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Righteousness89:
Good luck!! U can decide not to pay but the good is that u know about tithes! When you cross over.... We hope it doesn't stand against us!

GOD BLESS YOU

Another weak and stale response!

Acehart:
This is a rude response. I'm shocked.

What do you expect?

Righteousness89:
bro u have Not Understood your Bible.....

Before u Read your Bible..... Ask The LORD to give u Understanding of His Word...

I didn't just decide to Put this out..... it came about from some Divine empowerment!

I doubt argue on what I didn't Invent! If u wanna argue , Go argue with GOD

Bro i have heard those stale stories about those being inspired by God...
That won't hold water....even a fake pastor can say He was inspired by God!
You omitted a very important part of your "tithing" submissions and when i called your attention to it,you evaded the question using the infamous "inspired by God" gimmick!
I can't argue with God because he put up the scripture that you should eat your tithe
Or Am i the one that wrote Deuteronomy 14?

Righteousness89:
Good!
If you Earn Food items... Give Tithes of the Food Items...

Bro you haven't answered the question

Righteousness89:
Let Me ask u sir! Where was Tithe First Mentioned in the Bible?

Who was the First Tither in the Bible?

On Whose Covenant do we as Believers live on Today?

Bro you haven't answered my question and yet you want me to answer your question?
To your question.....Abram gave a tithe of the plunder after coming back from a war where he rescued his cousin lot...
Now burnt offerings and circumcision were also mentioned first...and not only that,these rites were instructed and commanded by God to abram!
Since that is the case,can we also say that burnt offerings and circumcision should also be observed?

Righteousness89:
I didn't Omit! You decided the way u wanna interpret the Bible! It's your Choice Bro...
We all will give Account of our lives when we Cross over...
PEACE

This is not my interpretation....That is the law of moses as contained in the same scriptures that you said you had a personal encounter with!
Don't tell people half truths....

Also show them this scripture.....
Or are you unaware of it?

Deuteronomy 14:22-29

22 Be sure to set aside a tenth of all that your fields produce EACH YEAR!
23 Eat the tithe of your grain, new wine and olive oil, and the firstborn of your herds and flocks in the presence of the Lord your God at the place he will choose as a dwelling for his Name, so that you may learn to revere the Lord your God always.

24 But if that place is too distant and you have been blessed by the Lord your God and cannot carry your tithe (because the place where the Lord will choose to put his Name is so far away),

25 then exchange your tithe for money, and take the money with you and go to the place the Lord your God will choose.

26 Use the money to buy whatever you like: cattle, sheep, wine or other fermented drink, or anything you wish. Then you and your household shall eat there in the presence of the Lord your God and rejoice.

27 And do not neglect the Levites living in your towns, for they have no allotment or inheritance of their own.

28 At the end of every three years, bring all the tithes of that year’s produce and store it in your towns,

29 so that the Levites (who have no allotment or inheritance of their own) and the foreigners, the fatherless and the widows who live in your towns may come and eat and be satisfied, and so that the Lord your God may bless you in all the work of your hands.


The last verse debunks the notion carried by tithers that the tithe should not be given to the needy

Lastly,there are errors written all over your scriptures in your submissions....The early believers in ACTS did not TITHE!

Righteousness89:
If you are paid Yearly then pay your Tithe yearly! Or if you paid in food items , pay your tithes in food items

Don't DECIEVE yourself GOD cannot be Mocked! Whatsoever a Man Soweth, that shall he reap!

The LAW which you practise has no basis for IFs...You want to abide by the laws of Moses,do so totally!
Bro the same tithe you are erroneously preaching is telling you to EAT your tithe every year!
So if i may ask....
Do you EAT your tithe?
Do you give to the levites?
Did that scripture ask you to give to a pastor?
My issue is why did you omit that very important part in your initial submission?

MrPRevailer:
If you read that Chapter well, it said you shall bring it to the house of the LORD. And eat it there. If it is too heavy to carry it, you MUST change it to silver (portable) and BRING IT where the LORD shall choose (alter or temple) and the levites, and the less priviledged shall eat with you and your household.

Righteousness89 nice post.

i guess u didn't see the part where it said you should EAT YOUR TITHE EVERY YEAR(not monthly)
Its a PLACE THE LORD HAS CHOSEN and not THE "HOUSE OF GOD"
Seems you also didn't read it well!

Yet another misconstrued encounter.....
If your personal encounter can tactfully avoid Deuteronomy 14:22-29 and Deuteronomy 26,then you are trying to be picky with scriptures which makes it hard to believe in your sincerity!

ImaIma1:
It was also expected that Man City would beat Crystal Palace who are at the bottom of the table but they didn't.

Manchester city underestimated crystal palace hence they lost at etihad!

APC will go to the SE telling them to vote for PMB so that a SE person will become a PRESIDENT in 2023...and at the same time,they will go to SW with the same promise of giving them the PRESIDENCY in 2023 if they vote for PMB!
See how APC is making a mockery of both their SW and SE members....

It was expected that manutd will win cardiff nah!
But at least its a start for olegaar!

MuttleyLaff:
What kind of understanding and reasoning is this?

Laws are not garbaged alBAGHDADI.
They are made redundant, made inoperative, made useless, made ineffective,
made obsolete by the presence of another law that is superior, better and more powerful.



