.

Ruin the economy by corruption.
Then turn round to use the corruption money to buy national assets.

obowunmi:
She appeared to me in a dream and threatened to kill me.

It is not her first time.

I was close to several Pastors for prayers but they keep asking me for money. So I stopped calling them.

She won't stop threating my life.

This is a woman who never married or bore children. She has given her womb to the witches society.

Pastors, true and false, remain mere men.
Until you become a child of God who knows the God he serves the problem will continue.

TheSixthSense:
If any believer doesn't know that Murdock is a con artist then I wonder. We really need to start reading our bibles ourselves.

Con artist? I don't know.

I leave that to his conscience and to God.

In heaven on that great day there will be surprises.

The first may be the last and the last may be the first.

God help us all who say we are His children and servants.

7lives:
I was once a member of a strong pentecostal congregation, something happen that made me want to develop a personal relationship with with God.
The questions that keeps hammering into my mind them was 1. If Abraham was the father of faith, what religion did he practiced?, 2.How many commandment did Jesus Christ gave his followers?, 3.Who is a Christian?, i discovered answers to the lat two questions but i couldn't answer the first question.

1) Abraham did not have a religion. He had a relationship with God.
2) Jesus 'law' was love God, neighbor and enemy.
3) Anyone born of God, like you I believe and I.

Mascotlawman:
This happened in my friend's street. I saw it with my eyes. A python came out from a canal near a woman's house and entered her goat house, swallowed one pregnant and one male goat. The woman came out in the morning to feed her goats, when she was about to enter the goat house she now saw a big python on the floor. The python could not move again. The woman ran with her both legs shouting. All the people in the neighborhood came out. This happened in Bucknor Okoye street in Jakande Lagos.
I pity those that always buy land in swampy areas, all in the name of answering a landlord or landlady. To tell u the truth, if those goat were to be little kids sleeping, the python would have swallowed them as well. Here are the pictures.

The constrictor was obeying nature and the law of the jungle. Humans are the ones to be careful. The swamps belong to animals as this and crocks.

May people not use their money to create problems for themselves. It's ok to watch wildlife on TV.

henrydadon:
hight time u all wake up from the scam called religion


proud atheist

Correct.

Religion is essentially a scam. It is exactly what has kept you away from God who created you and is still sustaining you though in your rebellion against Him.

You won't be the first atheist not the last. Be sure, however, that God's loving hands remain stretched towards you.

Guyman02:
They are not marketers but motivational speakers, they are being used by the devil to bring division to Christianity which was the same thing that weakened the church in Constantinople (present day Turkey) allowing Islamists to take over. The Christians were so divided into denominations that they could not effectively confront the invading brutal Muslims in Constantinople and today Turkey is a Muslim country.

I dont care about the denominations, let everyone pray in the manner he things the Almighty God will hear but the body of Christ must not be in disunity.

Right and Wrong.
Unity, Yes, but not at the expense of the Truth?

Not all that is church is Church of Jesus Christ and not all that say they are 'Christian' are Christians.

You are not a Christian simply because you a member of a church or you belong to a family that has adopted a church. Going to a Church doesn't make any one a Christian. The devil goes to church too!

If you are not born of God (i.e. born again) you are NOT and CAN NOT BE a Christian. A TERRIBLE TRUTH many who say they are Christian but are not born again hate to hear.

Jesus DID NOT establish a religion, not even the CHRISTIAN RELIGION. He came to establish instead A RELATIONSHIP, or better still, to RE-ESTABLISH the intimate relationship that ADAM stupidly lost. Adam did not lose a religion. He lost for himself and us a family relationship with God, the Father. This Jesus came to re-establish! But again Satan came and twisted and perverted much of this truth to this day even among genuine children of God.

Biblical New Testament Christianity IS NOT a religion.

Thank God Murdock declined at the last minute because many children of God take him to be one of them.

[quote author=JMAN05 post=49408697][/quote]Are YOU a CHILD of God, Jehovah

JMAN05:
There seem to be many questions on this board regarding the bible, God, lifestyle, science etc, answers have also been offered. However, you might get a reasonable answer to your questions if you try and see how Jehovah's Witnesses proffer solution to those questions.

Of course, reading from our websites, can assist you with an authoritative answer from the field of JWs. (ie, www.jw.org; tv.jw.org; wol.jw.org). Jehovah's witnesses also have an application which can help someone read different versions of the bible like KJV, Bryington, ASV etc. You can also download our journals in ur own language inside this app and watch some videos. Go to play store and search for JWLibrary app.

The witnesses in ur vicinity can also assist in answering your questions. You can also send me an email for a quiet discussion devoid of distractions common in Nairaland.

