₦airaland Forum

Dtruthspeaker:
See how anti-God are destroying former God Fearing Africa with their atheism?

I am amazed at the devastating floods everywhere, even in places that have never been flooded before. Whole towns and villages blanketed by waters.

And without a doubt, this was foreseeable as more people are becoming less God Fearing!

And of course as people have increased in their atheism, all the plagues and punishments and wraths which God poured on anti-God countries have now started pouring on our country eg Mindless and gruesome murders, insecurity, floods, heatwaves, aggravation, depression, suicides, hunger, joblessness, etc

Was it the Atheists that made the Lagdo dam in Cameron to release its excess waters?

Or why else is this flood happening right now if not for the inaction of your government to do their part when the dam was constructed in 1980?

Or was it the Atheists that made the Nigerian government to not so their own part since 1980?

Mutant001:
many christians can't even question the bible by asking simple questions like

1.who wrote the bible?

2.who compiled it?

3.when was each book of the bible written and compiled?

4.who stored it over thousands of years?

5.who appointed and selected the book that should be included as canonical books?

6.on what basis were some canonical books removed and added and why is the book of the bible 66?

7.did supreme God himself pick the book of the bible to be included during compilation?

8.did Supreme God appoint anyone as compilator...then when was that..and whom did he appoint?

9.why did pagan historical actors like emperors and ceaser has so much influence on the bible?

10.who truly wrote ecclesiastes, proverb and many more books in the bible with controversial authors?

The 66 books of the Bible as we have it today was handpicked by the Catholic church.

There are many other books that were not deemed fit as "canonical" by the Catholic church and therefore, didn't make it to final list.

Books like - the book of Enoch, the Gospel of Thomas, the Gospel of Mary, the book of the wars of Jehovah, etc.

Personally, I see the Bible as more symbolic/allegorical than literal.

When taken as LITERAL history, there becomes too many contradictions.

Mutant001:
How can one call "noah" the ancestor of the whole race?
How did blacks, chinese, european,india,fulani, Kenyans etc..come out of the family of 5 in just 5000years?

Well, the story of Noah in the bible is not original.

It is a cheap copy of the story of Ziusudra the last king of Sumer before the great flood.

In the Babylonian version of the story, Ziusudra was also known as Utnapishtim.

In the epic of Gilgamesh, he (Gilgamesh) met Atrahasis who survived the great flood.

Ziusudra = Utnapishtem = Atrahasis

Funny thing is that there are numerous stories of a great flood in many other cultures from antiquity - China, Mesoamerica, etc.

MaxInDHouse:
What you failed to realize is that the book they studied with you is not inspired but what they understood at that point in time so it has been updated and since you only studied with them without becoming a member you won't know anything about the updates!

Interesting admittance.

If that book was not inspired and has been "updated", how are we sure that any of your other books are actually inspired?

You have just rubbished the "Spiritual food" of your Governing body.

Without a doubt, if your elders see your comments on Nairaland, them go disfellowship you sharp sharp.

MaxInDHouse:
The Bible God said He created humans in His own image {Genesis 1:26} so His attributes like having strong likeness for selected individuals, getting jealous and feels regret shows the consistency in His word!

"And God said LET US make/create mankind in OUR IMAGE and in OUR LIKENESS..."

First of all who is the " Us"/"Our" ?

If only you did some research into the history of ancient Mesopotamia, you would learn about the true story of creation and not the half-baked watered-down version we were given in the old testament.

Also, don't forget that an "image and likeness" is largely relative.

Before we homo-sapiens came into being, we used to have the homo-erectus - in whose image were the homo-erectus created?

Remember that for a fact, there are potentially billions of many other sentient beings living on other planets across the universe in different shapes and sizes - in whose image were they created?

The true "image and likeness" is not merely physical, but in a reality, a "Spiritual" image and likeness. - I used the term "Spiritual" for lack of a better word.

