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Travel › Re: Canada Visit/tourist Visa Discussion. by orjohn24: 12:53am On Mar 16, 2024*. Modified: 5:23pm On May 30, 2024 |
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Travel › Re: Canada Visit/tourist Visa Discussion. by orjohn24: 10:14pm On Mar 15, 2024 |
Newbie232: Thank you, do you know any time frame to get passport stamped. I only have 2 weeks in country. 2 weeks is short better return to ur based if you still have the time left on ur ircc passport request time and submit in europe where u live . |
Travel › Re: Canada Visit/tourist Visa Discussion. by orjohn24: 10:13pm On Mar 15, 2024 |
Emchilz859: Hello guys , I will be leaving for Canada in two weeks on a visit visa , but I did an upfront medical today because I have an intention of switching to study visa when I get there .
Now my questions are, is there an implication for doing the medicals when the medicals isn't even requested or required ?
And if it will be an issue can I ask Qlife clinic to cancel my medical and not upload it ?
I will appreciate responses , thanks 🙏 Do not cancel ur medical becos it more expensive to do medical inside canada and it has no negative on ur visit visa until u apply a new visa like student permit before the system will megre it to ur profile pls note if applying for student visa inside canada, u still going to present same requirement but only difference is you will not need attestation letter currently required for student visa but start preparing ur application package even before u move to canada especiallly ur admission offer and pof..pls avoid school not offering post study work permit(pgwp).. and do not think it automatic to get student permit even when u apply inside..you will still be accessed based on ur application..good luck |
Travel › Re: Canada Visit/tourist Visa Discussion. by orjohn24: 10:02pm On Mar 15, 2024 |
Newbie232: Hello here. I recently got approved for Canada visitor visa. I have two issues. I applied from Europe but currently in Nigeria now, I want to ask if I can get my visa stamped in Nigeria or it will be until I return back to Europe.
Also, the passport I applied expires in June so I’ve done a renewal and got new passport of which the previous one has been cancelled by NIS, do i need to write a letter to address this, go with both passport or just the new one. Thank you. You can get ur passport stamped anywhere in the world so far u have passport request from ircc ..and about ur passport u can just send a webform to exlplain it and u can send new passport for visa stamping and remember the time duration alocated to send ur passport |
Travel › Re: Canada Visit/tourist Visa Discussion. by orjohn24: 12:28am On Mar 12, 2024 |
anid54: Good evening from here all,
Money is not a challenge is there a way I can get this visitor visa on time at all cost? If no when can I be expecting a decision ?
Review of medical results March 4, 2024 You passed the medical exam.
Biometrics February 18, 2024 Completed. Looks like they used my old biometric that I did in 2015.
Biometrics Collection Letter February 19, 2024 February 20, 2024 Client Application Summary February 17, 2024 February 18, 2024 Submission Confirmation February 16, 2024 February 16, 2024 Confirmation of Online Application Transmission February 16, 2024 February 16, 2024 Madam,If you're wealthy and don't want to apply for a Canadian visa, you can gain citizenship in St. Kitts and Nevis, St. Lucia, or St. Vincent and the Grenadines through a $250,000 non-refundable investment and you will be issued a passport . This is a strategy employed by some wealthy Nigerians to avoid visa to many western country include uk and canada. But not cheap that about 450million naira  |
Travel › Re: Canada Visit/tourist Visa Discussion. by orjohn24: 4:13am On Mar 09, 2024 |
anid54: I also forgot to mention in my last post that my ex-husband, the father of my children is a US citizen. He included the data page of his US passport. Will that be an advantage?
Do you know when we can expect a decision? The man usa passport has no effect on processing time ; it serves as proof of parentage. The man is not a canadian citizen and not a resident but Having a USA visa can expedite Canada visa processing, currently taking about 5 to 6 months even many people that applied in october 2023 are yet to recieve any respond . Anyone in urgent need of a visa like canada visa without a USA visa should consider alternatives, canada visa processing is not fast , as a respond before June seems unlikely in ur case. Most provinces will start issuing attestation letters for student visa processing this month , leading to a mass influx of student applications next month for September entry , increasing the workload. IRCC will likely prioritize student visas over visitor visas, potentially impacting visitor visa processing as well. |
Travel › Re: Canada Visit/tourist Visa Discussion. by orjohn24: 1:11am On Mar 09, 2024 |
anid54: Hello everyone,
I submitted my Canadian visitor visa application on Feb 16, and I completed my biometrics on Feb 29.
