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So @ @tpia, how can lineage be established FOR SURE in that type of scenario?
What if this man is a Yoruba by his father, but Hausa by his mother?
Isn't this possible?

tpia@:
but your friend knows his father's lineage, right?

I don't know o. He is a London born yuppie.
Of course he only knows his mother's children, duh? He says he doesn't know how many women out there had kids for his oldman. And his mum is not the only wife. She is the 4th.

tpia@:
onlytrurh

in what way does what you are saying invalidate what i said?

You said you could be traced by lineage and I wondered how, since sometimes you can't even say how many kids a man has, except all his baby mamas come to his compound, which rarely happens because the moment they step feet there, he adds them to the rest of his wives. My friend cannot even say how many kids his father has, and the man is very educated o.

Olodostein: He is gone nuts. Eze, take it easy on him not to give him hypertension.

My brother, I've already stepped over him. Sometimes he and I are cool. I guess just not today.

tpia@:
onlytruth abi na onlydoubt

consider yourself educated by my post since you obviously know nothing about the yoruba.

Okay tpia, let's assume for a second that I know nothing about the Yoruba.
Are you saying that there are not MANY cases similar to the Abiola family's case in Yorubaland?
If you answer in the affirmative, then I would accept that I know nothing about Yoruba people.

Olodostein: You exhibit the character of a sadist, anu mpama. You need help. Go see a psychologist.

Don't mind the dude. He lacks a simple sense of humor. I pity his type sometimes.

2mch: One thing these people don't understand is Yoruba culture. We are all traceable by family or compound names. No one can just come and say you are Yoruba.

tpia@:
not only family and compound names, but also lineage.

This I found very spurious to say the least. One of the things I know Yorubas for is their tendency to have children almost anyhow and anywhere. It is common to see a married man with 4 wives and 5 baby mamas, some of who may never set foot in the man's compound. As a matter of fact, that is why the Abiola family had to conduct paternity test on all of Abiola's children before they could be part of his estate.
The tribe that can do the bolded in Nigeria is the Igbo.

Rhino.5dm:
Fool.

Ya papa dia!
Na lie I talk?

See as every Yoruba de run from the man.
If to say na coup de man do now come become head of state, dem go claim am sharp sharp.
I just de laff.

De man na [b]dayokanu [/b]cousin.

One_Naira: I just need to ask what joy una get from this?

From brixtonye pretending to be british, to an old member that pretended to be latin american to you pretending to ghanaian. Im not even going to include those pretending to be from other ethic group. Wtf joy do una get from this.

Dude you are nigerian. Most certainly yoruba. You wanna know how I knew
1.) The landlock comment.
2.) The oil comment and ss comment.

Most of the people I hang out with are ghanaians and i've traveled to that country many times. Till date I have never meet a ghanaian that knows what is igboland, yorubaland, hausaland, ijawland, etc or where or which regions belong to whom. Ive never meet one that knows ethnic groups in nigeria excluding igbo and yoruba nor the cities or states which inhabit those tribe including igbo and yoruba. Many thinks the hausa population in nigeria is the same as there's [which is minority]. The ignorance nigeria has about ghana and its indigenous (knowing very little about the country) is the same ignorance ghanaian have about nigeria.

Dude una need to stop with the pretense. Its getting pathetic

Spot on.
And if he is a Ghanaian that lived in Nigeria, he would know that it was the Yoruba that conducted "Ghana must go" in the West.

The man is a fool. Just because of tax? I would NEVER drop my American citizenship. It is even when you are richer that you need it more.
I am spiritually committed to the US, and when we get Biafra, I will make sure that Biafra is also spiritually committed to the US.