Openmine, you see what we are dealing with here?

He wants to throw up loads of unbelievable rubbish
and expect you to roll over and not tackle, line by line, section by section
and blow for blow, each of the fabricated lies and invented truths he is strung together.

He wants to get away with murder without getting challenged on each and all fronts
He is complaining. Can you believe that

I do....My only worry and fear is that these same brothers will go out and feed unsuspecting believers with these poor and uncoordinated doctrines!
Its really pathetic!

EbukaHades10:
Shagari

The haters have once again been disappointed AGAIN!

korm2me:
why?

Its 5 minutes

OkCornel:
alBHAGDADI is trying to validate the law and justify tithing, whereas Galatians 3 v 10 clearly states this;

For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law."

He is a bit confused about the different dispensations,hence he tries to combine both the old and new covenant!
My issues with him is the usage of simple terms that should never have been a hindrance!
I think he is also shocked to find out that the law has ended from the scriptures he saw!
He even though i was the one who wrote that the law has ended as if i was the one who wrote the bible
Even Paul made an explicit statement in Romans 10:4 about the LAW!


4 You see, God’s purpose for the law reaches its climax when the Anointed One arrives; now all who trust in Him can have their lives made right with God.

4 Christ ended the law so that everyone who believes in him is made right with God.

4 They don’t understand that Christ gives to those who trust in him everything they are trying to get by KEEPING THE LAWS. GOD ENDS all of that.

alBHAGDADI:
So we should garbage the law?

Chai see another hilarious response!

Comon bro Not WE but GOD said so in the scriptures...haba

With all due respect to you bro but Are you okay?
Do you lack understanding of simple terms?
You read what the scriptures said and you still keep acting like the terms are strange to you?
If garbage is the term that you can understand about the end of the law,then so be it!
That's what is there....that's the truth!
Enough of this obvious benightedness!

alBHAGDADI:
I often laugh when people quote Hebrew and Greek words to try to act inteligent even when we know they've never crossed into the old world.

Bro you are not sound at all!
If i may ask...do you know which language the bible was written in before it was made in the English version?
The reason why you speak in such ignorant manner is that you don't even know the history of the belief you even profess and where it started from!
Your ignorance is way too obvious to even want to learn!

alBHAGDADI:
If the law says love God, will you be loving him by witholding the tithe which he says belongs to him in Leviticus 27:30? Since when did God say his belongings are no longer his belongings? We've been asking you all to shows us where tithe got specifically stopped by God, you couldn't find. All you say is that the law has ended/changed, that's why tithing should end with it. Shouldn't the law against homosexuality end with also? You may say a man who loves God won't practice homosexuality, but isn't that him obeying the law which you say has ended? Or can't he also say since the law has been replaced with the law of love, then I have right to love a man as a woman? As long as you hold a man down with the law against homosexuality, then why can't you hold the same man down. with the law against not tithing?

I think i now understand your confusion!
You are having issues with different dispensations and covenants hence you muddle them up and get even more confused!
I would have gone into details about the different dispensations just to enlighten you,however i doubt your over-bloated ego will let you understand!
But just to enlighten those who may stumble into this in future,
The LAW of Moses contains the law of tithe where you extracted from the scripture Leviticus 27:30,

Now God(not Me) SAW the IMPERFECTIONS( irregularity, abnormality, distortion, deformity, malformation) OF THE ENTIRE LAW AND DECIDED to CHANGE IT along with THE LEVITICAL PRIESTHOOD AND THE MOSAIC COVENANT!
(Hebrews 7:11-28)
TITHING,JUST LIKE THE 614 LAWS,WAS PART AND PARCEL OF THIS LAW OF MOSES!

So if GOD,according to scriptures,said the ENTIRE/WHOLE LAWS of MOSES,which includes TITHE ,is OBSOLETE,WEAK and USELESS and MUST be put to an END for a BETTER LAW to ARISE(AND ALREADY HERE),
why do you keep insisting or even challenging the scriptures that God never ENDED the LAW OF MOSES?

Food for thought!

As it pertains homosexuality,

Romans 1:26-28(NIV)

26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done.

(THE MESSAGE) VERSION
Worse followed. Refusing to know God, they soon didn’t know how to be human either—women didn’t know how to be women, men didn’t know how to be men. Sexually confused, they abused and defiled one another, women with women, men with men—all lust, no love. And then they paid for it, oh, how they paid for it—emptied of God and love, godless and loveless wretches.
28-32 Since they didn’t bother to acknowledge God, God quit bothering them and let them run loose.

alBHAGDADI:
please next time, stop partitioning my comment. It makes replying difficult especially when you write long words. I've typed enough already.

Sorry bro but i need to respond differently to so many uncoordinated and disjointed points poorly strapped in a one sentence by you!
This is done So that you don't claim you never said such in the future!
Secondly,am taking my time to explain so that you don't misquote or misunderstand what i say since you are having issues comprehending simple english terms!

The insult PMB is getting is so little compared to what GeJ got!

Hmmmm.....
Who is still granting interviews to these hostile group that have been in support of the carnage that has befallen Benue and Jos?
For the fact that they don't want Atiku shows that he may be a stumbling block to the mayhem the miyetti allah have caused so far...