I need to travel to Canada urgently. Is there any way to expedite the application process?
I am divorced and applied with my three children. We traveled together to the UK and Germany last year, and now I want to take them to Canada for a vacation. Their father is covering the trip costs, and I included his consent in the application. I am concerned if my divorced status will impact the application outcome.
I initially intended to go for study, so I underwent a medical examination as part of my application. The latest status I can see is that I passed the medical examination. Will this affect my application, and will they be aware that I did it with the intention of obtaining a student visa? There is no way to expedite your canada tourist application process for vacation as it is not an emergency . Your medical examination will not affect your visa application, as the system just updated based on your matching profile from the upfront medical test but you did not submit a student visa application and your divorce status should not have an effect on your application, considering your good travel record. Still, hope for the best.l wish u all the best |
Travel › Re: Canada Visit/tourist Visa Discussion. by orjohn24: 5:10pm On Mar 07, 2024 |
slimmsyyetty: Thank you. You are right. If it was for tourism, the money could fly for a family of 4, but her US interview has brought about a change on how the VO MIGHT review her application because of the expectant baby who was to be birth in the US(no more applicable) as seen on US database as the ground for inadmissibility
She has birth two kids in the US and she didn't use that to abscond but resides in Nigeria with her family....I trust God this should have a positive impact on her application because if she had wanted to run, she would have done that a long time ago.
It is true that she could have birth her baby before IRCC final decision, but what if a decision was made before approval, or what do you think? Even if she dropped the kids for the purpose of POF because of birthing plans, they still have nothing to loose as US citizens. They can fly as a whole family next time with their US citizenship.
Shalom The process of giving birth in Canada can be more complicated compared to the USA. It is easier to find a doctor in the USA who will provide a letter stating that you are coming to give birth, whereas in Canada, it is extremely difficult to find a doctor who will write such a letter for visa application purposes or even reply your email it often phone conversation . While it is not impossible, most people who give birth in Canada use their existing visas for this purpose. If she were to reapply for a visa now and state that she is coming to give birth, it would be challenging to obtain the supporting documents from a doctor or hospital in Canada. However, if she already has a visa, she can arrive in Canada and inform the border officer that she is coming on holiday with her family and also plans to give birth. The primary factors that the border officer will consider are finances and arrangements because giving birth in Canada on a visitor visa is not a crime but not cheap. For example, in Calgary, some hospitals require you to pay a $15,000 deposit, and the hospital fee is different from the deposit, but it could be cheaper elsewhere in Canada too |
Travel › Re: Canada Visit/tourist Visa Discussion. by orjohn24: 3:32pm On Mar 07, 2024 |
slimmsyyetty: Most likely, the US visa officer must have seen you had already applied for a Canada visa was why you were asked twice on whether you have tried somewhere else, but please, never blame yourself on the outcome because you thought you weren't thinking straight. Pregnancy hormone could have its impact. Rather, cast all to God and ask for favor at the point of your Canada visa application review.
Please permit me to say this in my own opinion with your little narration... based on the 28M POF(naira devaluation impact) and birthing plans, ''if" you are going with your other children(despite their US citizenship) and husband, please, I would suggest you drop your two children and withdraw their application to make the POF a bit sustainable during review. Cost of flights for you and your husband isn't less than 5M aside all other cost( whether you were invited or you would all be lodging), much more birthing bills and expenses.
The VO might overlook birthing in Canada having seen that your children are US citizens and you all still resides in Nigeria(where some would have used the opportunity not to return), but the POF would have a role. The choice is still yours, though.
