winner01:
You meant to say "God cannot be totally discovered by the human ability". But we can keep making discoveries about our world and at the same time sincerely seek to know God.

This relies on faith, of which I have none. And sincerity is entirely subjective.

winner01:
One word, ETERNAL, you people need to stop fitting a much more manageable God in your created brains. I believe you will fing this helpful: https://www.nairaland.com/2816262/god-created-everything-created-god

May I quote from the article in that link:

The only possible escape for the atheist is the invention of a kind of super universe, which can never be confirmed experimentally (hence it is metaphysical in nature, and not scientific).

God cannot be confirmed experimentally either. The writer has destroyed his own argument. The rest of the article is just speculation.

By your own logic god must have a creator since something as perfect as he cannot just come into existence. He must have a creator.

cocoduck:
Hahahahhahahahahahah, foolishness, 1914 is the year Satan was ousted from heaven for the very last time, according to Revelation 12:12, that happened in the year 1914.

And according to the JW's this would be the beginning of God's Kingdom on earth, which certainly has not happened.

cocoduck:
Jehovah's Witnesses have NEVER at any time predicted that the end if the world will be at so and so time, that has NEVER happened, those things were said by enemies and detractors to deceive people, Jesus himself, the only begotten son of Jehovah said to his disciples, concerning that day or hour, no man knows, only the Father, Jehovah knows when it will be, so who are Jehovah's Witnesses to say that the end will be at so an so time. Jesus only told everyone who cars to listen, the signs he or she will see, just as before a storm, you will clearly see signs that a storm is about to happen.
This predicting the world by JW is a Huge lie, I know you will start quoting watchtower of 1520s to prove it, that is what your likes normally do, so I expect it, but no such nonsense was ever printed on any watchtower, ever you people are the ones who keep faking these things.

No. They predicted that the "God's Kingdom" would come in 1914, and when that failed, they said it would come in 1925. That failed too. Then they began to say that God's Kingdom would not actually eliminate all non-believers, but rather it would occur on earth among the non-believers, and had already started. Since then they have given up trying to predict an actual year.

johnydon22:


Yeah you heard right, now please send me all your money so i can keep them for you cus i don't know why you'd need money when we are already at the end game.

Nobody needs money in heaven neither will the horse ride with Jesus back to heaven be paid for and there is absolutely no reason why you should be stashing money when you'd have no need for it since the end is here and Christ is coming

it's like buying pop corn for a movie that is already finished and is just showing the post introduction (Names of actors and crew)

So please thank you all very much as you send me your money and remember the bible says you should forgo the riches of the world and follow Christ, stash your riches in heaven not here on earth....

I'm Very serious..

I'll keep them safe for you so you can go to heaven properly .....

"For the love of money is the root of all evil". I do not love money, therefore it's best to let me dispose of any money sent to you lest you fall into wickedness. So make sure whatever you get is transferred to me. Have faith that I know how to get rid of it.

cocoduck:
a warning to all atheists never you argue with a Jehovah's Witness, because they surly will defeat your "logical" thinking, honestly, because they are the ones who understand and study the bible deeply, a lot of so called Christians don't really know what the Bible is all about, that is why your "logic" defeats them.

Jehovah's Witnesses? You mean the group that keeps predicting the end of the world and gets it wrong every time when the date passes and nothing happens? What date is the 'new' end of the world?

Finally the proof that I have been waiting for! I am completely convinced and am no longer an atheist, but a devout theist. Praise be!

That's how Islamic extremism came into West Africa in the first place!

Just wanted to point out that there are many Muslimahs who shake men's hands. When greeting I generally wait until they offer their hand first.

malvisguy212:


CHRISTIANS ARE CALLED TO UNDERSTAND
EVIDENCE>>>>Acts 17:31
31 because He has fixed a day in which
He will judge the world in righteousness through a Man whom He has appointed, having furnished PROOF to all men by raising Him from the dead.”

Can you show me this proof? Just saying it's in a book is useless because books can be fiction or non-fiction, and the Bible has known errors and inconsistencies.

JackBizzle:


I have an 06 range rover? I try?

Not good enough. But I might reconsider if you call yourself His Holy Annointed Rev. Dr. Apostle Prophet ____________

I'm easily impressed by titles.

I want to see what your revivals will look like first. It must have all-night praise, dancing, shouting, and rolling on the floor hysteria before I will set foot inside.

And if you don't at least have an S-class Mercedes then we ain't even talking!

malvisguy212:
rejecting christ is your choice....trust me,you don't understand the bible. Truth contradict you.

Just like you don't understand the Quran or the Buddhadarma or the Bhagavad Gita or......whatever other religious book is out there.

