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MaxInDHouse:You still didn't answer my question and yes there is DEFINITELY a better alternative to the JW cult, but it isn't exactly what you think it is. |
MaxInDHouse:So help me understand something - at bolded - - You guys are selling off kingdom halls and assembly halls in America and Europe to raise capital to "EQUALIZE" where it is needed? Why would you sell a kingdom hall and an assembly hall if people aren't leaving the organization in droves? Why were the kingdom halls and assembly halls built in the first place? Whenever i say "you guys aren't real JWs" it seems i'm joking but i purposely set a trap with that comment knowing fully well that one of you will rush in to criticize me.Lol. Head Prefect of Jehovah's Witnesses. Now learn what you never knew all your wasted life among God's people!Thank you for admitting to the fact that being a member of your cult is a waste of one's life. Thank you for this wonderful admittance. God's active force doesn't speak in a literal sense rather it speaks through the Bible (God's word)Lol. Too much explanation to cover up a blunder. How can an "active force" speak to you? How can an "active force" direct you? Are these not personality traits? You guys were never JWs for real because real JWs like me will surely ask all these questions to know why Jesus personalized God's Holy Spirit when God's organization said it's just His active force.Head Prefect who knows "real JWs". At Bolded, are you saying your organization knows better than Jesus? I thought Jesus selected you guys in 1919, how come you are saying something different what he said? But it's obvious you people only attend the meetings as kids following your parents not after many years you later began doing what you should have done from the onset.Lol. Head Prefect of the Jehovah Witnesses. Well, you're right at Bolded. I was once like you - blind, indoctrinated and fanatical. I never knew I was giving my time and life to a satanic cult. I never knew the organization was a member of the united nations (the scarlet colored wild beast) for more than 10 years I never knew the organization was protecting Child Sexual Abusers. I never knew the organization bought shares in companies that produced war machines. I never knew the organization bought shares in companies that produce cigarettes. I never knew that the organization prophesied the world would end in 1914 and 1975 and it didn't happen. I never knew that in 1925, the president of the organization - Rutherford prophesied that Abraham, Moses and other patriachs would be resurrected and that he bought a million dollar mansion called Beth Sarim to house them. I never knew that as a JW, christ didn't die for me, but only the 144,000, which meant that I wasn't a child of God. I never knew Charles Taze Russell the founder of the organization was a 33rd degree Mason. I never knew the true identity of your god Jehovah - I never knew he is the same person as ENLIL, Molooch, Baal and Yaladaboth. To top it all off, I never knew that your god Jehovah is neither omnipotent, omnipresent nor omniscient. So you're right Max, I knew nothing about the true history of the JW Cult I was a member of for many many years. I was blind, indoctrinated and fanatical, just like you are right now. |
MaxInDHouse:Why sell kingdom halls in "poor countries"? How much is a kingdom hall worth in these "poor countries"? A wise real estate investor won't sell off property that won't bring profit. After all, it is in these poor countries that your numbers are fairly strong, so go figure. Before now God's organization often sell our publications including Bibles not until God's Holy Spirit told us to start giving it out freely.This is a bold faced LIE. The Watchtower stopped selling their literature because that would mean they'd start paying taxes. Go do your research and verify this information. At bolded, I thought the Holy Spirit is just an active force, how come it "spoke" to you guys? Does this mean your Holy Spirit is has a personality and thus it "speaks"? |
