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Speechless3:
The religionist/man uses his head first. He thinks, if this thing is here, i think someone must have kept it here. That someone has made it is not a question/issue. Thats settled in our brains because we do not ascribe designs/works to chance at any point. Logic 101.

The atheist thinks with his heart first. He is first of all offended that a God will demand for accountability from him. And then he proceeds to question his authority and then his existence. Looooool. Thats backwards.

No, this is religionist logic: the earth exists -----> there must be a creator -----> therefore Jesus is our lord and savior (or Muhammad is a prophet). These are huge gaps that just cannot be ignored.

Skeptic logic (atheist, if you will), says that until there is sound evidence for any particular creator, it does not make sense to make one up and believe in it.

Speechless3:
No it is not simple. Are you saying a barbarian who has no idea how cars are made or has no past experience at all will be logical if he sees an abandoned car in a bush and then reason it to be as a result of chance?

If he is logical then he will not make any assumptions about what the car is or how it got there. However, I would not expect a barbarian to be particularly logical; he would probably assign a superstitious reason, like the gods put it there.

Sigh. Atheism is not a philosophy or dogma, and there is no requirement that all atheists be logical. I wish it were the case, but it is not true.

In any case, I know that people manufacture cars because I have visited plants where cars are made. I have not seen gods manufacturing earths or universes and so I cannot say that the earth has any specific creator, or that it was even created by any supernatural being. Very simple.

As an atheist, I have been waiting for faith healers to bring their proof of miracles; instead they just bring silly clown performances.

misterbear:
Christopher Hitchens, Sam Harris, Lawrence Krauss (and even more recently Richard Dawkins) are some of those refreshingly consistent atheists who do not believe in giving any religion a pass.

Also, I think that the Masked Arab on youtube has done an impeccable job of showing the flaws in Islam.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9JU55HpvRvCSb1TO2w_eDA/videos

folksync:
A lot of Christians think that in heaven, they would be glorifying God by singing hosanna forever and ever. Is that a form of existence?

That would be hell for me.

Which god? Humans have created so many of them....

May I come to the funeral service?

misterbear:
No Speechless3 is right. Atheists - especially in the west - do tend to concentrate exclusively on Christianity and often appear to give other religions a free pass. If you listen to the public speeches of Richard Dawkins during the past decade, and if you read his book The God Delusion, his blows are largely if not exclusively directed at Christianity and Christians in particular (even the old testament Judaic text is attacked only in the context of it being part of the Christian bible). While this may be easily explained by the fact that Christianity is the religion that has traditionally dominated western culture and thus is the one western atheists are most likely to attack, it doesn't explain the relative apathy they often seem to display towards other religions even when they are prominent in public consciousness and even when they are characterized by violent extremism. Islam is the most obvious example. Many Christians have pointed out that secular liberals in the west are often extremely tolerant and even protective of Islam and tend to excuse Muslims of behaviors that they would attack Christians for if they were the ones doing it. These are legitimate complaints that even atheists like Richard Dawkins have recognized:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3a7igsWpPSQ.

By the way, it is also true that atheists do often attack Christians (not just Christianity) as being "stu.pid", "du.mb", "mentally ill" etc etc...

It's hard to criticise a religion that one is not very familiar with, hence less criticism of Islam.

However I look at a number of atheist facebook pages (i.e. Atheist Republic and others) and there is plenty of criticism of Islam.

Also if you read "God is not Great", by Christopher Hitchens, you will see very muscular criticism of Islam.

And do a search on youtube for 'Christopher Hitchens Islam' and you will see just how many clips there are of him criticising Islam.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sEcBzxoMB8

You are wrongly mixing trust and faith. I trust in certain things because I have evidence that such a thing is true; that is, I trust my legs will support me when I stand because I have stood many times before. However, faith means that I believe in something without any evidence to support my belief. I have no faith in anything.

In any case you list some claims which are not falsifiable (such as predictions) and therefore are not useful to support you argument.