Lighthouse50:
Otenearon, your dictionary definition is low compared to the powers of YHWH. He is the ALMIGHTY. I noticed you used the pronoun "IT" For your almighty which makes it a non living. You are mistaken a space to humans around the space. based on your god, its like saying my compound is mightier than I. Because it occupies more space than i am but i need to explore and move around to discouer new things in my space. Thats your analogy which is untrue. As i have the power to develop my environment and if i like abandon it and it remains as i live it without it being able to develop due to its non-existing status is the same way he mind is. The state of mind is not god but he that has power to control it.

Like I mentioned in my post, my definition and yours can't be the same.

I don't see "God" as simply some physical manifestation who lives in "heaven", has a special people, gets jealous and feels regret - these are human features.

When you study the attributes of YHWH in the bible especially the old testament, that is exactly how he is portrayed.

I cannot fathom that such a "God" with an Infinite Mind would be limited by such constraints.

I understand "God" to be everywhere and everything all at once.

He is in the trees, in the flower, in a planet, in a galaxy, in the entire universe, in man - everywhere, everything, all at once.

I agree that my pronoun of calling "God" an "it" may sound inappropriate.

But do you get where I am coming from?

MaxInDHouse:
I have told you that your definition of GOD is not acceptable since it's not the primary meaning of SUPREME BEING. But if you think it is then present the GREATER ACHIEVER you know and HIS, HER or IT'S ACHIEVEMENTS.

Who are you to say which definition of God is acceptable?

You called your God the SUPREME BEING and I asked a simple question.

As the SUPREME BEING, is your God omnipotent?

You couldn't answer.

You're trying to dodge from the truth because you think everyone is unintelligent like you that faithless people around you wooed with cheap philosophical theories that has nothing to do with reality!

Who said this was an intelligence contest?

It is you who is worshiping a God that is neither omnipotent, omnipresent nor omniscient.

It is you who is faithless for denying the infinite power that lies within you.

You would rather worship something outside yourself.

Look within!

I am one of the WORSHIPER of JEHOVAH we are a million times smarter than Satan, all his demons and human agents put together.
If you're here to discourage people from false religions it's OK but creating a hoax and thinking true disciples of the most wonderful counselor will be trapped, no way!

It is clear to even the blind that this Jehovah you worship must be the actual devil.

Cos, he doesn't want his worshippers to know the truth about their identity.

He can't be Almighty or all powerful since he is neither omniscient, omnipresent nor omnipotent.

Deal with the fact that the SUPREME BEING has nobody that's more powerful than Him not presumptuously creating what you can't adequately defend!

Here we go again.

If there is "nobody" more powerful, does this mean your God is omnipotent?

Simple question, but you cannot answer.

Courz:
Interesting take on how the Watchtower uses Mind control on Jehovah's witnesses. I have a post I bumped into below that helps explain how the method Watchtower uses also involves hypnotism as well. The method of Questions and answers when they study in the Kingdom hall was thoroughly explained too. There is a psychological angle to it. Check it out. These are Mind control methods that have been explored by the See.Eye.A as well. This is why Watchtower likes JWs never to miss meetings because once they do, the indoctrination wears off with time and gives way to critical thinking ability which is why many have woken up from the Cult since the Pandemic. The pandemic interrupted their mind control classes.

I completely agree with you.

It was not until I started doing research into the organization, religion in general and when I did a deep dive into studying the human mind, that I started seeing these things for what they really are.

Indoctrination is a powerful tool for mind control and this is what makes Religion dangerously powerful.

MaxInDHouse:
Power over all other beings.

That's what SUPREME BEING means.

So since you said you already have a GREATER ACHIEVER all you need now is tell me who you know that's MORE POWERFUL and has ACHIEVED more than JEHOVAH not just a hoax!

MaxInDHouse why do love going around in circles?

Is your God, Jehovah omnipotent or not?

Since you have agreed that he is not, it's fine.

Unlike your God, the Infinite Mind is actually omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient.

You can do whatever with that information.

MaxInDHouse:
The problem here is i'm saying something but you're saying another thing!