The earlier you all realize that Watchtower is a more of a buisness than a religion, the better for you to see through the smoke screen. They currently have three very viable businesses - 1. Real Estate, 2. Book publishing, and of recent, 3. Movie production (by renting out their million dollar studio) The selling of Kingdom Halls, Assembly halls, etc might be for a couple of reasons: 1. To raise money to settle court cases of Child Sexual Abuse, 2. Because their numbers are dwindling, or 3. Most likely to simply ramp up the profits. The Watchtower is eventually going to become a full online church more like what Televangelists have been doing for many years now. Why attend a kingdom hall when you can simply join in via Zoom? Also, with the construction of their million dollar movie studio at Ramapo, they might eventually setup an online streaming service like Netflix where they showcase "Bible based" dramas. The future is going to quite interesting. Fingers crossed. |
achorladey:Their greatest enemy are their own publications. Touche. |
OgaNightmare:Wait a minute. Watchtower actually sent a letter to the Grebber foundation asking for his esoteric books?! God's only direct channel in dah mud. Wow! |
MaxInDHouse:Hahahahahaha Leave semantics for English professors. So your God told you to be in anticipation and it is because of this "anticipation" that your organization predicted false prophecies that didn't come true? So you are now blaming your God for your false prophecies. Your God must love deceiving you guys cos in your "anticipation", you have made false prophecies not once, not twice and not even thrice, but on more than four different occasions. Interesting. |
MaxInDHouse:This still doesn't answer my question. I wasn't talking about the Dark Ages. You spoke about anointed JWs who are the true Born Again Christians who in your own words "will be transformed immediately they died to go and join their brothers in Heaven" Is this not the the same teaching as the RAPTURE? Well Jesus Christ returned in the year 1914 to take away the BORN AGAIN Christians who are sleeping in death {1Thessalonians 4:16} then the rest of them will be transformed immediately they died to go and join their brothers in heaven {1Thessalonians 4:17} then Jesus began visiting all the religious groups claiming Christians that year but none was teaching what Jesus laid down. After his thorough search he found a group known as the International Bible Students Association (IBSA) this group has been making research to know where the churches of Christendom went wrong, Jesus began using God's Holy Spirit to direct this group and from that year this group kept making amendments in their beliefs. Jesus knew that we are imperfect humans so himself and his father aren't looking for perfection but willingness to admit mistakes and that's what the JWs are doing till today!Lol Willingness to admit mistakes? Interesting. How can you simply call false prophecies "mistakes"? False prophecy #1 - the world will end on 1914 False prophecy #2 - the world will end in 1925 False prophecy #3 - Abraham, Moses and other patriarchs will resurrect in 1929 False prophecy #4 - the world will end in 1975 I can go on and on. Are these simply just "MISTAKES"? |
MaxInDHouse: Well Jesus Christ returned in the year 1914 to take away the BORN AGAIN Christians who are sleeping in death {1Thessalonians 4:16} then the rest of them will be transformed immediately they died to go and join their brothers in heaven {1Thessalonians 4:17} then Jesus began visiting all the religious groups claiming Christians that year but none was teaching what Jesus laid down. After his thorough search he found a group known as the International Bible Students Association (IBSA) this group has been making research to know where the churches of Christendom went wrong, Jesus began using God's Holy Spirit to direct this group and from that year this group kept making amendments in their beliefs.Lol. Oga doesn't even know the history of his own organization. I thought you guys predicted the world would end in 1914? Didn't Jesus return in 1919 before he choosed your organization as the one true Religious CULT? @bolded when you say "transformed immediately" isn't that the same teaching as the rapture as taught by other "religionists" - in your words? After 17 years of their continuous amendments (1931) without let up despite criticism from other religions including members leaving the group to either join or form another group God began calling this unique group of faithful researchers by another name: JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Isaiah 65:15Lol. He calls it "continuous amendments". Like when in 1925 you guys predicted the end of the world and in 1929 you guys also predicted that Moses, Abraham and the other patriarchs would come back to life and live in the million dollar Beth - Sarim House of Princes Mansion? If you want to go down the route of history, stop hiding the facts and lay it all bare. No need white washing the history of your CULT. Capeesh?