It also proves that they prefer an administration that gives them a leeway to perpetuate violence without any interference!

alBHAGDADI:
Stop dancing about with this your "the law has ended" talk. You asked for verses that show that God retained some parts of the law and discarded some, but here is what you are coming up with?

Once again...ever learning but never understanding!
Your problem sincerely speaking is that you lack understanding about word usage!
When something is CHANGED,it implies that it has been REPLACED or EXCHANGED for some thing BETTER AND MORE SOPHISTICATED!
Can you use a nokia 3310 green screen phone to browse?
When something is replaced,it becomes old and inferior,hence its usefulness is zero!
Its END has come simply because it seizes to be of any use to anyone!

Now let me show you a simple scripture and highlight the key words just incase you have issues with your sight

Hebrews 7:18-19
18 The LAW OF MOSES is now ENDED because it was weak and worthless. 19 The LAW OF MOSES could not make anything perfect. But now a BETTER HOPE has been given to US. And with that HOPE we can come near to God.

Hebrews 7:12
12 And when a different kind of priest comes, then THE LAW OF MOSES MUST be CHANGED too.

These scriptures once again can be found in the bible....

If after seeing these simple and easy to read verses and you still can't comprehend,It either means you lack understanding of simple English terms or you have a problem with your sight!
Oga please stop disgracing yourself with simple English terms that are so easy to understand

alBHAGDADI:
You say the law ended but I showed you it changed, and the parts God wanted changed got changed. Before it was an eye for an eye, now it is turn the other cheek.

Bro you are seriously having issues with two simple words CHANGE AND END?
That's too humiliating nah
Do you want me to teach you about the relationship between CHANGE and END?
When you CHANGE/REPLACE an old rusty wood for a new one,that old rusty wood has lost its USEFULNESS,hence its time has come to an END!
Am trying to be as simplified as possible,but deep inside am really disappointed!
If you cant comprehend simple terms,what will you be preaching to people?

alBHAGDADI:
You keep saying the law of Christ without actually pointing to what that law is. Perhaps you don't even know where it is written in the Bible. The only two instances were the phrase the law of Christ is mentioned are seen below.

Galatians 6:2
Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

1 Corinthians 9:21
To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.

So what is the law of Christ? It is the command Christ gave to his followers which is that they should love one another.

John 15:12
This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.


Jesus also emphasized on the law of love by showing that it also exists in the law of Moses. As a matter of fact, he stated love as the greatest and second most greatest commandment in the law.

Mathew 22:36-40

36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38 This is the first and great commandment.

39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.


Now tell me how the verses in the law as seen below doesn't correlate with Jesus commandment of love.

Deuteronomy 6:5
And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

Leviticus 19:18
Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

Ohh finally,at least we are going some where
Atleast you tried to read a scripture i put up out of curiosity!

Now let me explain one more time with scriptures....
Romans 13:8-10
8 Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law.
9 The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,” and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

Galatians 5:14
14 For the ENTIRE LAW is FULFILLED in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 15 If you bite and devour each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.

Galatians 6:2
2 Carry each other’s burdens, and in this way you will accomplish the law of Christ.

Galatians 5:18
18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not UNDER THE LAW.

The scriptures i have given you shows that CHRIST LAW IS LOVE!
Christ Law was the fulfillment of the law!
The entire law gave way to the law of Christ!

It was the LAW OF CHRIST that Paul was talking about in this scripture....

Galatians 3:23-25
23 Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody UNDER THE LAW, locked up until the faith that WAS TO COME would be revealed. 24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. 25 Now that THIS FAITH HAS COME, WE ARE NO LONGER UNDER THE LAW!

Whether there are similarities between the law of Christ and some laws is inconsequential!
The important thing to know is that LOVE IS the REASON THE LAW of MOSES WAS CHANGED AND THEREBY PUT TO AN END!

alBHAGDADI:
Remember Jesus said he didn't come to abolish the law but to fulfill it. So stop talking as if the law ended when it is clear that Christ came to enlighten us that everything hinges on loving God and our neighbor.

First of all,Its really wrong to drag out scriptures without having corresponding scriptures to accompany it!
No scripture is of private interpretation(2 Peter 1:20-21)
Hence, properly understanding the reason behind Matthew 5:17 will give you a better perspective using other corresponding scriptures!

Before i attempt to explain Matthew 5:17,
Let me make you understand something....You said i should stop saying "the law has ended" as if i was the one who put that scripture there...
i was never the one who wrote in the scripture that the law of Moses was changed and ended....The scriptures which you saw in Hebrews 7:18-19 is enough validation!
If you can't deal with the truth contained there then that's not my concern or problem!

Now Let me explain Matthew 5:17 using corresponding scriptures to draw a connection!
Christ said "i have not come to abolish but to FULFILL the LAW OF MOSES!"

First,what is the Greek meaning of the word FULFILL?

The Old Testament. The concept of fulfillment is expressed chiefly by the Hebrew words mala [ael'm], "fulfill, accomplish, terminate, " and kala [a'l'K], "be finished, completed."

The first of these terms is often used of God bringing to fruition something that he has promised, and is thus important in the context of prophetic utterances.


