HalimaSadiya:

Those people are not following Islam , they are very wrong

They will tell you that you are wrong.

HalimaSadiya:

Whoever hurts a non Muslim will not see paradise.

There are numerous verses and hadiths which directly contradict that.

HalimaSadiya:
Funny thing is this attitude is usually on public forums like this , they don't display their hatred in reality (if they have any) or you people only have guts behind the screens of your phones and laptops ? Or what had this peaceful religion done to you ?

Well the Quran describes non-Muslims as 'deluded', the 'worst of creatures', 'like cows', 'fuel for the hellfire' and other such things, why should we like Islam?

Stupedinluv:
My religion having the answers or not is not the focal point of this thread.

How did those villagers know God exist just by the things they see around them? Remember, no indoctrination.

They know that god exists in the same way they know that illness is not caused by infection or cancer but rather by evil spirits. The same way that they know that curses and witchcraft can be used to to harm their enemies. The same way that they can determine future events by looking at the stars. In other words, they use the same junk 'research' methods that kept Europeans in the dark ages for 1000 years.

This is a natural result of not having the knowledge to explain the things that they see around them in a scientific manner, so they were left to make up stories and superstitions, and this is where religion comes from.

And this is why they believe unquestioningly in this god (which one, by the way?).

If you are still living under her roof then you may just need to go along with it until you are out of her house and supporting yourself. In the meantime you can ask her to question why she is doing certain things. It may not work as some people are in very deep and have no desire to think seriously about why they believe.

rawgame:

Doesn't this “prove” that Jesus worked miracles? What it proves is that many in his day were convinced that he worked miracles and that his enemies were aware of sufficient positive evidence of this that they felt they needed to explain it.

In an age where people routinely believed in miracles and sorcery, it is very possible that other people thought that Jesus may have engaged in sorcery. However, an atheist and skeptic such as myself does not accept any such claims at face value.

All you are doing is suggesting that a man named Jesus (Yeshua) probably existed around the time that Christians believe. I can accept that. However it is one thing to claim that he existed, but quite another to say that he performed miracles and is sitting at the right hand of an unseen god.

There are legends surrounding other people who actually lived as well, but the stories themselves are either untrue or exaggerated. I believe the same about Jesus: he may have existed but was not the son of god, a prophet, or a miracle worker because none of those have ever been proven to exist.

bytemeister:

Why won't I sound pained when all they do is speak ill of both the bible and quran. They know too much and they'll point out exactly where errors are, why can't they just keep their smartness to themselves while we keep on been ignorant, afterall where folly is a bliss it's foolish to be wise

In one sense I agree that ignorance is bliss; however, there are millions of people whose ignorance is being taken advantage of by pastors and mallams, and pointing out problems with religious texts is one way to combat this.

Britain isn't exactly squeaky clean. The Rotherham rape gang and others operated with impunity for years with the knowledge of the British police.

I have no need for imaginary friends. Especially ones who let people be killed in all kinds of cruel ways.

Aminat508:
I am a Muslim, Alhamdulillah!!


Terrorists are not Muslims.

Terrorism has no religion. The Quran says: “Whoever kills a person, it is as though he has killed all mankind. And whoever saves a life, it is as though he had saved all mankind.” (Quran, 5:32)

I would only ask you to put the following verse (Quran 5:33):

"Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment,

Sounds pretty horrible to me, especially since the phrase 'to cause corruption' is not defined. Perhaps being a Christian or atheist is 'spreading corruption' and therefore they may be crucified and have their hands and feet hacked off?

analice107:

In so doing, they polluted their bloodline. It's hard to get a pure blooded Jew now.
Lord Save the Jews

No one is 'pure blooded' anything. All peoples are a mix of different haplotypes.

This was widely believed in the United States in the 1800s, before anyone had actually researched the issue.

lexiconkabir:
alright onetrack, your 2 claims are easily debunked, 1. The prophesy is in two parts, the romans will be victorious and the muslims will also be victorious on that same day, both prophesies were fulfilled accurately, if at all you claim the quran was changed to suit this event, why did the muslims became victorious that same day?............ 2. The romans were almost completely overpowed by the persians that the probability of being victorious is so close to 0, yet the quran still said, the romans will be victorious, and they did, if what you claim is true, ordinarily it shouldve been written that the persians would be victorious. Think bro, think!

I'm saying that prophecy is easy after the fact. In other words, this was written down after these events took place. We have zero physical proof (as in documents that can be clearly dated to before the events took places) that these prophecies were made before the events themselves. In any case, ancient history is full of people making prophetic statements that supposedly came true, only we have no proof that these predictions were actually made before the events, because the documents themselves were written after, like the Quran in this case.

This is basic historiography--I am trained in this field and this is what any historian would say about this type of thing.

lexiconkabir:
@onetrackdid you used the word many? pls tell us the exact number that renouced islam, moreover the mecca of today is 100% of muslim officially, was that how it was in the past?