I wish you a successful approval
Shalom Good point you made but what she applied is visa to visit canada as a tourist and not for birthing purpose as at when she applied even if she add her children to the application then 28m is still about 24000kcad as at today oanda exchange rate which is more than enough for 4 people for a few days tourist visit to canada..l think best option is just to hope for the best and wait visa officer decision becos withdrawing that application now and starting afresh the child could have been born even before a decision is reached . |
Travel › Re: Canada Visit/tourist Visa Discussion. by orjohn24: 2:52pm On Mar 07, 2024 |
lakeside3020: Congratulations, can you see now that i know what i am saying and that i speak based on antecedents not just a mere imagination, i said your application will be approved, but one over sabi antagonist on this platform that just manage to submit visiting visa application and turn himself/herself to an application instructor without knowing anything was saying otherwise
Ooh,na that yeye orjohn24 Hello, everybody. Once your visa passes the processing time, it's automatically approved. Our honorable visa officer on Nairaland (lakeside3020) has spoken so start getting ur ticket money ready and packing your bags . but for me l still disagree with that statement because l have seem people visa get approved and refused over or under processing time .. Thank you and Congratulation to the man reuniting with his wife upon the approval of her visa  |
Travel › Re: Canada Visit/tourist Visa Discussion. by orjohn24: 2:32pm On Mar 07, 2024 |
Superwoman1101: Thank you, our proof of funds was 28 million Naira when we applied . Also my usa visa was denied on the ground that there is a US law that now prohibits pregnant women from going to give birth for the sole purpose of citizenship, I told d vo that there is an exception to the rule if I had a medical condition and I can afford it, she asked for the doctor's report and after going through it she said she wanted more like the doctor should have referred me to a doctor in the usa, told her I had a doctor in the usa who has ac epted me but not referred by my doctor in Nigeria, moreover our government also prohibits doctors to refer patients abroad, she explained the law further to my husband n I and why her hands were tied, she asked if I tried somewhere else, I said no because I had given birth to my 2 kids in the usa previously so it was natural for me to gravitate towards d usa, at some point she asked me again and I gave the same answer, thinking about it after I left, she might have been asking about my Canada application but at the time of the interview I wasn't thinking straight moreover at the time of my application my plans where solely to visit canada and not to go have a baby which wasn't declared in my application , maybe I should have said Canada I don't know Firstly, if you had your previous two children in the USA on a B1/B2 visa, why would you need an interview again to secure a new visa instead of using the dropbox option? Moreover, your previous USA visa should surely enhance your chances of obtaining a Canadian visa. The Canadian visa officer will compare the date you applied with the date your USA visa was refused. Some officers might still send you a procedural fairness letter to explain this, noting that you have not violated any regulations. Indeed, some people are refused entry to the USA and still obtain a Canadian visa. Therefore, your USA visa refusal under Section 214(b) is not a ban; it simply means you were refused without having committed any crime. So, just relax, pray, and hope you get the Canadian visa approved. |
Travel › Re: Canada Visit/tourist Visa Discussion. by orjohn24: 8:16pm On Mar 06, 2024 |
adunnioladipupo: I don't see you going far in life honestly speaking.
Because despite all, you seems not remorseful.
We shall all hear of it , going forward A Nigerian by name Ndubuisi was arrested in Thailand last year, and because he is of Igbo origin, you're basing your stereotype about an entire tribe on this one incident...you're behaving like someone who discriminates based on tribal affiliations. I steer clear of engaging with individuals who make such broad untrue and unfair generalizations. Yet, here I am, pointing out someone's wrongdoing, and you're questioning me about my fellow countryman...when you've unjustly condemned an entire tribe! You really should feel ashamed of your comment!
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Travel › Re: Canada Visit/tourist Visa Discussion. by orjohn24: 6:25pm On Mar 06, 2024 |
adunnioladipupo: You haven't answered my question, because you keep stating same quote since yesterday....
I said was that a yardstick to report your fellow country Men?
And if your answer is YES, please what's the different between you a chronic liar and them? when you keep denying the obvious, even a foolish individual will know you indeed private chat them as one can easily Merge how you type your English here with the same screenshot respectively.
I want to conclude you are indeed ashamed to stand boldly and acknowledge doing so. Bravo my brother Keep your fellow countryman mentality to yourself, as it has played a part in our country's setbacks and corruption. Individuals like you are prone to deception and manipulation, using tribalism and nepotism as a veil for dishonesty. In contrast, people like me uphold integrity. You ought to refine your inadequate investigative skills instead of drawing erroneous conclusions. You are welcome to revert to your group, create more screenshots, and attempt another approach. Your aim to divert attention from the true issues of deceit and lying is evident! |
Travel › Re: Canada Visit/tourist Visa Discussion. by orjohn24: 4:08pm On Mar 06, 2024 |
adunnioladipupo: Sorry brother, let assume all you listed are indeed true, please is this a yardstick to report your fellow country Men?