However for the New Testament. The Greek vocabulary for fulfillment consists of the terms pleroo [plhrovw], "to fill, " which reflects the sense of the Hebrew mala [ael'm], and teleo [televw], "TO COMPLETE/ACCOMPLISH A PURPOSE, BRING TO AN END, " along with their cognate forms.

Now these explanations will make no sense if i don't offer scriptures to show the connection with the word FULFILL!

Galatians 5:14
14 For THE ENTIRE LAW IS "FULFILLED" in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.


Romans 13:8-10
8 Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for WHOEVER LOVES HAS FULFILLED THE LAW OF MOSES.

9 The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,” and WHATEVER ANY OTHER LAWS SAYS, ARE summed up in this ONE COMMAND: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”

10 Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore LOVE IS THE FULFILLMENT OF THE LAW.

The purpose of the law was to direct us to Christ...hence the law has accomplished its purpose.

OkCornel:
Just take a look at the 613 instructions Matthew 23 v 23 is supporting!

Awon pro-tithers

bro please ohh do you want to kill them?

He must not cut his hair — Num. 6:5
219. He must not drink wine, wine mixtures, or wine vinegar — Num. 6:3
220. He must not eat fresh grapes — Num. 6:3
221. He must not eat raisins — Num. 6:3
222. He must not eat grape seeds — Num. 6:4

alBHAGDADI:
Below is God retaining the law of Moses against Homosexuality.


Leviticus 18:22
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Romans 1:26-27
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet

Does the above new testament passage suggest that God has changed his law on homosexuality, an act which made him destroy a whole city? Since you say the law has ended, then why is God still not cool with their actions?

Deuteronomy 25:4
Thou shalt not muzzle the ox when he treadeth out the corn.

1 Timothy 5:18
For the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward.

The above verse shows that an old testament law is still being upheld in the new testament.

Exodus 20:3-5

3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

Below is Jesus upholding the above old testament law.

Luke 4:8
And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

Below are God discarding some of the laws of the old testament.

Deuteronomy 14:3
Thou shalt not eat any abominable thing

Deuteronomy 14:8
And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it isunclean unto you: ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcase.

Acts 10:14-15
14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common

Romans 14:1-3
1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

! Timothy 1:8-10

8 We know that the law is good if someone uses it right. 9 We also know that the law is not made for those who do what is right. It is made for those who are against the law and refuse to follow it. The law is for sinners who are against God and all that is pleasing to him. It is for those who have no interest in spiritual things and for those who kill their fathers or mothers or anyone else. 10 It is for those who commit sexual sins, homosexuals, those who sell slaves, those who tell lies, those who don’t tell the truth under oath, and those who are against the true teaching of God.


8 We know that the law is good if one uses it properly. 9 We also know that the law is made NOT for the RIGHTEOUS but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine

Before you knew Christ,you were shown your sins using the mosaic law!
You knew your very SINS through the THE LAWS OF MOSES....
However,the LAW was only meant to keep you in check as a schoolmaster until the LAW OF CHRIST will be revealed! Galatians 3
The LAW did reveal your transgressions but could not completely put you RIGHT WITH GOD due to its IMPERFECTIONS AND WORTHLESSNESS....

The priest and levite who could not save the man that was almost dead in the the GOOD SAMARITAN PARABLE was because the law of Moses stopped them from doing so!

Hence the LAW was imperfect and was replaced by a better law of Christ! Galatians 6:2

alBHAGDADI:
We showed that tithing predates the law, you argued about that.

Tithing never predated any law!
The scriptures and regulations used used to tithe are founded in the laws of moses!
When Abram gave a tenth of the plunder to Melchizedek after rescuing his cousin lot,he was UNDER NOT INSTRUCTION OR COMMANDMENT TO DO SO BY GOD!
There were so many instructions,regulations and ordinances that predated the law....instructions like burnt offering and circumcision
So are you saying we should also do burnt offerings and circumcision since it came before the law was given?

alBHAGDADI:
We showed you that tithing law was even upheld by Jesus, you still argued.

The law was not challenged by Christ because he was still "under the law of moses"
Remember that he never stopped the people from stoning the adulterous woman,he only asked if any has been without sin should cast the first stone on her!
Jesus knew the imperfections of the law but never stopped it!

alBHAGDADI:
We also showed you that God's word which he never changed still holds, you still argued.

You showed nothing but you own concocted assertions and a poorly written article from one who doesn't understand covenants and dispensations that you weren't even able to comprehend!

alBHAGDADI:
Lastly, we showed you that he changed some, you still argued. Now you are saying we are under the law. No we are under God's word until he changes it.

Sorry bro...am yet to see that scripture...please do well to provide it or forever keep quiet!

You didn't provide any straight forward verse. You were just piling passages upon passages. I said show me where God changed those laws, not you quoting tonnes of scriptures that don't answer the question.[/quote]Seriously?
You didn't see a clear scripture of the law being annulled in Hebrews 7:18?
I did show you but like an unintelligent blok filled with pride,you didn't see or didn't even understand!
You don't even know what it means to be annulled!

alBHAGDADI:
Where did I agree that the law has ended?

You did...check your previous post between us!

alBHAGDADI:
Change and end are tow different words. When you die, your life ends. But when you accept Jesus, you life changes but you are still alive and not dead. Is that illustration enough?