I can assure you that Bibles do indeed burn. Nothing miraculous to see here.

analice107:
Pls take a minute and consider Satan's antics since Eden.

Satan to Eve: Did God say you shd not...?

It's the same thing as saying;
Satan to Jesus : If you say you are the son of God, turn this stones to bread.

Now consider this.

Athiests: If God exists, let him show Himself physically then we will believe. If not, he doesn't exist.

Satan: If Jesus says he is the son of God, let him throw himself down from this high mountain, if not, he is not the son of God.

It's like Satan saying all over again, if you say you are God (having the power to do all things) then appear physically let people see you.

Satan is a myth, but in the context of the story, I actually agree with him. Satan didn't always do the right thing, but he was correct here.

It's not as if he can't, because he did. Christ was God in the flesh.

Unsubstantiated claims. The Bible is not proof of anything, anymore than a movie is proof of Harry Potter.

Consider also the fact that these atheists claim they are the elit, the intelligent ones, yet becomes dumb when it comes to them using their intelligence to differentiate between a spirit and flesh. The spiritual realm and the natural realm.

If you can't show me this spiritual realm, why bring it up?

@Onetract wants a physical evidence of God, forgetting that God has physically manifested himself in Christ.
Satan went to Jesus looking for evidence, atheists are here looking for evidence.

Onetrack, why have you not demanded that Energy and wind takes a form and stand before you so that you can believes they actually exists?
Guy, tell your master, Satan to come up with another Card. This one is over used.

The existence of evidence and energy are directly observable and testable. Simple.

Atheism is a branch of Satanism.
Satan declared himself God, he doesn't worship another. Atheists declare themselves gods, they don't worship another.
Atheism is Satan's religion.

Lol. You do not know what atheism means.

I hear now in America, they go to hospitals evangelizing to folk afflicted with deadly diseases, telling them not to be afraid of death, because there's nothing on the other side.

No. That is what Christians do. Though it sounds like a good idea for atheists.

My concern is, if there's nothing on the other side, WHY THEN ARE THEY WORKING SO HARD? now they even go for evangelism to turn people away from Christ? Why?
God doesn't exist, then go, eat and make merry.
You see? This is why I believe Christianity is true.
A tree that bears no fruits, recieves no stones.

Christians have historically not been kind to atheists, making it hard to eat and make merry. We want to change that, and we are, little by little.

Amberon:
Did Christ criticize people's beliefs? No! Christianity is the religion with the highest level of tolerance. USA, Canada and UK are the most welcoming and liberal Nations in the world and theyre all christian Nations. The South of Nigeria is another example.

The Jains have managed 2500 years without a single war in the name of religion. They have the Christians beat.

Speechless3:
Its your headache not mine

No one ever said that being a missionary was easy.

Amberon:
Thats like saying Hitler didn't attack the Jews but Judaism. An attack on Christianity is an attack on Christians. Either Way's, we aren't moved.

Nonsense, Hitler attacked the Jews and Judaism. There is a big difference between attacking people and attacking ideas.

Speechless3:
Onetrack, You cannot separate a man from his belief. You insult his belief, you are questioning his intelligence and sensibility. Nobody likes to look like a "whimp" As far as attack their are so many forms of it.

By stopping them from practising their religion you are saying verbal reduction and detraction of their religion is not enough until force is applied. In any case, they were still attacked whether verbally or forcefully.

People have rights; ideas do not have rights. I will continue to criticise religion. It is your right to be offended, however that will not stop me. The history of Christianity also contains plenty of examples of Christians criticising other religious beliefs.

opeaceo:
Ok, you claim both titles #clapsforhim

Someone just proved the OP right.

I have clearly explained why I am both. This is not a controversial position in philosophy. However I can't force you to understand. .

Speechless3:
You attack islam and others but not as strongly and aggressively as you do christians. This is a well known fact. Christians have it worse with atheists. But that's just on the surface, if we look deeper atheists are the ones having it hard with Christians.