I expect everyone here to call you out and ban you outrightly on this forum.
You never denied all the allegations of reporting them to.... Instead you are going back and forth repeating same thing.
The Asirioluwa, and the likes needs to speak out and not trying to calm down the tempo on the platform, they're respected and more knowledgeable but keeping silent means one thing, is either they are in support of your wrong deed or they don't want you to attack them as you have been doing to everyone.
I won't be surprised if you come for my head after reading this as I can remember how you talk rudely to mojisolani.
I expect you to be sober and show a reflection after they brought out your chats, with the same threat you outer here on nairaland and you still trying to denied the obvious, is indeed a sign of weakness.
More than 5 individuals have called you out for private chatting them and one even go to the extent of screenshoting your text with your number, yet you still keep lying up and down.
My question is very simple, why is it only you having issues with almost everyone here? I beg check yourself and work on your attitude towards people and life
All the very best. some of you are just generating unnecessary sympathy to support your leader, which will never influence someone like me. I have called someone out for their deceitful character, yet all they manage to do is present a screenshot that's irrelevant to me. Continue with your sympathetic narratives built on falsehoods; they have no bearing on me. A hundred people may align with liars, but I will remain steadfast in pursuit of the truth. He has no right to be selling or advertising LMIA, and it's time he disclosed the truth about how he obtained his own work permit to his followers. He initiated this by posting negative comments here, and he should realize that people like me are well aware of who he is—we are not among those he can deceive with his feigned, manipulative kindness. |
Travel › Re: Canada Visit/tourist Visa Discussion. by orjohn24: 12:17pm On Mar 06, 2024 |
Iriabay: The day I enter Canada, anything Nigerians and their clicks, count me out... if I wan struggle without mingling with you lots, then so be it.. How can u report your fellow country man to IRCC? No matter what.. How? Angry black generation 🤮🤮 Many of you are just blind followers and lack logical reasoning, clouded with a baseless sense of judgment, and that's why our country is in a mess. An individual was banned from this group due to numerous violations. However, he created another page to attack people here, and you see nothing wrong with that. He also formed a WhatsApp group to deceive people with much misinformation, and you see nothing wrong with that either. He advertised LMIA for sale and was kicked out of another group despite making a false asylum claim himself to obtain a work permit, and you think that's okay. I called him out, but all he did was post Canada street photos here as his defense. Unfortunately, gullible people like you think that's a smart defense. Now, I understand why many will continue to be scammed as we tolerate manipulators and cheaters among us. |
Travel › Re: Canada Visit/tourist Visa Discussion. by orjohn24: 11:19pm On Mar 05, 2024 |
ofime123: Please forget about that hospice orjohn24 that his time to die is almost near so his always consume with hatred and anger. He will soon leave this thread in peace You are a just a little guy following the crowd..l know Viking07 more than u do..he can deceive person like u with is sweet talk but not people like me. |
Travel › Re: Canada Visit/tourist Visa Discussion. by orjohn24: 11:14pm On Mar 05, 2024 |
Voltron007: Thank you for you advice. 🙂
I did not share all my details. 99% of what you read here are just baseless claims.
That said , the WhatsApp group was and is still helping people navigate the various immigration pathways. There are millions of WhatsApp/ telegram groups with information that you won’t see on public space like this. But when nuisance like we have here decide to act like the nuisance they are, there’s nothing you can do than weed them out(which is the genesis of this drama).
We’ve got entire families in the group & so far it’s been a safe space where people get support, share their private battles and victories. ✌️❤️ Mr. Holy Saint Michael, you obtained a work permit as asylum seeker , but you're advertising the sale of LMIA, falsely claiming that you obtained your work permit through LMIA. Have you disclosed to any of your gullible followers how you truly obtained your work permit last year before promoting LMIA under false pretends. It seems like a dubious group of people always seeking ways to exploit others under the guise of assistance.. people will never cease to amuse me with different deceptive characters .l rest my case! |
Travel › Re: Canada Visit/tourist Visa Discussion. by orjohn24: 8:09pm On Mar 05, 2024 |
Voltron007: 🤣🤣 When you’re engulfed with so much hate and bitterness over people who are not even aware of your existence. The above is the outcome.
So many good people have left this thread because of the evil that goes on here. Hence the reason I made my earlier comment.