I can't believe am doing this....
CHANGE is to REPLACE with or EXCHANGE for another!
The old covenant was written as being imperfect...hence since there was a CHANGE OF PRIESTHOOD,there was a CHANGE OF COVENANT which also necessitated a CHANGE OF THE LAW!
The LAW of Moses was replaced WITH the LAW OF CHRIST(Galatians 6:2)
The LEVITICAL PRIESTHOOD was REPLACED by the PRIESTHOOD OF CHRIST
The Old/Mosaic COVENANT was REPLACED BY A NEW/BETTER COVENANT!

END: to bring to a conclusion
a final part of something,conclusion,termination!
The LAW OF MOSES was TERMINATED because IT WAS IMPERFECT,WORTHLESS,USELESS and alienated God's people from him!
All i have said above does come with scripture proof and corresponding scriptures....I didn't say so...The scriptures Explicitly did!

When a LAW IS SAID TO BE USELESS AND WORTHLESS.....and PUT to an END,does it REMAIN?

alBHAGDADI:
Your shoe anology doesn't correlate with our argument. As long as I didn't throw away the old shoes, then I can only say I've added to my shoe collection. I will simply repair the old shoes and they become good again. That's what Jesus did in Mathew 23:23. He didn't throw away the old shoes, rather he showed what should have been added to them to make them look good.

Bro i guess you didn't get the analogy properly
I said "worn out" and "obsolete"! i believe you understand the meaning of those terms?
When a shoe is obsolete and worn out,its beyond repair nah
Do you still use the shoes you bought in the early 90s now?
Do you still wear the shirts or trousers that was bought 20 years ago?
This is now comical!
Its like God saying "leave that shoe that is worthless,useless and "worn out"...come and wear this NEW ONE that i just bought for you...!"
Will you still wear those same old shoes again?

These same LAWS you said that was modified were still MOSAIC LAWS and like i said Jesus was a Jew and still under that same LAW hence he could not bring The Law to its end until the time was right!

Julivas:
No we are under the new covenant which is Christ Jesus, and Jesus said in Matthew 5 : 17 that ....... “Think not that I am come to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.

Tithe or no tithe, in the epistles of Apostle Paul, we are admonished to give generously, not by force but willingly, even more than one tenth of what we have.

Please if i may correct an impression about the word "Fulfill"
Most believers loosely take that word out of context thinking it means Christ retained the law of Moses!

FULFILL

teleioo -- to bring to an end, to complete, perfect
... Word Origin from teleios Definition to bring to an end, to complete, perfect
Word Usage accomplish (2), accomplished (1), finish (1), fulfill (1), full ...
//strongsnumbers.com/greek2/5048.htm - 9k

greyham:
And the people to make up the police force will come from another planet?

Na cultists go kuku take over the state police. No dey sleep on top bike

Bro there are good men in nigeria!
If you have given up on nigeria,too bad!

alBHAGDADI:
This long epistle is as useless as the word it is. You have been saYing the law has been changed and also saying it has ended. Which one are you saying exactly? If it has been changed, does that mean it has ended? If has been changed, what has the law against having sex with your sister changed into? You don't know. If it has ended, does that mean you can now go and have sex with your sister?

One issue i have with you and the other bro is that you both don't seem to have a discerning mind!
If you can be honest with yourself and eat that stuff you call ego,you will realise that i inputted in my submissions with various unambiguous scriptures which i expected you to debunk or counter!
You yourself agreed that THE LAW had ENDED in your previous post, so why are you moving back and forth as if you can't comprehend your own response?
Is it that you can't comprehend the meaning of CHANGE and END?
If you had a pair of shoes which was obsolete and worn out and decided to replace it with a new one,what do you think that you have done?
With all due respect to you bro,i don't think you are perspicacious!

alBHAGDADI:
Your last Bible passages is also wrongly understood. According to your understanding, do you know you are placing yourself under curse for not committing murder or sleeping with your mother which are things the law warns against?

Seriously you are really poor in comprehending!
You said you want to continue tithing which is part of the law of Moses
and James is telling you that you are GUILTY of ALL the other LAWS IF you keep TITHING!
What is so hard and cumbersome for you in those simple and straightforward scriptures?
Now as it regards "sleeping with mother/sister" or "committing murder",i provided straightforward scriptures for such and detailed explanations in my last response to you...Unfortunately,you naively ignored them simply because you lack a discerning spirit!

alBHAGDADI:
I told you already that those things which God spoke in the law which he wants discarded, he mentioned them in the new testament. However, the ones he never ended still holds. Otherwise, it is not a sin if a man worships another God, because according to you, since the law ended, we should no longer obey God's word that says we should worship him alone.

Bro no pun intended but you are so uncoordinated in your assertions....
You are to show,using scriptures,where God retained SOME LAWS OF MOSES while discarding others!
That's a preposterous assertion that has no scripture inclination!
All i see from scriptures is God saying explicitly that his son Christ who is the new high priest of a better covenant MUST ALSO HAVE A NEW LAW!
There is no scripture where God separated LAWS FROM EACH OTHER AND MADE US OBEY SOME AND LEAVE THE REST!
Your uncoordinated and poorly written submissions are based on your opinions and not the bible!
If you had such scriptures,you would have presented them here long ago!

drshrewd:
its a pity that Wike has brought cultism back in Rivers state after Amaechi killed the menace during his time as governor.
Please FG send more SARS men to Rivers we are highly unsecured over here before wike and his boys kills everybody here

why stay outside the state to make assertions that are incorrect!
I grew up and did most of my schooling at phcity and i can tell you for free that Cultism has been there all throughout different governors who had tried in vain to curb the menace!
The solution is STATE POLICING!
This will ensure a unique policing for a particular state like rivers state that is also INDEPENDENT of the state government!
People need solutions and not partisan politics or blame games!

alBHAGDADI:
Do you lack comprehension skills?