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jesusjnr2020:No I don't. Kindly expantiate. Who are the "you guys" that you refer to? |
jesusjnr2020:Lol Why would it trouble me? It's quite sad seeing a grown man like you giving his mind and focus to forces outside himself. Look within! By the way, @bolded, who are you referring to? |
jesusjnr2020:Lol. Anything to hit Frontpage on Nairaland. Where does the word "Amen" truly come from? Are you sure you are not indirectly giving praises to the hidden Sun God of ancient Egypt - Amen Rah aka Marduk? |
Courz:You're welcome bro. |
MaxInDHouse:Lol. I can't believe you are still on this goose chase. You still haven't shown verifiable proof that Courz and Oteneaaron are one and the same person. Both accounts including Temlee333 never preached to anyone about God on this forum, all they do is criticism here and there.At bolded. Preach about which God to be precise? Your Jehovah aka Yahweh aka Yaldaboath aka ENLIL? Please be precise. |
Courz:The online library is called Library Genesis - - Go to - Gen -dot- lib - dot- rus (I added the "dot" to avoid a ban by NL spam bots)
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Courz:Very well. Here are a few books you can start with: 1. When the World was Black Volume 1 and 2 by Supreme Understanding - This book is an encyclopedia that traces the history of the black civilization, and teaches you how Africa gave the world EVERYTHING it has ever known. 2. The African Origin of Civilization by Cheikh Anta Diop - This book also traces the history of the black civilization and teaches you how we - Africans, gave the world EVERYTHING it has ever known - including religion, science and philosophy. 3. Escaping From Eden by Paul Wallis - This book looks critically at the story of the creation of Man as recorded by the ancients tablets found at Ancient Sumeria and Mesopotamia. The story of creation from ancient Sumeria predates what we have in the bible by tens of thousands of years. 4. The Lost Book of Enki by Zechariah Stichin - This book is a translation of one of the Ancient tablets found in ancient Sumeria, it is reported that this translation was authored by Enki himself. It is quite an eye opener and gives more details to many the summarized stories as seen in the bible and myths from ancient Egypt, Sumeria, and India. In this book, you will learn that the first Man - the Adam was initially from Southern Africa - even archeology supports this claim as every human on earth today can trace their origins to Southern Africa. I have more to recommend, but you can start with the above books. It's quite a journey, but you won't regret it. If you are finding it hard to find these books online, let me know. There is an online library where I get ALL my books free of charge. It is only on a few occasions that I have to buy a book on Amazon or pay for an audio book on audible. I wish you all the best in your research study of the above books. Also, if you would like us to be study buddies, kindly let me know. Cheers!! |
Courz:Bro, if only you did some research into ancient history, you wouldn't be surprised as to your findings. Go and read the Enuma Elish, the Atrahasis, the Epic of Gilgamesh, the Legend of Itana and the Lost book of Enki - just to name a few. You will find out that the stories found in the Bible especially from the Garden of Eden right before the flood, are just a summary of what really went down on earth hundreds of thousands of years ago. According to the ancient Sumerians Tablets, there are a group of extraterrestrials called the Annunaki - who are also known as the ELOHIM or the Shinning Ones. Their defacto leader is known as ENLIL, who is the same as Yahweh or Jehovah (in Hebrew), Zeus (in Greece) and Jupiter (in Rome). ENLIL's son Ninurta, is actually the deity known as Allah. Yahwehs step brother is known is ENKI, who is also known as Adonai (The Lord), Ptah (in Egypt) and Posiedon (in Greece). One of the sons of ENKI is the popular Marduk. Marduk was known in Egypt as Amen/Amun Rah - which is where we got the word "Amen" from - when you pray and end with "Amen", you're actually praising Marduk. It's really crazy what our minds have been conditioned to believe all through the years from one generation to another. It's all a very BIG conspiracy and a rape on our true history as a species. Why do think ancient historical sites like the library of Alexandria were either destroyed or burnt down? What secrets about our history do you think the Vatican is hiding deep below in their secret archives? If you're interested, I have a couple of ancient history books I can recommend to you, it'd help you uncover this grand conspiracy. Religion is just a tool used to keep us docile and from asking the right questions. |
SeniorMan715:Interesting. So this is the TRUTH that Athiests are not seeking for. Before we critically analyze the account of creation as recorded in the Bible, I would like to ask - Who is this SUPREME BEING you speak about? Is he the God of the Bible aka Jehovah? |