This is where we started this discussion.
I'm less concerned about what you think rather i'm interested in knowing the SUPREME BEING and what makes HIM, HER, IT supreme.

So philosophies that has nothing to do with orderliness among beings is of no use now because each of us is an intelligent being therefore the one who is SUPREME must have ACHIEVED GREATER things that we need to see before we can agree that HE, SHE or IT is truly SUPREME.

Don't forget that even among humans supremacy has to do with WORK, INFLUENCE or CONTROL so present the ACHIEVEMENTS of this your so called GREATER ACHIEVER not just THEORIES with no PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS nor BENEFITS!

What makes a supreme being "SUPREME" - is it not by it being all powerful?

From the dictionary we found out, that to be Supreme you must have power over all - isn't that the same as being omnipotent?

Just as you have admitted that your God, Jehovah is not omnipotent, that therefore means he is not the "Supreme Being"

This isn't some fancy philosophy.

It is simple logic.

MaxInDHouse:
This is what you typed:



So instead of talking about what we can't see i want us to focus on the ACHIEVEMENTS of this your newly found GREATER ACHIEVER who has achieved much more than my own JEHOVAH so i can compare the two!

Exactly my point.

Do not quote me out of context.

Have you forgotten that it is what you cannot see that is the cause of the things you can see?

Before you do anything today, you must have first thought about it in your mind.

It is what the ancients call the natural law.

Nobody in the entire cosmos can escape this law of cause and effect.

You can't escape this law, neither can your God.

So therefore, EVERYTHING you can see today, including your God Jehovah, are only but a thought in the Infinite Mind.

I guess this is difficult for you to fathom.

MaxInDHouse:
I love this!
So let's talk about the ACHIEVEMENTS of this GREATER ACHIEVER!

Don't forget that the word SUPREME according to the dictionary means power and that has to do with WORK, INFLUENCE or CONTROL.

Please can you enlighten me on the WORKS, INFLUENCE or CONTROL of this GREATER ACHIEVER and how it relates to ORDERLINESS in the midst of those who knew HIM, HER, IT?

Thanks in advance!

Please don't misquote me.

I didn't ask a question.

Just like how your concious mind works that it is what you think about that is created in your life, this Infinite Mind is behind all you see today in existence both seen and unseen-

Everything - You, Me, your God, and all the billions of galaxies in the cosmos, are all but a thought by the Infinite Mind.

The fact that you can think is an absolute and attestation to the power of the Infinite Mind.

The fact that you can cannot control how your heart pumps blood, neither can you control your skin to secrete sweat when you sleep, is another abosolute attestation to the Infinite Mind.

It is all in all.

It is everywhere and in everything all at once.

It is in you - look within!

Can your God claim the same thing?

MaxInDHouse:
The word SUPREME means the GREATEST so why not wait until another GREATER achiever suffice before concluding on that?

For now what we need to focus on is the one who has proved to be SUPREME!

Why do have to wait when there is already a GREATER Acheiver?

So GREAT that it is called the Infinite Mind behind the entire cosmos.

Because it is everywhere at once, knows everything, is all powerful, and permeates into the inner spaces of the universe.

Your God Jehovah, is only a weak shadow of that infinite mind - Just as you are also an image of that infinite mind.

No wonder your God was referred to by the Gnostics of old as the DEMIURGE.

MaxInDHouse:
The word we want to know it's meaning is "SUPREME" which means the highest or greatest in achieving anything.

But when we now digress to all powerful then we must ask ourselves this simple question:

What has anyone done in history that we can think of a higher record breaker?

Power is the ability to do work, influence or control.
So when we now talk of all-powerful there's no need going into what nobody has done before rather we only need to talk about what anyone has achieved with his or her power in the past then think of a higher record breaker. That's all.

Presumptuously adding what has not been done before shows we're not ready to find out what we need which is the meaning of the word "ALL POWERFUL" or "ALMIGHTY"
What has anyone achieved in the past with his or her might?
And has anyone broken the record?
Anyone able to break such record is the almighty (supreme) for now until another higher achiever suffice!