Leviticus 27:30 says The tithe is the Lord's. It doesn't say it is the Levite's.

Even the Numbers 18:21 which you quoted shows that it is God who gives the tithes to Levites after people have PAID him. He gives it to them after he has been paid. He gives it to them for their services in his temple.

The law based tithe is given to the levites as an inheritance!
Of course the earth is the lord's
every Good and wonderful gift comes from above!
You speak as if God came down from heaven to eat the tithe!

alBHAGDADI:
This your quotation of scripture doesn't seem like it's addressing any of my points.

What am saying is....
contrary to your insinuations,
Its actually the levites who bring their own tenth to the temple not the people of israel!

alBHAGDADI:
Since you are the temple of God, when next you want to offer something to God, just swallow it because you believe God lives in you.

That is exactly what the scripture says.....get a contrary scripture to that or just be silent and stop the ignorance!
Stop making a mockery of yourself!

alBHAGDADI:
Individual Christians are the temple of God, our collection is what makes us the church which is the house of God. God living in each of us doesn't make us the Church. When you are all alone, you cannot claim to be the church. It is when we congregate that we become the church and the below verse says such congregation is the house of God.

1 Timothy 3:15
But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

It seems you are trying to confuse the meaning of a church with that of a temple that is based on the old covenant!
When two or three come together in fellowship,he is there in our midst!
You are erroneously trying to equate the temple of God to the church!
The old covenant instituted temple was God's dwelling place....even the people of Israel never came near the temple!
Church is the body of Christ and also belongs to God...but God's dwelling place is in individuals not a building made of brick and stones!

alBHAGDADI:
Man, nobody is depending on the law to make them right. What we are saying is that not everything about the law has been thrown away. You just quoted lots of scriptures to try to prove that the law has ended and done with, but you don't understand what does verses are actually saying.

Hmmm...so you agree that the law of Moses actually ended! That's a new one!
Bro the scriptures were not specific as to WHICH LAW was abolished or which one should be spared!
The Mosaic laws which includes the regulations and ordinances was abolished due to its uselessness and worthlessness according to scriptures not me!
Not one law was spared!
The New High priest Christ cannot preside over a new covenant with some fragments of the old laws....
Where there is a CHANGE OF PRIESTHOOD,there must be a necessity for the CHANGE OF THE LAW!
Not some laws but ALL OF THEM!
However,you can provide me scriptures to prove that some laws were spared and i will be here to learn!

alBHAGDADI:
Since you believe the law has ended and done away with, why not go ahead and sleep with your sister, your mother, your father's wife which are all what the law warns against because such acts are an abomination before God?

Leviticus 18:6-14
 None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover their unclothedness: I am the Lord.

7 The unclothedness of thy father, or the unclothedness of thy mother, shalt thou not uncover: she is thy mother; thou shalt not uncover her unclothedness.

8 The unclothedness of thy father's wife shalt thou not uncover: it is thy father's unclothedness.

9 The unclothedness of thy sister, the daughter of thy father, or daughter of thy mother, whether she be born at home, or born abroad, even their unclothedness thou shalt not uncover.

10 The unclothedness of thy son's daughter, or of thy daughter's daughter, even their unclothedness thou shalt not uncover: for theirs is thine own unclothedness.

11 The unclothedness of thy father's wife's daughter, begotten of thy father, she is thy sister, thou shalt not uncover her unclothedness.

12 Thou shalt not uncover the unclothedness of thy father's sister: she is thy father's near kinswoman.

13 Thou shalt not uncover the unclothedness of thy mother's sister: for she is thy mother's near kinswoman.

14 Thou shalt not uncover the unclothedness of thy father's brother, thou shalt not approach to his wife: she is thine aunt

Cool!
This erroneous inclination is what i have been waiting for!
What was indeed the purpose of the law?
i will let scriptures speak for that....

Galatians 3:19
19 Why, then, was the law given at all? It was added because of our sins until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was given through angels and entrusted to a mediator. 20 A mediator, however, implies more than one party; but God is one.


1 timothy 1:8
8 We know that the law is good if one uses it properly.
9 We also know that the law is made NOT for the RIGHTEOUS but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers,
10 for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine
11 that conforms to the gospel concerning the glory of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me.