Most English-speaking atheists are probably former Christians, and hence they would be more familiar with Christian theology, and so are more likely to criticise it. In addition, most former Christians are probably surrounded by Christians and so it makes more sense to criticise what is relevant to their lives, rather than attack a far-off religion somewhere else. You also rarely see Buddhists attacked for the same reason. If you check my post history you will see that I have often criticised Islam.

No you dont attack only christianity you attack christians for christianity is the reason why they are christians. If you attack my philosophy, my motivation, my belief, my only hope you are attacking me for my life consist of these things.

No, Attacking Christians would mean that I would want to see them prevented from practicing their beliefs (like going to church, etc.). I do not wish this at all, as long as it does not consist of forcing me to go along with it.

In any case, I suggest you develop thicker skin regarding your religion whilst online, because I can assure you that we atheists will continue to criticise Christianity in the same way that Christian missionaries criticised the traditional African religions when they came to Africa.

And you are completely free to criticise, even mock, the atheist position. I will not lose any sleep, and if you are really clever, I might just laugh!

opeaceo:
Atheism is different from agnosticism. The OP is referring to the atheist.

They are different concepts but I am both at the same time: Atheist refers to a state of belief (there is no god) and agnostic refers to a state of knowledge (not enough information to conclude).

So I am an agnostic atheist: I lack belief in any gods but I don't have enough information to be sure there isn't one.

opeaceo:
Honestly speaking, I wish I knew, Most of them start off with "If there is a God...", since you don't believe in God, why use the preposition " if"??

Because most of us are actually agnostic, meaning that we could accept the existence of a god if there were any evidence.

Instead of them to invest their energy into something worthwhile and beneficial or seek knowledge in their new found "path", NO, they'll rather quote phrases that they cant ordinarily explain, argue at the mention of the name of Jesus; arguments to waste time, arguments that won't benefit anyone, arguments that would lead no one nowhere.

Sounds like Christians and Muslims as well.

Speechless3:
It could be there is something in it.

It keeps reinforcing my belief, that Christianity is the right path to God.

Is God using atheism as one of the tools to test his church and purify it?

Are atheists freely attacking christians or they are being "programmed" to?

I am a theist, i choose common sense.

Plenty of us atheists attack other religions, particularly Islam. You just have to look a bit harder.

By the way, we don't attack Christians, we attack Christianity. There is a difference.

I am atheist with lots of Christian and Muslim friends. None of them are crazy so we get along great. We just have to agree to disagree about some things.

The Flying Spaghetti Monster is the only way to heaven, where you indulge in strippers and beer for eternity. May you be touched by His noodly appendage.

Good day religitards!

A few more atheist memes!

So you wish to legalize slavery and child marriages; those are part of Allah's perfect law.

What do you expect from someone who makes his living by getting hit in the head repeatedly.

As usual, the late great Christopher Hitchens nails it. Here he is talking about what he would have done if he were in Abraham's place.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVoloVvsupM

nd07:
Oh! good. now I know where u r coming from. u don't even believe there is God, talk more of His laws. u don't even believe that life is a gift which would be accounted for someday. u while away in deceit, thinking that u r d Lord of urself. brother, ain't judging u but remember that d entire macrocosm is pointing to a message. showing that man & his environs r the making of a powerful force-God & we owe Him one thing, keeping His laws. either we know it alive or most dangerously, in death.

I am not in the least afraid. If there is a god then he or she will see that I applied reason to my beliefs. In any case, a god that created a hell is not worthy of worship anyway.

nd07:
Satanic lies. do u realize d rate pollution & filt enter ur mind as u imagine those unrealistic mind dirty pictures? nothing destroys mind productivity & creativity like dirty imagination

I am an atheist who does not believe in your beloved Satan. Imagining sex is a very important part of a person's sexual life.

Sex, imagining sex, and masturbation are completely normal parts of who we are as humans.

englishmart:
that has been the case for a long time

I know. I don't see why masturbation is such a dangerous word.

englishmart:
why them mods no censor that word?

Because it is a proper scientific term and not a slang word. Would you rather have a silly euphemism like 'self-service'?