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Postponing the evil day. Nothing changes. The toll is coming . .

Maybe that will slow some folks down a bit, and allow them think twice about buying waterlogged properties. Nonsense.

[quote author=eku_bear link=topic=575699.msg7431888#msg7431888 date=1293686204]Did you not read any of the posts in this thread? It might be possible for certain SS candidates to be a net positive for the ticket, but there is no Igboman alive or dead for which the same is true. ACN will only pick an Igbo VP if they want the PDP to win.

Like, SW is not in the bag unless the ticket has something to offer. And the ACN brand name by itself is not enough, with two non-SW guys on the ticket. What interest is a Yorubaman going to have in a Buhari/Igboman ticket, even if draped in ACN cloth?[/quote]As if Buhari/Yoruba will win anything at the national stage with GEJ contesting. 

Tell SE/SS/NC and even core North about a Yoruba on a national ticket next year and see them laugh you to scorn. 
I can see that the 24 years wait for you is killing y'all!  Calm down folks. No short cuts!

Go ask OBJ about your chance. LMFAO! hehehe! 

I don't really think that Igbo's care about ACN ticket because majority of them already back GEJ. For now, the Igbo are more interested in other things like APGA winning local and gubernatorial elections. There may even have been a quiet deal with GEJ to allow free and fair elections in Igboland in return for Igbo support.  Igbo know that no one can beat GEJ in next year's elections.

So, all these talk of Buhari/SW candidate is nonsense. It changes nothing. In fact having a SW candidate on ACN ticket will quicken the party's defeat.

Abiola lost Igboland because he said he was going to give Igbo the position of secretary to the federal government.
Arthur Nzeribe said to him, "so, the best you can do for Igboman is to have him serve you tea?" and that was where Abiola's trouble started.
Arthur then promised him that he would never rule.

The rest is history.

notcorrupt:
I will tell you why.

With the decay of infrastructure, power supply issues, security problems etc etc , only a medium to large size company can bear the financial inconveniences of operating in such an environment.

If the government puts the right things in order, of course we will start viable businesses.

Agreed, which is probably why I would advise you to stay put in UK.

But I come from a school of thought which believes that a true entrepreneur finds opportunities in the very same challenges stopping others.

Each time I look at Nigeria with all the infrastructure problems, all I see are opportunities.  

Yes, even in the present chaos, I see opportunities, especially for folks in the tech fields.

You can start a consulting company and provide services alien to the normal Nigerian business culture.
It will be TOUGH initially, but once you break through the initial huddles, you move full speed ahead.

But you must bring something different to the table (integrity for instance) , else NO NICHE.

blacksta:
Unfortunately my dear NLder you can not work or Last in Nigeria   The typical Nja worker is corrupt to core.-  The other alternative will be start your business at least you will be lord and almighty of your business without compromising your integrity.

redsun:
[b]Meanwhile with d level of your education and experience,u should be thinking of creating jobs [/b]not searching in a virgin land

Was thinking exactly the same things.  Why do Nigerians with all the experience and training not create jobs for other Nigerians and carve a niche for themselves in the process?  

Are we that afraid of entrepreneurship?  

Who will create the jobs that folks with all the degrees will return to?

Just wondering. .  

You can say first NIGERIA, second Electricity because Nigeria refused to generate electricity for 50 years!  

If there is no NEPA, or if power is not a federal thing, I would not be blaming Nigeria for it.

lagbaja20:
What is stopping Alaigbo from doing that now?

To be honest, first ELECTRICITY.

Second, NIGERIA.


A man designed a car module, complete with engineering design and model blocks. Some armed people came and carted away everything.

I know that secondary school kids can design things because I did when I was in secondary school. My school had no quality lab and workshop to support my work, so I packed it up.

I'm laughing at Ochi_Agha and his wild delusion of dragging Igbo into a Yoruba confederation.
Sometimes I wonder where my brothers leave their brains. 

If Nigeria divides, no sane southern tribe will form a nation with Yoruba. They are better on their own.

As for Become-goat and his lunacy about Igbo poverty, he should dream on.
I know that no single tribe is richer than Igbo in Nigeria (and possibly Africa).  And it has nothing to do with Nigeria's conducive environment. It has everything to do with Igbo grit and resilience.  We are like Jews. You may hate us, but that doesn't stop us. When we go on holidays, you must go too. 

As for me, I am more interested in designing a country where things work, where a secondary school child can have an opportunity to design technological things. A country that exports technology not one that simply consumes.

Without serious structural changes, Nigeria CAN NEVER be such country.

SapeleGuy:
I raised the census issue earlier, primary school registration for the north is 50% the total for the south, if population figures are to believed, this means that 30% of Northern primary school age children are not accessing education. Who is going to support these people in years to come? This is a time bomb.