For now, I will continue to play the role of a policy advisor and counsellor to state governors in the East; but I have a feeling that sometime in the future, I will contest for Anambra gubernatorial seat. I came to that conclusion because I've seen clearly that those leading Anambra state in all these years have little understanding how to make the state great.
I hate a situation where everybody wants to lead, and so can still drop the idea; but if I don't see any change in the quality of persons wanting to lead Anambra state, I will certainly throw my hat in the ring.
Ndi na eme ya eburo isi n'abo.

So, I'm beginning to think that "ANIDS" is an excuse for failure.

@billante

I agree with some of your proposals but I still maintain that Onitsha (present as is) is a cash cow waiting to be milked.
It is perhaps the most strategic town in Anambra, by its location. I would rather expand it southwards towards Iyiowa forest (there are lands there to accommodate another town the size of current Onitsha ) and create new (residential, commercial, recreational, institutional and industrial) layouts there, than jump to another location.
The Anam new city can still go on, but I would finish Onitsha first, giving it International airport and clout, then link up other towns with good roads and rail to Onitsha. I also often frown at the idea of abandoning already made investments to start new ones. If Onitsha cannot be revived and renewed, then, I would never believe that we have what it takes to finish the Anam new city.

I came to know what is possible in Anambra state during Ngige's term. We have enough money to focus and finish this town (Onitsha), then move to Awka, and then Nnewi. The economic viability of a town should lead other considerations in state expenditure. Towns that have potentials to raise tax revenues should receive more state funding. Economic sustainability is the key to overall sustainability.

If I were Obi, I would stop all RURAL road works for the next two years. Rural areas don't pay tax!
I would use the money to fix this road Onitsha-Enugu road, making it an 8 lane corridor with a light rail line in the middle or the side. Then, I would plant TREES and lush green lawns and flowers in the middle areas to shed the entire corridor. The entire stretch should have side walks with paved prefab concrete with a low wall separating the road from the sidewalks.
The whole idea is to give Anambra state a PHYSICAL vision of how the whole state should develop. It should be a yardstick for measuring how other roads should be developed, and inspire economic and recreational activities along the corridor and adjourning areas. Multinational companies and banks will come to locate their offices along this corridor.
I would spend as much as feasible to make this stretch of road a visual guide to Anambra's aspiration as major center of commerce and industry. And yes I would borrow if I have to!
I would also design and build a world class international airport somewhere near Onitsha, and I would fix ALL Onitsha roads because that town can fund Anambra state if well developed and inspired. The next governor can then tax Onitsha businesses to fund the rural areas.
Obi should stop wasting our money in Nmiata and Ayamelum.

Abagworo: I still wonder why despite all these killings, hostilities and insults, Igbos still go ahead to invest their hard earned money in the North and Southwest. It is better you make money there and invest them back home. That's what Northerners and Yorubas in Port Harcourt do. They invest all they get back in their towns and look poor in the eyes of the host. They don't buy up their host's land. Right now we Igbos are in a fix because we have invested our life savings in the North and SW where we are hated and envied.

That is why you should add your voice in support of a FULLY FUNCTIONAL international airport in SE. Somehow, it seems that our people can't connect the dots over this issue. The issue is arguably the most important development issue facing SE. I don't believe in using international airports in other zones because I know how Nigerians think.
Most of the time, our people buy those lands and buildings as investments (that is something with commercial value).
Our investments in the East has little commercial value because we lack international access.
A foreigner can buy property in Lagos because of that access.

The one incident that support my theory is what happened in Kano recently.
Igbo people left Kano en masse leaving houses behind. The Kano people simply refused to buy those houses, even at heavily discounted prices. They won't even take it free!
The worth of Igbo presence in any part of Nigeria is well understood by smart folks.
That is why I know for sure that this man Sam is lying through his teeth.