Do you mean there is a possibility that something or someone is actually greater than your God?

Do you mean your God is not all powerful?

If yes, then we both agree that your God is not omnipotent.

And if he is not omnipotent, then he can't be the Supreme Being as you said.

MaxInDHouse:
If you check your dictionary's definition it limited the word to what i posted earlier the omnipotence is not the main definition but related!

What do you mean here?

Didn't you see the denefinition of the word "omnipotent"?

What is the difference between the word "omnipotent" and the word "omnipotence" ?

MaxInDHouse:
If you check your dictionary's definition it limited the word to what i posted earlier the omnipotence is not the main definition but related!

So for someone to be supreme all he/she needs to do is being the highest achiever in all things!

Highest achiever in what sense?

Is your God all powerful?

If he is all powerful then his is omnipotent.

And if he is omnipotent, then he must also be omnipresent and omniscient.

I ask again, is your God all powerful?

MaxInDHouse:
It's either you agree with the definition of the word "SUPREME" as written in the dictionary or you write your own dictionary.



The dictionary never added Omniscient or Omnipresent here rather it's all about the one who is able to achieve the utmost!


So let's concentrate on that definition instead of misconstruing it all with presumptuous assumptions!

Acheive the utmost in what sense?

As the Supreme Being does he have all power?

If yes, do you know what does it mean to have all power?

Here is what my dictionary says -

Imka:
I have a Muslim brother, we are very close friends since childhood. At some point a few years ago everything about his life fell apart; marriage was about to crash, court cases, bankruptcy,police was looking for him everywhere due to failed deals, indebtedness etc. His wife in the midst of the challenges, mentioned to him a dua to recite. It seemed a silly idea at the time, but with nothing left to lose, he decided to recite the dua, not 9 or 900 times a day, but 19,000 times every day. He did this faithfully,every single day for not just that year, but every day since then, for the past 9 years. Now here is the miracle, he experienced deep personal transformation, a profound peace right from his inside, and suffice it to say that every single one of the problems he was facing simply and quickly melted away like butter under a hot knife. As a matter of fact everyone that had issues with him simply sort of forgot he even existed in this world. It didn't stop at that, one of the issues was that he was about to beevicted from his rented apartment, and was in court with his landlord, and someone just gifted him a beautiful 3 bedroom house. He was as jobless for some years afterwards,but when the job finally came, it came with 2 official vehicles, civil defence and police escorts, 2 official residences, and an array of economic ,social and financial opportunities in addition to the official remuneration package. This personal transformation of my friends life through the practice of consciousness engineering via the recitation of dua , made me to come to a deeper understanding of the properties and nature of our Human consciousness and how we are intimately linked to eachother. There is a saying: be the change you want to see in the world and a very important scripture from the holy bible states this:

For though we walk in the flesh, we are not waging war according to the flesh.
For the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh
but have divine power to destroy strongholds.
We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God,
and take every thought captive to obey Christ.
- 2 Corinthians 10:3-5


For some reason Christians in Nigeria and the world over seem to have been dumbed down and beat down, by diverse methods and techniques of the powers of darkness, to the extent that they have forgotten who they are and what they can do. There's no weapon formed against a true Christian that can ever prosper. Be it a financial, economic, biological, chemical, physical or diabolical weapon. Yet we are crying over the bokoharam, the bandits and Fulani herdsmen kidnappers and jihadist and every other form of vicious wickedness being visited upon us by those who hate us. They plough our backs and rape and pillage and destroy the very essence of our lives everyday and we are unable to take back one inch , we are unable to fight back and it appears that they are prevailing over us.

What legacy or future will we leave for our children? With our very fountain of knowledge so destroyed and broken?

If only 1 percent of the population of this country, all of this 1 percent must be true Christians, if 1 percent can come together, and agree to go into deep prayer and meditation, on a daily basis, for a few hours every day, even for the remaining month's of this year, or for a year period, and meditate and pray so deeply and fervently, for peace, for compassion, for the healing, of this land Nigeria, for the awakening of those who are in slumber and the captivity of those who use their consciousness deliberately to do evil, this 1 percent will transform this country for good.