Anas09:

Your demand is the dumbest I have ever Come across.
Wonderful.

This may work on sheep, but not me. Enjoy your evening.

lexiconkabir:


In simple terms you were being hypocritical when using it for justification.

But you accept this history, right? I'm just using Islamic history to make a point. ANd you fail to deny this.

Every religion has its sacred sites(as far as in know) where non-adherent of that faith is not allowed to enter, so you need to get your facts right.

A practice I find objectionable because it implies that non-believers are somehow inferior or impure. It creates a sense of prejudice in people.

When you cant prove something its best you dont say it! This statement of yours shows uncertainty, i wonder why you hold on to conjectures that cant be proven just to stay against islam.

You can't prove Muhammad is a prophet but you keep claiming it. Let me continue to reference Islamic history even if there are clear doubts about much of it.

Ridda wars wasnt even borne out of people disbelieving in Muhammad pbuh after he died, the main reason was the rebel group claimed they accepted Muhammad as prophet of Allah and didnt owe Abu Bakr anything(i.e they didnt want to pledge allegiance), here is an excerpt from wikipedia;

The Ridda wars (Arabic: حروب الردة), also known as the Wars of Apostasy, were a series of military campaigns launched by the Caliph Abu Bakr against rebel Arabian tribes during 632 and 633 AD, just after Muhammad died.[1] [size=18pt]The rebels' position was that they had submitted to Muhammad as the prophet of God, but owed nothing to Abu Bakr.[/size]

'Ridda' means apostasy which means someone who has quit his religion. If they were not apostates, why call them apostasy wars (some of them continued to accept Muhammad as a prophet but others, like the followers of Musaylimah, considered him to be the prophet of the age and not Muhammad). It is also mentioned that the rebellious tribes were ignoring the azaan (call to prayer) which would seem a wholesale rejection of Islam by at least some of the rebel groups.

From the New World Encyclopedia:

Some withheld the Zakat, the alms tax (2 ½ percent of disposal income), though they did not challenge the prophecy of Muhammad. Others apostatized outright and returned to their pre-Islamic religion and traditions, classified by Muslims as idolatry.

So there is conflicting accounts.

Anas09:

Romans Chapter 1:22.
Professing themselves to be wise, they have become fools.
The day that scripture was written, the Holy Spirit had you in mind.
Christians should show people on earth the souls of people who are dead before you will believe... Wonderful. If that doesn't happen what will happen? U'll reject Christ the second time and then he will lose his Majestic throne?
HahahahahahahahaHHHa. Onetrack, you must think yourself a real catch. Wonderful.
Stay in your unbelief you hear? Let Christ lose His throne as a result.

I have already rejected Christ. Let the Christians (or Muslims) prove what they claim. Don't quote the Bible at me, I know what it says.

Oladim001:
Are u serious something that is part of the bible is mythology wow someone is beginning to see the truth

Religion and mythology are the same thing.

Anas09:

You are not?

Feel free to look at my post history. I am an atheist, and have never pretended to be anything but.

At this very moment I am debating a Muslim on another thread.

Anas09:

Onetrack. Careful, you are veering out of track. You are a Muslim, but now you are beginning to sound like an atheist. Are you dropping Islam?

lol what? Can you show me where I said I am a Muslim?

lexiconkabir:


Then, why use it to justify that some people left islam after the death of Muhammad, when you don't accept the story?

Because you are required to believe it as a sunni Muslim and I am asking you to say whether or not you agree with Muhammad's demand to expel the non-Muslims. Since it is a sahih hadith, you accept that Muhammad said this. Whether he actually said it or not no one can know.

No mister, here is your statement:

And there are no non-Muslims in Mecca because Muhammad ordered the Muslims to expel all non-Muslims from the Arabian Peninsula (ethnic and religious cleansing, which would be a crime against humanity today).

Your reply was a result of the following assertion made by me:

moreover the mecca of today is 100% of muslim officially, was that how it was in the past?

So you tried to make it seem as if mecca became 100% Muslim populated by expulsion of non Muslims, so I'm asking you to tell us any major expulsion that took place apart from the two i stated earlier.

We know that there were non-Muslims in Mecca, since it existed before Muhammad. Whether they were Jewish, pagan, or Christian we can only guess based on what Muslims wrote about the inhabitants.

We also know that non-Muslims are forbidden to enter Mecca today, and I wonder what justification they use for this. At some point the population must have converted or fled. Muslim historians have written about the Ridda wars. Whether they actually happened or not, who can verify? However, Islamic scholars have accepted that these events occurred, and if they did then that would show that the population did not simply convert out of a strong belief that Muhammad was a prophet, which was the point I was trying to make.