@Topic

They basically have no choice because they need Igbo to bring enlightenment to their corner of Nigeria.
This my theory will be proven one day when we get the SE states international airports access and seaport at Onitsha starts functioning.
When these happen, there will be economic boom in the SE. After about a decade, we can then take the survey to determine which tribe is more accommodating. As long as Lagos maintain a near monopoly to international business access, other Nigerians will keep going there (never mind the hellish conditions).

alj harem: Whatever, Lagos port was built by the british isn't it ? Was it built by Igbos CAPITAL N O, NO

Ibeto got nothing to do with Lagos. Major investors in Lagos are

1. Sir Louis Odumegwu Ojukwu (Former President of the Lagos Stock Exchange (later converted to Nigerian stock exchange)

1a. Igbo business men and women who swell Lagos state coffers with their tax contributions.

2. Private Banks (mostly by Igbo, Hausa and Yoruba)

3. Private Oil companies ( British and others)

4. Adenuga

5. Dangote

6. Ben bruce

7. Otedola

8. Dantata

9. Jimoh

10. Tinubu

That is all !!! so stop claiming ok !!!

FIXED!

In 1967, we Ndigbo were about 12 million. Today, we are about 40 million. That is enough to form a 4 million man army.
We just have to envisage it, and plan along that number and I can assure you that NOBODY will dare us in Nigeria.

In an twisted way, I sort of agree with Abagworo that Ndigbo are taking insults in Nigeria because of Nigeria.
We will not take it post-disintegration. I don't believe we should remain there though if things don't improve.
Ije ekweghi ojije, o ga ekweriri onuna!

Let this topic continue, Ndigbo, please watch from the sidelines now, except our Igbo SS brothers (yes they are there!).
All SE Igbo should step over this thread.
Nkita na ata aru adighi agbo uja!
Nuff said.

Johndoe100: I agree wholeheartedly and the common enemy are the ibos. We should forma temprary alliance with the Odudua people just to eff the ibo up.

I usually don't comment on this type of threads because it is almost stoopid to do so. I am compelled by the bolded.
Thank you for saying this, because I want my Igbo brothers to understand that we must make sure that history never repeats. I pray everyday that the leaders of my people do not behave like some of the ones commenting on this thread if ever we need to fight again. I pray that my type sits there at the strategy room.

@My Igbo brothers.

I hope you now see why I tell you (almost constantly), that we Ndigbo should never cede any land anywhere in Nigeria.
We MUST BE PREPARED TO FIGHT in the CORE NORTH, WEST AND MIDDLE BELT. There is a way to do that which I will not discuss here. We only need to thank God for our POPULATION. It will come handy should such evil days show up; but it would be totally useless if we continue to be pacific in Nigeria.
Nobody will respect us until we show that we are ready to fight.
All the insults in Nigeria will end the day we speak loud and clear that we are ready to fight against ANYBODY to create a progressive space for ourselves and our children.

Onye nwere nti ya nuru!

Beaf: It seems that APGA is rapidly imploding, which is sad.

My brother, it is GOOD that it "implodes" to give way for new leadership to emerge.
Of course the party is not leaving the political scene anytime soon. It will only improve and expand.
What is happening now are series of events that would lead to internal cleansing and restructuring of the party, making it possible for the party to win elections.
As long as the two APGA governors are in support of ousting Umeh, he is gone.

Dede1: The alleged cry for a sovereign national conference by Yoruba toward present state of Nigeria is purely crocodilian in nature. The present socio-politico-economic situation Nigeria favors the Yoruba land. The jittery knees have megacity built for them through Republic of Nigeria’s coffers.

I hope the so-called moronic minorities in the eastern region are awake and watching. [b]If you watch the political demeanor of the Yoruba peeps, the only political endeavor that gives them sweaty nightmare is serious talk of disintegration of Nigeria. [/b]I had wished the Hausa, Fulani, Kanuri, Nupe, Tiv etc would build political courage to agree to the disintegration of Nigeria.

I really want to see mutual and competitive environment or relationship exist among nation states after Nigeria.

