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CodeTemplar:
I think he that liveth is he thay was alive in the spirit when he/she died.
The verse is talking about the fact that men receive the tithe physically here on earth but it is accounted unto he who pays in his "record" with Jesus.
The problem with the attackers of Christianity is that they are carnally minded and don't want to accept the analogies of the bible. The world is basically spiritual and the complexity and dynamics of the the spirit realm was being relayed to humans through analogy. That's why the bible calls us sheep to describe our followership and and usrs the analogy of a vine to describe our prosperity/dynamics of wealth. The bible is filled with analogies.

nelsonoba:
When Jesus said "if any man looks lustfully on a woman, he has already committed adultery with her", was that also referring to Mosaic law only?

When Jesus said "it is written thou shall not commit murder, but i say to you that any one who is angry with his brother without a reason has already committed murder", was that also referring to the Mosaic law only?

When Apostle Paul was writing in Hebrews 7:1 - 8, especially where he said "And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth", Was that also referring only to the Mosaic Law? At the time Paul wrote, were we still under the Mosaic law? Go and study Hebrews 7 very well.

JESUS SAID "I DID NOT COME TO ABOLISH THE LAW, BUT TO FULFIL IT".

The same Jesus that him and his disciples would sometimes not wash their hands before eating as was part of the ordinaces according to the Mosaic law, and the Pharisees would accost him to demand why they wouldn't wash their hands before eating, and Jesus would tell them that "it is what comes out of a man's heart that defiles him, and not what he eats".

FOR THE AVOIDANCE OF DOUBT, GOD DID NOT ABOLISH HIS LAWS(Just as Jesus said he didn't come to do so). Jesus only took away the ORDINANCES WHICH FORMED TRADITIONS OF MEN THAT WERE AGAINST US, AND THE BIBLE IS CLEAR IN DEFINING WHAT TYPES OF ORDINANCES WITHIN THE LAW THAT WERE ABOLISHED......such as not eating some kind of foods etc. Tithe was never mentioned among them. Not one place in the bible from old to new testament was it mentioned that tithe has now been done away with. THE GIVER OF THE LAW HIMSELF UPHELD TITHE IN MATTHEW 23:23, SO DADDY FREEZE IS A NOBODY TO TELL ME OTHERWISE!

tamethem:
Hannah I'm not in your shoes though. But saying you were born like this may be wrong. One of the most common causes is over protective habits by parents.

When they don't want to see their girl around boys and are at ease when their daughter hangs out only with girl friends . Gradually the poor girl starts falling in love with her female friends and eventually ends up a lesbian.

You may enjoy what you think you are but I believe you were not created this way. Some factors that are not natural are responsible.

I pray that one day like this girl you will have a change of heart.

Remain blessed

Abjay97:
Daddy freeze wont talk about the evils in lesbianism, homosexuality or divorce(of course he divorced his wife)...

Fake Pastor!!

Thank God for the deliverance of the lady..
Let Jesus be glorified..

nelsonoba:
No problem. The law has been abolished. You are now free to commit murder and adultery as well because they are no longer sin from the day the law was abolished by you.

nelsonoba:
No need to argue with you again. The best I can do for you is to pray for your salvation so you can encounter Christ.

nelsonoba:
Hebrews 7:8

Pls who is the person Apostle Paul talked about when he said here, "And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth?
bro i gave you the verse in simplified versions of verse 8 nah
Paul was referring to "MELCHIZEDEK"....he wasn't referring to Jesus Christ!
Go back and check the simplified translations i gave you!

WHO IS THE PERSON PAUL SAID IT IS WITNESSED THAT HE LIVETH? If you cannot answer that question truthfully, then I have no business trying to carry on with this conversation because it is obvious you are arguing not because you want to know the truth but because you want to protect your greed that makes you feel 10% of your money is too much for God.

Those priests get a tenth, but they are only men who live and then die. But MELCHIZEDEK, who got a tenth from Abraham, continues to live, as the Scriptures say.

8 Priests receive a tenth, even though they are only men who live and then die. But Melchizedek, who received a tenth from Abraham, continues living, as the Scripture says.

8 Moreover, in the case of the cohanim, the tenth is received by men who die; while in the case of Malki-Tzedek, it is received by someone who is testified to be still alive.