Anas09:

The Myth Islam is fighting, killing those who don't believe that Muhammed was a prophet and is in the Myth? How old are you?

There is no difference between the Christianity and Islam in terms of a mythological basis. Muhammad almost certainly existed, and Jesus may have existed as well, but the theological basis of the two religions, and all other theistic religions, is man-made.

Islam has some beliefs that I find very dangerous, if this is what you are asking me. I do not defend Islam in the slightest.

lexiconkabir:


How hypocritical! When the war of Ridda wasnt hidden, and the fact that some people renounced islam after the death of Muhammad wasnt hidden either you didnt doubt the story, but when the same sources tells you that banu qurayza were expelled for breaking their treaty and waged war against Muhammad, you are now saying you cant take the story, smh

Far from it. I don't accept any one sided source uncritically. It may be that the entire thing is completely made up (ridda wars and expulsions of the Jews). However for you, you are required to accept at face value the sahih hadiths which describe many of these things.

Your main point is non-muslims were expelled from Arabia which makmakesed Arabia an 100% muslim populated region(officially), so I'm asking to tell me the expulsion that took place, apart from the ones i mentioned earlier(justifying why).

And no! I am amongst the people of Sunna.

No. My main point is that Muhammad ordered the expulsions of all non-muslims while he lay dying. He also cursed the Christians and the Jews. Whether or not the Christians and Jews were finally expelled after his death doesn't change his dying wishes (according to the hadith).

Any religion that cannot prove that their followers go to some heaven should be treated as a scam.

By that I mean that these pastors (or mallams or priests) should be able to show people on earth the souls of the departed in heaven. And they should be able to show us the souls of the nonbelievers roasting in hell. Good luck with that!

lexiconkabir:


Mr....i asked this;

Apart from banu nadir and banu qurayza that were expelled in the lifetime of the prophet for breaking their peace treaty and waged war against Muhammad pbuh, can you pls tell me another major expulsion that happened? i'm willing to learn

You are yet to give me answers, yet you seem to still hold on to views that Muslims expelled non-muslims(unjustly) from Arabia.

The only histories from this time are reported by Muslims only; we don't have the story from the Jews; I'm quite sure that they would say that Muhammad broke the treaty. I cannot accept blindly a one-sided report on the Banu Qurayza.

Do you deny that Muhammad said to expel the non Muslims from Arabia? Are you a Quranist?

gimakon:


That part I have to agree with you. But that is old testament, does it happen in present day?

Much of the old testament is mythology anyway, so I don't believe this story about Elisha and the bears.

gimakon:


-20

Are you sure? Elijah existed in old testanment and those children had parents whose beliefs was other gods. Didn't you think God had his anger on them for insulting his appointed one?

Killing children is evil. A god who gets angry is not worth worshiping because he has a terrible flaw.

Oladim001:
The same Muhammad that spared all non-muslims when he conquered Mecca right seriously think before you post

It's a 'sahih' hadith. Are you saying you don't believe it? Are you Muslim?

Hannysmilez:
The Bible also calls Non-Christians 'goats' and tells us they'd be condemned to 'hell fire'. Its okay for the Bible to command Saul to slay every living thing in Amalek,but not okay for the Quaran to do so? You should really think before speaking.

The Bible is just as bad. "God" also sent bears to kill a bunch of children because they made fun of a prophet.

No, it's not ok whether it's in the Bible or Quran. I'm atheist.

HalimaSadiya:

It's only criticism if you have facts to back it up not "Boko Haram" or all that others commit murder too but in other forms

If the people of Boko Haram say that they are Muslims and say that they accept Muhammad as a prophet and Allah as the only god, then according to Islamic tradition, no one should say that they are not Muslims. Saying that a Muslim is not a Muslim is called 'takfir' and is considered a sin.

HalimaSadiya:

What country if I may ask ? And I'm also not "bashing" Christianity...it seems some nairalanders are from another planet because I have friends from the east that go "Halima wake up for Fajr" some even use "Dankwali" (Veil) and call themselves "Hajiya" but when I come online it's another thing entirely or they're just trolling I don't know

They may be trolls, or they may just be afraid to criticise publicly for fear of threats. Personally for me it's not a matter of liking or disliking a religion, I think they are all man-made, but I don't like it when people of any religion try to prevent debate or criticism of their religion.

HalimaSadiya:

Whatever the case may be we're not all "terrorists" not that your opinions (if they're filled with hate and ignorance) are important anyway

I never said Muslims were all terrorists, did I? I currently live in an African country that is 90% Muslim, and I went to a bar last Saturday with Muslim friends (beer-drinking Muslims, mind you).

But the verses and hadiths that appeal to violence are there (such as Muhammad ordering the Muslims to expel all non-Muslims from Arabia)