The two bolded at spot on.
To be honest, they are the most scared (of the major tribes) about Nigeria's possible disintegration.
If you notice in the "who owns Lagos" thread, they deliberately make outrageous statements about what would happen to Igbo properties in Lagos, and the rest of it, all in lame and weak attempts to dissuade us from seeking Biafra. I had to tell them that the two are mutually exclusive.
The ultimate truth though is that when we get Biafra, Lagos will lose everything that makes it tick. FACT.
Onitsha, Aba and Porthacourt will simply dwarf Lagos within a period of 10 years.

Irrespective of whatever personal differences between key players inside APGA, I have always maintained that Victor Umeh is not an astute politician/leader.
Under him, APGA continues to struggle to win elections against unpopular parties like PDP and ACN in the East.
That alone is why HE MUST GO!

This quote summarizes it all for me:

If APGA has had the right leadership, states like Delta, Rivers, Lagos should have also been under the control of the party. But the structure that should have made these winnings possible was left untouched and unattended to despite the resources that were made available to Umeh. These are the reasons we say that the party needs restructuring and repositioning. Restructuring the party is not an issue of quarreling with any individual; it has nothing to do with Victor Umeh as a person. We want him to vacate the seat so that we can reposition and form a formidable party that has the right cohesion that can win elections.

[size=16pt]Umeh must quit now, or be removed –Nwobu-Alor[/size]

By CHINELO OBOGO
Thursday, May 10, 2012
Sun News Publishing

Sylvester Nwobu-Alor, is the uncle to Governor Peter Obi of Anambra State and also the Special Adviser on Parks and Markets. He has been leading the onslaught against the National Chairman of All Progressives Grand Alliance (APGA), Victor Umeh. In this interview, he bares his mind on the rift within the party and other issues. CHINELO OBOGO brings the excerpts.

The war of words between you and Victor Umeh has become an issue that can’t just be ignored. What is the bone of contention?

APGA is facing total extinction because of incompetence and bad management under the dictatorial leadership of Victor Umeh. He is incompetent and incapable of managing a political party.

Why is it that six years after we have taken over Anambra State and with the massive support Governor Peter Obi gave the party, we could not win 100 per cent in Anambra and Imo States, except that the governor there had to fight his way into the Government House on the platform of APGA. We could not win in Abia despite the obvious low performance of government in that state; we could not win in Ebonyi and Enugu States. These are states that ordinarily should be considered APGA states.

If APGA has had the right leadership, states like Delta, Rivers, Lagos should have also been under the control of the party. But the structure that should have made these winnings possible was left untouched and unattended to despite the resources that were made available to Umeh. These are the reasons we say that the party needs restructuring and repositioning. Restructuring the party is not an issue of quarreling with any individual; it has nothing to do with Victor Umeh as a person. We want him to vacate the seat so that we can reposition and form a formidable party that has the right cohesion that can win elections.

When did you come to realize that Umeh’s leadership is supposedly dictatorial and incompetent like you say?

When the party was formed in 2002, we had fantastic support but after a period of time the popularity of the party started dwindling. It came to a point that everybody started talking about the dwindling fortunes of APGA. In the realization of the problems of the party, people were only murmuring and nobody wanted to speak out because they were all afraid that once you oppose him, the next day, he will say you have been sacked from the party. We have an office in Abuja, but he does not go there.

Meanwhile the government of Anambra State gives him funds every month to run the party. I don’t fear anybody; I have been in politics for 32 years, which is why I laugh when people say that Peter Obi is sponsoring me. Obi was a very young man when I joined politics. I don’t need anybody to tell me what to do in politics. Peter did not, and is not telling me what to do. So the issue of getting him involved in this matter is entirely the business of Victor Umeh.
This is not the first time you have said openly that Umeh should leave.

The last time you said it, he didn’t leave and nothing happened. Do you really think that people will take you serious in the talk about Umeh leaving as national chairman?