To whom it may concern. If you can get a Visit visa(which is now very difficult to get anyways) get it. Come to Canada. There are a handful of LEGAL pathways available for you. You’ll learn when you come in. All of us here that have made it and will continue to make it no get 2 heads. Your case can’t be different. If Canada is as bad as they want you to believe. Why are they not coming back to ikorodu?
Don’t let some dark souls mislead you here.
All the best mbok.
With love from Toronto.😆❤️ See cheap defense to distract his gullible followers. Nobody said Canada is bad, but I was expecting you to come here and say I am not Viking07, who was banned and now created another profile. I was expecting you to say I did not make a fake asylum claim when I arrived in Canada with a sport WX-1 visa, that I got my work permit via LMIA or a legal path, not a fake asylum claim. I was expecting you to say I did not advertise LMIA for sale. I was expecting you to say I did not create a group to encourage fake asylum claims and illegal documents. But you just justified me becos you know am saying the truth about u! |
Travel › Re: Canada Visit/tourist Visa Discussion. by orjohn24: 7:05pm On Mar 05, 2024 |
ofime123: If you are the one that send that message may you life be so sorrowful to the extend you will beg for death and you will not see. But if you are not the one may you live a flourish life. If you can reply me with Amen then I will apologize to you. Amen 100 times, but please also say amen to this prayer because it was you who posted information about truck driving routes to convert visitor visas to work visas last year, including the wrong advice about driving schools, and some Nigerians were stranded after following your advice. May the same fate await you anytime you arrive in Canada unless the information you posted is true! |
Travel › Re: Canada Visit/tourist Visa Discussion. by orjohn24: 6:13pm On Mar 05, 2024 |
ofime123: You are still lying so what's the difference between you and people that lie to seek asylum, bobo yi ti ya wé rē ahaa It was you that posted a fake information about truck driving route to convert vv to work visa last year about driving school and some nigerian were stranded becos ur information was totally wrong but today u have refuse to apologise but rather u on the defensive mood..shame shaame |
Travel › Re: Canada Visit/tourist Visa Discussion. by orjohn24: 6:10pm On Mar 05, 2024 |
Levels1: May you perish with all you do in life if you are indeed the one who private chat me and if you aren't may you succeed in life Amen.
I will be expecting your acknowledge to this. LoLs
I understand how you feel by now cause you now feel ashamed and admitted your deed is a shameful act, hence trying so hard to denied the obvious LoLs
You are toying with your future You're just spamming this forum with all these unnecessary messages. I'm never ashamed of the truth. What deeds are you referring to by pointing out that some of you guys provide misleading and false information.Please stop all this empty ranting online, and let's discuss and share more informative information...my future is more than secure..it u that need to check urself! |
Travel › Re: Canada Visit/tourist Visa Discussion. by orjohn24: 5:44pm On Mar 05, 2024 |
Levels1: The Lady in question is mojisolani, it was because I defended her when you attacked her personality hence you comes to my WhatsApp and started talking trash. And same lady equally accused you of chatting her on WhatsApp.
My question is ,are you the only one on nairaland?