True federalism has to expedited because no region should be allowed to not-so-smart person the progress of others.

In 20 years to come, they will still cite education disadvantage and insist on quota system.
Only that then the country would have long disintegrated.

[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=574674.msg7419220#msg7419220 date=1293494584]These are s.tupid questions. [/b]Who in his right mind will support the killing of innocent people of any religious background?[/quote]Your questions are also stu-pid. You come here wanting me to list all the evil fruits of quota system. 
We don't have light today because of quota system -go to NEPA (abi PHCN) and check the number of people who work there based on quota system. Go to Nigerian railway too. In fact go to any strategic federal parastatal and check.

Nigeria is a MESS today because of quota system.

In the area where we have discarded that policy, we actually made huge progress. Simplest example -Super Falcons.
If the coaches didn't adopt merit, you will find an[b] Aisha that cannot kick the ball being the captain, with a basket Zainab as the goal keeper.

[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=574674.msg7419159#msg7419159 date=1293493900]@Onlytruth, stop acting like Mr. Dummy Beaf na. I told you that I needed more information before reaching the conclusion that those laws should be abolished. I then asked you specific questions that may help me answer my question. But what did you do?  You started discussiong new issues.

Ngwanu, exactly what question did you want me to answer?  List the disadvantages/advantages of the said law to help me reach a conclusion, olodo.[/quote]Do you accept a country where merit is the criteria for jobs (because Nigeria has no previous slaves)?

Or

Do you prefer a country where Islamic extremists go to plant bombs inside churches on Christmas eve?

Take your pick.
Ewu.

[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=574674.msg7419084#msg7419084 date=1293492823]@Onlytruth, answer the question my friend!! What are the advantages and disadvantages of this law from the perspective of a progressive Nigeria?

Abi you are not capable of making your point? We Nigerians are all in the same boat, regardless of our states of origin. Please leave the failed leaders out of this, no one can defend them - they hail from every part of Nigeria.

Do you agree that in some cases, nations find it necessary to institute some sort of quota system, to correct an unfair imbalance in certain areas. Would you concede that at some point in time there was a major educational gap that needed to be bridged in certain parts of Nigeria?

Merit alone is not enough - certain actions are necessary to ensure that women and other ethnic and educational minorities are not shut out of the national cake - so to speak. Do you now believe that we are advanced and sophisticated enough that merit alone should do?  Even countries like the USA do not believe that Merit alone suffices to ensure justice and prevent discrimination. ko kwa?

Please note that I am not suggesting that our laws do not need revision.[/quote]You see my point? You are not even interested in answering my first question and yet expect me to answer yours.
Well I have already answered yours when I said that your quota system and federal character is responsible for the mess we have today -no light, no road, no hospital, no rail lines, no national airline, nothing except a bunch of thieves holed up in Abuja waiting for oil money!

You dare bring the US affirmative action into this?  Do you even understand that in the US 90% of all jobs are merit based? The affirmative action (which represents about 10%) was designed to take care of blacks who under slavery could not get education. In Nigeria, the opposite is the case -90% quota system, 10% merit!
Which is why NOTHING is working.

When was there ever a law stopping northern Nigerians from going to school?  
Throughout my education at university, all the northern candidates were on FULL scholarship, and they cited the so called education disadvantage, as if anyone ever prevented them from receiving western education.  

My friend you are something else.

I will say this again. The real test of whether Nigeria remains one will be decided by issues such as quota system.

Igbo will not stay in a country where someone who is less qualified is given a job over the more qualified fellow.

This is really the bottomline.

[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=574674.msg7418985#msg7418985 date=1293491844]@Onlytruth, stop beating about the bush! What are the advantages and disadvantages of this law from the perspective of a progressive Nigeria. Please forget ethnicity or tribe.  I'm all ears. Make your case, we may even agree kpa kpa.[/quote]Walahi, I am a fierce advocate of meritocracy. I could care less about tribe.
If your people who ruled Nigeria have designed a country that turned up to be like South Africa, do you think I or any Igbo person will ever leave Nigeria? NO.

Your people designed and still trying to influence the mess we have today for a country.

My tribe is MERIT.   

That is why I felt insulted when you kept talking about OIL.

[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=574674.msg7418921#msg7418921 date=1293491081]I believe there is value in many of our laws, our legislators should revise them to suit our needs.  I do support the revision of laws or constitutional provisions that have become outdated.  I wouldn't simply say that I would accept the abolition of any law without having studied or read studies that conclude that the law is no longer serving its purpose.[/quote]You mean a law as controversial as federal character and quota system is new to you? You've never studied its adverse impact on the nation especially as it concerns merit? Aboki why are you incapable of facing the truth?