People are already taking me seriously because everybody has joined in the campaign that he must leave. In fact some actually went to EFCC to talk about embezzlement of party funds and all that, and I told them that I am not interested in the money; I am interested in his moving out. His incompetence is glaring? He does not allow the party function as a political party should function.

The money that is released to him is not channeled down to the party. He does nothing to grow the party. These may have been done out of carelessness, but it all amounts to incompetence. He claims that he was elected, but I am saying that he is not even qualified to be national chairman now. His tenure is four years and since 2005, there has never been any convention of the party as provided by both the constitution of Nigeria and our party’s constitution. What he did was to pass a resolution last two years and gave himself another four years.

That is not how to elect yourself. There are processes in electing the national chairman or any other national officer of a party. There has to be ward, local government and state congresses where delegates will emerge for the national convention. But he never did all these and that puts a question mark on how hebecame the national chairman.

During the crisis between him and Chekwas Okorie, Umeh enjoyed the support of the governor, the late Ojukwu, and chieftains of the party like you. Why are you now saying that he is not supposed to be chairman?

It is true that the governor and everyone supported him because we believed we should have a chairman. But it came to a point where it became absolutely necessary to practice total democracy and that was the time we started telling him to dissolve the executive. At a stage the two governors wrote him, asking him to dissolve all the formations of the party and let us convene a convention. They all agreed, but along the line he pulled out and boasted that he cannot be removed.

What if he fails to vacate office?

The national executive council will hold a meeting and remove him as provided by the constitution of the party.

Do you not think that the failure of the party to conduct council elections is a major reason the party is going into extinction?
Presently, members of the party are running local government councils. What is the difference, elected or not elected? The transition leaders at the local governments are members of the party and they are doing the same function as the elected, and they are the same people who might be elected.

Umeh said that one of the reasons you are calling for his removal is because he asked the government to conduct council polls. He also said that the reason the government has refused to conduct council polls is because some persons are benefitting from the council funds. The council’s fund is very definite and clear. Whether the council is being run by dogs, beasts or human beings, the funds are the same and are also distributed accordingly. So it is not true that some persons are benefitting from the council’s funds. The people working at the councils are paid from the funds and they are getting all the benefits that the elected officers will get.

There was an advertorial where Umeh published a letter which showed your sanction for anti-party activities in 2008. Was there any time you were sanctioned or expelled from the party?

Never! The governor told me about it then, but he didn’t show me the letter. But the governor said that until I have done something that warrants my removal, but so far, I was doing very good. This office was not getting a kobo before we came in, but today this office generates up to N28 million to N30 million every month.

Why would the governor or anybody think of removing somebody that generates such amount of money? I am very beneficial to the government and the party. I have been funding a lot of party meetings and so on. It does not make sense to me why he should publish that letter? As chairman of a political party, why should he interfere in the activities of a State government and for him to publish this, he has incurred the wrath of the people of Anambra State because people didn’t know about this letter and I never told anybody about it.

He has called for your arrest, over the killing of some persons by a government task force in Nnewi, what’s your reaction?
We had difficulties in recovering money from parks, and we decided to constitute a task force whose responsibility will be to take over the parks and we appointed agents to collect money and pay to the government. I don’t collect money, but I devised a means where the operators of the parks collect money and pay same to government account and bring the electronic receipt to me, and I issue a letter of appointment that is renewable every month. This method has been very effective.

The incidence that happened took place in Nnewi. Somebody operating a park was not paying, and I asked the task force to go and takeover the park which they did. After some days, the park operator came to my office and said I should give him some time. I said no there is no negotiation and I insisted he must pay before I ask the task force to leave. When he paid, the following morning I asked the task force to leave the place.

As they were preparing to leave, some armed boys came and started shooting them, in the process one man was killed on the spot, and later they said another man died also, and a lot of them had bullet wounds and they are still in the hospital as I speak. And the people killed are my workers, members of the task force. For Victor Umeh or anybody to say that I should be prosecuted as they killed my workers and the people who killed my workers should go free, is madness. It does not make sense. It is just like asking Mr. President to arrest the Inspector General because his police men were shot at Onitsha.