If this can really happen, everybody will understand the power of their mind.

People will understand their connection to an infinite power which is the source of everything which could lead to us attaining a new golden age just like Great Africa of old.

MaxInDHouse:
According to His letter to mankind called "Bible" He had the power to be but He chose not to due to some reasons explained in that book so He is not Omnipresent!

So how can he be the Supreme Being if he is not Omnipresent?

Or do you not know that the greatest height of any power, I am talking about Infinite Power is its ability to be everywhere at once and to see everything at once?

So how can your God be the Supreme Being if he is neither omnipresent nor omniscient?

Kobojunkie:
Strengthen the law so that not a single one of those who engages in such nefarious acts skated by the law.

Exactly.

But we must reform their minds to a better way of thinking inseatd of locking them in jail and throwing away the keys.

Prisons are also called "Correctional Facilities" but in reality, they never do it correctly.

MaxInDHouse:
The supreme being is JEHOVAH (YAHWEH)

How do we define SUPREME?

According to the dictionary:

Dominant, having power over all others.
Greatest, most excellent, extreme, most superior, highest, or utmost. supreme disgust; supreme courage. Situated at the highest part or point.

So when talking about the one who is supreme the only way to define such a person is His or Her ability to achieve what the majority are longing for.
For instance if what everyone wants is power to dominate, the one who proves to be the most powerful becomes supreme. And at a point in time when everyone is yearning for peace the one who is able to achieve it within His or Her own subjects is the supreme!

Interesting!

So is this Supreme Being everywhere at once?

I mean is he omnipresent?

MaxInDHouse:
the title "GOD" connotes SUPREME BEING and there's no sense in believing in a supreme being in the absence of ORDERLINESS!

Who is this Supreme Being you speak about?

Is it Jehovah/Yaweh?

If yes, what are the attributes that makes him the Supreme Being?

Funny thing is you cannot rewrite history.

I am not a Muslim but we must tell the truth when it comes to talking about -

christainslove:
God is the God of Isreal...

Plus,Islam was spread through war which shows Allah is not the true God.

Go and read the old testament.

The God you worship, Yahweh the God of Isreal, took his people through the wilderness for 40 years fighting and taking over the land of others.

Your God told his people to kill babies, rape women, kill non virgins, the list is endless.

Your God loves war.

What about in not so distant his history?

The version of Christianity is you practice has its source from the Catholic Church or the Vatican because they put together the 66 books of the bible.

Looking into history the Catholic church is also guilty of the Crusade wars, killing women by calling them witches, killing bright minded scientists and bringing upon Europe the Dark Ages.

So please do not point fingers at Islam alone.

Your religion is just as guilty.

The Muslims are just at their prime and their conquests are recent.

Go and study your Bible and history to understand that there is no difference.

The God of Isreal you worship, loves war just as Allah of the Muslims loves war too.

It is important to understand your enemy in the fullest details, as this will keep you better prepared to defeat that enemy.

And to understand an enemy we must understand it's power.

Religion is dangerously powerful and we must admit this.

I still remember around 2015 when I was in the university, the religion I was practicing held a powerful grip on my mind.

It got to a point that I told of one of the Elders in my church that I feel like it would be much better for me to give all my time to becoming a "better Christian" - which in reality meant spending hours to preach and spread the "goodnews" of my church at the expense of my studies in the university.

Now don't get me wrong, there is nothing bad in becoming a "better Christian", which in reality might mean a different thing to you depending on the religion you practice.

My results suffered that semester and due to some other unique circumstances, I had to focus more on my studies.

The experience I shared with you above, is a perfect example of how powerful religion can become.

Religion in my own understanding, is highly dependent on dogmas or doctrines.

These doctrines are only a version of an interpretation seen through the eyes of the religion or church doing the interpretation.

Which means for religions like these, there is a clergy-like rank that puts itself up as a channel, prophet or spokesman for GOD.