Galatians 3:23-25
23 Before faith came on the scene, the law did its best to keep us in line, restraining us until the faith that was to come was fully revealed.
24 So then, the law was like a tutor, assigned to train us and point us to the Anointed, so that we will be acquitted of all wrong and made right by faith.
25 But now that true faith has come, we have no need for a tutor. 26 It is your faith in the Anointed Jesus that makes all of you children of God

The law was meant to tutor or teach us about where we have erred!
It was also meant to show us what we were doing wrong!
The Mosaic law was meant to reveal to a sinner his very transgressions....
However, the law was not perfect or holy enough,just like the people of Israel,to justify or make us right with God!
Hence The faith which is Christ was revealed!
When we believe in Christ,we no longer need to be under the tutor of the law!

alBHAGDADI:
Your last verses say we are no longer observing the law as our guardian because Christ has come. Yes, and Christmas given us the Holy Spirit to help is remember all what he told us.

John 14:26
"But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.

Remember he told us in the old testament law that adulterers should be punished by stoning. Remember how he changed the law by preventing those people from stoning that adulteress.

Remember he said in the law that his people should not eat pig and other unclean things. Remember he later changed it by saying all things are clean for eating.

Remember he said in the law that males are to be circimcised. Remember the later changed it in the new testament.

Can you now show me where he changed the law on tithing in the new testament? You can never find. The closest you will see him speaking of tithe is in Mathew 23:23 which shows him upholding it. That instance would have been a perfeCt time for him to change it, like it was a perfect time for him to stop the stoning of adulterers when he saw an adulteress about to be stoned. it he never did. Who are you to now stop it when he never did?

The tithe was a LAW just the same way circumcision was also a LAW OF MOSES!
The Law is as a WHOLE and when God annulled the Law,it was completely done!
Secondly, let me inform you that christ could not change any mosaic law simple because he was still UNDER THAT SAME LAW!
While christ was on earth as a jew,he fulfilled the obligations of the laws of moses!
Hence any law he quoted was to bring to you notice the imperfections of the mosaic law!
Let me explain...
When the adulterous woman was about to be condemned and stoned,what was the reply of Jesus?
7 When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.

Did he question the law?
He knew the punishment for adultery as contained in the law,however never said anything against it!
But he only used wisdom to stop the woman from being stoned to death!
He knew he was UNDER THE LAW but he never CHANGED THE LAW contrary to what you said!
The other laws you erroneously claimed were changed or abolished by Christ in human form was actually done after his death and resurrection!

Please can i ask you a question....in the parable of the Good Samaritan,The PRIEST AND LEVITE were unable to help the man that was almost at the point of death...WHY?

alBHAGDADI:
The reason why I quoted Leviticus 18 for you is to show you that the parts of the law which God changed were specifically stated in the new testament, e.g animal sacrifices and those ones I listed above. The ones he didn't change in the new testament still holds. Examples are the laws on sex as seen in Leviticus 18. Since he didn't change them, then it means they still hold, that's why we don't practice sleeping with kins. Same thing with tithing. He never changed it in the new testament, that's why it holds today. His words still stand and anyone trying to stop tithing is only trying to change God's word.

Bro when it comes to the scriptures,you don't just make assumptions or guesswork!
God does not play dice!
He said a covenant and its ordinances have been annulled due to its imperfections,uselessness and worthlessness!
The Law had its purpose...it was to show a SINNER his TRANSGRESSIONS....
However the Law was not powerful enough to make us right with him!
If God says the laws of moses which he called holy is not meant to bring you CLOSE to him simply because it has become obsolete and useless,why are you still TRYING TO FORCE YOURSELF TO USE IT?

The law cant be taken and broken into bits where one decides which to obey or which one to leave out!
Its either you observe the ENTIRE LAWS OF MOSES or You DON'T DO ANY AT ALL!
The scriptures said so not me!

Galatians 3:10-11
10 For ALL who rely on the WORKS OF THE LAW are under a CURSE, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”
11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.

James 2:10-11
10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. 11 For he who said, “You shall not commit adultery,”[b] also said, “You shall not murder.”[c] If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker.

alBHAGDADI:
One thing you do not know is that tithing never got changed. You guys are always quick to point out that we no longer have the Leviticus priesthood and Levites, so you say it means tithing has become obsolete because the levites aren't around to receive it. What you fail to know is that tithe does not belong to Levites. If it doesn't belong to them, then who owns the tithes? It belongs to God Almighty. Take note of the bold parts of the below verse.

Leviticus 27:30
And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD'S: it is holy unto the LORD.

Deutronomy 14:22-29
22 Be sure to set aside a tenth of all that your fields produce each year.

23 Eat the tithe of your grain, new wine and olive oil, and the firstborn of your herds and flocks in the presence of the Lord your God at the place he will choose as a dwelling for his Name, so that you may learn to revere the Lord your God always.

24 But if that place is too distant and you have been blessed by the Lord your God and cannot carry your tithe (because the place where the Lord will choose to put his Name is so far away),

25 then exchange your tithe for silver, and take the silver with you and go to the place the Lord your God will choose.

26 Use the silver to buy whatever you like: cattle, sheep, wine or other fermented drink, or anything you wish. Then you and your household shall eat there in the presence of the Lord your God and rejoice.

27 And do not neglect the Levites living in your towns, for they have no allotment or inheritance of their own.

28 At the end of every three years, bring all the tithes of that year’s produce and store it in your towns, 29 so that the Levites (who have no allotment or inheritance of their own) and the foreigners, the fatherless and the widows who live in your towns may come and eat and be satisfied, and so that the Lord your God may bless you in all the work of your hands.