Why do you think this acrimony and bitterness now is coming up now? Is he no longer close to the government as before?

I don’t want to say certain things. But I want to tell you that this man has amassed wealth and that is what is responsible for his arrogance. He feels he can put everybody in the pocket and nobody should criticize him. The grudge he has against me is that I said he is not doing well, and our party is failing; let us rescue it, and I ask him to please do me a favour and vacate office, we are not sacking him, but he has to vacate office as the national chairman of the party.

Umu Igbo, please get in touch.
We need to identify good leaders in the East in order to support them (if they are already in positions of leadership) or secure and sustain them politically if there are aspirants.
We also need to talk down the thieves warming up to lead us.
2014/15 is almost around the corner. Before you know it, elections would be here. We need to ensure that only good leaders are the ones winning elections in the East.

Get in touch. Get involved!

“Somebody was telling me that he went to greet the Sultan of Sokoto, w[b]hen he came out the areas boys came and knocked on his car and were asking for money. If you refuse to give them, they will scratch your car. Another friend was telling me that his wife and driver were in his Prado jeep in Kano. Some boys came and broke the windscreen and
said, ‘you bastards, you are enjoying the comfort of an airconditioned car and we are suffering!’[/b] So, the bottom line is poverty. We have to work on it.”

Hmm, it looks like the North is gradually getting to a point of revolution.
Where are my almajiri brothers in the North? I wish you God's speed!
It is time to topple the thieves who have been stealing you blind and ruining your future.
The time is now!

The so called report is an indirect media attack insult on America.
How can anyone want to compare shoppers from a country with a GDP of $45,000, with shoppers from another whose GDP is merely $2,500?
There is no basis whatsoever for comparison in terms of spending power.
The writer needs to visit Los Angeles on a typical Saturday to see the same Nigerians outshopping everybody there as well.
As an American, I personally would NEVER go to shop in the UK (where prices are ludicrous, and I still have to buy a ticket to go there ) because EVERYTHING I need is here in the US.

The more pertinent question should be why Nigeria is not collecting data on foreign shoppers in Nigeria.

Emeela, ezigbo nwa anyi ji eme onu n'ebe a, PointB.

Umu Igbo, anyi na acho ka anyi bido iderita emailu maka ihe gbasara umuigbo ndi no n'ebe di iche iche na uwa nile.
Biko jisienu ike zitere anyi emailu gi, ka anyi jiri ya mee mailinglist anyi.

We need to have an avenue by which we communicate our wants and needs to our governors in Nigeria. If they don't know what we want or need, how can they deliver them?
Democracy is about popular participation. Without it, failure is certain.
We also need to examine aspiring politicians in Eastern Nigeria, to debate among ourselves about the level of support to each aspiring leader in the East. Right now, there are certain undesirable elements warming up to lead us in 2014 and beyond. We need to organize ourselves and send a strong message that such elements should be shunned.
Like I said before, if you don't say what you want, you will get ANYTHING.

Get involved today because it will soon be election season again next year.

In terms of loan repayments, the worst that can happen to lagos state is that the FG deducts the repayments at source (go ask Imo and Abia).
So this project would have proceeded even if the state government rejected it, because it is still on a federal corridor.
The FG should even be commended for laying low and playing dead (a rare maturity in Nigerian politics, bearing in mind that the state is under an opposition party), which makes it possible for Fashola to take much of the glory.

This is a no brainer: it is an indirect FEDERAL project. Reason? It is funded by a World Bank Loan guarranteed by the Federal government. In other words, the final FINANCIAL BURDEN will fall on the FG because Nigerian states are notorious for reneging on loan repayments. If the FG did not back the loan, this project won't move an inch.
Fashola should still be commended for basically inspiring more action on the project. No more, no less.