These religious leaders or interpretators Lord it over the rest of the people and refuse to let them know that in reality, we all have direct access to God.

We don't need any man in between, after all as a Christian you understand that Jesus didn't die for only some group of people, he died for EVERYONE.

But I digress - please note that when I say God, this also means that our definitions might defer.

At this stage of my metamorphosis through personal research and study of ancient history, I understand "God" to be the Infinite Mind behind the entire Cosmos - the source of all things that is everywhere at once.

Since it is every where at once, it therefore means each man and woman is only but a direct image of this infinite mind.

Our concious mind is only but a direct image of this infinite mind and the way we interact with this infinite mind is by THINKING.

Therefore we all agree that God or this "infinite mind" lives in each and every one of us.

We can boldly say that "the sprit of God" lives in each and every one of us.

Imagine my joy the day I realized that this means I have direct access to God!

Since then, I ditched the religion I was practicing.

Why did I ditch them?

All of their doctrines are built on the foundation that there are 8 old guys in New York City who are the "only channel of communication" to God.

They taught me that that only they were the "sons of God" and had the right to tell me what to do so to please God and become a "better Christian".

What makes it worse is that this religion understands the power of religion over the human mind.

They understand the power of consistent indoctrination as the best way to imprint a doctrine or interpretation into the subconscious mind of the rank and file church member.

That is why every Sunday for an hour, we used to have a Question and Answer session where we studied a church journal that is filled to the brim with the doctrines and interpretations of this religion.

When you do something over and over again , it becomes your second nature.

This is how addiction works and it is on this premise that religious doctrines are imprinted into our minds.

Those doctrines I was learning was not helping me realise that in reality, I didn't need those 8 old guys in New York city to find God.

He lives in each and everyone of us!

That is why I say that religion is very powerful.

That is it folks!

Have a great Sunday!

You are completely right OP, people need to be shown a better way.

From my personal observation, I have realized that these vices like Yahoo-Yahoo and Prostitution are being fueled by that inborn desire to get rich and make money to enjoy the good things of life.

Everybody shares this powerful inborn desire to make more money, to grow, to expand and to have enough resources to eat, drink, travel the world, and be merry.

Desire is power seeking manifestation.

What can we do to salvage this serious situation? - show them a better way.

We need to help them understand that they can make money and become bastardly rich without stealing other people's money and without sleeping with countless men or women.

MaxInDHouse:
You're correct!
Abundance for all not when someone is trying to acquire everything then expecting others to serve him like his slaves. Surely he will need to go extra mile to protect himself from the same people he has drained.
So surplus only makes sense when it's distributed evenly!

Good to see that we agree on something afterall.

How have you been?

How did the past week treat you?

Happy Sunday man.

MaxInDHouse:
This people are all atheists in disguise!
With their own hands they made their gods {Psalms 115:4} if you listen intelligently to him you will find out that everything in his head is all about material possessions so it's money that determines his what his god says so his god is nameless, worthless, hopeless, soundless, helpless and that's what he expected from all gods! Psalms 115:5-8

Is there anything wrong in thinking about money and wanting to be bastardly rich?

Nature itself is filled with ABUNDANCE - the fact that one seed can grow and multiply in thousands of seeds is proof of this.

Poverty is only an appearance.

The true reality is ABUNDANCE.

OnionBandit:
Majority in the Photoshop are sit-@-home urchins

Call it photoshop if it makes you sleep at night.

I was there live and direct.

What you see online doesn't even cover the entirety of people who came for the rally today.

Abi suffer no de tire you?

Climate change is real guys.

Did you know there was once a time when the Sahara was not a desert but lush green with vegetation?

Did you know that many many years ago, Antartica was not covered with ice but was lush with green vegetation?

Even major rivers in China are drying up too.

We need to listen to the warnings from mother earth and treat her with better respect.

Fake acting.

Odumeje should do better than this.

Real power doesn't show off.

Fake acting.

He should do better than this.

Real power doesn't show off.