[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=574674.msg7418839#msg7418839 date=1293490357]My bad. I underestimated your ambition(err greed). I thought you people were modestly claiming a portion of the area, but in fact you want the whole enchilada! lol onye ara, barawo. ole.  [/quote]Look at this oil thief.

You dodged my question abi?

[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=574674.msg7418783#msg7418783 date=1293489791]I am not going to debate self sustainability of a hypothetical region. Lets deal with how to make Nigeria work first.  We can start be demanding accountability from our reps, senators, and governors.[/quote]Okay, lets try!

Do you accept to abolish quota system and federal character and zoning of offices based on regions and tribes?

Answer this question first and then we proceed to the next phase.  

Katsumoto:
How much does palm oil to the Nigerian economy?

How much does cocoa or anything else add to the Nigerian economy these days?

It is all OIL OIL OIL, SHM!  

[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=574674.msg7418699#msg7418699 date=1293488956]@udezue, Even if those areas are indeed Igboland, they make up less than 10% of the land you people claim to be yours. My statement remains correct.

@Sapeleguy, there is nothing interesting about Onlytruth's point of self sustainability of other regions, if he succeeds in his[b] futile attempt [/b]at creating the said nation.  It suffices to say remind you people that, it is in the record that, it was the farmers in the North that produced the groundnuts and resources that supplemented the various budgets of the West and East up till 1970.

Onlytruth's superiors have already attempted to carve out a nation from land they did not own - they lost that war and should learn to live with it.[/quote]Aboki sef!  hehehe! lmao.

So, you come all the way from the north to Igboland to draw the boundaries abi? I'm laughing. 

I am not even attempting anything. Nigeria is like a program. The programmers who designed it know exactly the time it will "execute".
The aim for creating the country was not altruistic. Amalgamation happened at all because the standing colonial policy was that all colonies must pay for themselves. The colonialists never imagined aiding a colony. .like DUH?

So, the north never supported the south. It was the other way round. It is still that way, hence the call by SEVERAL groups to break up.  This is not Igbo thing. Has never really been. It is just that other groups are bolder today to speak the truth.

SapeleGuy:
 Will that be to stop people from leaving or getting in?

ndu_chucks - Onlytruth raises a very interesting point, how can other regions be self sustaining?

Becomerich ?- Do you remember that Eyadema, went to the Oba of Benin to beg permission to change Dahomey's name to Benin Republic. Have you followed protocol and got permission for your exodus dream?

Well, you do the math. The richer country in the long run ('cos the fence is for long term goals) will be the one with more industries and bigger economy. I don't think that oil alone can create a big economy. That is why Israel is richer than Libya BY FAR.

Isreal population: 7 million
GDP: $206 Billion

Libya population: 6.4 million
GDP: $84 Billion


Wide gap!

[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=574674.msg7418480#msg7418480 date=1293486957]I wonder why every area of the ND or the so-called south south which you claim is Igboland, is oil producing. Why is it that 90% of the land that you people claim to be Igboland is oil producing?  These people do not want to be part of you or share your identity. Leave us (them) alone!!

We have not yet forgotten how many of you claim that subtantial parts of Lagos is Igboland, small time, Sabon Gari in Kaduna and Kano will be Igboland. [/quote]So which part of Igboland am I leaving out?

Since when did aboki become part of Igbo land?

I no know say oil deprivation dey cause schizophrenia too.

SapeleGuy:
I couldn't stop laughing when I read this. You better start planning repatriation for the brethren in the coastal state of Lagos.

They are quite capable of planning their return to Igboland. Not my problem.
My problem is to plan Igboland to be self sustaining. The planning will include things like electric fence.

YES WE CAN (Igbo spirit).  

[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=574674.msg7418399#msg7418399 date=1293486166]@Onlytruth, you are not smart enough to put the wool over the eyes of bright forumites who are capable of reading right through your foolery. Igbo land ko, Congo land ni. I suppose Port Harcourt is not oil producing.  Indeed none of the Ikwerre land which you probably claim is Igboland,  is oil producing.

Oil is not a major factor in your "false" claims of other people's land as Igboland.  Your superiors have already fought the war and lost, deal with it![/quote]Kai aboki!  Why can't you think? Why why why. . .  can't you use your God given head for once?! 
So, you don't know that there is more oil in Imo state and Abia than in Ikwerre Igbo lands? 

What are you really smoking?

You talk as if I am the one and only one saying that Nigeria will not survive. Read comments on this site!

I know you cannot survive without oil ('cos you have refused to use your head), but how is that my problem?

Nna I see more GOLD in a peaceful land with common culture and worldview, than in oil!.

Kai aboki! 