8 In the case of the priests descended from Levi, they are mortal men who receive a tithe of one-tenth; but the Scriptures record no death of Melchizedek, the one who received Abraham’s tithe.

alBHAGDADI:
Things of the spirit are not meant for fleshy minded people.

alBHAGDADI:
I gave you that article for you to try and digest to see the truth, but I was wrong because you lack the spirit to understand it.

alBHAGDADI:
You want me to give you clear verses to show we are spiritual Israel. Two can play that game. Do you believe Jesus is God? If yes, give me clear verses that show Jesus saying "I am God worship me". You will never find such, but we Christians know he is God and we worship him ? Why? Because the understanding of scriptures made us to know that .

nelsonoba:
Did anybody tell you before that the early Christians were forced to pay their 100% tithes that they were dropping at the feet of the Apostles?? Who ever said they were forced? They did it because they loved God with all their hearts and they saw no big deal giving all they had to God unlike you who because of greed can't even give God ordinary 10%.

And now, brothers and sisters, we want you to know about the grace that God has given the Macedonian churches. 2 In the midst of a very severe trial, their overflowing joy and their extreme poverty welled up in rich generosity. 3 For I testify that they gave as much as they were able, and even beyond their ability. Entirely on their own, 4 they urgently pleaded with us for the privilege of sharing in this service to the Lord’s people. 5 And they exceeded our expectations: They gave themselves first of all to the Lord, and then by the will of God also to us. 6 So we urged Titus, just as he had earlier made a beginning, to bring also to completion this act of grace on your part. 7 But since you excel in everything—in faith, in speech, in knowledge, in complete earnestness and in the love we have kindled in you—see that you also excel in this grace of giving.

Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God LOVES a GENEROUS giver.

nelsonoba:
Go back again to your Hebrews 7 and see what Apostle Paul said about tithes! Start from verse 1 again, and see where Paul said there had been a change of PRIESTHOOD from that of Levi as was known in the law to that of Christ which is after the order of Melchizedek! He went further to explain using the collection of tithe by Melchizedek, and how when we pay tithes, men receive it here, but it is also received by Christ our new priest up in heaven.

Hebrews 7:7-8 And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better.
And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.

nelsonoba:
JUST IN CASE YOU WANT TO USE GRAMMAR TO DECEIVE YOURSELF AGAIN, LOOK VERY WELL AT THE WORD "RECEIVE" IN VERSE 8. IT IS NOT A PAST TENSE, IT IS A PRESENT CONTINUOUS TENSE! SO AS PAUL WAS WRITING THAT LETTER IN THE NEW TESTAMENT, PEOPLE IN THE CHURCH WERE STILL PAYING TITHES AND CHRIST WHO IT IS WITNESSED THAT HE LIVETH RECEIVES THEM IN HEAVEN!

Those priests get a tenth, but they are only men who live and then die. But Melchizedek, who got a tenth from Abraham, continues to live, as the Scriptures say.

In the one case, the tenth is collected by people who die; but in the other case, by him who is declared to be living.

alBHAGDADI:
Kindly read the article in the link below.

https://www.desiringgod.org/messages/gods-word-stands-part-1

alBHAGDADI:
Romans 9:4-8
4 who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;

5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

God and the Jewish People
9 I am in Christ and I am telling you the truth. I am not lying. And my conscience, ruled by the Holy Spirit, agrees that what I say now is true. 2 I have great sorrow and always feel much sadness 3 for my own people. They are my brothers and sisters, my earthly family. I wish I could help them. I would even have a curse on me and cut myself off from Christ if that would help them. 4 They are the people of Israel, God’s chosen children. They have the glory of God and the agreements he made between himself and his people. God gave them the Law of Moses, the Temple worship, and his promises. 5 They are the descendants of our great fathers, and they are the earthly family of the Messiah, who is God over all things. Praise him forever! Amen.

6 I don’t mean that God failed to keep his promise to the JEWISH PEOPLE. But only some of the people of Israel are really God’s people. 7 And only some of Abraham’s descendants are true children of Abraham. This is what God said to Abraham: “Your true descendants will be those who come through Isaac.” 8 This means that not all of Abraham’s descendants are God’s true children. Abraham’s true children are those who become God’s children because of the promise he made to Abraham. 9 Here is what God said in that promise: “About this time next year I will come back, and Sarah will have a son.”

Galatians 3:29
You belong to Christ, so you are Abraham’s descendants. You get all of God’s blessings because of the promise that God made to Abraham.

alBHAGDADI:
Is Pharisee a tribe? Do you know that God is done with the nation of Israel and has instituted a new nation of Israel who are the believers? We are now the spiritual Israel. What makes you think there is no spiritual Levites? When I say spiritual Levites, I mean the roll they played in the house of God is what makes pastors spiritual Levite's because they play similar role in God's house. The pastors are not biological Levites but are levites by spirit, just as we are not biological children of Israel but we are children of Israel by spirit through faith.