I will keep advising you, please learn to trade with cares... Hello, I will never go to anybody's DM or message any stranger on WhatsApp. You are directing your accusation to the wrong place. Let's face the real discussion here and stop misleading people or sharing wrong information.if anybody clone my id or join any group that ur problem.so let trade with respect and care too..anything you put online is not privacy again so if anybody want privacy keep ur private life and private data to urself..that my honest advice! |
Travel › Re: Canada Visit/tourist Visa Discussion. by orjohn24: 5:21pm On Mar 05, 2024 |
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Travel › Re: Canada Visit/tourist Visa Discussion. by orjohn24: 5:15pm On Mar 05, 2024 |
ofime123: Don't worry John, people will visit you soonest in your apartment in Saint John, new found land it's not a coincident that your user name here is orjohn24 and your username in tgat whatsap group is john3:16 not also a coincident that john owns that number your supporters will cry on your behave soon A person that has no visa talking about visit to saint john in newfoundland in edo state to meet his friend john not me . Na u dey apply usa visa , apply france and canada..where u dey go self..u just want japa to anywhere by force. Sorry =) |
Travel › Re: Canada Visit/tourist Visa Discussion. by orjohn24: 5:07pm On Mar 05, 2024 |
Levels1: Please kindly upload the screenshot on this quote so that it will be glaring for everyone to read and understand if indeed he wasn't the one. Are you is spoken man or his advocate..let Viking07 himself come here and defend himself and his activities.one day soon u guys will see some stuff online and u will be quiet forever! Am not the baby type uploading stuff online..let the law take its course and judgement will be served! |
Travel › Re: Canada Visit/tourist Visa Discussion. by orjohn24: 4:51pm On Mar 05, 2024 |
ofime123: You bought a stupid latvia number online to join the group so there will not be traces. When we kick you out you now report the admins of the group to ircc then forget to use the latvia number. You now use you Canadian number to send that message you see as God take catch you, I have all your details of you don't know I do not know anything u talking about here but it point to one thing if u smart,it shows you guys having many people aginst many of ur activites becos you have not explain how and what happen that this guy exchange number or whuch business or activities u doing together.that ur problem..but stop sharing misleading information like the truck lairs u share last year here..am for the truth and any misleading information by agent and people like you is affecting us all as many nigerian get stranded!! |
Travel › Re: Canada Visit/tourist Visa Discussion. by orjohn24: 4:22pm On Mar 05, 2024 |
ofime123: Na me the werey first contact he said he want to apply for visa for his elder brother and asking me some questions and I was answering him honestly, he ask me he want his brother to migrate to Canada, I simply gave him all the option, I told him his brother can go for express entry if age is still on his side, or apply to sch get admission and apply for visa after school he can change his status if he want. I also gave him a suggestion, if he can get visit visa which is cheaper compared to sv and try his luck in seeking for job which is also legal. Or apply to sch inside Canada and change to sv, I didn't even give him any advise on assylum. So I don't know where assylum is coming from. Even the assylum is also legal.he was saying hmm he doesn't want his brother to suffer because people are suffering in asylum. That was when I started suspecting his the fool always talking trash on niaraland. I will never contact any of u...maybe in ur dreams ...all this are just to derail the forum .l know ur games but let face the real topic and stop all this childish rumours |
Travel › Re: Canada Visit/tourist Visa Discussion. by orjohn24: 4:17pm On Mar 05, 2024 |
Anguldi: You don't join group but Whatsapp group caused the problem.
Am Corn 🌽 fused. U need mental assessment.
My own be say, don't report our mods to FBI, SARS, or Mopol  Let me lift from your quote so ur other members will see your hypocrisy In whatever groups you guys belong to or whatever multiple profiles you've created here to attack me. In Nigeria, we start every meeting with a prayer, tell lies throughout the meeting, and end with a prayer... hypocrites. Many of you continue to defend misleading information. This guy was here last year giving advice like a specialist in the field of truck driving in canada , but some people followed his advice, and it failed because it was based on falsehood and misinformation..you guys can gather ur misinformation and ur rumours ..am here for u, it a sunny day=) |
Travel › Re: Canada Visit/tourist Visa Discussion. by orjohn24: 3:38pm On Mar 05, 2024 |
Levels1: Please don't turn blind eyes, quote me on the pasted number +1 709-701-6347.
Best regards. Sorry, u cannot get my number..l dont join group or talk to stranger on whatapp so where u see this number is ur problem..it never and will never be my number  |
Travel › Re: Canada Visit/tourist Visa Discussion. by orjohn24: 3:35pm On Mar 05, 2024 |
Levels1: Be bold and Man enough to back whatever you do.
Indeed you used to private chat people , I trust you will certainly denied the fact. +1 709-701-6347.
But if you claimed or denied this number and that you indeed private chat, May everything turned against the owner of the line Amen.
All I'm saying is that you should trade with cares.....
Best regards You guys are just some funny characters..l do not belong to ur level so u can paste any number here.that can never be me...l will not text or sms any of u .dey play  |
Travel › Re: Canada Visit/tourist Visa Discussion. by orjohn24: 3:31pm On Mar 05, 2024 |
Anguldi: OGA, have you heard of LMIA . Someone on visit with a skill in demand can get a job with that document. It's very legal. You can switch to student while on visit and still get work permit. Stop hating This why many are getting stranded with visit visa becos LMIA is extremely very difficult and having that mindset of changing visit visa to work will get you stranded! So if you have in demand skill go for express entry let no agent decieve u! |