I can't tell you the exact number as it is not recorded, however the Muslims who wrote about it mention specifically the fact that people who converted to Islam then renounced it after Muhammad's death. It's called the "Ridda Wars" because "Ridda" means apostasy, in this case people who apostasized from Islam. Go read about the Ridda Wars, this is not a disputed part of early Islamic history.

And there are no non-Muslims in Mecca because Muhammad ordered the Muslims to expel all non-Muslims from the Arabian Peninsula (ethnic and religious cleansing, which would be a crime against humanity today).

As with all prophecies, this is easily debunked.

1) The Quran was not compiled in final written form until the 640s. The event in question happened many years earlier. Easy enough to change verses to match what actually happened, especially considering that Muhammad was still alive when the battle occurred.

2) The Persians and Romans had been battling for several centuries, with the Romans winning some battles and the Persians winning some. Predicting that one side would win a battle is hardly amazing.

It would be like me saying that I predicted the US invasion of Iraq many years before it happened, only I just got around to writing it down now.

This prophesy made the whole pagan arabs of makkah see the truth in islam, so they reverted to the only true faith on earth(ISLAM), maybe, just maybe this thread might make someone see the light in islam.

False. Upon Muhammad's death, many of the people who had converted to Islam renounced it and said they didn't actually believe Muhammad, and that they they had converted only because he was the most powerful person in Mecca. This resulted in the Ridda Wars.

Am currently at St. Mattress, and I expect I will be here much of the morning.

You should have entitled this: "Positive non-Muslim views about Muhammad", because you include nothing critical of him. There are many famous thinkers and writers who had negative things to say about him.

And you will never understand the ways of the FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER until you draw him close.

I was forced to go to church until I was 16, but I tried constantly to avoid going. I read the Bible but did not see it as a holy book. I never prayed unless forced to. When my mother stopped forcing me to go to church I stopped immediately and have not gone back--this was quite a few years ago. I think I was a 'born atheist' because I never took teligion seriously.

White Christians used the story of Ham in the Bible to justify enslavement of Africans. So what should I think about the Bible?

Christianity isn't all bad... Judas was actually a good guy.

analice107:

LOlzzz, just listen to yourself, God is evil for tolerating it, yet God doesn't exist, God is not all-powerful and therefore do not deserve worship. Shouldnt you stick to one and make common sense?
From this day, I have grouped you together with Ifeness, dalaman, and the other lots. I will never take you serious again. You are daft man.

That's not the sense of my post. I'm saying that the idea of an all-powerful, good God cannot exist given the reality of the world.

And you are absolutely free to think whatever you want about me.

2 Timothy 3:1-8

1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,

7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.

He is not talking about atheists here, he is talking about Christians.

I tend to agree. In my experience people who leave Islam become non-religious, like agnostic or atheist. I saw one survey of ex-Muslims (admittedly unscientific) in which more than 90% of them did not join another religion after leaving Islam. Converting to Christianity happens, but I think it's the minority who do this.

Narrated Abu Huraira:
The verse "You (true Muslims) are the best of peoples ever raised up for mankind." means, the best of peoples for the people, as you bring them with chains on their necks till they embrace Islam.

Source: http://sunnah.com/urn/42350

asalimpo:


Or...
d) God doesnt interfere with human will (except explicitly invited)
e) The heart of Man is desperately wicked (as the bible says) and man doesnt need
education but a new heart (spirit).
f) There's a devil, who works through men.

Possibly but I tend to say that these required at least some evidence, especially the devil bit.

KingEbukaNaija:


An unbelief in God is a pathetic illogical stance . We Christians say God is the cause of the material world/universe . What do you say ? The cause is unknown but it can't be an eternal conscious creator

Do you see how illogical that sounds ?

I'm agnostic atheist. Meaning I don't know for sure if there is a god. But I don't know the cause of the universe, or if it was uncaused.

HCpaul:

You just proved my sayings to be right.

If sitting in the church for 16 years does not make you a christian, then how did you became an atheist by simply leaving church.

I can only preach to sinners and the lost souls but not to backsliders.

In the world of christian, Atheism does'nt exist.

Is either you become a sinner or you are a saint. Their is no neutral kingdom and you cannot sit on the fence.


IF RICHARD DACKIN IS RISKING ETERNITY, YOU DON'T HAVE TO.

I did not become an atheist by leaving the church, I became an atheist by lacking a belief in any god, whether it be Yahweh or Allah or Sango.

And while I don't believe in the concept of sin, clearly by your standards I am a sinner. Which is okay with me.

HCpaul:
Check the root of all the so called atheists that we have here on Nairaland and you will realize that they are not atheist but backsliders from the christian faith.

I went to church for 16 years, but sitting in a church doesn't make me Christian any more than sitting in a garage makes me a car.

None of what you wrote is going to make me believe that some god exists.

Given all of these terrible crimes, either:

a) God is evil for tolerating it
b) God does not exist
c) God is not all-powerful and therefore does not deserve worship

jimmynauty:


sure even your spagetti monster is an unseen god revealed to the great ones called athiest...

But I know he's real because I feel His Noodly Appendage touching my heart.