Yes, Paul worked as a tenth maker to sustain himself, but does that mean Peter and the other full time apostles were thieves for not working and living of the gospel?

Below is Paul telling you that those whom God ordained to preach the gospel are to live of the gospel. He said he doesn't do such, but it is allow just as the law of Moses allowed such.

1 Corinthians 9:6-14
6 Or I only and Barnabas, have not we power to forbear working?

7 Who goeth a warfare any time at his own charges? who planteth a vineyard, and eateth not of the fruit thereof? or who feedeth a flock, and eateth not of the milk of the flock?

8 Say I these things as a man? or saith not the law the same also?

9 For it is written in the law of Moses, thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?

10 Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope.

11 If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things?

12 If others be partakers of this power over you, are not we rather? Nevertheless we have not used this power; but suffer all things, lest we should hinder the gospel of Christ.

13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?

14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel


As for pastors on Forbes, you are the fool paying your tithe to man who is above questioning. Go to a Baptist Church and see how true Christianity is practiced.

sotall:
Is Athletico Madrid vs Juventus a favourable draw?

nelsonoba:
This is what happens when the bible you read is daddy freeze! Go and read Acts 4:31-37 And Acts 5. The believers were selling their possessions and coming to drop 100% of the proceeds at the feet of the apostles......AND THE APOSTLES WERE COLLECTING THE MONEY!

34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,
35 And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need. KJV

34 that there were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned land or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales 35 and put it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to ANYONE who had NEED. NIV

nelsonoba:
And the early churches were not even COLLECTING only 10%. People were bringing 100%,

32 All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had. 33 With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And God’s grace was so powerfully at work in them all

nelsonoba:
and when Ananias and Sapphira tried to bring 50% and lied about it, God killed them for doing so. Just ordinary 10% that God asked you to bring is peppering your body to speak all these meaningless grammar

Now a man named Ananias, together with his wife Sapphira, also sold a piece of property. 2 With his wife’s full knowledge he kept back part of the money for himself, but brought the rest and put it at the apostles’ feet.

3 Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land?
4 Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn’t the money at your disposal?
What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied just to human beings but to God.”

4 Before you sold the field, it belonged to you, right? And even after you sold it, you could have used the money any way you wanted. How could you even think of doing such a thing? You lied to God, not to us!”

Before you sold it, it was all yours, and after you sold it, the money was yours to do with as you wished. So what got into you to pull a trick like this? You didn’t lie to men but to God.”

nelsonoba:
No need talking too much. I will address your last point cos it's very necessary I do so; Tithing is not same as freewill giving. Apostle Paul was referring to freewill giving in the passage you quoted in 2 Corinthians 9:7. Tithing is a command and is specific - 10% of profit. Offering or other giving are freewill and can be any amount.

nelsonoba:
The

Lastly, I don't know what bible you are quoting those Hebrew passages from, but this is what my King James bible says

Hebrews 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

nelsonoba:
THE PRIESTHOOD WAS CHANGED AND JESUS BECAME OUR HIGH PRIEST! JESUS BEING THE NEW HIGH PRIEST GAVE US A NEW SET OF LAWS WHICH HE SUMMED UP AS FOLLOWS
1) LOVE GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND ALL YOUR SOUL.

2) LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOUR AS YOURSELF.

nelsonoba:
The same Jesus went further to say "If you love me, you will keep my commandments". This same Jesus says we should pay tithes just as he said we should not look lustfully on a woman.

nelsonoba:
If you love Jesus, you will keep his commandments. If you can convince me that adultery is no longer a sin, because it has been abolished with the law, then you can also convince me that tithing has been abolished with the law.

nelsonoba:
Until then, the only thing that changed with the law was God summing up His commandments into 2 which are love for God and love for your neighbour........if you love GOD, you will not be too greedy to give Him 10% of your profit

PurplePatch:
This match is ending 5 -1 in favour of man U

EmekaBlue:
liverpool wont survive unbeaten this season

Andrez123:
It's been a Shakiri show in the 2nd half with the help of some deflections, Salah has been a bit poor today but who's cares when you leading 3-1 and the game is almost done.

nelsonoba:
For your burnt offering question, go and read Hebrews 10. The bible clearly says that Jesus has been made a sacrifice for us once and for all. So we do not need any further animal sacrifices.