SeniorMan715:Interesting submission OP. If I may ask, what is this TRUTH you speak about? I guess we can start from there. |
Lawag3:Well, it isn't actually the "most historically accurate" book in the world. For example, did you know that the story of Exodus didn't happen in actual history? There is NO RECORD in Egyptian history of a time when the Jews were enslaved for 400 years, nor is there any record of the "10 plagues" in Egyptian history. Don't forget that the Egyptians were meticulous record keepers - they kept so much records of their life and history to the extent that a field of study was established just to study their history - this field of study is called Egyptology. Even the flood of Noah is not an originsl story but is only a cheap copy of the flood story from ancient Sumeria. I can go on and on, but you can do some research to verify the two examples I mentioned above. |
SucideIsreal:I can only imagine what you are going thru. So sorry for your experience. There is no need to blame anybody. Nobody owes you and nobody is holding you back too. What kind of help are you looking for? |
Dtruthspeaker:Lol. I must be very important. I've had over five mentions from you within the last 20 minutes. Like I have said for the third time now, you can create as many threads as you want to. Right now, don't have the strength for any fruitless debate - when I do, you'd be the first to know. Until then, keep doing what you know how to do best. |
Dtruthspeaker:Lol. I am not running from anything. Like I said, you can create as many threads as you want to. I don't have the strength for any fruitless debate. |
Dtruthspeaker:Lol. Create any number of threads as much as you want to. Personally, I have no strength for any fruitless debate. Athiests are the cause of all the problems in the world today. Happy now?
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Dtruthspeaker:Since you decided to quote me, why didn't you quote the whole thread for people to read? Why quoting me out of context? As humans, we have laws that govern the land and if you kill someone, you will obviously get killed too. But we are talking about your "God" who is supposed to be ALL POWERFUL - why can't he in all his greatness, simply change the mind of these murderers, thieves and terrorists without killing them? When we study the Bible, we see that your "God" ordered the killing and maiming of MILLIONS of women, virgins and children- or were these people murderers, thieves and terrorists too? The murderers, terrorists and the theives you speak about, are they atheists too? Have we not seen that it is your fellow worshipers who commit the worse crimes? Who ordered the Great crusade? Who ordered the burning to death of scientists and so-called witches during the dark ages? Who ordered that the genocide on the amalekites? Was it not your "God"? Like I have said many times, your "God" is bloodthirsty and thrives on death and destruction. |
SeniorMan715:Yes it does make it authentic. Every baptized Jehovah's Witness has a personal file tracking their activities at the local headquarters of each country. You can go to the Bethel HQ at Igeiduma in Edo state to confirm the circuit number and the name of the circuit overseer. Go and verify. |
MaxInDHouse:Lol. When he cannot read to understand, he calls them stories. Keep waiting for a better deity and continue ignoring the Infinite Mind that lives within you. It is your greatest undoing. |
MaxInDHouse:You keep searching for something that is outside yourself. Look within! The Infinite Mind behind the entire cosmos is omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient. This infinite mind is omnipresent and therefore exists in each and every one of us, even you. But you keep looking outwards, to something outside yourself and this is your greatest undoing. True, your "God" claims to be holy, but when we study the old testament, we see that his hands are stained with the blood of millions of women and children that he has killed either directly or by proxy. Your "God" is blood thirsty and loves violence, is that what been "holy" really means? But the stage is set already if you know of any god that's better than JEHOVAH or a better performing organization than His Witnesses!Your "God" is neither omnipotent, omnipresent nor omniscient -so go figure! Following the BITE model, it has been proven that your organization is in reality, a high control cult. So if you are asking me for a better performing cult than your organization, there are countless examples - Check out the Mormons, check out the Scientologists, check out the Heavens gate cult and their Kool aid. |
Courz:That is exactly why MaxInDHouse has on many occasions mentioned that the "God" they worship, Jehovah is neither Omniscient, Omnipresent nor Omnipotent. https://www.nairaland.com/7295242/omniscient-omnipotent-omnipresent-how-true He is the DEMIURGE, also known as Yaldaboath and ENLIL in ancient Sumeria. He is not the infinite mind behind the entire cosmos. |