But you can post ur questions here too, let's see how we can handle it, but please be civil and open minded. I won't respond to apostates or apostate sites or those I view to be unserious. I might end it if one is insincere.

I do not have answers to every question. Others like Biblespeaks, dolphinheart, truthislight can contribute also.

ARE YOU A CHILD OF GOD?

ARE YOU ONE OF THE 144,000?

gemale:
Dude if I were God ehn!, I wld regret givn u a brain cos u obviously r nt using it. So earth tremors r a sign of God's wrath? So because elrufai wants 2 regulate religious activities 2 forestall zealotry & fanaticism, God got angry & shook d earth. Where's d sense in dt? Wts d science & logic dt drives ds thought of urs? I wldnt be shocked if u happen 2 b a graduate or a master's or PhD holder. If yes, Dt shows hw f*ckd up our education sector is. If ur mind can't be liberated 4rm such hogwash & hocus-pocus, den wt separates u 4rm som1 who hasn't smelt d 4 corners of a classroom? (apart 4rm dt paper u call certificate). Read d comment abt hw previous warnings by scientists abt activities lyk borehole drilling, oil exploration etc causing tremors were left ignored & get emancipated 4rm ur mental slavery.

BOTH OF YOU ARE RIGHT.

JESUS HAD FOREKNOWLEDGE AND SPOKE WITHOUT EXPLAINING THE SCIENCE. THERE WAS NO WAY THEY COULD UNDERSTAND THAT - THAT UNBRIDLED HUMAN 'DEVELOPMENT' ACTIVITIES OF THE LAST 150 YEARS OR SO WOULD DISTURB EARTH'S DELICATE NATURAL PHYSICAL BALANCE AND RYTHM.

CLEARLY, GOD DID NOT CAUSE THE TREMOR. IT IS A CAUSE AND EFFECT THING.

salients:
This is serious, KSG should waste no time in consulting the service of seismologist for professional advice and avert loss of live to this disaster.

This is indeed a natural disaster that cannot be averted by human techniques but swift action is needed to save lives of people living that area

NEMA too should be at alert!

Matthew 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

fxskye:
Oh! as you have claimed, we can conclude that US Govt is aiding northern muslim leaders to islamize Nigeria? Congrats on your thoughtful logic.

Oh no! Another illogical response. I dont think you understand my post.

Thanks. I'm done.

True or not. God's will alone will prevail.

nextprince:
Address the cause rather than wasting ur time on the symptoms as that wouldn't solve the problem. The Christians should stop blaspheming cos the muslims don't joke with it. The earlier u take that instruction, the better. Must u insult their religion as if ur life depends on it? Freedom of expression does not include insulting other people's religion. let the mentions start rolling in, nonsense.

Compare your post with what God and Jesus said in the Bible:
1) Love your neighbour.
2) Love your enemies.
3) Pray for those that hate you and abuse you.
4) Dont revenge. Vengeance is mine.

How many times have Christians in Nigeria and anywhere in the world attacked atheist who REGULARLY blaspheme Yahweh, Jesus and the Bible.

You Muslims say our Bible is corrupted. Do we physically attack you.

Check your conscience.

fxskye:
Because Kerry is a Muslim and came from Saudi Arabia? Oh! Nigerian Muslims have successfully woo the US leaders to assist them in the cause of Islamization of Nigeria?

Now, I can confirm there a lots of Hippocrates in Nigeria.

Have we forgotten so soon the periods when CAN was holding different crusaders across Nigeria? I can never forget Ilorin for Christ, Iwo for Christ and muslims didn't raise any eyebrow about it.

You Muslims and your logic!

So, OFFICIAL DIPLOMATIC VISIT = CHRISTIAN CRUSADES by Nigerians in their own country?

Na wah o!

Reference:
Let's get one thing straight. God blesses people. And God is not poor, but is Almighty. When He gives, the world will get to know. It cannot be hidden. However, what we choose to do with the blessings is where we rise fiurther or fall into sin. Buy say a pastor or just another church member cannot own a Rolls Royce or a Boeing Business Jet is just nonsense. Thinking. For goodness sake, who else are these things for.

Correct, but this same Biblical principle has been exploited to promote money worship and materialism in the Church. Believers are warned not to be carried away by the deceitfulness of riches by Mammon.

What illogicality!

Many times I dont understand Muslim logic.

So TBJ = The Sultan?

Kerry's OFFICIAL visit = PERSONAL visits of fetish African leaders to a false prophet.

These Religionists dont represent God. I wonder how much of CAN represents Jesus.