If you think because a demand of God that existed before the law was transited to the law, and as such it should go away with the law, then it is very ok for me to murder you if I hate you, since murder was already wrong before the law and God transited it into the 10 commandments!

It will also be very good if I steal from you or I commit adultery with your wife since adultery was already a sin before the law as demonstrated by the story of Joseph and Potiphar's wife. Right?

The only thing that will make you single out tithing as something that must pass away with the law even after you've heard how Jesus upheld it in Matthew 23:23 is GREED! YOU FEEL 10% OF YOUR MONEY IS TOO MUCH TO GIVE TO GOD! If it's to lavish your money on buying the luxuries of life, you won't mind, but when it comes to giving to GOD, you suddenly feel 10% is too much for God. That shows where you place God in your scale of preference! No wonder Jesus said "where a man's heart is, there will his treasure be also"

kizyalex10:
Koscielny was very poor in this match.but i blame our defeat on our manager.when u knw our back four is nt good.i dont see why u dont play a very strong midfield.atleast Ramsey in place of guendouzi would have given us experience,athleticism.and power.dat guendouzi for me is arsenal problem.cos he is more of a woman.he likes to guide ball nd yet he cant.accurate pass .no power.cant mark.jst light weight.he should be training with d under 21 nd maybe come on when we re comfortably winning.even i prefer elneny to that guy.our coach should wake up nd choose his team on merit nt sentiment

nelsonoba:
Galatians 5:6
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. All that matters is faith, expressed through love.

Colossians 3:11
Here there is no Greek or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave, or free, but Christ is all and is in all.

You can now see for yourself. If you studied the bible for yourself, you would have seen that the bible clearly said circumcision no longer has any value in Christ. But can you show me where the bible ever said tithing never has any value after Jesus upheld it in Matthew 23:23?

Now, show your claims with scriptures or be very quiet! (And i hope you know daddy freeze's words are not scripture)

hoopLA:
Aberration is putting it lightly.

Help me tell that deviant pupil who failed o'level comprehension.

I dont know who allowed him to post on this forum.

I've been giving him opportunity to readers himself but he keeps ignoring it.

You dont have to be any type of scholar to understand that there is hardly any correlation between Christ and Melchizedek except in terms of similarity. There is no link scripturally except for basis of comparison.

Yet Albaghdadi wants us to accept that the two are the same.
Simply because he read "no beginning and ending" when that phrase could be translated to mean several things.

It is actually insulting that a fellow bases his argument on blatant falsehood either by design or even ignorantly.


I read somewhere that Abram's "tithe"was an ancient Mesopotamian tradition. How true is that? If indeed that is the case, how them does it tally with the pro-tithe argument given that Abram wasnt in the covenant at the time of the happening.

hoopLA:
Lol

You are a foolish person if you persist with this nonsense.

I think you should be the one proving that melchizedek is Christ since you brought it up.

The passage says Christ is of the order of Melchizedek. It doesnt say he is.

Be careful how you twist the word of God.

I dont have time to engage in your folly

And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest: (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.
And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of DEATH: But this man(JESUS), because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood. Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens; Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself. For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.

nelsonoba:
Did you actually read the op's write up or you just read the title and started running down here to comment with your gross ignorance? How can you be asking questions that he already answered somewhere in the write up? This is probably one of the reasons a foreigner made a comment about Nigerians years ago, saying "if you want to hide something from a Nigerian, put it in a book!". Cos a lot of us don't like reading, yet we want to prosper and even sometimes blame God or the church for our poverty in Africa

Moukandjo:
The way the OP tried to muddle things up dey funny. Man agrees pastors aren't Levites who God said should collect tithes but claims they are the spiritual tribe in the order of Melchizedek just to back up crap! Did God order any "spiritual tribe" of Melchizedek to collect tithes?

Jesus collected tithes as Melchizedek (I don't know when Jesus became Melchizedek) but how come when he "reincarnated as Jesus", he didn't deem it necessary to collect the same tithe he "collected as Melchizedek" in the new testament? OP, you no see say you funny?

Again, you were trying to bring up laws that Jesus came to clarify, but you didn't include laws such as Leviticus 19: 27 that weren't clarified by Jesus where we were told not to trim or cut the hair at the sides of your hair (the new fading hairstyle in town now that even your top pastors wear). Why your pastors no dey drum that one into the heads of their church members? Why e be say na only tithe wey them fit see chop dey concern your pastors?