PhysicsQED:
Could someone pinpoint exactly which Rivers Igbo groups are supposed to be next to the sea? That "True extent of Igboland thread" was important in showing just how many groups are Igbo, whether they admit it or not, but it was rather vague on which group it is that is at the sea. I'm asking out of curiosity.

Sea access is not really essential, anyways, just an advantage. Over the long term, groups that do not build strong, diverse economies will not be saved merely by having ports to export the little that their weak economies might produce and landlocked groups which have no sea ports will still thrive if they have the ability to build a strong economy through other means and if they can make all of their immediate neighbors look to them for resources, products, or services. This is just my hypothesis anyway.

It is a temporary advantage. In about 20 - 50 years, it could be a disadvantage as the sea levels continues its advance and swallowing up the coastal communities.

SapeleGuy:
With these statements you are once again branding Ikwerre / Rivers as 'lazy'. Do you think they will just roll over and accept it? Old boys this attitude has not paid you in the past, present  or in the distant future. A bird in hand is worth two in the bush.

And who mentioned the Ikwerre here?
Who said anything about laziness?

Why are you folks always trying to spin conflict in our lands?

Frankly I'm beginning to get upset anytime folks talk about this sea access thing. I really pity folks who live in current swamps and beating their chest because of it. One of these days the Atlantic ocean will swallow up much of those places. Then we shall see where they'll run to.

The future of a great nation transcends immediate natural resource, because today's natural resource could be tomorrow's disaster.

Human resource development and proper planning is the key. Not any natural resource.

[quote author=Ochi_Agha link=topic=574674.msg7418280#msg7418280 date=1293484825]No one is talking about oil. We are talking about access to the sea! Igboland extends into Ika, Anioma & Ukwuani in Delta State. Parts of Bayelsa, Akwa Ibom, Cross River, Benue, and Rivers state are Igbo as well.[/quote]We are NOT talking about access to the sea. We are talking about Igboland, sea access or no sea access.

[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=574674.msg7418153#msg7418153 date=1293483666]Would one be right to also conclude that most of the oil producing land in both the old Mid West and the so-called ND area is Igboland?  Please identify the remaining Igboland in present day South South region, for our education. Dalu o.[/quote]Who mentioned anything about oil producing lands? Can't you even see any land without seeing oil?
Nna Aboki idi egwu o!

Igboland in S/south is on the map. Everyone knows.

SapeleGuy:
Interesting. Some of you are taking this Christmas jollification to levels of historical amnesia if you expect Bendelites to join Biafra or Oduduwa, It's simply impossible.

Why do you people like to do attachment, can you not stand on your own?

From that South South zone, Bendel will reemerge, Izon will have their own nation & so too will the Calabari.

If we are to split, make everybody answer their papa name, otherwise let true federalism prevail.

Agreed, provided your proposed Bendel is minus Igbo land.

[quote author=Ochi_Agha link=topic=574674.msg7417995#msg7417995 date=1293482044]Igwe Ocha (Port Harcourt) is a traditionally Igbo town. If you think the wider Igbo will give that up, then there would be a war. Many Igbos have this view, that is Igbloand is landlocked that it will not be prosperous. I do not subscribe to this view, but that is what the majority of Igbo think. Enugu and Port Harcourt are seen as crucial to Igbo development.[/quote]I think it is safer to stop at the bolded. Port Harcourt is Igbo town. The British know this and is therefore defensible internationally when the saga begins.

udezue:
My brother in-law was just telling me how they lost their properties in PH and how many Igbo men / women were killed trying to reclaim their properties. These attacks and killings by useless natives of PH were sanctioned by the government. Even non-natives like Saro Wiwa got a good share of the loot. This issue if not resolved will forever cause disharmony among our people. i don't blame Igbo ppl who have disdain for anything PH or even Rivers state.

Port Harcourt is to Igbo what Kaduna is to Hausa/Fulani. Imagine northern minorities like Kataff stealing Hausa properties in Kaduna! Will that ever happen?  NO!

Frankly sometimes I wonder how my Igbo brothers think. I wonder aloud!

If I owned a property in far away Lagos, I WOULD NOT abandon it to the Yoruba. EVER.
Which is perhaps part of why I have not bought a property there, YET. Talk less of PH.

These things are very simple to understand.

I remember Ojukwu's speech in Kano after one of those Kano riots. He spoke in Igbo, Yoruba and Hausa, and his message was the same: YOU ARE NIGERIANS IN NIGERIA. NEVER ABANDON YOUR PROPERTY TO ANYONE.

If you buy a property among hostile groups, sanity demands that you should have taken steps to secure your self and family. I won't say more than that here.

PH is piece of cake in my view because it is an Igbo city historically, and Igbo already own the city and exist there in big numbers.

Nairaland is not even the place to discuss this.