Numbers 18:20-24
20 The Lord said to Aaron, “You will have no inheritance in their land, nor will you have any share among them; I am your share and your inheritance among the Israelites.

21 “I give to the Levites all the tithes in Israel as their inheritance in return for the work they do while serving at the tent of meeting.

22 From now on the Israelites must not go near the tent of meeting, or they will bear the consequences of their sin and will die.

23 It is the Levites who are to do the work at the tent of meeting and bear the responsibility for any offenses they commit against it. This is a lasting ordinance for the generations to come. They will receive no inheritance among the Israelites.

24 Instead, I give to the Levites as their inheritance the tithes that the Israelites present as an offering to the Lord. That is why I said concerning them: ‘They will have no inheritance among the Israelites.’”

alBHAGDADI:
So you see, your talk of us no longer having Levitical priesthood is no strong argument against tithing. The tithe was God's portion for them. It belongs to God who now decoded to give them because they had no inheritance.

Deuteronomy 26:12-15
12 When you have finished setting aside a tenth of all your produce in the third year, the year of the tithe, you shall give it to the Levite, the foreigner, the fatherless and the widow, so that they may eat in your towns and be satisfied.

13 Then say to the Lord your God: “I have removed from my house the sacred portion and have given it to the Levite, the foreigner, the fatherless and the widow, according to all you commanded. I have not turned aside from your commands nor have I forgotten any of them.

14 I have not eaten any of the sacred portion while I was in mourning, nor have I removed any of it while I was unclean, nor have I offered any of it to the dead. I have obeyed the Lord my God; I have done everything you commanded me.

15 Look down from heaven, your holy dwelling place, and bless your people Israel and the land you have given us as you promised on oath to our ancestors, a land flowing with milk and honey.”

alBHAGDADI:
You also say since there is no more temple in Jerusalem to offer the tithe, then there is no need to tithe. Do you agree that the tithe is to be brought into God's house?

Malachi 3:10
Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house.

God is saying the tithe should be brought into His House. But you say the temple has been destroyed and no longer exists. That is very correct and it simply means that God has found somewhere else to call his house. That new house of God is called the Church.

1 Timothy 3:15
But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

Did you see how the above verse shows that the Church is now the house of God? Can you now see that your argument of God not having a house to receive tithe is no longer valid?

1 Corinthians 6:19
19 Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;
1 Corinthians 3:16-17
16 Don’t you know that you yourselves are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in your midst?

17 If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy that person; for God’s temple is sacred, and you together are that temple.

alBHAGDADI:
So, if God is still existing, still has a house and never opened his mouth in the Bible to say he is no longer interested in collecting the tithe which is his property, then why do you all say tithing has been abolished?

Did God say so? No.

Then why are you all saying so for him?

Galatians 3:10-11
10 But people who depend on following the law to make them right are under a curse. As the Scriptures say, “They must do everything that is written in the law. If they do not always obey, they are under a curse.”
11 So it is clear that no one can be made right with God by the law. The Scriptures say, “The one who is right with God by faith will live forever.”


Ephesians 2:13-15

13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

14 For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility,

15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace,

Hebrews 7:11-12
11 If a perfect method of reconciling with God—a perfect priesthood—had been found in the sons of Levi (a priesthood that communicated God’s law to the people), then why would the Scriptures speak of another priest, a priest according to the order of Melchizedek, instead of, say, from the order of Aaron? What would be the need for it? It would reflect a new way of relating to God

12 because when there is a change in the priesthood there must be a corresponding change in the law as well.


Hebrews 7:18-19
18 The old rule is now ended because it was weak and worthless.

19 The LAW OF MOSES could not make anything perfect. But now a BETTER HOPE has been given to US. And with that hope we can come near to God.

Galatians 3:21-25
21 Does this mean that the law works against God’s promises? Of course not. The law was never God’s way of giving new life to people. If it were, then we could be made right with God by following the law.

22 But this is not possible. The Scriptures put the whole world in prison under the control of sin, so that the only way for people to get what God promised would be through faith in Jesus Christ. It is given to those who believe in him.

23 Before this faith came, the law held us as prisoners. We had no freedom until God showed us the way of faith that was coming.

24 I mean the LAW was the guardian in charge of us until Christ came. After he came, we could be made right with God through faith.

25 Now that the way of faith has come, we no longer need the LAW to be our guardian.

nelsonoba:
Oga, you know both of us concluded our discussion yesterday because you are not interested in truth. You have made up your mind that you won't part with 10% of your money which you feel is too big for God. You are one of the kinds of 'christian' I fear to ever do business with, because a christian who sees 10% as too much to hand over to God that gave him the life he has MAY not think too much to defraud me of my 50% share from a business we do together, especially if he feels he can do it and get away with it somehow. I would rather do business with a total unbeliever who I know i have to watch with both eyes open until the business is concluded than do business with your type of greedy christian......except if i have no other choice at all.

bro I don't wish to dwell too much on unwarranted sentiments that profits any of us!
Even your stale and embarrassingly negative accusations about me only shows you have a huge issue trying to know the truth even with scriptures explicitly in front of you!
I felt you needed a reminder of the scriptures while straying erroneously esp the part where the law was abolished, however it seems you need much more than that to become a matured Christian!
Like I said ab initio,always learning but never comprehending!
Too bad!