Dtruthspeaker:I don't understand you. What are you giving back with interest? Can you explain? This is what one who calls me brother from the same country is doing to one of my neighboursThese people you mentioned above, are they Atheists? Because experience has shown that many of these people you mentioned, are staunch worshipers of your "God". True, there are many people who have decided to live a life of crime, but it doesn't change the fact that you are human, just as they are. Does all power full mean void of emotions?When you say "you people" who exactly are you referring to? Why will killing and maiming people be the only solution? Been all powerful should mean exactly what it is - ALL POWER With ultimate power, your "God" should be able to solve issues without any bloodshed. What is the use of all power when you cannot control your emotions? What is the use of all power when you cannot solve a problem with fighting, killing and maiming? Why is your "God" so hell bent on destruction? Is that his true nature? IT IS EVEN RATHER THAT HE TAKES TOO MUCH TIME GIVE JUST-IS, eg it was after 400 years that God started punishing Egypt which lasted another 30 years and we see He used cosmos, hail stones, the sea, the insects, the waters, reptiles etc.It is so unfortunate that you are not a student of ancient history. Do you think the story of the Jews been held as slaves in Egpyt has any historical proof? I hope you don't take the Bible as LITERAL HISTORY. Go and study the ancient history of Egypt - there is no record of any Jews been held captive as slaves. Instead, there is the story of King Akhenathen who first brought monotheism to Egypt and destroyed all the temples of the old gods. He was later disgraced and chased out of Egypt - this is where the Bible got the story of the exodus. Don't forget that Egypt was originally known as the land of Khem (black land or land of the blacks) and is located in AFRICA. I wonder how your ancestors would feel seeing you taking the sides of foreigners and discarding your ancient history as an African. "Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil."Your understanding of "evil" sounds flawed. How about your "God" who sent his people to kill virgins, kill babies, forcibly take over people's lands, and sponsor the great crusade? Are those acts of your "God" and "his people" not "evil" acts in themselves? Why would an all powerful "God" stick to killing and maiming, when there are better ways of solving issues? Why does your "God" love destruction? |
Dtruthspeaker:How do you define EVIL? What is your definition of GOOD? And that is why I hate you people and I can't wait for you all to be carried away to the eat the suffering and pains you cause. And I love the fact that God gives you people plenty of life so that when you do not repent/cannot repent) your punishment will also last a lifetime, as Is The Law.Well, I don't hate you. Beyond religion, you and I are brothers from the same country, the same continent, the same planet, the same solar system and from the same galaxy. Why would I hate you? When you want to understand a man, look at the "God" he worships. You hate your fellow man, an African like you because you are blinded by a religion which pays allegiance to the blood thirsty war God known as Jehovah. You expect that a Person Who gave you eyes, would not be able to see or that He Who gave you feelings, will not also feel.I still ask again, how do you define EVIL? You keep giving human feelings and emotions to your "God", yet you claim he is all powerful, all knowing and is everywhere at the same time. The "God" you worship, from your own words is blood thirsty and is willing to kill, maim and destroy, just to "prove a point" From your own words, it is clear to see that the "God" you worship CANNOT be the infinite mind behind the entire cosmos, because if he were, he wouldn't be so quick to kill, maim and destroy. |
Dtruthspeaker:Wow. So you mean to tell me, Atheists are so powerful that they would cause such catastrophe and your "God" couldn't do anything about it? All these just proves why we always Need God. Even the very air we breathe can kill us if and when God removes His Hand from our lives.You describe your "God" as some kind of vindictive blood thirsty monster. Oh wait, he really is a blood thirsty monster - the old testament is pure proof of this. You people have finished this country. And the dying and crying and lamenting has only just begun.Which people? Instead of using your mind to think up solutions to issues, you have decided to lay blames to powers outside yourself. And as you can see, every country is on their own now, No Help is coming as happened to Babylon, Sumeria, Philistine etcWhat do you know about the true events of Babylon, Sumeria and Philistine? Why are you looking for help? I thought "heaven helps those who help themselves"? |
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